Re: Basic i5/i7 Motherboard Suggestion..

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:


I am looking to build a simple i5 or i7 CPU-based desktop computer that is
compatible with FreeBSD. Could someone suggest me a sub $200 motherboard
whose chipsets and BIOS works well with FreeBSD? I would prefer to stick
with either Intel or Asus if possible...


Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3 working well with an i5 here.  Using a PCIe Radeon, 
I have not tried the Intel GPU yet.

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Re: Basic i5/i7 Motherboard Suggestion..

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thursday, July 12, 2012 09:04:37 AM Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:
> 
> I am looking to build a simple i5 or i7 CPU-based desktop computer that is
> compatible with FreeBSD. Could someone suggest me a sub $200 motherboard
> whose chipsets and BIOS works well with FreeBSD? I would prefer to stick
> with either Intel or Asus if possible...

I have an i7 wich uses the integrated GPU. I am not so happy about this 
compared to the nVidea external GPU I use with an AMD CPU.

Check carefully the list to find out if you can live with the current status of 
Intel KMS if you have to use it.

I would not consider MSI as they are the people who once delivered motherboards 
with a short life time.

Asus was also my first choice for the motherboard.

Erich
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: Basic i5/i7 Motherboard Suggestion..

[Thomas Mueller]

from Pierre-Luc Drouin :

> I am looking to build a simple i5 or i7 CPU-based desktop computer that is
> compatible with FreeBSD. Could someone suggest me a sub $200 motherboard
> whose chipsets and BIOS works well with FreeBSD? I would prefer to stick
> with either Intel or Asus if possible...

MSI is also good with motherboards.  I built a new computer from parts June 
2011.

Motherboard was MSI Z68MA-ED55(B3), has served well so far, and works with 
FreeBSD much better than NetBSD, though NetBSD's problems could be due to other 
deficiencies, including lack of USB 3.0 support.

CPU is Intel i7 at 2600 MHz.

This motherboard has USB 3.0 and UEFI "Click BIOS".

MSI would have newer models now.

Tom
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Basic i5/i7 Motherboard Suggestion..

[Pierre-Luc Drouin]

Hi,

I am looking to build a simple i5 or i7 CPU-based desktop computer that is
compatible with FreeBSD. Could someone suggest me a sub $200 motherboard
whose chipsets and BIOS works well with FreeBSD? I would prefer to stick
with either Intel or Asus if possible...

Thanks!
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Doug Barton]

On 06/06/2012 15:06, Doug Barton wrote:
> On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote:
>> My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still
>> very much on the table.
> 
> Try the attached patch. 

Actually try this one instead. :)


-- 

This .signature sanitized for your protection
Index: portmaster
===
--- portmaster  (revision 236697)
+++ portmaster  (working copy)
@@ -2208,6 +2208,8 @@
 }
 
 term_printf () {
+   case "$1" in *\>\>*) echo -e "\n\t${PM_PARENT_PORT}${1}" ;; esac
+
[ -n "$PM_NO_TERM_TITLE" ] && return
case "$TERM" in cons*) return ;; esac
 
@@ -2283,7 +2285,6 @@
deps=" (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})"
 
if [ -n "$PM_DEPTH" ]; then
-   echo "  ${PM_DEPTH}>> ${1#$pd/}"
term_printf " ${PM_DEPTH#* }>> ${1#$pd/}${deps}"
else
[ -n "$UPDATE_ALL" ] && term_printf " >> ${1#$pd/}${deps}"
@@ -2527,19 +2528,16 @@
safe_exit
elif [ -n "$PM_FIRST_PASS" -a -z "$PM_PACKAGES" ]; then
echo "===>>> Initial dependency check complete for $portdir"
-   case "$PM_DEPTH" in *\>\>*) echo "  $PM_DEPTH" ;; esac
else
echo "===>>> Dependency check complete for $portdir"
-   case "$PM_DEPTH" in
-   *\>\>*) echo "  $PM_DEPTH" ;;
-   *)  if [ "$PM_PARENT_PORT" = All ]; then
-   local deps
-   deps=" (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})"
-   term_printf " >> ${upg_port:-$portdir}${deps}"
-   else
-   term_printf
-   fi ;;
-   esac
+
+   if [ "$PM_PARENT_PORT" = All ]; then
+   local deps
+   deps=" (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})"
+   term_printf " >> ${upg_port:-$portdir}${deps}"
+   else
+   term_printf
+   fi
fi
 } # dependency_check()
 
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Doug Barton]

On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still
> very much on the table.

Try the attached patch. It essentially adds the progress info that is
being put in the TERM title to the in-line printout of the dependency
trail that was already there.

Let me know what you think,

Doug

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Index: portmaster
===
--- portmaster  (revision 236697)
+++ portmaster  (working copy)
@@ -2208,6 +2208,8 @@
 }
 
 term_printf () {
+   echo -e "\n\t${PM_PARENT_PORT}${1}"
+
[ -n "$PM_NO_TERM_TITLE" ] && return
case "$TERM" in cons*) return ;; esac
 
@@ -2283,7 +2285,7 @@
deps=" (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})"
 
if [ -n "$PM_DEPTH" ]; then
-   echo "  ${PM_DEPTH}>> ${1#$pd/}"
+   #echo " ${PM_DEPTH}>> ${1#$pd/}"
term_printf " ${PM_DEPTH#* }>> ${1#$pd/}${deps}"
else
[ -n "$UPDATE_ALL" ] && term_printf " >> ${1#$pd/}${deps}"
@@ -2623,7 +2625,7 @@
[ -z "$dep_of_deps" ] && dep_of_deps=0
export PM_PARENT_PORT num_of_deps dep_of_deps
 
-   term_printf
+   #term_printf
 }
 
 if [ -n "$PM_URB" ]; then
@@ -2783,6 +2785,7 @@
 
numports=$(( $numports + 1 ))
init_term_printf "$port ${numports}/${numports}"
+   term_printf
($0 $ARGS $port) || update_failed=update_failed
. $IPC_SAVE
[ -n "$update_failed" ] && fail "Update for $port failed"
@@ -2825,6 +2828,7 @@
 
num=$(( $num + 1 ))
init_term_printf "$port ${num}/${numports}"
+   term_printf
($0 $ARGS $port) || update_failed=update_failed
. $IPC_SAVE
[ -n "$update_failed" ] && fail "Update for $port failed"
@@ -2978,6 +2982,7 @@
[ -n "$DI_FILES" ] && (read_distinfos)&
 
init_term_printf All
+   term_printf
 
ports_by_category
echo "===>>> Starting check of installed ports for available updates"
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote:

Can the reason for me not getting the title to change be that I very often 
use screen when updating ports?


Sure, the escape codes are interpreted by screen, not Terminal.  There 
may be a way to pass them through.  tmux has some options for that, but 
I haven't really tried them and have not used screen.

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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-04 16:10, Leslie Jensen skrev:



2012-06-04 15:54, Warren Block skrev:

% printf "\033];Funny Title\007"



Works!
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Can the reason for me not getting the title to change be that I very 
often use screen when updating ports?


I've tried different combinations and I'm only able to get the title 
when I work locally.


Screen and ssh does not change the title.


My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still 
very much on the table.


Thanks

/Leslie

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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-04 15:54, Warren Block skrev:

% printf "\033];Funny Title\007"



Works!
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote:


2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev:

On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I found that setting and changed it.


That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it.


I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and
maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title?


Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster
upgrades over ssh.



I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also tried 
the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the settings 
changes anything.


I've no title at all apart from "Terminal"


Could be something in your prompt resetting it.  Does
  % printf "\033];Funny Title\007"
change the title?
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-04 10:14, Leslie Jensen skrev:



2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev:

On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I found that setting and changed it.


That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it.


I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and
maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title?


Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster
upgrades over ssh.

Let me know how it goes,

Doug



I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also
tried the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the
settings changes anything.

I've no title at all apart from "Terminal"

/Leslie
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After a restart of xfce I've got the Title to change, but I can only see 
the initial command ie portmaster All.




/Leslie


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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev:

On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I found that setting and changed it.


That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it.


I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and
maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title?


Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster
upgrades over ssh.

Let me know how it goes,

Doug



I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also 
tried the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the 
settings changes anything.


I've no title at all apart from "Terminal"

/Leslie
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Doug Barton]

On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> I found that setting and changed it.

That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it.

> I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and
> maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title?

Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster
upgrades over ssh.

Let me know how it goes,

Doug

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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-03 18:18, Warren Block skrev:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Warren Block wrote:


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote:




2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev:

On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress


Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window,
look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if
you're not in a terminal window though.



I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here!

So do I need to activate this function?


It's on by default. --no-term-title disables it, as does setting
PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc.


Oh, and xfce's Terminal has a preferences setting that can prevent
dynamically-set titles from being displayed.
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I found that setting and changed it.

I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and 
maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title?


I'll test as soon as I've got the system up with X again.


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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Warren Block wrote:


On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote:




2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev:

On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress


Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window,
look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if
you're not in a terminal window though.



I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here!

So do I need to activate this function?


It's on by default.  --no-term-title disables it, as does setting 
PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc.


Oh, and xfce's Terminal has a preferences setting that can prevent 
dynamically-set titles from being displayed.

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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote:




2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev:

On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress


Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window,
look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if
you're not in a terminal window though.



I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here!

So do I need to activate this function?


It's on by default.  --no-term-title disables it, as does setting 
PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc.

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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev:

On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:

I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress


Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window,
look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if
you're not in a terminal window though.

hope this helps,

Doug




I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here!

So do I need to activate this function?

Thanks

/Leslie
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Doug Barton]

On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote:
> I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress

Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window,
look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if
you're not in a terminal window though.

hope this helps,

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Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

[Leslie Jensen]

I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress when 
one does larger updates like the newly recommendation in

/usr/ports/UPDATING

portmaster -r png-

I myself have three machines with different capacity when it comes to 
building ports.


How about a knobb one could choose that would give information after 
finishing building one port and before beginning on the next one, that 
would be something like:


finishing foo port xx ports remaining
or something in that order.

At least it would informative for me to get an idea of how far in the 
process the machine is.



Thanks

/Leslie
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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/13/12 02:14, Allen wrote:

On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote:

On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote:

On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote:


No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the
newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the
bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix
(twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of
hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security
to boot.

Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one
read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said "We
need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a
calculator ten years from now" and Microsoft said "We can do that!"
Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called
QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for "Quick Dirty Operating
System" if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating
System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this!


IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency -
Unix,
Mac... They never tried to be better...

Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up
their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and
Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for
supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while
a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc,
file based devices, etc).

Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for
the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why
stop now?
You realise, of course, that a lot of things you take for granted on BSD 
Unix was ported from Plan9? Yes, they got it right the first time. _And_ 
the second. People were impressed, but it would have taken too much 
effort to change ingrained ways and habits.

AT&T didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off
it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some
Brilliant Hackers started working on it.

The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came
up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would
consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years
with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD?

We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the
Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's
not only saying something, that's a Historical thing.
It is astounding. For around 20 years it hung around before they came up 
with something new, 40 years on and its still going strong - cars don't 
even last that long; or some buildings for that matter!

So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original
designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame.

Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has
done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have
Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people.
I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux.

Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and
turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into
Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for
me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be
running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those.
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Re: Suggestion

[Chris]

On 3/12/2012 2:00 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote:
>>> ... One word that is rampant... Alligations
>> Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator?
>>
> sometimes i wish the lists had a "like" button :P
> 
> 

HA! I just love my HTC auto correct.
But to the point ... Sure, I *like* it.

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Re: Suggestion

[Paul Macdonald]

On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote:

... One word that is rampant... Alligations

Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator?


sometimes i wish the lists had a "like" button :P


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Re: Suggestion

[Alejandro Imass]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote:
>>
>> I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux.
>
> Give the Haiku project a look.  It's meant to be some kind of inheritor
> of the BeOS legacy.
>

May I suggest MenuetOS if you are really looking for something cool

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Re: Suggestion

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote:
> ... One word that is rampant... Alligations

Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator?

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Re: Suggestion

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote:
> 
> I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux.

Give the Haiku project a look.  It's meant to be some kind of inheritor
of the BeOS legacy.

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Re: Suggestion

[Rod Person]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:14:39 -0400
Allen  wrote:
> 
> Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. 

I never thought I'd see this on FreeBSD list! I guess I have now lived
long enough as they say.
 
> Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House,
> and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are
> into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs
> and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like
> them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd

You are either stealing my thoughts or are my long lost twin. Either
way, no matter what you post from now on you are a genius in my book!

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Re: Suggestion

[Allen]

On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote:
> On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote:
>> On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote:
>>
>>> No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the
>>> newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the
>>> bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix
>>> (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of
>>> hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security
>>> to boot.

Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one
read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said "We
need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a
calculator ten years from now" and Microsoft said "We can do that!"
Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called
QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for "Quick Dirty Operating
System" if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating
System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this!

>> IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency -
>> Unix,
>> Mac... They never tried to be better...
> Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up
> their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and
> Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for
> supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while
> a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc,
> file based devices, etc).

Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for
the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why
stop now?

AT&T didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off
it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some
Brilliant Hackers started working on it.

The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came
up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would
consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years
with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD?

We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the
Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's
not only saying something, that's a Historical thing.

> So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original
> designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame.

Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has
done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have
Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people.
I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux.

Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and
turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into
Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for
me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be
running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those.
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Re: Suggestion

[Bernt Hansson]

2012-03-11 18:42, Polytropon skrev:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:

On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:

FAT rules!


Uh . . . what?


It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...


Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster


Perhaps you didn't plug it in right. Sata, FW or usb.
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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote:

On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote:


No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the
newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the
bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix
(twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of
hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security
to boot.


IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix,
Mac... They never tried to be better...
Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up 
their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and 
Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for 
supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while 
a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, 
file based devices, etc).


So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original 
designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame.

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Re: Suggestion

[Robert Huff]

Alejandro Imass writes:

>  >> > > FAT rules!
>  >> >
>  >> > Uh . . . what?
>  >>
>  >> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...
>  
>  The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design.

I can think of two:
Its properties are well understood.
There are a multitude of drivers, at least some well-coded.
Many are even open source.  :-)

And for one of its tasks - as a format for media to be read
by multiple devices, presumably under the control of/with the
permission of a single person - what exactly is the better
alternative?


Robert Huff

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Re: Suggestion

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > FAT rules!
> > 
> > Uh . . . what?
> 
> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...

Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster
but it didn't work. It turned into a bread slicer instead.
Maybe the toaster is too old and requires paper tape... :-)



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Magdeburg, Germany
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Re: Suggestion

[Jerry]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:13:09 -0400
Alejandro Imass articulated:

> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris 
> > wrote:
> >> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an
> >> evil thing when done by  corporate "insert name here".
> >>
> >
> > Ah yes, the ignorance
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
> 
> And you say there is no relationship:
> 
> http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/

Seriously, did anyone bother to look at the dates of those articles?

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Re: Suggestion

[Chris]

... One word that is rampant... Alligations

Sent from my HTC.

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Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:04 am
Subject: Suggestion
To: "Chris" 
Cc: "FreeBSD" 


On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris  wrote:
> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil
> thing when done by  corporate "insert name here".
>

Ah yes, the ignorance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
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Re: Suggestion

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris  wrote:
>> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil
>> thing when done by  corporate "insert name here".
>>
>
> Ah yes, the ignorance
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott

And you say there is no relationship:

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/
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Re: Suggestion

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris  wrote:
> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil
> thing when done by  corporate "insert name here".
>

Ah yes, the ignorance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
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Re: Suggestion

[Chris]

... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing 
when done by  corporate "insert name here".

Yes, I believe I see the relationship 


Sent from my HTC.

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From: "Alejandro Imass" 
Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:46 am
Subject: Suggestion
To: "FreeBSD" 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry  wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700
> Erich Dollansky articulated:
>
>> > > FAT rules!
>> >
>> > Uh . . . what?
>>
>> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...
>
> And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any
> operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more
> prevalent due to its more versatile design.
>


The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design.

It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They
achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by
user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax
about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them
into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent
(addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious
cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will.

They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and
services, they just bullied their way through by threatening
distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today,
Microsoft is still doing this by providing "free software" to third
world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing
"free powdered milks and baby formula" in Africa, or like Monsanto
does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers.

As I heard someone say recently "if Al Capone were alive today he'd
run a tech company".

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Re: Suggestion

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry  wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700
> Erich Dollansky articulated:
>
>> > > FAT rules!
>> >
>> > Uh . . . what?
>>
>> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...
>
> And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any
> operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more
> prevalent due to its more versatile design.
>


The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design.

It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They
achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by
user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax
about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them
into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent
(addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious
cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will.

They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and
services, they just bullied their way through by threatening
distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today,
Microsoft is still doing this by providing "free software" to third
world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing
"free powdered milks and baby formula" in Africa, or like Monsanto
does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers.

As I heard someone say recently "if Al Capone were alive today he'd
run a tech company".

-- 
Alejandro Imass
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Re: Suggestion

[Jerry]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700
Erich Dollansky articulated:

> > > FAT rules!  
> > 
> > Uh . . . what?  
> 
> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...

And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any
operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more
prevalent due to its more versatile design.

To use a camera as an example, any manufacturer that would use a file
system that was not compatible with MS Windows would be driving the
company into bankruptcy. There are dozens of Windows based applications
that can handle images stored on various types of cameras At best,
there are only a few designed for the non-Windows world, and they work
like crap, if you can get one to work at all. They are all feature
poor, again assuming you can get one to actually work without having
an engineering degree.

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Re: Suggestion

[ajtiM]

On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote:

> No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the
> newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the
> bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix
> (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of
> hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security
> to boot.
> 

IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, 
Mac... They never tried to be better...


Mitja

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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

I think that your irony detectors got damaged while reading my post. I am sorry 
for this.

On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:
> > > 
> > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
> > > name a few:
> 
> > > - apps re-write system libs at will
> > 
> > Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?
> 
> I'm not aware of any cases where installing or firing up an editor, web
> server, or mail user agent alters base system libraries.  I think you are
> mistaken.
> 
Isn't this a cool feature?
> 
> > 
> > > - no lib versioning
> > 
> > I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I
> > remember they put a version number into the library name.
> 
> I read "no lib versioning" as meaning "we don't get the same support for
> being able to use multiple versions of a library for different purposes,"
> but maybe I'm mistaken.

How can you say this?
> 
> > > - no filesystem-based security
> > 
> > FAT rules!
> 
> Uh . . . what?

It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ...
> 
> > > - default network protocols are insecure
> > 
> > Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do
> > some catching up.
> 
> I suspect this was a reference to things like SMB/CIFS and other common
> networking protocols and toolsets on MS Windows systems.

Is this all in there by default?

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Chad Perrin]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:
> > 
> > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
> > name a few:

Actually, I disagree with this statement.  Many of MS Windows' problems
are a result of poor management, too.  For instance, the policy of hiding
(known) grave security issues for years, and of launching smear campaigns
against security researchers who get tired of waiting for Microsoft to do
anything about such grave vulnerabilities and thus publish information
for end users to use in making technology decisions and trying to
mitigate their exposure, adds up to a whole lot of problem for MS
Windows, too.

It's certainly true that a lot of problems are based on poor design,
though.


> > 
> > - no clean separation of system and apps
> 
> it is very clearly separated.

Perhaps you can explain the pervasive spread of IE's tentacles throughout
the system for much of the lifetime of the MS Windows family of operating
systems, then.


> 
> > - apps re-write system libs at will
> 
> Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?

I'm not aware of any cases where installing or firing up an editor, web
server, or mail user agent alters base system libraries.  I think you are
mistaken.


> 
> > - no lib versioning
> 
> I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I
> remember they put a version number into the library name.

I read "no lib versioning" as meaning "we don't get the same support for
being able to use multiple versions of a library for different purposes,"
but maybe I'm mistaken.


> 
> > - there is not out of the box user / admin separation
> 
> Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give
> every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights.

1. Plan 9: some kind of next generation rights management and privilege
separation

2. FreeBSD: architectural privilege separation between user accounts

3. MS Windows: user-level restrictions on what users can do, trivially
bypassed by DRM software and malicious code

I think the way you try to paint situations 2 and 3 as being equivalent
is grossly off the mark.


> 
> > - no filesystem-based security
> 
> FAT rules!

Uh . . . what?


> 
> > - default network protocols are insecure
> 
> Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do
> some catching up.

I suspect this was a reference to things like SMB/CIFS and other common
networking protocols and toolsets on MS Windows systems.

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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/11/12 02:31, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
  wrote:

On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:

[...]

it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'.

wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
Windows has are not linked to design.

I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!

ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
name a few:

- no clean separation of system and apps

it is very clearly separated.


- apps re-write system libs at will

Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?


- no lib versioning

I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they 
put a version number into the library name.


- there is not out of the box user / admin separation

Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every 
user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights.
No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the 
newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the 
bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix 
(twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of 
hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security 
to boot.



- no filesystem-based security

FAT rules!


- default network protocols are insecure

Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some 
catching up.

...and this is only scratching the surface

Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These
folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:

Cash rules!

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
> 
> [...]

it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'.
> 
> >
> > wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
> > Windows has are not linked to design.
> 
> I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!
> 
> ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
> name a few:
> 
> - no clean separation of system and apps

it is very clearly separated.

> - apps re-write system libs at will

Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving?

> - no lib versioning

I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they 
put a version number into the library name.

> - there is not out of the box user / admin separation

Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every 
user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights.

> - no filesystem-based security

FAT rules!

> - default network protocols are insecure

Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some 
catching up.
> 
> ...and this is only scratching the surface
> 
> Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
> SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These
> folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:

Cash rules!

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Alejandro Imass]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:

[...]

>
> wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
> Windows has are not linked to design.

I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!

ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
name a few:

- no clean separation of system and apps
- apps re-write system libs at will
- no lib versioning
- there is not out of the box user / admin separation
- no filesystem-based security
- default network protocols are insecure

...and this is only scratching the surface

Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These
folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:

q{
There is no inherent value in a technology per se. The value is
determined instead by the business model used to bring it to market.
The same technology taken to the market through two different business
models will yield different amounts of value. An inferior technology
with a better business model will often trump a better technology
commercialized through an inferior business model.
}
"Open Innovation", (Chesbrough 2003)


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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
> On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
> > Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.
> >
> > It is a masterpiece on its own.
> 
> Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in 
> wine and not windows.
> 
I know of one case in which the virus worked on wine too.

> The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally 
> broken as well.

wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems 
Windows has are not linked to design.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Joshua Isom]

On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:

you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.

It is a masterpiece on its own.

Erich


Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in 
wine and not windows.


The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally 
broken as well.

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Re: Suggestion

[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 01:56:25AM -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the
> ReactOS project?  It would be more beneficial to the internet community
> and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar
> looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD
> and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process.
> 
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but
> ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont
> trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

That had to be the weakest troll attempt I've ever seen.

I actually think that ReactOS, if run by people who weren't tied down by
some unfortunate misconceptions, might have been a really good idea --
not as a great OS in its own right, but rather as a gateway drug for
Unix-like OSes.  Alas, that was not to be.  Instead, it looks like it
will just be a never-was (and occasional grist for some very weak
trolling).

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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/10/12 11:07, Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote:


I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a 
proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, 
and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha!


you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.

It is a masterpiece on its own.

ROFL!
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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote:
> 
> 
> I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a 
> proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly 
> claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha!
> 
you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. 
Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo.

It is a masterpiece on its own.

Erich
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RE: Suggestion

[Graeme Dargie]

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bruno Comerci
Sent: 09 March 2012 04:56
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Suggestion


Hi guys.


Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
project?
It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, 
if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to 
accelerate their process.

Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
seems to be that one that we all are wating for.


Sincerely,
Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux 
and any other Unix-based OS.
  
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I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a 
proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, 
and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha!

Regards
Graeme
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Re: Suggestion

[Mario Lobo]

On Friday 09 March 2012 01:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote:
> Hi guys.
> 
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the
> ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and
> to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and
> functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join
> forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process.
> 
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but
> ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

Hey Man (man ???) !

Your mom should be running after you all over the house, with your hot milk 
bottle and pacifier in hand, because you skipped your nap time.

Please, have mercy on her and go right up to bed.

-- 
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http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE)
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Re: Suggestion

[mikel king]

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote:

> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?
> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.
> 
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust 
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

That was funny. Best laugh I've had all day, but then it's early so there room 
for improvement.
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Re: Suggestion

[Nomen Nescio]

> Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap?

You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy
Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7
on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small
user space.

> I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a
> crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu?

(nobody in the room raises his hand) I'll take some of what our pal Bruno is
freebasing though. There's a crackwhore I've been meaning to bang.

> I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after
> reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's
> basically a GnuWindows crap hole,

Pardon my proofreading but I think you probably should have written
"crap-hole" or "craphole" here. Nevertheless you expressed the idea quite
well. ;-)

To all the thought-provoking responses thus far I will add my own:

You idiots were not only stupid enough to waste your lives copying the
functionality of the most broken binary blob in the world and you GPL'd what
you came up with?! That really says it all...talk about adding insult to
injury. 

I'll run bootlegged copies of XP before I touch your crap-hole with a ten
foot shovel LOL.

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Re: Suggestion

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Friday 09 March 2012 11:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?

hey, who clean my desk now? I was just eating when I read this crap. Best 
trolling ever!


> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.

have you ever thought, why certain function calls in Windows look the same in 
FreeBSD?
 
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.

While ReactOS will come out in 20 or 30 years, BSD is around for more than 30 
years.

Erich
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Re: Suggestion

[Outback Dingo]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci
 wrote:
>
> Hi guys.
>
>
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?
> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.
>
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
>
>

Dude...! Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard...

> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust 
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.
>                                          
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Re: Suggestion

[Andrew Gould]

Troll alert.  (just let it die)

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Comerci
 wrote:
>
> Hi guys.
>
>
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?
> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.
>
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust 
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.
>                                          
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Re: Suggestion

[Eugene M. Zheganin]

Hi.

On 09.03.2012 10:56, Bruno Comerci wrote:

Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
project?
It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, 
if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to 
accelerate their process.

The only project that has even worser situation with development than 
ReactOS is actually OS/2 community kernel development project, known as 
OS/4.


So why ReactOS. Who even needs EoL WinXP clone. Which is, by the way, 
still not production-ready.

Win8 is on its way. It will bury you completely.

Eugene.
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Re: Suggestion

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:56:25 -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote:
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you
> join to the ReactOS project?

Because I like to _act_, instead to just RE-act.
REact to some old-fashioned and spoiled concepts
and incompatible infrastructures without any future...



> It would be more beneficial to the internet community [...]

You _know_ that the "inner bowels" of the Internet run
UNIX, _not_ "Windows", right?



> [...] and
> to the users around the world who wants a free OS with
> similar looking and functions than Windows, [...]

Just install the Redmond-inspired themes for KDE or Gnome,
install wine, and I assume for 99% of imaginable cases you
have a solution, if it _has_ to be some "Windows" stuff.
If not, learn something new - which is the _real_ benefit
than hanging around with short-term knowledge as it is
common in MICROS~1 land -, and use a free alternative.
Better security, more features, less money.



> [...] if you just throw away your FreeBSD 

Throw away something that just works? Who could be that
heavily distracted from reality?



> [...] and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate
> their process.

Nothing to say against that passage, but resources in
FreeBSD development are limited. They are better invested
in bringing FreeBSD into its future - because it _has_ a
future (unlike legacy operating systems that seem to be
intended to primarily run commercial software that has
been expensive when bought, but that won't run on
current MICROS~1 technology).



> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully
> trusted, [...]

OpenBSD? :-)

Really: Only operating systems that are available as source
code have the chance to be trusted. The more people perform
audits and actually look at the source code, the better it
is.



> [...] but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.

At least _I_ am not waiting for it (which proves your allquantified
"we all" as false by one counterexample -- simple logic).
I would - under no circumstances - trade a stable and
powerful OS that runs a plethora of applications and
utilizes modern technology for something that tries to
be like "Windows", even if it's better in terms of
source availability, but worse as it's repeating all
the things that MICROS~1 has done wrong.



> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows [...]

To be honest, I would even pay money for FreeBSD if it
was a commercial OS, because it really does what I need.
Luckily, it can be obtained and used for free, unlike
"Windows" which you can't even try out without contamining
your hard disk.



> [...] and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

Why is that? Do you believe that imitating MICROS~1
technology is generally better? Or what is the reason?
I'd be interested in learning more.

For further trust, an OpenBSD psychotherapy is highly
advised. ... I also run OpenBSD, so don't bash me for
this comment. :-)



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Re: Suggestion

[Allen]

On 3/8/2012 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote:
> 
> Hi guys.
> 
> 
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the
> ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet
> community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with
> similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away
> your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate
> their process.
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but
> ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
> Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows
> and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

Did I miss something? Did everyone pass out free crack today? I just
looked up ReactOS to see WTF this guy was talking about, and now I'm
totally confused

Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? Wasting
time... Right... You want people to give up on BSD, a great OS, and Unix
in general, for WINDOWS?!?!?!?! I don't care if Microsoft released the
Source Code for Windows NT, 2000, XP, and Windows Server 2003 TODAY... I
still wouldn't use it.

I like Unix. Actually, I like BSD and Linux, and I kinda miss BeOS, but
there is no way I'm going to sit down, toss out years worth of books and
DVDs I've accumulated over the years, and use some POS OS that's trying
to look like Windows.

I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a
crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu?

If you don't trust open / source code available if you want it
software And if you're a coder who works on that POS, why not look
though the sources for BSD and see it's better than most.

I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after
reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's
basically a GnuWindows crap hole, I stopped reading and started getting
confused. I'm watching Clerks II right now, and it's the part where Jay
is singing "Good Bye Horses", and what he's hiding, is exactly what I
think ReactOS can suck on.

I'm not leaving BSD for some stupid start menu.

:)
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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/09/12 16:56, Hexing B wrote:

Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS?
Wine would be illegal then. This is Wine on steroids, and then some. 
Poke a needle in for testing and it will pop ;)


Frankly, its not as good as winblow$ and cant do pretty much anything 
else with it, so its hopeless. Useable for as the OP said, if you can't 
afford winblows and couldn't be bothered to learn something else. Others 
mileage may vary though.

  I trust FreeBSD by now, though
ReactOS is worth researching.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.com  wrote:


On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci  wrote:

Hi guys.


Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the

ReactOS project?

It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users

around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions
than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the
ReactOS team to accelerate their process.

Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but

ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.


Sincerely,
Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust

Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

I agree.  I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic*

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Re: Suggestion

[Da Rock]

On 03/09/12 14:56, Bruno Comerci wrote:

Hi guys.


Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
project?
It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, 
if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to 
accelerate their process.

Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
seems to be that one that we all are wating for.


Sincerely,
Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux 
and any other Unix-based OS.

What? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Get real...

Sincerely
Common world's citizen who doesn't trust Windows as far they could throw it.
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Re: Suggestion

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Re: Suggestion

[Hexing B]

Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? I trust FreeBSD by now, though
ReactOS is worth researching.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.com  wrote:

> On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci  wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys.
> >
> >
> > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the
> ReactOS project?
> > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users
> around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions
> than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the
> ReactOS team to accelerate their process.
> >
> > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but
> ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.
>
> I agree.  I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic*
>
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Re: Suggestion

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci  wrote:
>
> Hi guys.
>
>
> Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
> project?
> It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
> the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than 
> Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS 
> team to accelerate their process.
>
> Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
> seems to be that one that we all are wating for.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust 
> Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

I agree.  I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic*

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Suggestion

[Bruno Comerci]

Hi guys.


Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS 
project?
It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around 
the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, 
if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to 
accelerate their process.

Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS 
seems to be that one that we all are wating for.


Sincerely,
Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux 
and any other Unix-based OS.
  
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[C. P. Ghost]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Jonathan Vomacka  wrote:
>> On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote:
>> *SNIP* / *PRUNE*
>>
>> For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next
>> release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken.
>
> +1

Another reason for a dmr release is that we've finally switched
to clang/llvm.

-cpghost.

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Jonathan Vomacka]

+1

On 10/18/2011 10:15 PM, Allen wrote:

On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote:
*SNIP* / *PRUNE*

For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next
release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken.

-Allen
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Allen]

On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote:
*SNIP* / *PRUNE*

For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next
release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken.

-Allen
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Michael M]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby  wrote:

> On 10/17/2011 10:08 AM, Alessandro Spinella wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>>
>>  +1
>>>
>>> FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie.
>>>
>>>
>> agree_counter++;
>>
>
> agreed.
>
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Terrific idea. +1
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 10/17/2011 10:08 AM, Alessandro Spinella wrote:

On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote:


+1

FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie.



agree_counter++;


agreed.


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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Alessandro Spinella]

On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote:


+1

FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie.



agree_counter++;


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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[C. P. Ghost]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, mikel king  wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
>
>> With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
>> whose
>> shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
>> would
>> be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
>>
>> His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
>> legacy that few can match.
>>
>> Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
>> upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
>>
>> Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't 
>> it?

+1 for a dmr release.

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Thomas Mueller]

FreeBSD needs to acknowledge its history, and C has been and still is a 
critical part.

Dennis Ritchie's role deserves to be acknowledged.

Tom

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Mariano Vecchioli]

+1 to Codename Ritchie.

Mariano Vecchioli
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 05:43:25PM -0400, mikel king wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:43:25 -0400
> > From: mikel king 
> > Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
> > To: Roland Smith 
> > Cc: FreeBSD questions 
> > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
> >
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> >
> > > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants
> on whose
> > > shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think
> it would
> > > be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
>
>
> both dennis's and ken's ... and for that matter the entire
>bunch from murry hill.  somewhere in my jumble of books in
>my True Bible, 'the c programming language' that i had
>dennis autograph 20+ years ago.  in my NSHO, that book is
>the best book every written. it's just one of dennis's
>achievements[!]
>
>
> > >
> > > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
> > > legacy that few can match.
> > >
> > > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> > > upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting,
> wouldn't it?
> > >
> > > Roland
> > > --
> > > R.F.Smith
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
> > > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much
> appreciated]
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> C321A725)
> >
> >
> > I think this would be a fitting tribute...
>
>
> hm.  given that ken finished up at berkeley in '69 and
>'70, isn't it overdue to have at least a page that mentions
>the BSD link to its origin and inspiration?
>
>
>{sigh}
>
>gary
>
>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mikel King
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Gary Kline]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 05:43:25PM -0400, mikel king wrote:
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:43:25 -0400
> From: mikel king 
> Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
> To: Roland Smith 
> Cc: FreeBSD questions 
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)
> 
> 
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> 
> > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
> > whose
> > shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
> > would
> > be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.


both dennis's and ken's ... and for that matter the entire
bunch from murry hill.  somewhere in my jumble of books in
my True Bible, 'the c programming language' that i had
dennis autograph 20+ years ago.  in my NSHO, that book is
the best book every written. it's just one of dennis's
achievements[!]


> > 
> > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
> > legacy that few can match.
> > 
> > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> > upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> > 
> > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't 
> > it?
> > 
> > Roland
> > -- 
> > R.F.Smith   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
> > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated]
> > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914  B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725)
> 
> 
> I think this would be a fitting tribute...


hm.  given that ken finished up at berkeley in '69 and
'70, isn't it overdue to have at least a page that mentions
the BSD link to its origin and inspiration?  


{sigh}

gary


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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Mike Jeays]

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:17:15 +0200
"Kruppa, Peter Ulrich"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> >
> >> With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
> >> whose
> >> shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
> >> would
> >> be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
> >>
> >> His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
> >> legacy that few can match.
> >>
> >> Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> >> upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> I believe this would be an appropriate gesture.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter.
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I am strongly in favour of such a gesture, as an exceptional case.
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Pegasus Mc Cleaft]

On Friday 14 October 2011 00:46:43 Chip Camden wrote:
> > > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting,
> > > wouldn't it?
> > > 
> > > Roland
> > 
> > I think this would be a fitting tribute...
> 
> Hear, hear!

A good friend of mine posted to me, I think, one of the best tributes:

printf("goodbye, dad.\n");

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 19:17, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote:

>
>
> On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
>>
>>  With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on
>>> whose
>>> shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it
>>> would
>>> be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
>>>
>>> His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
>>> legacy that few can match.
>>>
>>> Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
>>> upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
>>>
>> I believe this would be an appropriate gesture.
>
>
+1

FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie.

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Kruppa, Peter Ulrich]

On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote:


On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:


With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose
shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would
be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.

His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
legacy that few can match.

Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.

I believe this would be an appropriate gesture.

Regards

Peter.
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[mikel king]

On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 07:20:54AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> 
>> I think it's fair to say it would be 'Ritchie-deserved'. 
>>  
>>  
> 
> I'm conflicted about whether that's a good pun or a bad pun.  
>   
>  
> 
> 
>> 
>> Consider this another opinion in favor of the proposal.  
>>  
>>  
> 
> Y'know, I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to post obituaries on   
>   
>  
> official FreeBSD related Websites, but if it is, I can think of no better 
>   
>  
> time than now -- in honor of Dennis Ritchie, one of the most important
>   
>  
> figures in all of Unix development, influential beyond what anyone is 
>   
>  
> likely to fully realized even outside of the Unix lineage itself. 
>   
>  
> 
> Yeah, I've just convinced myself.  Even if it is generally not considered 
>   
>  
> appropriate, I think making an exception in this very exceptional case is 
>   
>  
> difficult to resist.  I'll offer my voice in the chorus of support as 
>   
>  
> well. 
>   
>  


Has anyone from the the project weighed in on this yet?


Regards,
Mikel King
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 07:20:54AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>   
>   
>
> I think it's fair to say it would be 'Ritchie-deserved'.  
>   
>


 
I'm conflicted about whether that's a good pun or a bad pun.

 


 


 
>   
>   
>
> Consider this another opinion in favor of the proposal.   
>   
>


 
Y'know, I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to post obituaries on 

 
official FreeBSD related Websites, but if it is, I can think of no better   

 
time than now -- in honor of Dennis Ritchie, one of the most important  

 
figures in all of Unix development, influential beyond what anyone is   

 
likely to fully realized even outside of the Unix lineage itself.   

 


 
Yeah, I've just convinced myself.  Even if it is generally not considered   

 
appropriate, I think making an exception in this very exceptional case is   

 
difficult to resist.  I'll offer my voice in the chorus of support as   

 
well.   

 


 
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[   Dennis Ritchie, Innovator:   ]  

 
[   http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.286.13.52.17 ]


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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Thu Oct 13 18:47:49 2011
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:46:43 -0700
> From: Chip Camden 
> To: FreeBSD questions 
> Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
>
> Quoth mikel king on Thursday, 13 October 2011:
> > On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants 
> > > on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, 
> > > I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
> > > 
> > > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are
> > > a legacy that few can match.
> > > 
> > > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> > > upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> > > 
> > > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting,
> > > wouldn't it?
> > > 
> > > Roland
> > 
> > 
> > I think this would be a fitting tribute...
> > 
>
> Hear, hear!

I think it's fair to say it would be 'Ritchie-deserved'.

Consider this another opinion in favor of the proposal.

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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Ryan Coleman]

I think this is a grand idea. 

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On Oct 13, 2011, at 18:46, Chip Camden  wrote:

> Quoth mikel king on Thursday, 13 October 2011:
>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
>>> whose
>>> shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
>>> would
>>> be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
>>> 
>>> His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
>>> legacy that few can match.
>>> 
>>> Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
>>> upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
>>> 
>>> Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't 
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> Roland
>> 
>> 
>> I think this would be a fitting tribute...
>> 
> 
> Hear, hear!
> 
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion

[Chip Camden]

Quoth mikel king on Thursday, 13 October 2011:
> On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
> 
> > With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on 
> > whose
> > shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it 
> > would
> > be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
> > 
> > His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
> > legacy that few can match.
> > 
> > Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
> > upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
> > 
> > Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't 
> > it?
> > 
> > Roland
> 
> 
> I think this would be a fitting tribute...
> 

Hear, hear!

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Re: disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:08:21 +0200, Denis Fortin  wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a small server with an SSD drive in it that is having some problems.
> 
> Notably, dmesg has been repeatedly reporting the following error message:
> 
>   g_vfs_done():ad0s1a[READ(offset=-574217714356717568, 
> length=16384)]error = 5
> 
> I realize that the best course of action is to replace the
> disk and restore from a backup, but this isn't really an
> option immediately.

You should replace it on the long run. :-)



> So, is there a way to "mark the inode bad" and then launch an
> fsck ?  How can I turn "offset=-574217714356717568" into a
> usable piece of information?

You can use the tool "badsect" (from the base system) to
mark a sector as bad, as inodes are "dynamically allocated"
and do not "hard-wiredly" correspond to actual disk locations
per se. A tool for clearing inode information is "clri" which
should be used on unmounted partitions whenever possible.

Files like /usr/src/sys/bio.h and /usr/src/sys/geom/geom_vfs.c
give some hints about what the numbers are refering to. Sadly
I'm not a system programmer, so I can't be more specific.


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Re: disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...

[Bruce Cran]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:08:21 +0200
Denis Fortin  wrote:

> So, is there a way to "mark the inode bad" and then launch an fsck ?
> How can I turn "offset=-574217714356717568" into a usable piece of
> information?

It looks like something is causing geom to try and read way past the
end of the disk?

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disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...

[Denis Fortin]

Good morning,

I have a small server with an SSD drive in it that is having some problems.

Notably, dmesg has been repeatedly reporting the following error message:

g_vfs_done():ad0s1a[READ(offset=-574217714356717568, 
length=16384)]error = 5

I realize that the best course of action is to replace the disk and restore 
from a backup, but this isn't really an option immediately.

So, is there a way to "mark the inode bad" and then launch an fsck ?  How can I 
turn "offset=-574217714356717568" into a usable piece of information?

Any suggestion welcome.

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suggestion for http://krinc.rnd.runnet.ru/FreeBSD/gallery/npgallery.html

[linda]

Hello,

I found your webpage, 
http://krinc.rnd.runnet.ru/FreeBSD/gallery/npgallery.html, very resourceful for 
a project I am working on.

However, I could not open the page on your site titled "Feminism Net" that is 
supposed to go here: http://www.feminism.net/

I found another informative page about feminism, 
http://www.datehookup.com/content-feminism-resources.htm , which would make a 
nice replacement or additional resource for your page.

I hope my suggestion helps!

Regards,
Linda Peterson
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Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...

[Modulok]

Just to clarify, when I say 'unused slices', I mean those of other
operating systems I was no longer interested in having around, not as
in 'marked as free space'.

Thanks!
-Modulok-

On 12/21/09, Modulok  wrote:
>>> "As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error."
>
> Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC
> partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the
> operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused
> slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record
> remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked
> fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though.
>
> -Modulok-
>
> On 12/20/09, Roland Smith  wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote:
>>> Just a suggestion:
>>>
>>> In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note
>>> that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete?
>>> Something like:
>>>
>>> "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work
>>> correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use
>>> gpart(8) instead."
>>
>> As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In
>> the
>> cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was
>> given. I've always just ignored it.
>>
>> Roland
>> --
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Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...

[Modulok]

>> "As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error."

Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC
partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the
operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused
slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record
remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked
fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though.

-Modulok-

On 12/20/09, Roland Smith  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote:
>> Just a suggestion:
>>
>> In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note
>> that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete?
>> Something like:
>>
>> "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work
>> correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use
>> gpart(8) instead."
>
> As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In the
> cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was
> given. I've always just ignored it.
>
> Roland
> --
> R.F.Smith   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...

[Roland Smith]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote:
> Just a suggestion:
> 
> In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note
> that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete?
> Something like:
> 
> "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work
> correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use
> gpart(8) instead."

As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In the
cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was
given. I've always just ignored it.

Roland
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Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...

[Ondřej Majerech]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:40:48 +0100, Modulok  wrote:


List,

Just a suggestion:

In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note
that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete?
Something like:

"fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work
correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use
gpart(8) instead."

That way, when you're confronted by the initially mysterious, "fdisk:
Class not found" error, you don't waste tons of time double and triple
checking slice table syntax and what not. Maybe even right at the top
of the man page. Yes, it bit me today. Looking through the archives,
apparently I'm not the only one.

Thanks!
-Modulok-


Wow..  I wish I knew there *was* any gpart at the first place!

I'm still kinda new to FreeBSD -- been using it since 7.0-RELEASE.  Every  
time I had to make some changes to my partition table, I looked WTF-ly at  
fdisk manpage, then grabbed a Fedora live CD and made the changes from  
there.  gpart looks like something that would do what I needed to do and  
would not require me to wonder if I got some obscure syntax right when  
modifying my partitions.


So I'd like to second your suggestion: Mentioning gpart in man fdisk  
would've definitely saved my time.


~ Ondra
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Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...

[Modulok]

List,

Just a suggestion:

In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note
that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete?
Something like:

"fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work
correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use
gpart(8) instead."

That way, when you're confronted by the initially mysterious, "fdisk:
Class not found" error, you don't waste tons of time double and triple
checking slice table syntax and what not. Maybe even right at the top
of the man page. Yes, it bit me today. Looking through the archives,
apparently I'm not the only one.

Thanks!
-Modulok-
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Document iso compression suggestion

[Nathen]

Hi, I'm not sure if this is the correct email address to use for this
suggestion but anyway, I thought you would like to know I managed to
compress the iso '7.2-RELEASE-amd64-docs.iso' at 294MB down to just
21.2MB by using 7-zip's ultra compression method - this could help you
to conserve bandwidth if you offered a compressed archive for document
CD isos.
Hope this helps :)
Thanks for your time.

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Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter

[gs_stol...@juno.com]

On 6/27/09, Zhang Weiwu  wrote:
> Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri,
> parse it twice: first time get subject & second time get content, and
> send it as email to me.
>
> $ w3m -dump
> 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commen
d-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
> | grep -A 100 ¶Ô±È | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s
> '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump
> 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commen
d-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
> | grep ÕÒµ½.*¼þ | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com
>
>
> The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse
> 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command
> in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to
> maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two
> places when the URI changes (and it does!).
>
> How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner?
>
   Whenever I have to look through a long file more than once, I 
copy the relevant sections into another file (a RAM file if it is short enough 
and I have the RAM) and then parse it there as many times as I need to do it.

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Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter

[Zhang Weiwu]

Modulok wrote:
> Zhang,
>
> Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute
> the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more
> digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your
> life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing
> standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so
> forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute "/home/you/bin/foo",
> where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script.
>
> Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line?
> -Modulok-
Nothing more than curiosity and small benefit of not having to take care
one more file. I know what you mean:)
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Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter

[Modulok]

Zhang,

Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute
the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more
digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your
life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing
standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so
forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute "/home/you/bin/foo",
where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script.

Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line?
-Modulok-

On 6/27/09, Zhang Weiwu  wrote:
> Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri,
> parse it twice: first time get subject & second time get content, and
> send it as email to me.
>
> $ w3m -dump
> 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
> | grep -A 100 对比 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s
> '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump
> 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
> | grep 找到.*件 | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com
>
>
> The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse
> 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command
> in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to
> maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two
> places when the URI changes (and it does!).
>
> How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner?
>
> By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using:
> $ mail -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?='
>
> instead of
> $ mail -s $subject
>
> Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the
> current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64
> encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is
> UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' must not be
> omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are
> required by RFC. How do you think?
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scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter

[Zhang Weiwu]

Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri,
parse it twice: first time get subject & second time get content, and
send it as email to me.

$ w3m -dump 
'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
 | grep -A 100 对比 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s 
'=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump 
'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5'
 | grep 找到.*件 | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com


The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse
2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command
in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to
maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two
places when the URI changes (and it does!).

How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner?

By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using:
$ mail -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?='

instead of
$ mail -s $subject

Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the
current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64
encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is
UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' must not be
omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are
required by RFC. How do you think?
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Re: Suggestion

[Ross Cameron]

Why not just install GRUB and use any boot splash you see fit?

Hell you could even spin you're own fBSD release with this as a
default if u wanted.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Ryan da Silva  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going
> to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and
> forward person so I'll just say it.
>
>
>
> Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo
> "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me
> of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the
> BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional,
> enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only
> thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the
> change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product
> and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know.
> Maybe instead of the large logo simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy
> right"   etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux
> (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I
> think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist
> in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v
> 7.1 RTM.
>
>
>
> If this isn't the right group, and you know how to get in touch with the
> people who can help, I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Cheers to everyone who has made this great product!
>
>
>
> Ryan da Silva
>
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Re: Suggestion

[Ryan da Silva]

Re: Suggestion




Thanks everyone. The serial console is a good point.

Ryan


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- Original Message -
From: Modulok <modu...@gmail.com>
To: Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk>; cpghost <cpgh...@cordula.ws>; 
Ryan da Silva; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
<freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 04 19:21:58 2009
Subject: Re: Suggestion

> > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII 
characters, reminds me
> > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of 
the
> > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional,
> > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the 
only
> > thing that says amateur about the product.

Gratuitous misuse of iconic representations, logos and other pointless
flair is one of the reasons I moved to beastie. The thing that makes
me think of it as a 'professional enterprise-grade operating system'
is that I can deploy it and not have to worry about it. The
documentation is also excellent. It is these things that make it good,
not loading screens, glossy icons, buttons and logos. Besides, I like
the little ASCII logo. Ironic for a visual effects artist though :)~

To each his own.
-Modulok-

On 1/4/09, Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote:
>> > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the 
word/logo
>> > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII 
characters, reminds me
>> > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of 
the
>> > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional,
>> > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the 
only
>> > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make 
the
>> > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer.
>>
>> You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie.
>> Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf:
>>
>> loader_logo="beastie"
>
> and:
>
> loader_color="YES"
>
> to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;)
>
>>
>> If you want to change the logo or add a new one,
>> have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where
>> the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may
>> seem a little bit opaque at first.
>>
>> > I love this product and would like to suggest changing that
>> > screen. To what? I don't know.  Maybe instead of the large 
logo
>> > simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy right" etc. Or 
heck, maybe a
>> > color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen 
in
>> > Centos/Trixbox).
>>
>> The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it
>> too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your
>> customized logo too.
>>
>> A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so
>> good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on
>> headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate
>> circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why
>> the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable,
>> and to a certain extent customizable.
>
> Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader:
>
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader";>http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader
>
> The page was last updated in July by the looks of it.
>
> <snip>
>>
>> Regards,
>> -cpghost.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
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>
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