Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:42:00PM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:27:34AM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call some time ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. I've used it too, but more like six years ago. I have not kept notes on the version numbers, just one day noticed Ctrl-Q not working anymore after an update. But I would guess it was sometime around the 1.x - 2.x transition. Maybe it's a Windows version thing, because I haven't been using 2.x for a while on FreeBSD, but I'm still using Ctrl-Q. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Coline MacDonald: Don't burn your bridges while you're standing on them. pgpvBr1FPqFyo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:15:15AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call some time ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. The FreeBSD machine with Firefox is down but here on Windows, using a stock 3.0.13, Ctl-Q has no effect. Nor is it listed as a shortcut for Exit under the [File] menu. Have you perhaps customized yours? Now doing Ctl-W on the last window will close the program, but I like to keep the two separate; this is one (C list) reason I usually use SeaMonkey. I don't have any custom keyboard shortcuts set up. It Just Works™. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. pgpavxt4M41mk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri,08/07/09 [09:32:38], Daniel Underwood wrote: I'd really love to see chromium ported over. ditto. But now I'm pretty happy with that new firefox-3.5 which seems pretty faster than previous version and still light enough for my old 1.6G celeron-powered laptop. -- Best regards, Jeff | Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ... | | Xorg.conf(5)| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:55:08 +0400, Jeff Laine wtf.jla...@gmail.com wrote: But now I'm pretty happy with that new firefox-3.5 which seems pretty faster than previous version and still light enough for my old 1.6G celeron-powered laptop. May I guess what I should consider light enough for my uber-old ancient 0.5G AMD powered laptop? :-) By the way: In order to find out which browser is *really* lightweight, fast and still easy to use, responsive and standard compliant, you should try running it on *really* old hardware. If it runs there good enough so you would use it, it will be blazing fast on your modern hardware of today. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
ditto. But now I'm pretty happy with that new firefox-3.5 which seems pretty faster than previous version and still light enough for my old 1.6G celeron-powered laptop. Nice. I haven't tried 3.5 yet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:55:08AM +0400, Jeff Laine wrote: On Fri,08/07/09 [09:32:38], Daniel Underwood wrote: I'd really love to see chromium ported over. ditto. But now I'm pretty happy with that new firefox-3.5 which seems pretty faster than previous version and still light enough for my old 1.6G celeron-powered laptop. I'd love to see Chromium on FreeBSD too -- in part because I'm sick and fucking tired of the growing rate of Firefox issues as time goes on. It's getting too fat and complex for stable, reliable use of the sort I want. I managed to solve all my Firefox 3.5 problems by upgrading to 3.0 again. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth markinct @techrepublic.com: Don't take anything you do on-line lightly. Caveat Clicker... pgpvpq90QpGM8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:27:34AM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call some time ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. I've used it too, but more like six years ago. I have not kept notes on the version numbers, just one day noticed Ctrl-Q not working anymore after an update. But I would guess it was sometime around the 1.x - 2.x transition. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:27:34AM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call some time ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. pgpY71B2GUJvs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I wouldn't recommend Arora as a lightweight browser to anyone who isn't already using applications built with the Qt toolkit. If you're a KDE user, it may be a good choice; if you aren't, it spectacularly fails at least one category of lightweight qualification, generally speaking. For that reason, I have not given Arora a try myself: I have found nothing compelling enough about any Qt applications to justify installing them and, along with them, the Qt GUI toolkit libraries (and any other KDE libraries the app in question might pull in). Your mileage, of course, may vary. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Thomas McCauley: The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out. pgp8nmptv2uMt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Chad Perrin wrote: Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call some time ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. The FreeBSD machine with Firefox is down but here on Windows, using a stock 3.0.13, Ctl-Q has no effect. Nor is it listed as a shortcut for Exit under the [File] menu. Have you perhaps customized yours? Now doing Ctl-W on the last window will close the program, but I like to keep the two separate; this is one (C list) reason I usually use SeaMonkey. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
I'd really love to see chromium ported over. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:32:38AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: I'd really love to see chromium ported over. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I'm using kazehakase with xulrunner. As far as I know, the only full featured browser to run on ia64. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Randall Wood wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Happy hunting. opera Opera is suitable for anyone who takes the time to configure it to their wishes. That said, it would probably suit every FreeBSD user... Am I right? I'm right, right? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Happy hunting. -- http://www.therandymon.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:57:30 Randall Wood wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Well, the script support and rendering bugs are a bit too noticeable for my taste. Though last time I tried was KDE 4.1.x. I suppose I could give it another shot with 4.3 in the tree. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
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Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:56:36 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Firefox even seems to lack a key to quit the program. :-) That's easy. Just press Ctrl+Q and it'll close Firefox immediately. Negative for firefox-2.0.0.12,1 (on my desktop system) - no Ctrl+Q. :-) Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:32:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? I use Firefox (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I also use elinks (when graphics don't matter). I'm looking for some middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox. (Note: I tried dillo, but it doesn't display most sites well enough.) You could give galeon a try. Disclaimer: I used it for a bit years ago, so no idea what it's like now. TIA, Daniel Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:32:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? I use Firefox (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I also use elinks (when graphics don't matter). I'm looking for some middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox. (Note: I tried dillo, but it doesn't display most sites well enough.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers That seems to a logical suggestion given that I'm (we are) not sure what you are looking for. ~Firefox is too slow and dillo doesn't display most websites . . . well enough~ is a bit tough to parse (specifically, to your needs). I find ff to be good enough, as far as your requirements are concerned, as well as IE (ugh!). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Midori seems to have problems displaying Gmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
(Firefox) is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to Galeon, K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface language and designed to be lightweight and cross-platform. - http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel The Original Poster ruled out dillo because it did not have enough features. I fear any featureful, lightweight web-browser is destined to be bloated like Firefox, or as some people suggest, Opera. The introduction of the Document Object Model (and CSS) with HTML 4.0 means fast Lynx-style single-pass rendering is out. JavaScript means that websites can use an arbitrary amount of CPU time (sometimes deliberately), unless throttled. Regards, James Phillips --- On Fri, 7/31/09, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:30:02 +0200 From: Wolfgang Riegler w.rieg...@cbtl.de Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 200907311230.02216.w.rieg...@cbtl.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Give Midori a try. Of course it's a young project and maybe there are not all of the features of Firefox or Opera, but Midori is lightweight and really fast. It's based on WebKit, so there should be no problem with standard conform websites. Wolfgang __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Looking for fast graphical web browser
Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? I use Firefox (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I also use elinks (when graphics don't matter). I'm looking for some middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox. (Note: I tried dillo, but it doesn't display most sites well enough.) TIA, Daniel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:32:49 -0400 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? Opera. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565|http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 pgptocbRDDx3X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:55:53 +0200, Andreas Rudisch cyb.@gmx.net wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:32:49 -0400 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? Opera. Traditionally, I would have suggested Opera too, because it has been my favourite browser for many years now. But with recent versions, I saw it getting... hmmm... how do I tell best? It's getting more slower in overall handling, and it often stops working completely (several seconds); printing isn't as good as in Firefox, and it won't work on some sites that are no problem with Firefox. Furthermore, there's lots of stuff now bundled with the Opera web browser that I (personally) found no use for, such as a mail client, IRC client, torrent client, and some other stuff that could easily be called bloatware. (Don't get me wrong: The M2 mail client isn't that bad, but far from lightweight, as the whole Opera is today.) But maybe that's only my problem (due to my ancient computer and OS). Try Opera. Maybe it works for you. And: No, I'm no Firefox advocate. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Give Midori a try. Of course it's a young project and maybe there are not all of the features of Firefox or Opera, but Midori is lightweight and really fast. It's based on WebKit, so there should be no problem with standard conform websites. Wolfgang ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Furthermore, there's lots of stuff now bundled with the Opera web browser that I (personally) found no use for, such as a mail client, IRC client, torrent client, and some other stuff that could easily be called bloatware. Yeah, I share your take on Opera. Give Midori a try. Of course it's a young project and maybe there are not all of the features of Firefox or Opera, but Midori is lightweight and really fast. It's based on WebKit, so there should be no problem with standard conform websites. Perfect, yes! Midori is precisely what I need! Many thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:47:11 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: versions, I saw it getting... hmmm... how do I tell best? It's getting more slower in overall handling, and it often stops working completely (several seconds) I have not noticed such behaviour yet. problem with Firefox. Furthermore, there's lots of stuff now bundled with the Opera web browser that I (personally) found no use for, such as a mail client, IRC client, torrent client, and some other stuff that could easily be called bloatware. I never get the argument about 'bloatware' when it comes to Opera. Yes, there are options not that not everyone needs, but then again, most of the time they do not get loaded / appear in the menu when not used. Also take a look at the size of the installers: Opera 9.64/Windows: Classic Installer, English (US) 4.8 MB English (US) 5.4 MB International 7.2 MB Opera 9.64/FreeBSD 7.x (Static) 7.0 MB Win32 Binaries: midori Win32 v0.1.8 12.9 MB Firefox English (British) 3.5.1 win32 7.6MB Firefox English (British) 3.5.1 linux 9.3MB And there are a lot of features in Opera, for which you will need to download extra extensions in Firefox. But maybe that's only my problem (due to my ancient computer and OS). For me, Opera works much better on older hardware than Firefox. Try Opera. Maybe it works for you. Anyway, in the end everyone should use what he likes best. :) Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565|http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 pgpUOJVzFTZ7Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
I would use Opera as an alternative to Firefox. If I can find a way to sync bookmarks across Opera browsers, I'll give it a try. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
I would use Opera as an alternative to Firefox. If I can find a way to sync bookmarks across Opera browsers, I'll give it a try. I didn't realize Opera has built-in synchronization. That's pretty nice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:04:22 +0200, Andreas Rudisch cyb.@gmx.net wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:47:11 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: versions, I saw it getting... hmmm... how do I tell best? It's getting more slower in overall handling, and it often stops working completely (several seconds) I have not noticed such behaviour yet. Nobody else seems to have. This is what I wrote regarding this very strange topic: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-March/194123.html I just hope that it goes away with an update of the system I'm planning to do soon. :-) problem with Firefox. Furthermore, there's lots of stuff now bundled with the Opera web browser that I (personally) found no use for, such as a mail client, IRC client, torrent client, and some other stuff that could easily be called bloatware. I never get the argument about 'bloatware' when it comes to Opera. Only for newer versions. I found the older versions a bit easier to configure, especially the Options dialog was better organized. But as I mentioned bloat (NB the quotes), it's just that there's much more functionality in Opera, making it run slower (on the same system), but finally, it runs *much* faster than Firefox, I think. And there are a lot of features in Opera, for which you will need to download extra extensions in Firefox. Exactly. I know, for example, that there are mouse gestures in Firefox, too. But they are not built-in. My main argument for Opera is the excellent combination of mouse and KEYBOARD support. I'm using the english version because the shortcuts and keystrokes are more intuitive than in the german version. Firefox even seems to lack a key to quit the program. :-) For me, Opera works much better on older hardware than Firefox. That's true. Opera on 300 MHz P2 is faster than Firefox 3 on 2 GHz P4 here. Anyway, in the end everyone should use what he likes best. :) Of course. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:04:22 +0200, Andreas Rudisch cyb.@gmx.net wrote: I never get the argument about 'bloatware' when it comes to Opera. Only for newer versions. I found the older versions a bit easier to configure, especially the Options dialog was better organized. But as I mentioned bloat (NB the quotes), it's just that there's much more functionality in Opera, making it run slower (on the same system), but finally, it runs *much* faster than Firefox, I think. I don't find that it runs much faster than Firefox. In fact, in recent versions, it runs slower sometimes -- though still marginally faster more often than not. And there are a lot of features in Opera, for which you will need to download extra extensions in Firefox. Exactly. I know, for example, that there are mouse gestures in Firefox, too. But they are not built-in. My main argument for Opera is the excellent combination of mouse and KEYBOARD support. I'm using the english version because the shortcuts and keystrokes are more intuitive than in the german version. I have the opposite experience: Opera lacks keyboard shortcuts for a lot of what I do in Firefox. A nice touch shared by Firefox and Chrome, but not by anything else I've used (including Opera, IE, Midori, et cetera) is the set of keyboard shortcuts for URL construction. For instance, if you enter: freebsd . . . then press Ctrl+Enter, it automatically navigates to: www.freebsd.com . . . or press Shitf+Enter, it automatically navigates to: www.freebsd.net . . . or press Ctrl+Shift+Enter, it automatically navigates to: www.freebsd.org Firefox even seems to lack a key to quit the program. :-) That's easy. Just press Ctrl+Q and it'll close Firefox immediately. Anyway, in the end everyone should use what he likes best. :) Of course. :-) . . . just as soon as it gets ported to FreeBSD. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth markinct @techrepublic.com: Don't take anything you do on-line lightly. Caveat Clicker... pgphjZ7rF0RRv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:10:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: Perfect, yes! Midori is precisely what I need! Many thanks. I use Midori as a backup browser sometimes, but be aware that it's pretty buggy, and interface design could use a little help. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. pgpjHLIi9WF0w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:56:36 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Firefox even seems to lack a key to quit the program. :-) That's easy. Just press Ctrl+Q and it'll close Firefox immediately. Negative for firefox-2.0.0.12,1 (on my desktop system) - no Ctrl+Q. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:10:07PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:56:36 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: That's easy. Just press Ctrl+Q and it'll close Firefox immediately. Negative for firefox-2.0.0.12,1 (on my desktop system) - no Ctrl+Q. :-) I don't remember that capability lacking in Firefox 2, but it has been a little while since I've used it, so I don't really know for sure. You should be able to close it at least by pressing Ctrl+W once per open tab. That's a keyboard shortcut that closes the current tab, and if you do that when there's only one tab open, that should close the browser (but only if you have it configured to close the browser when closing the last tab). I think the relevant configuration option in the about:config window is: browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab I'm pretty sure I was able to close Firefox with a keyboard shortcut back when I used Firefox 2, but I don't remember how. I guess you're on your own, unless someone else here uses Firefox 2 and can help you out. Does Alt+F4 work for you? That's probably dependent on your choice of window manager. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts. pgpjWbnSvuY5P.pgp Description: PGP signature
