Re: [Foundation-l] [Internal-l] Wikiwomencamp Buenos Aires, Argentina May 23-25, 2012 (updates)
cross posting _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 24 March 2012 14:28, Siska Doviana siska.dovi...@wikimedia.or.id wrote: Apology for cross posting. Hello all, On behalf of the organizer, please be advised that WikiWomenCamp is up and rolling. Although participation page for those interested to come and would like to receive scholarship funding closed last Friday for international women (for Germany will be close next week, and Austrian participant is much more flexible) if you know any other participants willing to go (and doesn't need a scholarship) please be advised to fill out participation form in here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGU5MTNTY0VuWFhJZG1Oc3ZFc0Fub3c6MQ#gid=0 Up to date we have roughly 25 participants from all over the world. Exciting! For complete info please refer to this link in meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp Thank you, -- Siska Doviana | Ketua Umum (Chair) 2011-2012 Wikimedia Indonesia Cell. +62 816 484 5052 Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi ___ Internal-l mailing list interna...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books
Sure, that isn't the problem ;) go to USA is *so* cheap those days ;) I was actually about to go request the one from my old school, they should give the book to the only girl who read the full school library right? ;) (well, 80% but I left before graduate from High School, so I might had got the mark ;) ) _ * * *[image: Inline images 1]* *Béria Lima* * * * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.* *Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos** * ** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 14 March 2012 04:55, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 March 2012 05:16, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I will actually look for a copy of the 15th edition (for sentimental reasons) to buy before they get too rare and too expensive :D Of course I will miss it! If Britannica is gone we will need to start printing Wikipedia ;-) I see old sets of Britannica and other encyclopedias cheap on eBay. The catch is usually buyer must collect :-) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses: Britannica to stop printing books
My answers to Phoebe questions. (I tryed to keep it short to not create a lot of problems to read, if you need a bigger version you can ask me) :) *I've been asked to write a short editorial about this development from a Wikipedian's perspective and am curious about (and would love to include) other Wikimedian experiences -- did you use print encyclopedias as a kid? * Yes. My school had the 15th Edition of Britannicahttp://Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica#1974.E2.80.931994and I do remember I used them a lot to learn about pretty much everything... At some time I even developed the crazy idea of read the full colletion. I gave up in the middle of book 2, but still was a very fun thing to do ;) *Was a love of print encyclopedias part of your motivation or interest in becoming a Wikipedian? * I guess in part it was. I had the habit of start every single school project by looking into Britannica to get the basis for the job, and that is pretty much what leads me to Wikipedia (an paper on a subject Britannica doesn't had and I was forced to look online for it) *Is there any value in them still? Will you miss it?* I will actually look for a copy of the 15th edition (for sentimental reasons) to buy before they get too rare and too expensive :D Of course I will miss it! If Britannica is gone we will need to start printing Wikipedia ;-) _ * * *[image: Inline images 1]* *Béria Lima* * * * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.* *Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos** * ** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 14 March 2012 02:01, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:22 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I've been asked to write a short editorial about this development from a Wikipedian's perspective and am curious about (and would love to include) other Wikimedian experiences -- did you use print encyclopedias as a kid? I loved encyclopedias as a kid. My parents had a study hour for my sister and myself every school night to work on homework or, if that was do, do something educational. I would do my homework early to spend the hour before bed reading our copy of World Book. Was a love of print encyclopedias part of your motivation or interest in becoming a Wikipedian? It was my ability to edit it or complain, really. I registered my account on the English Wikipedia in 2005 after fixing typos here and there for a couple years in order to complain about the Main Page Featured Article, History of Alaska. The article was all messed up from an ill-formatted edit, and I wanted to bring it to attention. I figured it's only fair to have an account to complain. Since then I've been working on support an maintenance to help the content others create. I'm not an article writer, so a fantastic feature of Wikipedia is that there are ways to contribute if this is not your talent. The fundamental difference between this and my beloved paper encyclopedias was that you couldn't ask questions or fix something that was wrong. Those companies would issue an annual update and corrections, but that's a little too late. Placing the encyclopedia in the hands of the wiki format was a brilliant move by Larry Sanger, it gave the encyclopedia geek white-out and a pen. Is there any value in them still? Will you miss it? I will miss it in the way that mine and previous generations value the touch, weight, and volume of books. It's a lot more comprehensible to appreciate the work it takes in writing an encyclopedia when 32 volumes are dwarfed by what you can create with space on the web. You can't physically measure the work put into the words. But I weigh it out to future generations not having this appreciate and just feel old when I imagine myself making this speech in the future to my kid(s). -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Chapter Selected Board Seats - Time for questions
Hello people, So after receive authorization from all candidates, the list of candidates + statements are in meta, and you can find it here: http':// meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Candidates Until 14 March is time for questions, so if you have any questions to any of the candidates, please put your question in this page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Candidates/Questions(there are already some questions and some answers there) So there is only one thing. Candidates are not forced to answer, and even if they do, they're not forced to answer in public, so might happens that some answers won't go to meta. If you ask a question and the candidate don't want to make the answer public, I will send you a mail with the answer - but of course, you can't leak the answer anywhere. Also do keep in mind this isn't a community vote. We are trying to keep as public as we can, but the discussions the chapters will have will be private. So don't expect me to post those in meta. _ * * *[image: Inline images 1]* *Béria Lima* * * * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.* *Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos** * ** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
No I will not apologize for act according with my culture. If Mister de Vreede has a problem with people from different cultures he shouldn't be part of a international movement. (And besides if someone would complain about misspelling, the Russians, Arabs, Japanese and Indians should be the ones since no one here can even write their real names in the original languages) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 03:15, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.com wrote: Beria, You're behavior is simply unacceptable. Are you going to apologize to Jan-Bart or simply continue with your baseless justifications on why you are calling him this and not that? Abbas. Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:14:55 -0500 From: nawr...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained. Everyone in Brazil calls me B (yah, just the first letter) and here is VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast than to offend anyone. I can call him Mister de Vreede if you all find this ok, but that would be even more condescending (In my country we only threat people we really dislike by their last name). _ *Béria Lima* Jan-Bart and others have asked that you call him Jan-Bart. What part of that is confusing? You can ascribe your first error to different custom; continuing to ignore his wishes is simply arrogant and offensive, which of course I'm sure is not your intent. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program
You joking right? Our economy is better than UK one (or so they say), I don't even want to compare with Polish one :D _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:32, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: Don't you accept a brazilian from these hot lands of South America? hahahah ;p Greetings, _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:29:17 +0100 From: polime...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program Hi, Wikimedia Polska (Poland) has just launched its own scholarships programme for Wikimedians willing to attend Wikimania 2012 in Washington, D.C. This year, apart from up to 10 scholarships for Wikimedians from Poland, we are also going to grant up to 6 scholarships for Wikimedians from other countries. Only countries which have lower national income per capita than Poland (according to World Bank 2010 stats) are eligible. We are particularly willing to reach out to the Wikimedians from the former USSR countries (except Estonia, which doesn't meet the income criteria) and from the Balkans (except Greece and Slovenia, for the same reason). The scholarship covers travel and accommodation expenses, as well as conference fee. More details are available here: http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/en The closing date for applications is March 9. Regards, -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program
You mean 3 thousand right? Brazil: 9,390 Poland: 12,440 Source: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.CD _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:35, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: They're talking about per capita, which is like two hundred dollars below the polish one. Ai ai, Beria :P _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 From: berial...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:33:47 -0200 To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program You joking right? Our economy is better than UK one (or so they say), I don't even want to compare with Polish one :D _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:32, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: Don't you accept a brazilian from these hot lands of South America? hahahah ;p Greetings, _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:29:17 +0100 From: polime...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program Hi, Wikimedia Polska (Poland) has just launched its own scholarships programme for Wikimedians willing to attend Wikimania 2012 in Washington, D.C. This year, apart from up to 10 scholarships for Wikimedians from Poland, we are also going to grant up to 6 scholarships for Wikimedians from other countries. Only countries which have lower national income per capita than Poland (according to World Bank 2010 stats) are eligible. We are particularly willing to reach out to the Wikimedians from the former USSR countries (except Estonia, which doesn't meet the income criteria) and from the Balkans (except Greece and Slovenia, for the same reason). The scholarship covers travel and accommodation expenses, as well as conference fee. More details are available here: http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/en The closing date for applications is March 9. Regards, -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program
Actually I believe the Poles stole your vodka, Russavia, because yor GNI per capita is only 9,900 :P _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:42, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tomasz It also wouldn't include Russia by the looks of it, given that Russians are apparently 4 bottles of vodka a year richer than Poles ;) On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wikimedia Polska (Poland) has just launched its own scholarships programme for Wikimedians willing to attend Wikimania 2012 in Washington, D.C. This year, apart from up to 10 scholarships for Wikimedians from Poland, we are also going to grant up to 6 scholarships for Wikimedians from other countries. Only countries which have lower national income per capita than Poland (according to World Bank 2010 stats) are eligible. We are particularly willing to reach out to the Wikimedians from the former USSR countries (except Estonia, which doesn't meet the income criteria) and from the Balkans (except Greece and Slovenia, for the same reason). The scholarship covers travel and accommodation expenses, as well as conference fee. More details are available here: http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/en The closing date for applications is March 9. Regards, -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Polish Wikimania scholarship program
Bah, Wikipedia is the best thing in the world, the problem in this case is between the chair and the screen ;) You looking at the wrong place, the right one is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_%28nominal,_Atlas_method%29_per_capita And regarding Vodka, the only lesson is: Beware the Finns! ;D _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:54, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Beria, there are two lessons to be learnt here. 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita -- Wikipedia is obviously not to be used as a reliable source, especially for facetious comments. 2) Re: vodka - http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/429547_2604401508972_1222894747_32310964_1084040106_n.jpg On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I believe the Poles stole your vodka, Russavia, because yor GNI per capita is only 9,900 :P _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 16 February 2012 21:42, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tomasz It also wouldn't include Russia by the looks of it, given that Russians are apparently 4 bottles of vodka a year richer than Poles ;) On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wikimedia Polska (Poland) has just launched its own scholarships programme for Wikimedians willing to attend Wikimania 2012 in Washington, D.C. This year, apart from up to 10 scholarships for Wikimedians from Poland, we are also going to grant up to 6 scholarships for Wikimedians from other countries. Only countries which have lower national income per capita than Poland (according to World Bank 2010 stats) are eligible. We are particularly willing to reach out to the Wikimedians from the former USSR countries (except Estonia, which doesn't meet the income criteria) and from the Balkans (except Greece and Slovenia, for the same reason). The scholarship covers travel and accommodation expenses, as well as conference fee. More details are available here: http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/en The closing date for applications is March 9. Regards, -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose the way we are going to die? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org: It is clear to me that there is a close link between the fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of organising ourselves. I am also convinced that we Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally sceptical of extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history of MR since 2010 July, when it began. So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of discussion. Best Bishakha Then we would have a more substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. Kind regards Ziko -- --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ --- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will not put my faith in another great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded Committe. When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will have we can talk. Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have the data. ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any meaningless talk. _ *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.orgwrote: this would be called: too much drama There is no life and death situation for the chapters here. See my earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: I am going to die for weeks on end. In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to think in opportunities rather that not think at all. Jan-Bart On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote: Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose the way we are going to die? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org: It is clear to me that there is a close link between the fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of organising ourselves. I am also convinced that we Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally sceptical of extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history of MR since 2010 July, when it began. So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of discussion. Best Bishakha Then we would have a more substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. Kind regards Ziko -- --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ --- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
Jan Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you. Here we can't solve anything. _ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 16:01, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote: Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will not put my faith in another great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded Committe. Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you... When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will have we can talk. Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have the data. Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming years and send you the data around 2015 :) ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any meaningless talk. _ I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and foundation). Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times) Jan-Bart *Béria Lima* * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: this would be called: too much drama There is no life and death situation for the chapters here. See my earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: I am going to die for weeks on end. In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to think in opportunities rather that not think at all. Jan-Bart On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote: Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose the way we are going to die? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org: It is clear to me that there is a close link between the fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of organising ourselves. I am also convinced that we Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement. Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally sceptical of extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history of MR since 2010 July, when it began. So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of discussion. Best Bishakha Then we would have a more substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. Kind regards Ziko -- --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ --- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
Click in the tab History. You can see I already asked the question I've been questioning you and Jan there. sarcasmIf you can't do find a diff alone,/sarcasm I can help: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_affiliation_modelsdiff=3441324oldid=3441316 _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 16:33, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? Awaiting your and others' thoughts on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_affiliation_models#Questions Cheers Bishakha ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained. Everyone in Brazil calls me B (yah, just the first letter) and here is VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast than to offend anyone. I can call him Mister de Vreede if you all find this ok, but that would be even more condescending (In my country we only threat people we really dislike by their last name). _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 February 2012 23:09, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote: I had wanted to keep out of this, but this is the third or fourth time that Jan-Bart has been referred to as Jan. It was an understandable enough mistake to make the first time, but it's been pointed out enough now that that is no longer an excuse. We do not all have to be best of mates, but it is not unreasonable that we all should show some basic courtesy towards each other, and taking the time to get each other's names right would be a good start. If you feel that Jan-Bart is being condescending towards you, the best solution to that problem is not more condescension thrown back in the opposite direction. Cheers, Craig Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:07:23 -0200 From: B?ria Lima berial...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 Message-ID: caa2xhjag+ummrkskhe82hatxkocycxm_tsmkb6nmn36mkdj...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jan Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you. Here we can't solve anything. _ *B?ria Lima ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012
I agree with the idea to ask Chapters, but since the Board is pushing this to be read at 10 March. I have no freaking Idea why that date is so Important - I know you people don't wanna mess with my birthday the day before ;) - but we all can wait a bit more to do things rights, rather than do it in a rush. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 14 February 2012 11:48, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org: It is clear to me that there is a close link between the fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of organising ourselves. I am also convinced that we Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF board is taking up these discussions and opens them again. How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)? Then we would have a more substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals. Kind regards Ziko -- --- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ --- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links
Correct if I'm wrong (And i'm probably wrong) but that would work for every single site if approved, so why strike only Wikipedia? I would stop use internet altogether. :P _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 4 February 2012 13:46, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links See http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10448060-38.html ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links
3 months David. CheckUser data clear in 3 months. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 4 February 2012 14:22, dger...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I know our devs are not at all keen to keep personal data even sitting around - even checkuser data is cleared after six months, I think. What is the current policy? - d. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links
you mean, I'm correct, because I'm the one who said 3 months ;) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 4 February 2012 20:27, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data. As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data, will be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time. Thanks, pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Fred Bauder wrote: David Gerard wrote: 3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long? The exact time is confidential. Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556view=markup. From that file: --- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months --- The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revisionrevision=40847 . That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
MZ if you understand the process enough to create another page, I don't think you need my help. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 3 February 2012 21:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Béria Lima wrote: On 1 February 2012 21:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Béria Lima wrote: Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to elect the Chapter seats. Say that nobody knows is a bit offensive. SEVERAL pages on Meta-Wiki? It's a wonder they haven't been memorized by all members of the Wikimedia community. It's fair to say that there are resources available regarding chapter seats on Meta-Wiki (and provide links!); it isn't really fair to suggest that anyone be familiar with the tangled mess that is Meta-Wiki. I've been editing there for quite some time and I still regularly discover pages and processes (or get frustrated with not being able to find them and create my own). I've always found the chapter seats poorly explained and often misunderstood. If there are resources on Meta-Wiki (or even wikimediafoundation.org) that can clarify some of this to me and others, I'd certainly appreciate links. :-) See 1st message in this thread MZ. You're referring to these links (repeating links isn't a terrible thing to do, particularly in longer threads): * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Nominate Sorry, I was a bit unclear, but neither of these were really what I was looking for. I think both of those pages are messy, very internal, and difficult to understand. I started improving https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees to be what I was looking for. :-) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Hello, I will (try to) answer everyone - so I will send several mails in a row... please stick with me during the process. *Excellent; I am pleased to see that the chapters are becoming more transparent in this respect. However, if the plan is to mirror the discussion on Meta, why not just have it there in the first place?* Because not all the discussion will be in meta. Some parts are confidential and will not be disclose in Meta. I know you people might start scream: CABAL! but that is a chapters decision, not a community one. We do need to give them a safe space to work and get a consensus. And some people might feel better asking some questions in a private wiki. *I assume that all candidates must identify with the WMF before their candidacy is accepted, is that correct? * According with the meta page ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Process) : *All candidate statements will have to supply the following information: * 1. *The name of the nominee* 2. *The name of the nominating chapter (if applicable)* 3. *A statement from the chapter in support of the nominee (if applicable)* 4. *A statement from the nominee in support of themselves, accompanied by a short CV and confirming they are willing and eligible to take a seat on the WMF board. Any candidates with Chapters wiki accounts will have those accounts disabled for the duration of the selection process.* So, no, they don't need to send their document to Phillipe. * As well, will candidates who are chapter executive members be required to take a leave of absence or to resign from their executive position during their Board candidacy? * Another question already answered in a document, this time in the Resolution ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Bylaws_amendments_and_board_structure): *Chapter-selected Trustees must resign from any chapter-board, governance, chapter-paid, or Foundation-paid position for the duration of their terms as Trustees, but may continue to serve chapters in informal or advisory capacities.* *One more question, this time about who will actually be doing the voting. Can you clarify exactly who will be voting in this selection process? Will it be one representative for each of the 38 chapters, or will more than one representative be participating?* Who will vote? Everyone here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Chapters Each chapter has a vote, and how they decide their candidates is up to them. Some held a internal vote, some decide in General Assembly, some have an internal discussion in ML... you would need to ask each one of the 38 to know the exact process. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 03:49, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your prompt responses, Beria. I have a few follow-ups. On 31 January 2012 22:43, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Risker. let's go by question. *Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? * Everthing that is in Chapters wiki is replicated in meta. All the links in the Call for Candidates (CfC) are from meta. Everyone can read the discussion. So far the only discussion in chapters wiki was the election for moderators, and the review of the CfC wording. We are not trying to exclude the community - by the contrary - we would be glad to have the community involved in the process, not only with questions, but also as candidates. Excellent; I am pleased to see that the chapters are becoming more transparent in this respect. However, if the plan is to mirror the discussion on Meta, why not just have it there in the first place? * * * Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia community to see? * The real names, obviously not. The usernames may be published - IF the candidate has no problem with that. I'm sorry, I have a problem with that. All other candidates for Board seats must publicly disclose their real name in their candidate presentation (because the identities of Board members are a matter of public record, it is not possible to hold a position on the Board of Trustees anonymously or under a pseudonym). I assume that all candidates must identify with the WMF before their candidacy is accepted, is that correct? As well, will candidates who are chapter executive members be required to take a leave of absence or to resign from their executive position during their Board candidacy? *Will opinions from non-chapter members (who make up 97% of Wikimedians) be considered?* With questions and suggestions, of course
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
*Was it a conscious decision by the chapters to change that approach? I was under the impression that you had decided to stick with the same process we used last time.* We didn't change the process, Thomas. Last time the Call for Candidates was also public and in meta, and the timeline and process. All the voting (if we get to that) will be held in chapters wiki (wich is private) and not in meta. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 10:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 February 2012 03:43, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: * Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia community to see? * The real names, obviously not. The usernames may be published - IF the candidate has no problem with that. Last time, the chapters decided to keep the process very confidential in order to allow free and frank discussion of the candidates. It was felt that it would be good to have confidential discussions, in contrast to the public ones that are associated with the community elected seats, because that might attract different candidates than would stand for the community elected seats (ie. candidates that don't want lots of discussion about every good and bad quality they have happening in public - the selection process can involve a much greater intrusion on privacy than actually serving on the board does). Was it a conscious decision by the chapters to change that approach? I was under the impression that you had decided to stick with the same process we used last time. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
*The board members are to be selected by completely unstructured discussion, with consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems to allow for the discussion to reach its conclusion in person, with no permanent records, at the Chapters Meeting. If the discussion reaches no consensus, or the consensus determination of the moderators is challenged, a vote will be held - in public, on a wiki page. * Before all - as I said before - the vote will be held in a *private* wiki, not a public one. Yes, we do allow people to reach consensus first. Vote is only the last resource. Why? Because that is how we do things in Wikimedia Projects. In a community seat might be impossible, but in this case are only 38 opinions (remember that aren't people we are discussing here, but chapters) and I do believe that we can reach a consensus. *Other than confidentiality, no guidance is provided to the chapters on how to select their preferred candidate - nor on which chapter representatives can participate in the discussion on the chapters-wiki. If any chapter member can participate, doesn't that unduly advantage native English speakers and their chapters? If only some, how are they to be selected?* Any chapter person can participate in the discussion held in chapters wiki. How the chapters select who (or how many people) will speak for them - again - is up to them. I know that might sound scary to process-lovers but is how we work on this. *Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board might refuse to certify the results? * I do really LOVE when you people ask questions that has already been answered by a document, but let's quote again (again from http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Bylaws_amendments_and_board_structure): * Chapter-selected members must meet the requirements of applicable state or federal law for Board membership. In the event that a candidate is selected who does not meet the requirements of Subsection (A) or other requirements of these Bylaws, or of applicable state or federal law, the Board will (i) not approve the selected candidate, (ii) declare a vacancy on the Board, and (iii) request that the chapters select a new Trustee to fill the resulting vacancy, subject to this section and to Section 6 below.* *Are we really sure that the chapters represent enough Wikimedians to merit two seats on the Board selected in such an opaque manner?* We are representing *Chapters* here, not the community (always good to remember) and yes, there is enough people in chapters to make that a representative election. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 12:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested in answers to the procedural questions, too. It's seems like a quixotic process, as laid out on the meta page. The board members are to be selected by completely unstructured discussion, with consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems to allow for the discussion to reach its conclusion in person, with no permanent records, at the Chapters Meeting. If the discussion reaches no consensus, or the consensus determination of the moderators is challenged, a vote will be held - in public, on a wiki page. Other than confidentiality, no guidance is provided to the chapters on how to select their preferred candidate - nor on which chapter representatives can participate in the discussion on the chapters-wiki. If any chapter member can participate, doesn't that unduly advantage native English speakers and their chapters? If only some, how are they to be selected? Additionally, Beria Lima says that chapters-wiki is mirrored on meta - but the process page[1] refers to chapters-wiki as confidential, and says that discussion of candidates' real names should be restricted to that wiki so that only members can see it. This whole thing seems pretty ad hoc and amateurish for an organization that is trying to be more robust and modern about its practices. Is there a background check? Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board might refuse to certify the results? Are we really sure that the chapters represent enough Wikimedians to merit two seats on the Board selected in such an opaque manner? [1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Like I said Stuart, we didn't changed the process. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:23, Stuart West stuw...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 4:12 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: Last time, the chapters decided to keep the process very confidential in order to allow free and frank discussion of the candidates. It was felt that it would be good to have confidential discussions, in contrast to the public ones that are associated with the community elected seats, because that might attract different candidates than would stand for the community elected seats (ie. candidates that don't want lots of discussion about every good and bad quality they have happening in public - the selection process can involve a much greater intrusion on privacy than actually serving on the board does). FWIW, as I think back to Board conversations in 2008 (it was my first meeting), Thomas's comments are quite close to Board's rationale in creating the chapter seats in 2008. The hope was to attract/identify Board candidates who could add a lot of value to the movement but who, for one reason or another, would NOT typically be candidates in election. That might be because they aren't well-known in the editing community that decides elections. Or as Thomas mentions that they wouldn't be interested in going through the sometimes grueling election process. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Nathan, Is REALLY frustrating when you spend days making a text with a lot of links to relevant documents and people simply ignore and ask you again the same thing that is already there. I have enough things to do, answer things that has already a document to answer isn't one of them. But let answer you again: *if not all chapters participate, or if the discussion is dominated by a few chapters, or if by some measure the Board determines that the selection forwarded by the moderators does not sufficiently represent the Chapters, is there any thought to refusing to certify under these circumstances? * If only a handful of chapters participate in the discussion, there is no consensus among chapters and therefore we will have a vote.If not enough chapters vote in the determined time, we will prorogue the vote until they do... and only them we will tell the Board we have a result. We all know how to identify a consensus, don't worry. *Board members, however they are selected, represent the Wikimedia Foundation and the whole community or movement. My question is - if the 38 chapters represent only a small portion of the whole of Wikimedia... * I'm sorry but last Chapters Seat Election had more participants than the Community seats election... if you want to compare, we should get rid of Community election seats, not the chapters one. *Is it really appropriate for Chapters to continue to have a role in filling Board seats? This isn't really a process question, per se, so I understand if you (Beria) decline to weigh in directly. * Change WMF bylaws and the way they select Board members, and you can get rid of Chapters seats. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:47, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: *Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board might refuse to certify the results? * I do really LOVE when you people ask questions that has already been answered by a document, but let's quote again (again from http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Bylaws_amendments_and_board_structure ): * Chapter-selected members must meet the requirements of applicable state or federal law for Board membership. In the event that a candidate is selected who does not meet the requirements of Subsection (A) or other requirements of these Bylaws, or of applicable state or federal law, the Board will (i) not approve the selected candidate, (ii) declare a vacancy on the Board, and (iii) request that the chapters select a new Trustee to fill the resulting vacancy, subject to this section and to Section 6 below.* I appreciate your always helpful tone. In this case, I didn't ask what would happen if someone not legally qualified to be a Board member was selected by the chapters. I asked a different question, linked a prior one - if not all chapters participate, or if the discussion is dominated by a few chapters, or if by some measure the Board determines that the selection forwarded by the moderators does not sufficiently represent the Chapters, is there any thought to refusing to certify under these circumstances? *Are we really sure that the chapters represent enough Wikimedians to merit two seats on the Board selected in such an opaque manner?* We are representing *Chapters* here, not the community (always good to remember) and yes, there is enough people in chapters to make that a representative election. Board members, however they are selected, represent the Wikimedia Foundation and the whole community or movement. My question is - if the 38 chapters represent only a small portion of the whole of Wikimedia, and their selections are being made in such a way (and concerns ridiculed, by the way, as the product of process-lovers), is it really appropriate for Chapters to continue to have a role in filling Board seats? This isn't really a process question, per se, so I understand if you (Beria) decline to weigh in directly. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
that is a bit OT but... *It is difficult to get involved in chapters when, like me, you live in Africa, and the only approved chapter for the entire continent is 8,000 kilometres away.* Create one in your country! :D That is basicaly what we are doing in IberoCoop - help groups from all over Latin World with guidance and help. And IF they want to became a chapter, we help them (talk with ChapCom members, each month we have a new request from a Latin Chapter ;) ) I know isn't easy in Africa, but isn't easy either in Latin America, and we are doing it. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 20:59, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote: Having seats appointed by movement organizations like the chapters offers a chance to involve of another subset of our community: those who are interested enough in governance issues to get involved in the leadership / decision-making of movement organizations. That's also an important subset of our community. The existing chapter presence is a barrier to entry. It is difficult to get involved in chapters when, like me, you live in Africa, and the only approved chapter for the entire continent is 8,000 kilometres away. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to elect the Chapter seats. Say that nobody knows is a bit offensive. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 21:26, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 February 2012 18:17, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more effective or helpful in meeting the Board's goals or running the WMF than would community-elected Wikimedians. Risker, you know the point applies to appointed members of the board as well. They are selected through even a more private process for seemingly unlimited terms, they make up the other half of the board. I am surprised why questions about their interest and representation aren't raised on every new appointment? The chapter selected member, at least go through a vetting and a voting process that is open to several chapters and thousand of members. The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise and skill-set. The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they require. The chapter-selected seats...nobody knows what criteria are being used, what specific expertise is being sought, what skill-set is being selected for. The end result, as best I can see from the first two rounds, is the same people who could easily have run for election, because they're well known and widely active in the community. Risker/Anne ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Wikimedia Portugal held votes between their members to 2008 and 2010 elections. I know WMFR, WMUK and WMAR do the same, and the list can go on... _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 21:42, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: You're misunderstanding; I'm saying the Board of Trustees nominations happening on the chapters wiki is open merely to the representatives of chapters, not to the thousands of members apparently taking part. Please do list those chapters who have an internal vote of the membership before voting on the Chapter Representatives for the Board of Trustees; I would imagine it's going to be *rather* small, particularly if you're not actually allowed to tell your members who is running or anything about them. On 1 February 2012 23:40, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holding the process in private, it's in no way open to thousands of members - it's open to representatives of thousands of members who were not, I would wager, selected because of their opinions on wider movement governance. What? Chapters by definition have to have a board, and be open to membership. The decision taken by the board and representatives, is usually vetted internally, it is representative of the entire chapter; as much as the community elected members are representative of the entire community, beyond just the individuals that voted. The community elected members aren't called, the community-who-voted board members. Regards Theo (personal opinion, etc) On 1 February 2012 23:17, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more effective or helpful in meeting the Board's goals or running the WMF than would community-elected Wikimedians. Risker, you know the point applies to appointed members of the board as well. They are selected through even a more private process for seemingly unlimited terms, they make up the other half of the board. I am surprised why questions about their interest and representation aren't raised on every new appointment? The chapter selected member, at least go through a vetting and a voting process that is open to several chapters and thousand of members. Regards Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
See 1st message in this thread MZ. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 21:56, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Béria Lima wrote: Risker, there are SEVERAL documents in meta with the guidelines used to elect the Chapter seats. Say that nobody knows is a bit offensive. SEVERAL pages on Meta-Wiki? It's a wonder they haven't been memorized by all members of the Wikimedia community. It's fair to say that there are resources available regarding chapter seats on Meta-Wiki (and provide links!); it isn't really fair to suggest that anyone be familiar with the tangled mess that is Meta-Wiki. I've been editing there for quite some time and I still regularly discover pages and processes (or get frustrated with not being able to find them and create my own). I've always found the chapter seats poorly explained and often misunderstood. If there are resources on Meta-Wiki (or even wikimediafoundation.org) that can clarify some of this to me and others, I'd certainly appreciate links. :-) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Cross posting _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 31 January 2012 22:05, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikimedia chapters are seeking to appoint two candidates to sit on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for two years, starting 1 July 2012. The two new members of the board will help to decide the future direction of the world’s leading non-profit website. Wikimedia project are constructed by hundreds of thousands of volunteers worldwide, supported by a growing number of staff and an international network of chapters. Board membership is unpaid. The chapters wish to appoint two excellent board members and believe this can best be achieved by selecting from a large number of varied and skilled candidates. Therefore, the chapters call for nominations by everyone who believes they or someone they know would be suitable. The chapters ask that this call for candidates be distributed as widely as possible through such forums as mailing lists, village pumps, and blogs. The successful candidates will be committed to the Wikimedia mission and willing and able to engage constructively with the stakeholders of the movement, including the volunteers and the chapters that provide it with essential support. The successful candidates will have: - The ability to provide expertise to the board in its goal of implementing a coherent vision on how the projects’ communities, the foundation, the chapters, and other affiliated groups work together; - Sensitivity to complex issues surrounding the multiplicity of languages, cultures, and jurisdictions served by the foundation’s projects; - Knowledge and understanding of the governance of international non-profit organizations, balancing autonomy and subsidiarity; - The ability to think strategically and to work both as part of a team and independently; - A good standard of written and oral English (fluency in additional language would be well regarded); - Sufficient time to devote to the role of board member, and the ability and willingness to travel. Increasing the geographical diversity of current board membership would be an advantage. The selection process is set out here:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats Nominations must be sent to the moderator Béria Lima (Wikimedia Portugal) and deputy moderators Milos Rancic (Wikimedia Serbia) and Mardetanha (Wikimedia steward from Iran) by 23:59 UTC, 29 February. If you would like to nominate yourself or someone else, please see the instructions here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Nominate *Béria Lima*, Moderator ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
The Wikimedia chapters are seeking to appoint two candidates to sit on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for two years, starting 1 July 2012. The two new members of the board will help to decide the future direction of the world’s leading non-profit website. Wikimedia project are constructed by hundreds of thousands of volunteers worldwide, supported by a growing number of staff and an international network of chapters. Board membership is unpaid. The chapters wish to appoint two excellent board members and believe this can best be achieved by selecting from a large number of varied and skilled candidates. Therefore, the chapters call for nominations by everyone who believes they or someone they know would be suitable. The chapters ask that this call for candidates be distributed as widely as possible through such forums as mailing lists, village pumps, and blogs. The successful candidates will be committed to the Wikimedia mission and willing and able to engage constructively with the stakeholders of the movement, including the volunteers and the chapters that provide it with essential support. The successful candidates will have: - The ability to provide expertise to the board in its goal of implementing a coherent vision on how the projects’ communities, the foundation, the chapters, and other affiliated groups work together; - Sensitivity to complex issues surrounding the multiplicity of languages, cultures, and jurisdictions served by the foundation’s projects; - Knowledge and understanding of the governance of international non-profit organizations, balancing autonomy and subsidiarity; - The ability to think strategically and to work both as part of a team and independently; - A good standard of written and oral English (fluency in additional language would be well regarded); - Sufficient time to devote to the role of board member, and the ability and willingness to travel. Increasing the geographical diversity of current board membership would be an advantage. The selection process is set out here:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats Nominations must be sent to the moderator Béria Lima (Wikimedia Portugal) and deputy moderators Milos Rancic (Wikimedia Serbia) and Mardetanha (Wikimedia steward from Iran) by 23:59 UTC, 29 February. If you would like to nominate yourself or someone else, please see the instructions here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Nominate *Béria Lima*, Moderator ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees
Hi Risker. let's go by question. *Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? * Everthing that is in Chapters wiki is replicated in meta. All the links in the Call for Candidates (CfC) are from meta. Everyone can read the discussion. So far the only discussion in chapters wiki was the election for moderators, and the review of the CfC wording. We are not trying to exclude the community - by the contrary - we would be glad to have the community involved in the process, not only with questions, but also as candidates. * * * Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia community to see? * The real names, obviously not. The usernames may be published - IF the candidate has no problem with that. *Will opinions from non-chapter members (who make up 97% of Wikimedians) be considered?* With questions and suggestions, of course will. But with votes, No. There are a vote for elect the community members of the Board, that happened last year and will occur again next year. This vote is decided only by the chapters according with WMF bylaws itself. Quoting: Be*ginning in July 2008, two Trustees will be selected by chapters in even-numbered years*[1]. The result will of course be public as soon as we have one. Thanks for your questions, [1]: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Bylaws_amendments_and_board_structure _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 01:28, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for letting us all know about this, Beria. So...a few questions. Why is the discussion happening on chapterswiki, instead of in an open place where all Wikimedians can at least read the discussion? Will the names of the candidates be published for the entire Wikimedia community to see? Will opinions from non-chapter members (who make up 97% of Wikimedians) be considered? Thanks, Risker/Anne On 31 January 2012 19:05, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikimedia chapters are seeking to appoint two candidates to sit on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees for two years, starting 1 July 2012. The two new members of the board will help to decide the future direction of the world’s leading non-profit website. Wikimedia project are constructed by hundreds of thousands of volunteers worldwide, supported by a growing number of staff and an international network of chapters. Board membership is unpaid. The chapters wish to appoint two excellent board members and believe this can best be achieved by selecting from a large number of varied and skilled candidates. Therefore, the chapters call for nominations by everyone who believes they or someone they know would be suitable. The chapters ask that this call for candidates be distributed as widely as possible through such forums as mailing lists, village pumps, and blogs. The successful candidates will be committed to the Wikimedia mission and willing and able to engage constructively with the stakeholders of the movement, including the volunteers and the chapters that provide it with essential support. The successful candidates will have: - The ability to provide expertise to the board in its goal of implementing a coherent vision on how the projects’ communities, the foundation, the chapters, and other affiliated groups work together; - Sensitivity to complex issues surrounding the multiplicity of languages, cultures, and jurisdictions served by the foundation’s projects; - Knowledge and understanding of the governance of international non-profit organizations, balancing autonomy and subsidiarity; - The ability to think strategically and to work both as part of a team and independently; - A good standard of written and oral English (fluency in additional language would be well regarded); - Sufficient time to devote to the role of board member, and the ability and willingness to travel. Increasing the geographical diversity of current board membership would be an advantage. The selection process is set out here:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats Nominations must be sent to the moderator Béria Lima (Wikimedia Portugal) and deputy moderators Milos Rancic (Wikimedia Serbia) and Mardetanha (Wikimedia steward from Iran) by 23:59 UTC, 29 February. If you would like to nominate yourself or someone else, please see the instructions here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Nominate *Béria Lima*, Moderator ___ foundation-l mailing
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Board of Trustees meeting agenda
Phoebe, this meeting is not the one to approve or not the Recomendations from Sue, right? I always imagined that would be AFTER the meeting in Paris. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 27 January 2012 17:22, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The WMF Board of Trustees is planning our winter meeting for next weekend. The draft agenda is posted here for comment: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Board_Meetings/February_3-4,_2012 This is a very full agenda, focusing on three main topics: the WMF annual planning process for 2012/2013, fundraising and funds dissemination models, and the movement roles process. -- Phoebe (Board of Trustees Secretary, 2011-2012) -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Stop Online Piracy Now!
Maybe is a stupid question, but who is this guy? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 24 January 2012 09:11, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Under SOPN, all copyrighted material which is not licensed under creative commons or public domain or an equally free and liberal license (collectively called public) should be banned from the Internet. By removing all such material which is not publicly licensed, SOPN will kill piracy with one blow as there is nothing to pirate. https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimania-l] Call for Participation - Wikimania 2012
FW on request. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 18 January 2012 17:07, Tiffany Smith tiffany.lmb.sm...@gmail.com wrote: Call for Participation - Wikimania 2012 To submit a proposal, visit: http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions Important Dates Deadline for submitting proposals: 18 March 2012 Notification of acceptance: 8 April 2012 Overview Wikimania conferences provide unique opportunities for the wiki community and its sister projects (including Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wiktionary, Wikispecies, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikimedia) to come together, share their common goals, and develop better ways to work together on an international level. The Wikimania 2012 program structure is designed to create multiple opportunities for conference participants to actively engage with the subject matter, the environment, and, most importantly, each other. Washington, D.C, can play an important role in Wikimania 2012 as a locale that gathers interest in government, culture, media, and academia around the general goals of the Wikimania conference series. In accordance with these goals and themes, the program will include traditional conference offerings such as paper presentations, tutorials, panels, and poster sessions; provide lounge space and breaks throughout for participants to gather; and innovate with an unconference day for attendees to design their own schedule and participation around common interests. Submissions will be reviewed and selected in advance by the program committee. Attendees are welcome to present in the open space track of the conference, regardless of whether their submitted presentations were accepted. The eigth annual Wikimania will be held between 12th and 14th July, 2012 in Washington D.C. For more information, please visit the main site. Presentation length Due to the extensive amount of program submissions received in the previous years, we request your presentation be a maximum of 25 minutes, including time for questions. You may request more time, though shorter individual presentations are more likely to be accepted. This does not apply for keynote speakers, panels, or workshops. 70 minute presentations must be submitted either as panel presentations to include at least three presenters or as workshops with a clear lesson plan. Tracks Tracks are used by Wikimania to organize submissions and diversify audiences so that presentations of competing interest do not have time conflicts. Five tracks are proposed: Wikis and the Public Sector The Washington, DC, location for Wikimania 2012 provides a special opportunity for those working in the social good, policy, government, nonprofit, and disaster response arenas to share their experience with collaboration on a local, national, or international level. Wikis and complementary technologies are proving to be critical in times of crisis and in ongoing work with citizen participation in government, as well as in long-term goals for education, public policy, social entrepreneurship, and development in the global south and throughout the world. This track will explore the ways that Wikimedia projects and related activities can be used to support citizens worldwide. GLAM: Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums This track aims to support current outreach to Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums and build enthusiasm for continued work in this area. Presentations and panels will demonstrate effective outreach techniques and results from ongoing activities as well as envision the future path for these efforts. Topics of particular interest to this track may include: wiki technology as a tool for cultural preservation; use of wikis by museums and libraries for information management for the public good; legal and copyright issues; use of content in GLAM projects, education, journalism and research; conflicts between different laws that apply to the same wiki system simultaneously. This track may also incorporate “field trips” before, after, or during the evenings of the conference to visit Washington, D.C., organizations. WikiCulture and Community Why do people contribute to Wikimedia projects? How might the community grow and expand while retaining its inherent cultural ethos? This track will explore the sociology of wiki culture and community and provide a forum for practitioners and researchers to share insights and best practices for community management, engagement, participation, and conflict resolution. The assessment of different wiki cultures and demonstration of clashes and effects of those interactions between wiki communities and chapters is relevant to this track. A special focus will be a discussion
Re: [Foundation-l] Smurfs Movie is infringing on wikipedia copyright
*it's because smurfs didn't like Wikipedia's article on them. * They can always edit the article ;) xD _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 17 December 2011 09:57, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: David Richfield, 17/12/2011 10:40: It's disgusting that a megacorporation which has a predatory, legalistic attitude towards intellectual property doesn't play by its own rules. According to whai I've heard of the film, it's because smurfs didn't like Wikipedia's article on them. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia
Mateus the law is not approved yet. Is still in a committee. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 December 2011 16:46, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: It's virtually impossible break down a law when it's already approved. We would need more than a strike to do that. Maybe some tents ocuppying front of White House. The Strike can't be our last resource, it have to be used EARLY. It's our main hope! _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:40:31 -0800 From: phoebe.w...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, Just wanted to let you know that I got word a few minutes ago that today's SOPA markup meeting will be using a new tool that allows for public input into the markup. Shortly before 8:30, you'll see the SOPA bill replace the OPEN bill at Keepthewebopen.com. If you'd like to have input during the markup process, this is a nice way to do it. pb Fascinating! A little late though... clearly these representatives haven't had the community lessons of Wikimedia drilled into them, heh. (As an aside, I really like the editing interface that keepthewebopen is using). On the question of to strike or not to strike -- my *personal* view is to agree that we should a) discuss other measures, such as perhaps a text banner on en.wp; and b) use a strike as a last resort, as there is no other place to go if we did strike. I think Jimmy's poll was just that -- a way to gauge support for any particular action. And all the discussions I've seen have run pretty strongly in favor of doing something to oppose the bill, with the 'something' tbd. As with the Italian action though timing is everything. This vote is a committee vote; if it dies here it will be exceedingly hard to resuscitate, but if it goes on it still has to pass a House floor vote, Senate floor vote, get reconciled and get signed. In other words, today is a critical time (and especially if you are in the US, this is a good time to try to sway judiciary committee members) and we really hope it dies here and now. But if it doesn't, this process could go on for months, and we should consider what the next best timing to do anything is. This is a community question, and must be a community-led action. BTW, Vint Cerf, Paul Vixie and many others just signed a letter of internet engineers opposing SOPA: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/top-internet-engineers-warn-against-sopa/2011/12/15/gIQAGRV4vO_blog.html -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia
*At some point of time we'll have to articulate ourselves politically.* If we decide to be honest with ourselves we must remember that we crossed that line when it.wiki got off-line for a very similar reason. And WMF also participated in Internet Censorship Day. not only participated - organized it - look at the bottom of this page: http://americancensorship.org/ So is not a question of IF we will be political or apolitical, is a question of if this is a case for it (and at least WMF seems to think it is.) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 14 December 2011 21:05, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 21:38, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: It's complex, Milos. We are not activists. Being a volunteer in Wikimedia do not torn ourselves activists. It could be, but the option to be a volunteer in Wikipedia is just a option to share the free knowledge, not about political issues. I totally agree to fight against censorships in Internet and in real life, I agree with that. And I fight against that. We can, as people and citizens; But Wikimedia Foundation can't, cause we can't force the volunteers to agree that visions. I know that it's complex, of course. And I know that it was necessary to see that our bunker is on the front line to realize that it's better to help others before. We're not a political party (yet?) At some point of time we'll have to articulate ourselves politically. There is relatively clear set of values behind our movement and there are clear benefits which all humans are getting thanks to our work. Pretending that we are apolitical makes our position worse and inevitably leads to the crisis, like this one is. Leadership inside of one network, no matter how loose the connections are inside of that network, has responsibility to raise and articulate relevant political issues, as well. And I am glad to see that Jimmy has taken at least the articulation role in this case. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] We now accept $$$
We accept Credit Card donations from Brasil since at least 2008 (that was the 1st Fundraising I saw). The problem is that brasilian people often don't pay anything with credit cards (at least not with Visa or MasterCard), we pay things with direct transfer or debit card (not acceptable in WMF Fundraising) and - if a Brazilian want to buy something too expensive - with a specif store credit card (like for example a walmart credit card) - who works in Walmart and in Walmart only. And since paypal also does not work with Brazilian reais, the only people from Brasil donating to fundraising is a very small part of the population who was a credit card who allow them to do International transfers. Basically is what I answer to people from 3 years now ;) But since we accept Rupee and Rubles, I have a small hope that we can accept Reais too this year (after all, the three currencies starts with R ;) ;) ) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 9 December 2011 02:15, Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Beria, The day has already arrived!! :) We do accept Brazilian reais for Brazil (please see http://ur1.ca/6ifng). We are temporarily down in Brazil but we should be up again for the last 2 weeks of the Fundraiser- by then we should be able to offer *Boletos *as well!! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: And I still wait for the day we start to accept Brazilian reais (so I don't have 20 OTRS messages / day asking about it ;) ) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 7 December 2011 07:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: The popular Russian blogger Artemy Lebedev [1] is known for changing the title of his blog every few days. Usually it is a line from spam emails. The current title is the translation into Russian of We now accept rubles (RUB), most likely taken from the Wikipedia fundraising banners. Lebedev also happens to be a designer who created the ruble symbol; it is not official yet, but used here and there. [1] http://tema.livejournal.com/ -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Pats Pena | Community Department Operations Manager Wikimedia Foundation office +1 (415) 839 6885 x6764 cell: +1 (415) 816 3349 Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is a research banner advertising of the evil sort?
If you want to see the banner: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=HSB_final_2 And I, Béria Lima (nice to meet you) disabled the banner upon a thread in Internal-l where people asked for it. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 9 December 2011 14:52, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see the problem, myself. There's no product, service or commercial interest being advertised. It's for users who are logged in, not all readers. People who choose to participate actually receive money, which can then be donated to the IRC or Wikimedia. Yet other objections are based on privacy concerns (over being redirected to a third party website)... Such concerns are so overblown, I haven't seen the banner and am not taking a position on it but some of your objections to the objections seem rather odd. 1. You say it's for users who are logged in, not all readers. I am not going to take this to mean that you feel advertising McDonalds would be fine if it were a) only to logged in users and/or b) only displayed to some users. But it is possible to read it that way. 2. You say users actually get money out of it and, again, I will not take this as you saying that McDonalds could place ads on Wikipedia if they a) allowed users to click through activating a donation to Wikipedia and/or b) were given a small sum of money if they clicked on it... but, again, you rather leave yourself open to these interpretations. So, if you'd like to fight for the right for the banner to appear, fine. But the way you're positioning yourself on the issue seems rather flakey. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is a research banner advertising of the evil sort?
Not IRC, the private mailing list with Chapters + staff, I'm sure you heard of it before. And Kim, as far as I know there are NO WAY to put a sumary in a Central Notice action. And I'm not a en.wiki user, so I'm not forced to give any reason to en.wiki community about a action I took in another wiki. As for meta, there was a page ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Central_notice_requests) created AFTER I disable the banner. And again, that was not a on-wiki consensus: That was an action who started with a staff of WMF, discussed privately, put on air, discussed in a private mailing list, and took off. When I need to do anything on en.wiki I follow en.wiki, until there, don't try to imposse them to me. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 9 December 2011 19:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 03:00:41PM +, B?ria Lima wrote: If you want to see the banner: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=HSB_final_2 And I, B?ria Lima (nice to meet you) disabled the banner upon a thread in Internal-l where people asked for it. Internal-l is the new IRC, I take it? :-) Strictly you're ok by accident, I think :-) ...but... remember to always reference on-wiki discussions and consensus for on-wiki actions. As you may recall, off-wiki discussions may be referenced for information, but never for consensus. [1] sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] For completeness: once upon a time, wikipedia-l was also acceptable as a source of consensus. No one has tried to use that for quite a while though. ;-) -- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] We now accept $$$
And I still wait for the day we start to accept Brazilian reais (so I don't have 20 OTRS messages / day asking about it ;) ) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 7 December 2011 07:53, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote: The popular Russian blogger Artemy Lebedev [1] is known for changing the title of his blog every few days. Usually it is a line from spam emails. The current title is the translation into Russian of We now accept rubles (RUB), most likely taken from the Wikipedia fundraising banners. Lebedev also happens to be a designer who created the ruble symbol; it is not official yet, but used here and there. [1] http://tema.livejournal.com/ -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
OMG Gomà, can´t you leave any thread in peace without push your POV? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 November 2011 09:37, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 + From: B?ria Lima berial...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust *The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia offices to co-exist and work together in India.* Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF? That document states that WMIN is the ONLY chapter of WMF in India, and that any one organization must have their approval to work in Indian soil (I'm saying that based in WMPT agreement, WMIN one might be different.) I think that the spirit of an agreement is more important than its wording but I would like to comment both. Regarding the wording, in my opinion what the contract says can be interpreted exactly the other way around. It says that to create another chapter in the same geographical area WMIN will be consulted. [1] It doesn’t say that the approval of WMIN is needed. Furthermore to create an organization different than chapters not even that consultation is foreseen. As for the spirit I feel that the impression that chapters have private ownership of land is a big mistake that can leads us to a situation contrary to our values. This exclusivity is contrary to the spirit of sharing. We are not cultivating potatoes where the owner of the land keeps the potatoes. We give the potatoes away. The more and better people working the land more potatoes can give away. We don’t need land owners, what we need are people working the land. I think these organizations should be happy of having there each other andsee a chance that what one of them can’t do, perhaps will be done by the other. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Agreement_between_chapters_and_Wikimedia_Foundation#3.%20Geographic_limits ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Achal, I don't quite understand what is the idea, meaning or whatever you wrote in your mail. Can you explain (this time with full and meaningful sentences), please? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 November 2011 14:19, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote: Can we not pick on a person whose POV is that he wishes to participate in the Wikimedia movement in the fullest way possible? Pick on me instead. Oh wait... Best wishes, Achal On Tuesday 15 November 2011 07:40 PM, Béria Lima wrote: OMG Gomà, can´t you leave any thread in peace without push your POV? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 15 November 2011 09:37, Joan Gomajrg...@gmail.com wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 + From: B?ria Limaberial...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust *The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia offices to co-exist and work together in India.* Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF? That document states that WMIN is the ONLY chapter of WMF in India, and that any one organization must have their approval to work in Indian soil (I'm saying that based in WMPT agreement, WMIN one might be different.) I think that the spirit of an agreement is more important than its wording but I would like to comment both. Regarding the wording, in my opinion what the contract says can be interpreted exactly the other way around. It says that to create another chapter in the same geographical area WMIN will be consulted. [1] It doesn’t say that the approval of WMIN is needed. Furthermore to create an organization different than chapters not even that consultation is foreseen. As for the spirit I feel that the impression that chapters have private ownership of land is a big mistake that can leads us to a situation contrary to our values. This exclusivity is contrary to the spirit of sharing. We are not cultivating potatoes where the owner of the land keeps the potatoes. We give the potatoes away. The more and better people working the land more potatoes can give away. We don’t need land owners, what we need are people working the land. I think these organizations should be happy of having there each other andsee a chance that what one of them can’t do, perhaps will be done by the other. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Agreement_between_chapters_and_Wikimedia_Foundation#3.%20Geographic_limits ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*Having said that I must politely disagree with some of the views of Anirudh, my fellow Executive Member and Salmaan ( Theo) , a member of Wikimedia India chapter. But I do respect their personal views , but I guess we agree to disagree. * So, your idea of politeness include offend other member of your chapter? I already had been tagged as impolite, but not even I got that low. And that create a second question: Is that office worth the price to divide the chapter in 2 or more groups? * The news of the formation of Wikimedia India Program Trust wasn't anything new to the chapter EC as it was mentioned in last two Chapter - Foundation Co-ordination meetings, if I remember correctly.* So, WMF remembered to warn the chapter 2 months ago about a project they are conducting for the past year? And you think that is ok? You can't see the miscommunication here? *When it comes to paid contractors/staff , I don't see a difference between Theo[1] or Hisham, except that Hisham is working for a longer term. So what?* I have not to add besides what Theo said. The main and bigger difference is that one is a well know and long term wikimedian, the other happens to have a job who deal with wikis. *The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia offices to co-exist and work together in India.* Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF? That document states that WMIN is the ONLY chapter of WMF in India, and that any one organization must have their approval to work in Indian soil (I'm saying that based in WMPT agreement, WMIN one might be different.) Best regards, *Béria Lima* Who sincerely hope that this office don't became a arm of mass destruction for Indian Chapter and community. * Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 14 November 2011 18:14, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: The following comments are my personal view and not necessarily of an Executive Member of the Wikimedia India Chapter. Having said that I must politely disagree with some of the views of Anirudh, my fellow Executive Member and Salmaan ( Theo) , a member of Wikimedia India chapter. But I do respect their personal views , but I guess we agree to disagree. The news of the formation of Wikimedia India Program Trust wasn't anything new to the chapter EC as it was mentioned in last two Chapter - Foundation Co-ordination meetings, if I remember correctly. And Sunil Abraham , Director of Centre of Internet Society ( CIS) is a patron of Wikimedia movement in India and chapter in India, not to forget that CIS have been sharing their office space for the chapter and Wikimeetups in Bangalore, or all the help CIS was doing for boot strapping the chapter. When it comes to paid contractors/staff , I don't see a difference between Theo[1] or Hisham, except that Hisham is working for a longer term. So what? Not every work can be done as a volunteer. As far as I understand, the foundation is also committed to support the chapters and community alike. The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia offices to co-exist and work together in India. When there are more than enough work to do, I don't understand why this hue and cry. There is only one who could diminish the importance of the chapter, the chapter itself. The road ahead for us is not easy but there are tons of things to do. We have our advantages but limitations too. Our current bank balance [2] is not more than a night's tariff at a decent hotel. The board members does the clerical work of receiving membership applications to posting individual snail mail letters of acceptance of membership. In spite of all these, we do this for the passion and love for the movement. It does come at the sacrifice of our own professional/career growths or the wonderful time we would otherwise have spend with our family and friends. But we are proud to Wikipedians/Wikimedians! And we love what we are doing. Foundation-Community-Chapter-India Trust...Yea, it is complicated and the model may or may not be the best.. But that is the reality. Let us all work together for the movement. Regards Tinu Cherian References 1) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_contractors 2) http://wiki.wikimedia.in/images/0/06/WMIN-AnnualReport2010-11.pdf On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: My personal opinion, and I only speak for myself and not the Chapter or the Foundation (I wouldn't dare!). On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, thanks a lot all for exmplaining the differences. I
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Bishakha, the program (for WCI) is not a problem. Everyone agrees on it. The funding for WMIN and WIPT is. So makes no sense ask us to discuss in a point everyone agrees and left out the one where we don't. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 12 November 2011 06:53, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: This thread started out with questions about the legal and practical differences between chapter and trust, but has veered much more into the terrain of funding and money. In addition, there have been numerous emails on bank accounts, grants, fellowships and what not. I'm glad we're talking about money and funding, but it's seeming like this is of greater concern than programs and activities - surely, funding is just a means to an end, rather than an end in itself? Funding is being discussed almost as if funding is an 'end' in itself - as if money is of greater importance than the huge amounts of work needed to build editing communities. This is both ironical in a volunteer community, and a source of worry, and I would like to place this on record. Best Bishakha ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's team so far is the India Education Program.* You sure you want to use that as an example of Hishan workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-11-07/Special_report? Because if was in a for-profit organization things like that would lead to a demission in 2 seconds. *WLM is a wonderful project, one which WMF actively supported (most importantly by improving Upload Wizard to directly support the management of the upload campaigns). * Or so the people who spend lots and LOTS of time in Commons, creating, updating and localizing the Upload campaigns for WLM had WMF support? Because we didn't saw any during the time we were doing it. Create the Upload Wizard (thanks for it - despite the fact I preffer the old commonist) don't make you supportes because the UW was not created for WLM or even thinking about it. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 12 November 2011 07:18, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:04 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: to get a feeling about the size, the number of readers, contributors, and a trend in it, i tried to find the india country statistics on editing and reading: The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's team so far is the India Education Program. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:India_Education_Program/Courses So far there's been a pilot program, which uncovered lots of serious issues with the quality of content contributed by the participating courses. This is now driving further iteration of the program, as it should. The pilot very much built on, and was informed by, the lessons learned in the Public Policy Initiative, which was the largest and most successful student engagement program ever undertaken in the Wikimedia movement (!). Both the India Education Program and the PPI have been led by Frank Schulenburg, who is an experienced and accomplished Wikipedian. at the same time, another part of the world, a foto competition, no trust, no consultants, no KPMG involved, but a lot of volunteers and chapters. it gave 160'000 images for wikimedia commons, in one month. and, 30% new contributors. [2] WLM is a wonderful project, one which WMF actively supported (most importantly by improving Upload Wizard to directly support the management of the upload campaigns). It really is credit to all the people who developed it, and built on the lessons from last year's WLM in the Netherlands. It's also a photo competition, which by its very nature is a very different kind of program than something like the IEP, with very different risks and opportunities. It's easy to compare apples and oranges and say those apples are rotten, my oranges are so much nicer. But they are very different fruit entirely. :) I don't think anyone is served by stereotyping people or programs. We're all pulling towards the same goal. That doesn't mean constantly patting ourselves on the back, but let's focus on the the substance of the work rather than on peddling stereotypes about ignorant consultants and outsiders. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*FYI - The two Fellows are WMIN chapter members and signatories on its bank account.* Thanks but that only make things worse to me. So, the people who are paid by WMF are the ones taking care of WMIN money? Only I see the COI here? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 12 November 2011 05:33, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: FYI - The two Fellows are WMIN chapter members and signatories on its bank account. Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:41:43 + From: berial...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know. *Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is professionalized (and because we never had a chance) and in WMF's good graces.* *And Bishakha answered: As I understand it, WMIN has received a grant from WMF, so I can't understand how it never had a chance.** * Ok talking about grants: WMIN has so far 2 grants: a Bootstrap Granthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Bootstrap_Grantand a grant for WCI 2011 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/WikiConference_India_2011 (since this grant http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter state in the begin that is not a chapter grant, despite the fact that has the WMIN in the title). One is for a ver specif thing - a conference - who is being leading by 2 fellows of WMF. The second one has nothing to do with professionalization. So when comes to funding, if they decide to collect funds locally, would be incredible difficult to fight against the WIPT who is full of employees[1] who are used to work with that for years. That was - I believe - Anirudh's point. [1] I'm in WMIN ML and I see a hiring once per month, sometimes more. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 11 November 2011 17:34, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: The initial idea, if I understood it correctly, was to establish another non-profit body within India, for a period of three to five years to execute specific (and large-scale) programmes. As of now, the WIPT (Wikimedia India Program Office) can pretty much do anything it wants with the Wikimedia brand - partner with institutions, raise money locally, have paid employees and bypass community. From what I have seen, the program office does not behave like a law unto itself, as implied above. This is what I foresee happening: WMIN will be involved in community-building and small-scale projects which support volunteers and the WIPT will partner with large institutions in India (who are understandably looking to club with international organizations), get a lot of media coverage and acquire the big grants (since WMIN is not a professional body). WMIN has already had interest from and meetings with other donors, including pretty big ones in India (I was there at one such in 2010), so why this feeling that WMIN can't acquire the big grants? WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is professionalized (and because we never had a chance) and in WMF's good graces. As I understand it, WMIN has received a grant from WMF, so I can't understand how it never had a chance. This is how WMIN has been made redundant (something that I have been saying for a long, long time). I really don't get this. Given that India is a huge country - with more than 1 billion people - and zillions of opportunities to grow editing communities in different languages, how can WMIN become or be made redundant? Also, given that the chapter is less than a year old, and has some new office-bearers, and has announced new plans for moving forward, how is it redundant? My personal view is that there is enough work ahead for not just one, or two, but numerous entities, formal and informal, to enter the fray and actualize this potential. Already, there are many more requests for collaboration within India than either WMIN or WIPT or both put
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know. *Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is professionalized (and because we never had a chance) and in WMF's good graces.* *And Bishakha answered: As I understand it, WMIN has received a grant from WMF, so I can't understand how it never had a chance.** * Ok talking about grants: WMIN has so far 2 grants: a Bootstrap Granthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Bootstrap_Grantand a grant for WCI 2011 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/WikiConference_India_2011(since this granthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletterstate in the begin that is not a chapter grant, despite the fact that has the WMIN in the title). One is for a ver specif thing - a conference - who is being leading by 2 fellows of WMF. The second one has nothing to do with professionalization. So when comes to funding, if they decide to collect funds locally, would be incredible difficult to fight against the WIPT who is full of employees[1] who are used to work with that for years. That was - I believe - Anirudh's point. [1] I'm in WMIN ML and I see a hiring once per month, sometimes more. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 11 November 2011 17:34, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: The initial idea, if I understood it correctly, was to establish another non-profit body within India, for a period of three to five years to execute specific (and large-scale) programmes. As of now, the WIPT (Wikimedia India Program Office) can pretty much do anything it wants with the Wikimedia brand - partner with institutions, raise money locally, have paid employees and bypass community. From what I have seen, the program office does not behave like a law unto itself, as implied above. This is what I foresee happening: WMIN will be involved in community-building and small-scale projects which support volunteers and the WIPT will partner with large institutions in India (who are understandably looking to club with international organizations), get a lot of media coverage and acquire the big grants (since WMIN is not a professional body). WMIN has already had interest from and meetings with other donors, including pretty big ones in India (I was there at one such in 2010), so why this feeling that WMIN can't acquire the big grants? WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is professionalized (and because we never had a chance) and in WMF's good graces. As I understand it, WMIN has received a grant from WMF, so I can't understand how it never had a chance. This is how WMIN has been made redundant (something that I have been saying for a long, long time). I really don't get this. Given that India is a huge country - with more than 1 billion people - and zillions of opportunities to grow editing communities in different languages, how can WMIN become or be made redundant? Also, given that the chapter is less than a year old, and has some new office-bearers, and has announced new plans for moving forward, how is it redundant? My personal view is that there is enough work ahead for not just one, or two, but numerous entities, formal and informal, to enter the fray and actualize this potential. Already, there are many more requests for collaboration within India than either WMIN or WIPT or both put together can handle. Given this huge potential, I don't see why this discussion has to be framed through the lens of competition or territoriality. Cheers Bishakha ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Barry, answers will be in line (as a side notice: I will start love when someone says something bad about WMF if that is the only way that we can actually see they posting mails). *So there are some technical issues that we were dealing with regarding the funding of the conference that did not enable it to be a grant. * So, I helped AroundTheGlobe to write the grant, I'm in GAC and thefore I need to review the grant. I'm also an honorary organizer of WCI, so I actually know a lot about this grant and all the things around it - and that is why I mention it. *Also, I think it is a mistake to say that the conference is the product of a WMF initiative or is being controlled by WMF. The conference was and is a community initiative with lots of participation. * I don't know where you read in my mail that the conference is product of a WMF initiative. I never said that. *We provided a small stipend to help once it was clear that the logistical activities required full time resources.** WMF or the trust as not run the conference...we have provided funds to enable it.* So let me do a little comparison to see if you get my (in fact Anirudh's) point: If WMIN decide to fund thenselves in 2012 Fundraising, WMF will provide people to a small stipend help them with the full time employee necessary to run a decent fundraising? *The grant does actually help to put some building blocks in place such as supporting accounting and legal needs. * legal needs don't actually imply a full time lawyer or accountant to WMIN (I also review this grant and made that exactly questionhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_IN/Bootstrap_Grant#Operating_Expenses ) *Also, nothing stopping the chapter from building further in the future...since the grant process remains open as do communication lines with WMF and the community. * Again, no one said they can't. The only thing we said was that WIPT receive money directly WITHOUT a grant, with give them an advantage. *There have been three consultant hires in India to date - Hisham, Nitika and Shiju. As mentioned in the past, the team is expected to be 5 people. * Well, I saw at least 4 hiring in the mailing list, so Hisham might have someone else working for him. I can go look into archives, but I'm pretty sure Indian operations are bigger than this. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 11 November 2011 18:58, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: A couple of clarifications: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know. *Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is professionalized (and because we never had a chance) and in WMF's good graces.* *And Bishakha answered: As I understand it, WMIN has received a grant from WMF, so I can't understand how it never had a chance.** * Ok talking about grants: WMIN has so far 2 grants: a Bootstrap Granthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Bootstrap_Grantand a grant for WCI 2011 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/WikiConference_India_2011 (since this grant http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_IN/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter state in the begin that is not a chapter grant, despite the fact that has the WMIN in the title). One is for a ver specif thing - a conference - who is being leading by 2 fellows of WMF. So there are some technical issues that we were dealing with regarding the funding of the conference that did not enable it to be a grant. Also, I think it is a mistake to say that the conference is the product of a WMF initiative or is being controlled by WMF. The conference was and is a community initiative with lots of participation. We provided a small stipend to help once it was clear that the logistical activities required full time resources. WMF or the trust as not run the conference...we have provided funds to enable it. The second one has nothing to do with professionalization. The grant does actually help to put some building blocks in place such as supporting accounting and legal needs. Also, nothing stopping the chapter from building further in the future...since the grant process remains open as do communication lines with WMF and the community. So when comes to funding, if they decide to collect funds locally, would be incredible difficult to fight against the WIPT who is full of employees[1] who are used to work with that for years. That was - I believe - Anirudh's point. As I
Re: [Foundation-l] Loriot
Klaus, I do understand your anger, but please, calm down. Scream will not help your case, and I'm sure that WMF's lawyer or someone from his team will come to give all of us a decent explanation. If in the end of all, there was a mistake, we can always restore the file. Calm, this is not the end of the world (after all today is 11.11.11 and everyone knows the end of the world is 21.12.12) ;-) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 11 November 2011 21:49, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: You didn't read my message. With all respect: PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO SENSITIVE ISSUES IN THIS CASE which concerns the copyright status of modern German stamps. The office action was a clear mistake and it's not relevant how often office action werde made if WMF's counsel was clearly misleaded. Therefore there is, I repeat this, NO need that I or another German wikipedian contact the counsel. WMF has the duty publicly to discuss the case! Klaus Graf ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Why Wikipedia Is as Important As the Pyramids
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/st_essay_wikipediawonders/ At the Wikimedia Conference in March, a German coalition proposed that Wikipedia become the first digital World Heritage site. A petition was drafted, declaring Wikipedia “a masterpiece of human creative genius.” Unesco was not impressed (...) the truth is that Wikipedia doesn’t need the World Heritage List. The World Heritage List needs Wikipedia. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
Well, no newbie will wake up and say: I want to place references in
Wikipedia articles today - they do because one of us asked them to do. And
all (maybe not all but most of) us know the software, and don't cost more
of our time ask them to use it. In fact a message explaining how to use
the software is far more simple than one explaining how to insert the
{{cite web}} template (and I know because I already send both to newbies).
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*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.*
On 3 November 2011 08:40, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
On 11/01/11 4:43 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite4Wiki )
right click and paste in the article. Easier than that can't be ;)
The newbie still has to find out from somewhere that he should download
the software. Even something as simple as needing to right click isn't
obvious.
Ray
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*Seriously, who here, at the first time editing Wikipedia, read the
policy BEFORE editing a lot?
*
/me raise her hand! o/
I read all the links in this {{welcome}} template BEFORE edit:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Predefini%C3%A7%C3%A3o:Bem-vindo%28a%29oldid=6812887(version
in use whe i was a newbie)
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*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.*
On 2 November 2011 13:51, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote:
The learning of the new editors have to be more instinctive and less
bureaucratic. Seriously, who here, at the first time editing Wikipedia,
read
the policy BEFORE editing a lot? None. Everyone just reads the rules a long
time after the beggining of Wikipedian life.
I think a system like used in Commons too, but now about editing Wikipedia.
Could be used for IPs and accounts with less than 100 editions, for
example,
and concealable, of course.
A system whick teach to newbies about the syntax ( that's the most
complicated thin to teach newbies: [[ ]], {{ }} and of course,
Ref{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher=
|accessdate= }}/ref)
It has to be discussed. It would be a important system, essential nowadays.
-Mensagem Original-
From: Marco Chiesa
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:02 AM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite4Wiki )
right click and paste in the article. Easier than that can't be ;)
There are a lot of tools available to make the life of a Wiki editor
simple. The problem is that by the time you come into them, you have
already learned how to do things, where to find templates. I think we
need to develop a kind of wizard similar to the one used in Commons.
For example something like:
*What is the article about? with specific instructions for some of the
commonest categories (biographies, films, geographic places
*Write the text
*Wikify it
*Add references. Is it a book? A website? The templates are
straightforward to fill but difficult to find
*Preview and proofread
*Save it
Cruccone
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Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/ (in wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite4Wiki )
right click and paste in the article. Easier than that can't be ;)
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http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que
estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.*
On 1 November 2011 23:39, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote:
Agree with David.
We ask for sources everywhere, every place of Wikipedia have ''Cite your
Sources''. How could a newbie know how to quote a reference in: Ref{{cite
web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate= }}/ref ?
And then a newbie get out of the 70% who doesn't saves (funny, it's 70% of
waiver and we still have infinite vandalism...) and finally, finally,
saves, some pseudo-user (a bot disguised as a user, reverting vandalisms
and sending automatic messages 24/7) reverts the newbie cause he doesn't
put a source, the newbie gives up. At his second day he have new messages
saying ''You didn't put the source. Put a source or I'll revert you againd
and again.'' -so, he: ''How could I do that?'' - and the user: easy:
''Ref{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher=
|accessdate= }}/ref''
True story.
Something have to change about the sources. I learned put sources after
one week trying to learn and not miss the code.
If the sources are so important to Wikipedia, this has to be easier to
newbies.
_
MateusNobre
Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects
(+55) 85 88393509
30440865
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:14:28 +0200
From: cimonav...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 October 2011 13:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine for the other 14.6 percent the
process goes something along the lines of oh, it says I can make the
changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS
TEXT
MEAN
I've been editing nearly 8 years and I get that reaction ... here's to
usable WYSIWYG!
Purely aside from the clutter effect of all those tags, particularly
the references syntax is remarkably opaque. I would imagine a huge
part of non-stickyness of edits and the
subsequent demoralisation, stems from the steep learing curve for
citing sources, Personally I have added a few refences, and each time
had to pore with considerabe expense of time
over the relevant help and policy pages. It really is hard to remember
how the syntax works.
Would it be overwhelmingly hard to program a pop-up dialogue which
would first ask which type of source the editor is citing from, which
would lead to a form with labeled textboxes for the
various elements of a reference citation with an asterisk beside the
elements considered vital. My guess is that quite a few of the
elements of such are already in the code.
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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Re: [Foundation-l] New IRC Group Contact
Group contact. Someone to help everyone in any #wikimedia- something channel in IRC See more here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/11/1 Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk a new IRC group? like #wikimedia-something ? what's the theme of the group and its name? _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:32:49 +0100 From: dungod...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] New IRC Group Contact Hello, I am pleased to announce that Casey and I have chosen Barras as a new IRC Group Contact. He is an experienced and trusted user and we think he is going to fit in the team nicely. He will join our team effective immediately. On behalf of the Group Contacts, Filip Maljković ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
I think he meant the second option, Liam. And I agree with Tobias when he says this is a useless feature. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 31 October 2011 07:50, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 October 2011 07:14, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Craig Franklin wrote: Personally, I find the whole WikiLove extension to be a bit naff and schmaltzy. I'm generally not thrilled when I get a WikiLove kitten or anything, just like I'm not touched that my local member of Parliament has thought to send me a form letter about how hard they're working for me. It's harmless enough though, I just choose to ignore it. A user preference or some other way of disabling the use of WikiLove on a per-user basis might be nice. Similar to an e-mail's unsubscribe feature. I'm not sure if there's a bug filed about this already. MZMcBride Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the question, but users can already disable the WikiLove feature on their editing preferences http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing(so that a user doesn't ever see the WikiLove button). Or, do you mean that users can disable the WikiLove button from appearing above their userpage when someone else visits it? (so that a user can opt-out of ever receiving WikiLove-derived messages). -Liam ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Khan Academy contradictory licensing conditions
I think they use the NC-ND version (at least that is the one in youtube videos), as an example, this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Y8ia57C24 has this tag: *LICENCE: Creative Commons (Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works). * *For more information about this licence, please read: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/.* _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 31 October 2011 21:24, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: I posted a question in the comment group[1] of Khan Academy[2], a great education website. In fact in this page on the wiki of the site[3] under Our Principles: the rules of the game, is said: Openness. [...] Open content means that all content distributed by or through the Khan Academy uses the CC-by-sa license (or a compatible license) [...] but actually in the footer of every page the is indicated a CC-3.0-NC-BY-SA license. So there must be a mistake somewhere, the point being that CC-BY-SA license would be compatible with Wikipedia and the other projects, which I think would be a great, valuable thing. Can somebody help me to clarify this point? I think it's important. Cristian [1] http://groups.google.com/group/khan-academy-comments/browse_thread/thread/41c7276786ab89da [2]www.khanacademy.org [3] https://sites.google.com/a/khanacademy.org/forge/home/mission-principles-and-values ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random
Perhaps she believes in fair tales, perhaps she was so used to see penis and percing in her life that was only one more, perhaps we would buy the crap you trying to selling us... ... all a question of probabilities ;) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 20 October 2011 13:06, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:44 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: I note that the TV shows the scenes after 9pm, or in other words they apply some filter on the content if only based on time. As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age with images worse than genital piercings. And, yes, she not only blushed but turned livid, But she kept on teaching us biology. ! Not saying what we did was right, as kids. Not saying she shouldn't have done more to get the stuff from being thrown about. But there is a point there about tolerances. If an elderly lady was able to keep teaching while being bombarded with images of withered old female genitals being inserted with electrical appliance cable stashing piping, why can't wikipedia? I know this sounds totally offensive on the face of it, but surely that is the whole point. Being against censorship only matters when there is a potential outrage there... Perhaps she considered that at her time in life a quite time was more preferable than to deal with a bunch of trollish kids, who shortly would be gone out of her life, and if they ended up failing biology that was their problem, after all she had her career and her pension was secure and the bell would go in a few minutes, and the little fuckers would be on their way home. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random
I'm still missing the goal of this thread. What do you people want? To know how many people see the porn section*** of Wikipedia or to remove those articles from Random article button and them make it a random article (but porn safe) button? Maybe if I start to complain about French villages (I get REALLY offended by them) we can create a Random article (but French Villages safe) and if someone complain about. to infinite. *** Porn is very different of nudity or anatomy. While I can understand you might fell offended by Group sex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_sexarticle (even without pictures and only with illustrations), I really can't place Nudity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity article (btw, this article has only back nudity, no frontal nudity here ;) ) or vaginahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginaarticle in the same category. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 19 October 2011 07:37, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 18/10/2011 15:14, Thomas Morton wrote: Just to clarify the technical details for those interested... the code is located here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRandompage.php?view=markup Ostensibly this gives (currently) 1 in 3,769,030 odds of coming across a particular page :) So how many times is the button pressed each day? If it gets pressed 4 million times a day, and there is only one porn page, then at least one person will have recieved porn. If there are 100 porn pages then 100 people will receive porn each day. So how many porn pages and how many button presses per day? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random
I would freaking LOVE to see the study who proves 90% of the population (btw, which population? USA, Americas, Europe, Asia, World, Wikipedians?) are offended by ANYTHING. If you show me, I myself change course in College and go study a way to create a filter. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 19 October 2011 10:23, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: I've said this before. I would like to not look at women with humongously oversize breasts (And yes, Dolly Parton, this means you too) or women with perfect teeth whitened to porcelain level shine, smiling with their teeth. If you must smile, do it with the lips, not the teeth. But am I going to get that from wikipedia. No chance. Should I get that from wikipedia. Emphatically no. As offensive as I find huge bazoomba-lollobrigidas, they should be served to me and to everyone else on wikipedia. Because we don't hide huge bosoms on wikipedia. Period. Let's not pretend that there's no difference between this sort of preference and a preference for not seeing medical things, or for not seeing nudity, or for not seeing things that are religiously offensive, or for not seeing PTSD triggers or whatever. It's not a black and white issue, and we need to exercise some common sense and praxis. You need to weigh the administrative burden of maintaining categorisation (along with any other consequences of offering personal opt-out to individual classes of images, such as interface clutter and, yes, the potential for use by totalitarian regimes) against the participatory benefits afforded by giving readers more choice about what they see. Because images are high impact, they are good candidates for personal, opt-in content filtering. There are certain classes of image that allow us to attack 90% of the problem – that is, nudity that causes embarrassment at work and in public places, gore and bodily functions that 90% of the general public are offended by, and triggers for medical conditions such as PTSD or vasovagal conditions. I don't think anybody is suggesting we run around and identify every last image that could possibly offend anybody. Sure, there's no *qualitative* difference between things that offend 90% of the general public and some arbitrary thing that you make up that offends you. But there sure as hell is a quantitative difference, and any nuanced perspective on this argument should have an understanding of this. In my opinion it's worth giving a simple way for people to avoid 90% of the things that they might be offended by. -- Andrew Garrett Wikimedia Foundation agarr...@wikimedia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random
problematic to who? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 19 October 2011 15:22, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: en.wp.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:37 AM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: So how many times is the button pressed each day? If it gets pressed 4 million times a day, and there is only one porn page, then at least one person will have recieved porn. If there are 100 porn pages then 100 people will receive porn each day. So how many porn pages and how many button presses per day? There are no porn pages. There are articles in an encyclopedia. What's the problem here? That there is a pornography project would be empirical evidence to the contrary. That a random page load can load pages with CBT images, genital piercings, or ejaculate leaking from or flowing over various body parts is also problematic. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random
/me does. And here is why: 70% of the problem with a image stands in WHO IS SEEING IT. I'm from Brazil and in my country we even have 1 week festival - worldwide famous - for have several (like hundreds to thousands) of semi naked girls and boys dancing Samba. And here is the catch. You know what the Television comment on that? (yes, is in public television and pass from 9pm to 8 am during 4 days + a retransmission on a saturday afternoon ), the comments are: Person X has a fantasy of YYY, Girl Z praticed samba for 4 months to that, and she is dancing really good or similar. I saw +15 festivals (before I was too young to be up at 10pm) and never saw as pornography. That is one the reasons I can tell you that nudity and porn are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. PS: A sock account? Really? Don't have balls to write with your own account? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 19 October 2011 19:24, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 19/10/2011 18:52, Fae wrote: Did I miss anything? Yes, could you clarify who were you trying to launch a personal attack on, or were you trying to offend everyone from a certain culture by showing how much you disrespect them? Disrespect? That is odd in odd word to use in a discussion where one side maintains that controversial content cannot be pre ascertained; that controversial content is culturally biased; that those so biased should be educated, against their will if necessary, to be more accepting towards content they find objectionable. The observation I made was directed at the observation that dumping random controversial images onto someone's computer screen was not a problem. I know of none that honestly hold that view, do you? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Grant agreements
I know they are posted in Chapters Wiki - not sure if they are in Internal Wiki. But is just ask some chapter to upload a copy in Commons (I don't have one, so I can't do it) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 14 October 2011 23:18, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. I asked about this a few days ago, but I don't think anyone ever responded. Are the grant agreements that the Wikimedia Foundation enters into posted anywhere? If so, where? If not, could someone post them, please? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Grant agreements
Oh sorry, is the opposite. *I know they are posted in Chapters Wiki - not sure if they are in Internal Wiki* should be I know they are posted in Internal Wiki - not sure if they are in Chapters Wiki _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 14 October 2011 23:51, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I know they are posted in Chapters Wiki - not sure if they are in Internal Wiki. But is just ask some chapter to upload a copy in Commons (I don't have one, so I can't do it) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 14 October 2011 23:18, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. I asked about this a few days ago, but I don't think anyone ever responded. Are the grant agreements that the Wikimedia Foundation enters into posted anywhere? If so, where? If not, could someone post them, please? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content
Julius, I do understand your feelings (believe me: I do) but screaming and offend the board (Like call them highly confused and amateur) will not help you in your cause. I do understand your anger against the board and their decision (even because your wiki decided to NOT have the filter.) but I think is better to try solve that with discussion first, and after - as a last change - you can start a war if you want. Please note that the board didn't said yet (and I hope they never say) that they will placed any filter in all wikis. I do agree that a statement saying they will not impose the filter in wikis who voted against (fr and de so far) would be better, but lest work with what we have now. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 10 October 2011 13:00, Julius Redzinski julius.redzin...@hotmail.dewrote: That can't be meant serious anymore. You first make a Board decision and then want to research how big the problem is or if it at all exists, after you already made the decision about the solution? The Board seems to act on a highly confused and amateur level ... it is not to understand anymore what is going on there. On such a decision the Board should have before making any decision researched really what raeders expect and want and this with empathy for different regions and the understanding that germany maybe has different needs than the arabic room and that a making them all the same is not a good idea, and not empathic at all. Before a Board decision there would have been to be a poll that really ask the right questions, not this fake thing with no impact at all. The way the Board acted on this and now not even says yes, we fucked it up, we take the decision back and start at point zero again is a shame for teh complete Wikimedia world and community. Second last point: Give back to the editors the responsibility to amke the choice how the can present their educational content to the readers. That is no Board decision. If a community says we don't need the filter, then the Board doesn't know any better about the needs and wishes of teh users of this project and shouldn't act into it this way. Last point: The Board should start fisrt thinking and then deciding. It would reduce much the danger of splitting the communities an the Wikipedias. The Board seems a little bit too american, first shooting by feeling threatend and then asking ... That is not the way the Board should work. So act responsible and take back the decision until a really good decision process would have been made through ... Julius Redzinski (de:Julius1990) On 10.10.2011 13:24, wrote Ting: Hello Fae, thank you very much for pointing this out. Yes, I think you indeed hit the nail. We discussed this problem on our meeting and Sue provided some plans on how to work on this problem. I am normally reluctant to comment what the staff is doing or what they are planning to do, because this often can be seen as an intervening of the staff activity. But I think it is ok for me to spoil this a bit now: So Sue suggests a two step approach. In the first step we will only collect reader reactions on images, to see if there is a problem at all, how big is the problem, and where are the problems. And on a second step, when we have those data and can work out an understanding of it, then we can go on to work out dedicated solutions for the problems, as I said in my letter, together with the community. Greetings Ting On 09.10.2011 23:55, wrote Fae: Hi Ting, Thanks for explaining the position of the board in your own words. I appreciate the board is listening. I am concerned that you state that the board is acting from belief, I recommend you consider how this can move to proposing a strategy based on facts and non-controversial analysis. I suspect that any proposal for change will be strongly resisted and continue to divide our community until well understood and well communicated facts underpin the board's resolution rather than personal belief. Cheers, Fae ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report
And more than 1 month after ... I'm still waiting for an answer. This answer will come? If no, you people mind to answer this mail with I don't know on it? So at least I will know someone read it. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 9 September 2011 11:52, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Mani, A question: when you say that ***Wikimedia chapters got the least favorable ratings (6.15) ... In addition, knowledge and involvement with chapters is low. 46% of respondents said that they didn’t know if there was a chapter in their country* Are you counting everyone? People from places with Chapters and without chapters? Because that would be a bit strange if someone answer that they know there is a chapter in a country that does not have one. There are any results filtered by places with chapter only? Rate, knowlegle and involvement in chapter from places where there are actually a chapter? Hi Mani Its been more than a week. Do you mind answering any of these questions above? I know people who are wondering about the same things in regard to the chapters and the survey. Thanks Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia
Not really Ray. And even so, the problem is not the fear of getting arrested, is more the cost of a law suit. In Italy (as in some other Latin countries) law suits are expensive (really, REALLY expensives) and take forever to end. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 October 2011 09:46, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 10/04/11 6:03 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: The question is that the server are in USA, but for the penal law it's sufficient to edit from the Italian country. I am in a special situation because I live in Switzerland and I publish in USA servers, but for the main numbers of Italian editors the question is not so easy. If they are so fearful they can use pseudonyms. They would then need to get a legal order from a US court to identify the users. Ray ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Answer: How do German women feel about the image filter?
FW-ing from Gender Gap ML (with the author permission.) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* -- Forwarded message -- From: Anneke Wolf anneke.w...@gmx.de Date: 30 September 2011 20:12 Subject: [Gendergap] Answer: How do German women feel about the image filter? Hello everybody, let me introduce myself to you. I'm a female editor and long time volunteer in the german wikipedia. To answer your question: I voted against the image filter and I didn't have a problem with the vulva picture on the front page (Ok, I saw better pictures on the front page over the years, but I was not shocked and did not think this was such a big thing). As far as I can overlook the recent discussions on the german wikipedia, the german blogosphere, facebook and a lot of personal talks I had to other female editors in the last weeks most of them thinks exactly the same. Why that? I don't know. Maybe because filters aren't very popular in germany at all, maybe it's because we have state schools with a curriculum in sexual education and you can see those pictures in your school books. Maybe that wasn't the answer you expected but I had the feeling I had to answer to this. Kind regards Anneke (Kellerkind) P.S. And, no, I'm not to shy to post on foundation-l but I'm not interested in subscribing _to_much_ mailinglists, so I'm happy to read the web-archives (And I will do exactly the same with this list after this post). ___ Gendergap mailing list gender...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters
said. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 30 September 2011 09:44, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The complete absence of mentioning the de:wp poll that was 85% against any imposed filter is just *weird*. The intro and footer of Sue's post say: The purpose of this post is not to talk specifically about the referendum results or the image hiding feature She also wrote in the comments: What I talk about in this post is completely independent of the filter, and it’s worth discussing (IMO) on its own merits So it's perhaps not surprising that she doesn't mention the de.wp poll regarding the filter in a post that she says is not about the filter. ;-) Now, it's completely fair to say that the filter issue remains the elephant in the room until it's resolved what will actually be implemented and how. And it's understandable that lots of people are responding accordingly. But I think it's pretty clear that Sue was trying to start a broader conversation in good faith. I know that she's done lots of thinking about the conversations so far including the de.wp poll, and she's also summarized some of this in her report to the Board: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Sue%27s_report_to_the_board/en#What_has_happened_since_the_referendum The broader conversation she's seeking to kick off in her blog post _can_, IMO, usefully inform the filter conversation. What Sue is saying is that we sometimes fail to take the needs and expectations of our readers fully into account. Whether you agree with her specific examples or not, this is certainly generally true in a community where decisions are generally made by whoever happens to show up, and sometimes the people who show up are biased, stupid or wrong. And even when the people who show up are thoughtful, intelligent and wise, the existing systems, processes and expectations may lead them to only be able to make imperfect decisions. Let me be specific. Let's take the good old autofellatio article, which was one of the first examples of an article with a highly disputed explicit image on the English Wikipedia (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autofellatio/Archive_1 ). If you visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autofellatio , you'll notice that there are two big banners: Wikipedia is not censored and If you find some images offensive you can configure your browser to mask them, with further instructions. Often, these kinds of banners come into being because people (readers and active editors) find their way to the talk page and complain about an image being offensive. They are intended to do two things: Explain our philosophy, but also give people support in making more informed choices. This is, in other words, the result of reasonable discussion by thoughtful, intelligent and wise people about how to deal with offensive images (and in some cases, text). And yet, it's a deeply imperfect solution. The autofellatio page has been viewed 85,000 times in September. The associated discussion page has been viewed 400 times. The options not to see an image page, which is linked from many many of these pages, has been viewed 750 times. We can reasonably hypothesize without digging much further into the data that there's a significant number of people who are offended by images they see in Wikipedia but who don't know how to respond, and we can reasonably hypothesize that the responses that Wikipedians have conceived so far to help them have been overall insufficient in doing so. It would be great to have much more data -- but again, I think these are reasonable hypotheses. The image filter in an incarnation similar to the one that's been discussed to-date is one possible response, but it's not the only one. Indeed, nothing in the Board resolution prescribes a complex system based on categories that exists adjacent to normal mechanisms of editorial control. An alternative would be, for example, to give Wikipedians a piece of wiki syntax that they can use to selectively make images hideable on specific articles. Imagine visiting the article Autofellatio and seeing small print at the top that says: This article contains explicit images that some readers may find objectionable. [[Hide all images on this page]]. As requested by the Board resolution, it could then be trivial to selectively unhide specific images. If desired, it could be made easy to browse articles with that setting on-by-default, which would be similar to the way the Arabic Wikipedia handles some types of controversial content ( cf. http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D8%B6%D8%B9_%D8%AC%D9
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
*Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free to comment at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Templates -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman
Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page
M. Williamson, the only way to see the Main Page in other language is log in, going to http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences and change it to Spanish (which I'm guessing is your native language). As a IP is impossible (at least for me) and before someone complain: Yes, I'm sure my IP is identified as been Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 10:28, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, my browser language is Spanish and I got the page in English. Also, in response to Gerard's comment: Obviously, you can select any language you like. - well, where? Where is the language selector? I don't see it anywhere. There doesn't appear to be a language list, a selector, a button or anything like that... 2011/9/29 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com *Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. * No it doesn't. I live in Portugal and my Firefox and my Opera are in Portuguese and - If I don't log in - they only show me the English version of Main Page. If I do log in, I see the Portuguese one because my language - In Special:Preferences - is Portuguese. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 29 September 2011 05:23, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Easy.. we recognise where someone is coming from ... check the browser language and dependend on all this we serve what is likely a good match. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/28 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com Translatewiki.net doesn't seem to be much more usable to people who don't speak English, coming at it from the front page. Imagine you don't speak English, how do you suppose you go from http://translatewiki.net/ to a page with instructions or content in your language? One needs at least rudimentary English skills to be able to figure it out, which is an unsatisfactory solution for what is supposed to be an international project. 2011/9/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, The main page at translatewiki.net is not less complicated imho. However, it has been localised and we know quite precisely what the state of the translations is. We can pinpoint precisely what needs doing. Thanks, GerardM 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/de http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/en http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page/Template/es Few examples of the new meta main page in its templated form which allows easier translation. Most translations are greatly outdated unfortunately making them essentially useless. A divide and conquer strategy was applied. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Oh, I was proposing something simpler than what I had on my commons userpage. Consider something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/Gen v http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/de Translators only /care/ about the text rather than the style issues and etc. It is difficult enough finding people who can translate but expecting them to understand complex use of html, templates and etc is just too much. The feature you mentioned would indeed be a positive thing to keep these pages up to date. We could also have generic translations. For example we expect steward elections frequently, likewise we expect a wikimania each year. It would only make sense if these current events are templated on their own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) 2011/9/27 Mono mium monom...@gmail.com Might make sense. 2011/9/26 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com Meta main page seems to be not very multi-lingual because it appears to be difficult to update. Each translation is more or less outdated and often with an outdated/older style. I propose a template structure where style info is removed into a template and translations only deal with words. Feel free
Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter
+1 _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 21 September 2011 08:11, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Thoughts? I am against anything that validates the image filter. I still believe that the filter is against the mission of the foundation. -- Fajro +1 -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?
No. You can see all the questions here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Vote_interface/en _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 17 September 2011 13:08, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I can't remember - was user gender a question in the survey? I don't remember... Thanks :) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 13 September 2011 11:26, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:39:52 +0300, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Naoko, Thanks for your pointers. What I'm seeing this year is that in order to go global, we'll probably need around 10 people to coordinate the event (I'm thinking that this year there were only 2 people involved in all the steps and a few more that helped in different areas). This means that it's not too early to start talking about WLM2012, but perhaps a better place for this is the WikiLovesMonuments lists. We would like to see you participate in discussions there :) Is there a public WLM list open for discussion? Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
*I do see two other problems with WLM, which are (...) involvement of the chapters as a precondition * Be organized by a Chapter is *not* a condition. The Andorra WLM is organized by Amicalhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Associaci%C3%B3_Amical_Viquip%C3%A8dia(who is not a chapter). If any country want to participate next year, you people don't want to have a chapter to organize it. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 12 September 2011 06:49, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:51:33 +0900, KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com wrote: Off topic alert: I haven't given a closer look to your main topic, Milos, so I cannot give a responsible statement in any way. But your reference to Wiki Loves Monuments, while I agree it's heavily Europe-focused, I strongly disagree with you on its decadency, as an (retired) aesthetic. While the determination what artworks are heavily depends on the community to appreciate, so partly I understand your concern, if WLM is carried on only by European chapter people, it can hardly of NPOV at some future moment, but artworks belong to the critical part of the sum of human knowledge along with the information who created them and then have appreciated or rejected them. Only countries which have lists of monuments compiled by the government and having the status of the law are eligible for WLM. This is in some sense POV but no more POV than say writing articles of members of parliament who were elected by direct vote. If Japan has such a list (I hope it does) next year it would be eligible to participate. My understanding is that somehow the organizers did not expect such interest and did not try to contact chapters outside Europe. Presumably next year they will do. On the other hand, by the next year some of the European countries may exhaust their monuments (in the sense that the most of the pictures will be taken and the articles written or judged to be impossible to write). Thus, NPOV does not seem to be a problem to me. I do see two other problems with WLM, which are (i) competition format, which implicitly stimulates certain strategies we normally do not want to stimulate; (ii) involvement of the chapters as a precondition - some countries do not have chapters, some chapters showed no interest, some were unable to organize anything in the end. But I am not sure such discussion belongs to this thread. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced
*Objecting to this isn't a question of being prudish or of censorship, or of being anti-wiki. But if we want to attract (...) women editors, editors from outside the majority cultures on Wikipedia (...) this kind of thing is obviously very off-putting. So we risk limiting our reach by not dealing with it. * Speak for yourself. Like i told before in Gender Gap list, remove the porn/naked images will not solve gender gap. And about culture - forgive me - but the only people who seems concerned about remove those images from wiki are AFAIS american. *Béria Lima* (PS.: IF you want to see some really bad naked/porn images, who shouldn't be in Wikipédia, talk with a Commons admin - even a female admin like me saw thinks 100 times worst than a naked girl showing her 8 months pregancy belly that you are complaining so much abouthttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2011-September/001308.html ) On 8 September 2011 04:58, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 05:35, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: But we do peer review images after they have been uploaded on Commons or Wikipedia. It seems that, 10 years after Wikipedia and its sisters have been created, you still do not understand that there are wikis. Regards, Yann Yann, I yesterday looked at the Veganism article, only to find a photograph in the infobox, not of yummy tofu scramble as before, but a close-up of a woman's genitals, with a vibrator and what looked like a man's fingers. I clicked on it, and saw it was being hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, uploaded from Flickr by the Flickr upload bot. Objecting to this isn't a question of being prudish or of censorship, or of being anti-wiki. But if we want to attract mature editors, women editors, editors from outside the majority cultures on Wikipedia, and serious readers, this kind of thing is obviously very off-putting. So we risk limiting our reach by not dealing with it. Sarah ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
*My boss (...) can't open the pregnancy article at work because the intro is NSFW our workplace. * I'm sorry but i don't find the problem in this article. *I can't open the [[vagina]] article at work either, because of the really in your face photo of a vagina when you open it up * The article is about vagina. The only picture there who might be NSFW is this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Azvag.jpg who only shows what are the anatomy of a vagina. I find very educational. And BTW, if you don't want to see a vagina, don't open the article. *who is totally grossed out by that photo on the vagina article, gahhh, surely she can't be the only one! * No it was not. There are in fact a category in commons ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vagina ) and in that category i found the image who replaced the Image you dislike so muchhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Human_vulva_with_visible_vaginal_opening.jpg. But not because you don't like, because the one in the article now is more clear. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 6 September 2011 15:15, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Does your feminism excludes necessity for sexual education? No, but, I can send you some pictures on Commons that have been speedy keeps of strippers with their legs spread wide because they are educational and high quality. My boss, who is bound to have a baby any day now, can't open the pregnancy article at work because the intro is NSFW our workplace. I can't open the [[vagina]] article at work either, because of the really in your face photo of a vagina when you open it up, however, I can totally read the intro to [[penis]] since there isn't a big giant penis in one's face upon opening it. I work in an educational environment (a museum institution, which has exhibits on sexuality, gender, etc) and I can't even look at these articles at work, take that as you will. Sarah who is totally grossed out by that photo on the vagina article, gahhh, surely she can't be the only one! -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for the Wikimedia Foundationhttp://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced
Blame the wording of the survey for not be clear enough? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 4 September 2011 11:35, Mikael mikae...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand: I think it is important not to... isn't necessarily interpreted the same as I think it is not important to Which of those answers was meant by the respondents that chose 0? \Mike On 04/09 2011 11:17, David Gerard wrote: On 4 September 2011 05:33, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: The committee running the vote on the features for the Personal Image Filter have released their interim report and vote count. You may see the results at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Results/en. The bimodal distribution in the first graph suggests this feature will continue to be controversial (to say the least), with fans saying we had the majority and foes saying there is clearly not a consensus. So. What happens now? - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
not that difficult to find. Slides: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2011_presentation_slides Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 3 September 2011 10:02, Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi there, I think WMF should set up some quality measures to make sure there actually is some reasonable online output from every Wikimedia conference. There might be thousands of editors not being able to attend but wanting to watch what was going on. Now you have to dig and beg for any slides or video on Commons. I do not know the decision process for a location but so far almost every host failed miserably to deliver some reasonable online content like videos and slides from the presentations. Kozuch ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
You know how many videos are there to be uploaded? How big those videos are? And you know what the organizers are doing since Wikimania ends? No one of the videos can go to Wikimedia Commons without a bugzilla request. And btw, all presentations can be uploaded in commons by the speakers. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/9/3 Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz I knew about these links. What I say is its a tragedy that people have to upload files by themselves and there is no streamlined process of: 1) creating the media centrally (in case of video) 2) getting it online all at once That is all. Původní zpráva Od: Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com Předmět: Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa) Datum: 03.9.2011 11:07:40 not that difficult to find. Slides: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2011_presentation_slides Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 3 September 2011 10:02, Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi there, I think WMF should set up some quality measures to make sure there actually is some reasonable online output from every Wikimedia conference. There might be thousands of editors not being able to attend but wanting to watch what was going on. Now you have to dig and beg for any slides or video on Commons. I do not know the decision process for a location but so far almost every host failed miserably to deliver some reasonable online content like videos and slides from the presentations. Kozuch ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
Just for your information: I did not go to Wikimania 2011 (or any of the previous one), so please don't put anyone in the list of people with the luxury to attending international conferences every year. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/9/3 M. Williamson node...@gmail.com A bit disappointed to see posts like this. Most of us don't have the luxury of attending international conferences every year, but that doesn't mean we're not interested to know what happened there. Videos should be uploaded and most popular presentations should be subtitled into the most popular languages (I recognize that subtitling long videos is a huge time suck for volunteers- but in an *ideal* world this would happen) 2011/9/3 Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com You know how many videos are there to be uploaded? How big those videos are? And you know what the organizers are doing since Wikimania ends? No one of the videos can go to Wikimedia Commons without a bugzilla request. And btw, all presentations can be uploaded in commons by the speakers. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/9/3 Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz I knew about these links. What I say is its a tragedy that people have to upload files by themselves and there is no streamlined process of: 1) creating the media centrally (in case of video) 2) getting it online all at once That is all. Původní zpráva Od: Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com Předmět: Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa) Datum: 03.9.2011 11:07:40 not that difficult to find. Slides: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2011_presentation_slides Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 3 September 2011 10:02, Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi there, I think WMF should set up some quality measures to make sure there actually is some reasonable online output from every Wikimedia conference. There might be thousands of editors not being able to attend but wanting to watch what was going on. Now you have to dig and beg for any slides or video on Commons. I do not know the decision process for a location but so far almost every host failed miserably to deliver some reasonable online content like videos and slides from the presentations. Kozuch ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
*If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communication interface. * 35 people from WMF to observ every single chapter? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 2 September 2011 21:02, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 9/2/2011 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is any value to having a WMF appointee on your board; such a person would find it difficult to function under circumstances of perpetual conflict of interest. No other chapter has such a clause. I had never thought of this before, but now that it has been mentioned, I just wanted to disagree, quite respectfully because Ray is awesome of course, and say that I think it is a very interesting idea to have a WMF appointee on the boards of chapters. There should be very few cases where there is a conflict of interest since chapters and the Foundation are deeply tied together always (and that's a good thing). I think having a Foundation representative on the board of chapters does present some possibly insurmountable logistical issues (who will they be?) but I actually think such an arrangement might be incredibly valuable for improving communication and *decreasing* perceived conflicts of interest. --Jimbo I can not help commenting a bit more on the matter of conflict of interest. I think I can probably say more on the matter than most people here. First because I pushed a LOT for the adoption of a COI policy on the board of WMF. And this generated lot's of painful discussions between you, Michael and I. In particular with regards to your involvement with Wikia. For those reading whose memories may not be quite long enough - I assume Florence is referring to Michael Davis here, not to me. The conflict of interest policy was adopted in 2006, before I was on the board. I just thought it would help to make the distinction explicit, as it wouldn't be the first time somebody has gotten us confused. Meanwhile, on the subject of mutual board appointments between chapters and the foundation, I figured I'd chime in as I helped push the idea for chapters to select foundation board members in the first place. For one thing, there's a very different power dynamic between the chapters collectively choosing a couple members of the foundation's board, and the foundation solely choosing a member of an individual chapter's board. The chapter-appointed seats cannot really be controlled outside of the selection process itself, so those board members can act as freely as their colleagues, and certainly no single chapter can force them to act in a particular way. This is partly by design, since the ultimate fiduciary obligations of those board members are still to the foundation rather than a chapter, and is why we emphasized that they are not necessarily being selected as representatives of the chapters. However, somebody appointed to a chapter board by the foundation would be directly answerable to the foundation, and it could be fairly easy to argue that they are an agent of the foundation. It undermines the organizational independence much more dramatically. If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communication interface. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
And Jan-Bart and Kul knows about European and Asia laws? Jean-Bart and Kul can go to General Assemblies? Jean Bart speak the 12-15 languages spoken in European Chapters (i will not even mention how many languages Kul would need to know to be the Asia representant)? Jan-Bart and Kul would decide what is in the best insterest of the board they would be part in the chapter or the for the interest of WMF? And How many laws we need to change to allow them to be part of boards? because many laws forbid foreigners to be board members (some laws - Like in India) forbid even to be chapters members. I'm sure we can come up with better ways to solve WMF- Chapters communications issues that this. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 2 September 2011 21:59, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communication interface. * 35 people from WMF to observ every single chapter? It's not a full-time job, since being a board member is not supposed to be a full-time job either. I could imagine something like appointing Jan-Bart as the observer for all European chapters, or Barry for all Asian chapters (not that observers would necessarily have to be Wikimedia board or staff). Again, I don't know that this is really the best solution, but it's not completely impractical to arrange if such a direction is chosen. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
Errata: When i say Kul, i mean Barry. Sorry. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 2 September 2011 22:11, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: And Jan-Bart and Kul knows about European and Asia laws? Jean-Bart and Kul can go to General Assemblies? Jean Bart speak the 12-15 languages spoken in European Chapters (i will not even mention how many languages Kul would need to know to be the Asia representant)? Jan-Bart and Kul would decide what is in the best insterest of the board they would be part in the chapter or the for the interest of WMF? And How many laws we need to change to allow them to be part of boards? because many laws forbid foreigners to be board members (some laws - Like in India) forbid even to be chapters members. I'm sure we can come up with better ways to solve WMF- Chapters communications issues that this. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 2 September 2011 21:59, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: *If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communication interface. * 35 people from WMF to observ every single chapter? It's not a full-time job, since being a board member is not supposed to be a full-time job either. I could imagine something like appointing Jan-Bart as the observer for all European chapters, or Barry for all Asian chapters (not that observers would necessarily have to be Wikimedia board or staff). Again, I don't know that this is really the best solution, but it's not completely impractical to arrange if such a direction is chosen. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report
Mani, A question: when you say that ***Wikimedia chapters got the least favorable ratings (6.15) ... In addition, knowledge and involvement with chapters is low. 46% of respondents said that they didn’t know if there was a chapter in their country* Are you counting everyone? People from places with Chapters and without chapters? Because that would be a bit strange if someone answer that they know there is a chapter in a country that does not have one. There are any results filtered by places with chapter only? Rate, knowlegle and involvement in chapter from places where there are actually a chapter? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 30 August 2011 01:14, Mani Pande mpa...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey everyone, I wanted to share the final report from the Editor Survey. It is available as a PDF and in wiki format. You can find the links to the PDF and wiki report here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey_2011 Here is the accompanying blog post on release of the report and data: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/08/29/report-for-editor-survey-april-2011/ Our report is a first cut at data analysis, and we are hoping that community members and researchers will conduct additional analysis. To facilitate further analysis we are releasing raw anonymized data from the survey. The raw data is available in data dumps, if you are interested in delving into the data and conducting analysis, you can find it here: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/surveys/editorsurvey2011/* * Along with the CSV file, we have also made available the codebook and accompanying documentation on methodology for data anonymization. * *Thanks* *in advance, Mani -- Mani Pande, PhD Head of Global Development Research Wikimedia Foundation 415-882-7981 ext 6721 Twitter: manipande Skype: manipande ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report
They would Yaroslav. The answer is exactly to that question :P My question is to know how many people don't know there is a chapter in a country with a chapter. That info is more relevant to chapters members than the total number of answer about that. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 30 August 2011 12:25, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Are you counting everyone? People from places with Chapters and without chapters? Because that would be a bit strange if someone answer that they know there is a chapter in a country that does not have one. But they had an option to answer that they know there is no chapter in their country, from what I understand. Then they would not land in this 46% cut. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters
*That depends on what you mean by affected, really. I don't think it will be just WMDE participating in the fundraiser. The WMF has said that it intends to abide by existing agreements, which several chapters had signed before Wikimania. * AFAIK, yes. Only WMDE will run fundraising. All chapters who signed the agreement before wikimania received a Grant Agreement to replace the fundraising one, and all chapters who should had signed the agreement in Wikimania were adviced to do a normal grant. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 28 August 2011 18:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 August 2011 18:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 August 2011 14:40, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Has it been worked out how many chapters will be affected by this change? All except WMDE. That depends on what you mean by affected, really. I don't think it will be just WMDE participating in the fundraiser. The WMF has said that it intends to abide by existing agreements, which several chapters had signed before Wikimania. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikilovesmonuments
is not a WMF event. And all of the sites have the country code in the end. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 26 August 2011 12:34, billy joel billyonl...@hotmail.nl wrote: Yes, I understood that. But I think its kind of stupid that the foundation didn't buy the .com domain and that it was possible to hijack it... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] IRC office hours with Sue Gardner, Thursday 8/18
Only to remind people that the Office hours will start in 12 min ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 17 August 2011 00:35, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Greetings all, Just a quick notice that this Thursday the 18th at 17:00 UTC there will be an IRC office hours with Sue Gardner. We haven't set a specific topic, so feel free to come with your burning questions in mind. ;-) As usual, instructions and other notes are available on Meta.[1] Thank you, -- Steven Walling Fellow at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org 1. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/IRC_office_hours ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?
Not yet. So far you can find some videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL But they will be in Commons soon _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 10 August 2011 02:40, Waihorace waihor...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Dear all, Are the Wikimania 2011 video on YouTube aviliable on Wikimedia Commons? Where is the link? Thanks. HW@zhwp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters
*in fact, I even want to help the Dutch chapter with the project on taking pictures of State Monuments - it would be very helpful if someone mails me offlist or indicates on my Wiki page if there is any information on what is needed * The Wiki page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011 The Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WikiLovesMonuments And the Website: http://wikilovesmonuments.eu But as you can see, is not only the Dutch people. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 9 August 2011 16:48, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: It is true however that many chapters do important work for the local projects, and serve their local needs in the sense of activities, press contacts and fundraising in a more effective way (less culturally challanging, more sensitive to what works locally and better in touch with other activities and situations). Not all chapters do this in the same extent, and not all do it similarly good. But that is the idea of a chapter - it is not a fanclub organizing beer events only to have fun. Best regards, Lodewijk Right, I know that the Chapters are doing some very useful stuff (in fact, I even want to help the Dutch chapter with the project on taking pictures of State Monuments - it would be very helpful if someone mails me offlist or indicates on my Wiki page if there is any information on what is needed), but I believe that to say, as Brigitte does, that the Chapters should lead the movement is to stretch it way over the limits. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
MZM, WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't ask for more than that because there are 2 different organizations. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 August 2011 18:06, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: phoebe ayers wrote: The Board of Trustees has recently reviewed our fundraising model and issues related to the way donor funds are received. This review followed detailed discussions among the Board's Audit Committee and with our outside auditors, which highlighted issues about the level of financial controls over donor funds that go directly to the chapters who act as payment processors. This review focused on the model established last year, under which donors in certain countries are exclusively directed to the local chapter during the annual fundraiser. In our 2010-2011 year, about $4M net went directly to 12 chapters, representing roughly 15% of the total funds donated to the movement. There are several problems with this model, and with the current fundraising situation. Some chapters have received large sums of money early in their organizational lives, before they have built the capacity and financial controls to safeguard and best use those resources in pursuit of the mission. Some chapters have received many times their planned budget in a single fundraiser. Additionally, in some countries, transferring funds internationally has been limited by regulatory constraints. There are also currently no movement-wide controls applied consistently to all entities that receive donor funds. Some chapters, despite being well-funded, have not reported in a timely way on their activities, their financial status, and their use of donor funds, or have had difficulties following the regulatory requirements of their countries. This fundraising model has also contributed to significant resource disparity among chapters. Some of the largest fundraising chapters have revenue far greater than their stated need and capacity to spend, while other chapters receive revenue only from Foundation grants or have almost no revenue at all. The model also suggests that chapters are entitled to funds proportional to the wealth of their regions, which amplifies the gap between the Global North and South. I think it's great that the Board is looking into this. I was vaguely aware of the problem and it's certainly one that needs to be addressed. I have two questions from your post: * Is there a breakdown of the amount of money given to chapters from the past fundraiser? A chart or something somewhere? There definitely should be and I imagine there is, but I wouldn't be able to locate it off-hand. * Have any chapters been asked to give money back? If so, what has been the response? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. And - again - WMF don't give money to chapters in fundraising. The chapter earn it alone. And the only thing to be in the way is the fundraising agreement. Who - again - says that 50% goes to WMF and 50% stay with the chapter. If that 50% is more than what the chapter need, is not WMF job to ask the money back, because - again - the money don't belong to WMF. I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing with the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about what they are doing, but WMF does not have a policy status over that. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 August 2011 21:48, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Béria Lima wrote: WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't ask for more than that because there are 2 different organizations. I'm sorry, I don't follow. It's my understanding that some of these chapters received tens of thousands of dollars. In some cases, as noted by the Board, this far exceeded the chapter's needs. If that's the case, I'm not sure why it would be out-of-the-question to ask for some of the money back. There might be reasons that the chapters don't want to or aren't required to, but I don't see any reason why the Wikimedia Foundation couldn't ask. Can you clarify? (And to all those chapter-related people and Wikimedia Foundation staff currently discussing this on internal-l, could you please try to honor the transparency and accountability that Wikimedia was founded upon and discuss this on the public list?) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
*Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people who are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they were the ones to donate the money. * 1. People who donate money are mostly NOT on fundation-l and 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports (if you want to read) *The chapters earned the money by doing what, exactly? * Same thing Fundation do. *Do you know if there's a chart listing how much money each chapter received (or earned) from the past fundraiser? Is there a list of the chapters that were involved, at least? * Yes and is public. https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av5TeXEyGuvpdGRyNDJHS19RZmRqbWlqeHp5ak5uWncauthkey=CKb59_wDhl=pt_PT#gid=0 _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 August 2011 22:01, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Béria Lima wrote: The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people who are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they were the ones to donate the money. And - again - WMF don't give money to chapters in fundraising. The chapter earn it alone. And the only thing to be in the way is the fundraising agreement. Who - again - says that 50% goes to WMF and 50% stay with the chapter. If that 50% is more than what the chapter need, is not WMF job to ask the money back, because - again - the money don't belong to WMF. The chapters earned the money by doing what, exactly? I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing with the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about what they are doing, but WMF does not have a policy status over that. Do you know if there's a chart listing how much money each chapter received (or earned) from the past fundraiser? Is there a list of the chapters that were involved, at least? MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of Chapter Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your people curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are public. Only particular details are handle in private _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 August 2011 22:09, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing with the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about what they are doing, but WMF does not have a policy status over that. Well, right now many chapters fail to handle such basic transparency thing like publishing an annual report (seriously, look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports ). If they fail, Wikimedia Foundation, as an organization that empowers them to collect money through the banners, may act as an oversight and revoke that privilege. I do not believe that this is the proper process to do that, but I certainly agree that it is what to be done. --vvv ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
You don't need to defend me Theo. Nathan and MZM: If you want to know how much each chapter has earned and spent, there are reports (nathan himself pointed to the page). If you have any questions about Internal-l adress it to internal-l-ow...@list.wikimedia.org (I'm sure they will answer you) If you want to ask about my chapter (Wikimedia Portugal) the reports are here: http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2009 and here: http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2010 _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 5 August 2011 22:27, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have far more authority to comment on the matter than her. Theo On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Beria, I don't think your views on transparency as stated mesh all that well with the character of this list. I'd suspect the same is true of the wider community of editors and donors; the assertion that details be discussed in private is both improper and at distinct odds with the history of the WMF. If chapters prefer that their actions not be subject to the oversight of the WMF and Wikimedia community, then they should do their own fundraising and develop their own trademarks. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of Chapter Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your people curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are public. Only particular details are handle in private _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Start questions and answers site within Wikimedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ is not enough? _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/7/21 Jan Kucera (Kozuch) garba...@seznam.cz Hi there, I propose to start a QA system within Wikimedis. We need a central place for help. Getting an advise is too complicated now if a person has very diverse questions, he/she needs to look for various wiki discussion pages. Not very easy for newbies. Could be inspired by the help site of OpenStreetMap. Following bug was filled: Install QA system at help.en.wikipedia.org https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 Discussion and hopefully creation of the site is more that welcome. Thanks for your support! Cheers, Kozuch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kozuch ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Going to far
Huib, the OC knows where the edit button is... I'm pretty sure they can remove all libel info if they think they should. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/7/19 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com Did you even read the E-mail? How should the Ombudsman commission handle this case, it are administrators copying personal information into Wikimedia Wiki's... 2011/7/18 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Huib Laurens wrote: I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on this list can make something happen. I can't imagine you regret sending this e-mail as much as I regret trying to parse it. From what I can tell, this list isn't the appropriate forum. Whatever your issue is, it's buried beneath a wall of text and what appears to be years of antics on your part. If you have reason to believe that the Wikimedia privacy policy has been violated, you should contact the Ombudsman commission: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission. If you would like to have certain information removed from a particular Wikimedia wiki, you can try contacting the wiki's oversighters or Arbitration Committee. If you've ruined or soured those relationships to the point that those individuals are unwilling to respond, then that's a bed of your own making and you'll simply have to live with the consequences of your actions. You're also free to contact individual members of Wikimedia Foundation staff or OTRS, but there doesn't appear to be much (if anything) that needs to be discussed that relates to the purpose or mission of this mailing list. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
I would personally recomend you people to send your questions to RonaldBhttp://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:RonaldB(the *one and only* person who receive those datas) I'm not dutch, but that system is in place since Jully 2007http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sokpopdiff=nextoldid=8590452, and Huib is the first one to complain about it - a 4 years working system with only 1 complain seems to be just fine to me. _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/7/10 Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com Seem to work though. Does it? Where is the evidence for this? I'm not being hasty in forming a firm judgement here - other than to say it doesn't, on the face of it, seem like a good idea for a project to be doing this. And if the details of the handling of private data is well outlined and confined it could be a good thing to have. Indeed, if. But again, no word or evidence of such things so far. I do think this is a serious problem that needs investigating: - The argument that this is essentially an optional function is not really appealing, and is easily said by those who are not blocked. Saying if you want to edit send a stranger your identity does not sit comfortably with me. (this is just my personal view, but I include it for completeness) - Saying this is disconnected from Wikipedia/the Foundation is a red herring - it is organised via the website, so for any user utilising this service it looks to some extent official. The Foundation have a reasonable duty of care to its users and at this point they are not able to properly audit or oversight the handling of personal details. - The whole idea is a false flag anyway because identity is beyond trivial to fake. So, it is not about identity, but about some slightly high barrier of action for an individual to take - the idea being it filters out the more casual bad guys. In which case; a more suitable alternative to identity could be used. Perhaps a hand written letter asking for an unblock? That seems much better system. - EU data protection laws *explicitly* apply to the handling of personal data by private individuals. And as an enabling medium Dutch Wikipedia could easily also be considered a controller within the scope of the law (they are intentionally very broad). This means if the data does end up being misused then it will be a major blow; hence it seems sensible to require some investigation of this process. -- As an addendum to that the process described on the Dutch Wikipedia at the very least need to comply with EU directives. For example the person processing the data must reveal his name and address (I realise that is likely to happen, but I see no clarity on the matter and no oversight to ensure this occurs) and the details of *precisely* what will be done with the data need to be published (and kept to) -- We need to establish (prefferably with a lawyer) to what extent this process is considered necessary or relevant; because if it is one or neither then it is non-compliant. There is also an extended risk here; something simple like an admin unblocks the account of Bram van Rijn and, when unblocking him, says There you go Bram, enjoy editing!. Something simple and innocent is now non-compliant. For that reason people handling identity in a capacity relating to Wikipedia, even semi-officially, need to be well vetted. I have argued this before several times in relation to other such things on English Wikipedia, and I realise my view may be stronger than the majorities. But in this case it appears not even a cursory check is being undertaken. Tom ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikis around Europe!
sadly, there are no one in Portuguese territory :( _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* 2011/6/29 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:59 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I forward this e-mail, I hope there are people interested on this map. -- Forwarded message -- From: emijrp emi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/6/11 Subject: Wikis around Europe! To: wikiteam-disc...@googlegroups.com Hi all; A friend of mine has sent me this link about wikis (locapedias) around Europe.[1] I'm very surprised about the huge amount of wikis available. Time to archive all of them.[2] I have been working on Spanish ones. If you want to help archiving one country, please, reply to this message to coordinate. If not, I will try to archive entire Europe! Regards, emijrp [1] http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8t=hmsa=0msid=115570622864617231547.00044e461c185a89b6d71ll=49.095452,14.677734spn=39.93254,79.013672z=4 [2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ very nice map. it would be nice to have these all listed on http://wikiindex.org and wikiindex could add geo information so that this map can be maintained by wikiindex. it would also be neat for wikiindex to list the date of the last wikiteam archive of that wiki, so that we can automatically work out which wikis need to be archived next. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
