Re: Microchips
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:42 PM 4/20/2005, you wrote: This message is from: Lisa Wiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had to call Avid today to order chips for my puppies. I asked him about my mare and he said if she was chipped it would be with a chip that has a fifteen digit number. He said it is a different frequency than the scanner I have and mine would not show anything. Is the scanner that the fjord registry lends out one that reads a fifteen digit number? No it isn't the Destron chips are 10 digit alpha numeric. They are actually hex code numbers. The Avid chips are 9 digits. The ISO chips are the 15 digit ones. We do have a reader for the ISO chips for horses imported from Europe but unless your horse is an imported one it is doubtful that it would have an ISO chip in it. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: microchips
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:36 AM 6/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Nancy Newport [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the nice message Nancy. I will forward it to the BOD for you. The BOD does a lot for the members and don't get a whole lot of thanks for it really. The time is coming to elect the new members for next year. If anyone is interested please let me know I will get your name to the right people. Mike Hi Mike, I will microchip all mine, and think at some point we should require it (make it a package with the DNA test for all foals who will be registered), but as to when, I'll leave that up to the board. This breed registry has done a great job (compared to other registries) of policing the breed so that it improves and doesn't become a casualty of indiscriminate breeding. The registry can also encourage responsible ownership. I think that a micro chip does more good than inconvenience for owners and horses. Just the fact that a horse is chipped makes it a little easier down the line when that horse perhaps falls into poor circumstances and is discovered unknown as has happened on the list several times recently. Those caring folks who find an unknown Fjord and pick it up usually want to know it's history - I know I would. I think our registry is somewhat under pressure to set standards for Fjords in the US if not North America, so I look to the board to think ahead years down the road and try to determine if the policies it sets will be beneficial to our horses. I have not had Fjords long enough to see the big picture, but have confidence in the folks in our registry to hash it out and make good decisions. JMHO, Nancy Newport Gainesville, Florida Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: microchips
This message is from: Nancy Newport [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, I will microchip all mine, and think at some point we should require it (make it a package with the DNA test for all foals who will be registered), but as to when, I'll leave that up to the board. This breed registry has done a great job (compared to other registries) of policing the breed so that it improves and doesn't become a casualty of indiscriminate breeding. The registry can also encourage responsible ownership. I think that a micro chip does more good than inconvenience for owners and horses. Just the fact that a horse is chipped makes it a little easier down the line when that horse perhaps falls into poor circumstances and is discovered unknown as has happened on the list several times recently. Those caring folks who find an unknown Fjord and pick it up usually want to know it's history - I know I would. I think our registry is somewhat under pressure to set standards for Fjords in the US if not North America, so I look to the board to think ahead years down the road and try to determine if the policies it sets will be beneficial to our horses. I have not had Fjords long enough to see the big picture, but have confidence in the folks in our registry to hash it out and make good decisions. JMHO, Nancy Newport Gainesville, Florida Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/12/00 6:00:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great idea - but what would you do with a horse that HAS no chestnuts? None? Nowhere? How about the ergots? I don't really think they shed the whole thing, though you know about peeling them off not one of my favorite jobs, but oh well Maybe he's got teeny tiny ones. I don't know. Something I've never heard of, but anything is possible on this earth. Pamela
Re: Microchips
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, you've gotta think outside the box for this one. You go to the local auctions, people ARE handling the horses. A quick swipe with an alcohol swab, and then a quick ink stamp and voila. Great idea - but what would you do with a horse that HAS no chestnuts? While brushing Sindar yesterday prior to the farrier's visit, I noticed that he has NO chestnuts anywhere. And, no, it's not because they are lost in his winter coat - the farrier checked too and could not find any. Possibly some horses periodically shed their chestnuts? Which would also make it difficult to identify those horses until their chestnuts grew in again. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still doubt the ultimate accuracy of this method. Unlike fingerprints, the surface of the chestnut is constantly being renewed, so only the outline is valid data. Given that, I can see where a racehorse or showhorse could be identified by it, you already know who you think it is, and this can confirm it. But it seems hard to believe that an unknown animal could be identified this way, without prior knowledge of it's identity, as the outline alone conveys a limited amount of data, and very slight differences would cause a match to go false positive or negative. Maybe if you could spam a basic description of a stolen horse AND his outline to all possible sale sites and slaughterhouses immediately, there could be a chance, but that's about the limit. I still say the BEST way is to make the crime so serious, like a bias incident crime, that no sane thief is going to risk 10-20 years without parole to make a few hundred dollars. And maybe a provision allowing direct use of deadly force (shoot the bastard) to stop a horse theft. Merek
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/11/00 3:02:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How could you get an accurate read on a muddy, jumpy, scared horse in a group of dozens, aduquate to make an accurate comparison? And compare to WHAT? A book with thousands of images of them? Be like matching fingerprints the old way, and the horse would have a bullet between the eyes long before it was determined he had been stolen Merek, you've gotta think outside the box for this one. You go to the local auctions, people ARE handling the horses. A quick swipe with an alcohol swab, and then a quick ink stamp and voila. IF there were a computer program (which wouldn't be all that hard to set up actually) that auction houses and slaughterhouses used, and if it were mandatory to print the horses it would be very swift and accurate. The problem is not that it would be a tough program to set up and implement. The problem is changing people's thinking and doing things to benefit not just the horse, but the worried horse owner whose precious horse has been stolen and sold for dogfood. It can be done, it doesn't take rocket science, and it really wouldn't take longer than a couple minutes to do. NOT that I'm expecting it to happen, but it just seems to be a good, accurate way of horse identifying with very little muss or fuss. Pamela
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to me the chestnut method of verification would be useless in a slaughterhouse environment. How could you get an accurate read on a muddy, jumpy, scared horse in a group of dozens, aduquate to make an accurate comparison? And compare to WHAT? A book with thousands of images of them? Be like matching fingerprints the old way, and the horse would have a bullet between the eyes long before it was determined he had been stolen. The chip seems the only logical way, other than a brand. Merek
Re: Microchips
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] pamela, sounds like a good idea, but i bet there would be some weirdo out there who would start cutting off chestnuts or scarring them up in some way to foul up the system. there is always someone...denise
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/28/00 10:22:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There must be a better way for us to clearly identify pure bred fjords. Microchip identification is not the perfect answer in my opinion. How many of us have readers that will read all the different chips used in the last 12 years? My quess is none. What is the best form of long term identification?? Here's a rather odd idea that's been floating in my head for a couple years now. And it would work for ANY horse, not just a fjord. You know how the horse's chestnuts are like our fingerprints? I've often wondered why we don't have a system where we chestnut-print our horses. There is no muss, fuss, branding or microchipping. If we were all on the same page, any auctionhouse/ slaughterhouse would be able to print each horse, run the print through a computer and voila! It comes up loud and clear who the horse is, and more importantly, if it is stolen. I know it sounds off the wall, but really, it would be a very effective way to identify horses. Pamela Who gets my weird ideas during my stall cleaning time, when there is nothing really important to think about, so I design barns, come up with chestnut printing ideas, etc. :)
Re: Microchips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/28/00 9:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's a rather odd idea that's been floating in my head for a couple years now. And it would work for ANY horse, not just a fjord. You know how the horse's chestnuts are like our fingerprints? I've often wondered why we don't have a system where we chestnut-print our horses. There is no muss, fuss, branding or microchipping. If we were all on the same page, any auctionhouse/ slaughterhouse would be able to print each horse, run the print through a computer and voila! It comes up loud and clear who the horse is, and more importantly, if it is stolen. I think thits is already done in the racing industry. But who is going to take the time to try to clean the mud off, hold the condemned still, and try to get and compare a clear enough print to make an ID? The horses in a sluaghterhouse environment are killed so quickly that nobody working there is likely to take the time with this method, on the off chance that it is stolen. I still think the better approach is a mandatory 25 year jail term, no parole, for horse theft. How about the same for auto? Make a potential thief KNOW that the first time he is caught will likely be his last time as a rustler in his lifetime. And maybe allow owners to shoot to kill anyone caught in the process of stealing a horse, without fear of repercusions. Merek
