Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello,

Could you post the source KEY file?
My educated guess is that a command (key combination) to change current
submapping is being used. This is pretty useful, but if the two submappings
are written for different codepages, it may not work as expected.

Aitor





On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 14:07, wilhelm.spiegl 
wrote:

> Hi Aitor,
>
> thanks for this information. It helped and I could create the .kl files
> with the key files delivered with kpdos31s.zip (not kpdos31x.zip). Some
> "ltxx.key" files gave a message:
>
> Warning at line xxx: Change of submapping changes the codepage
> of KEYB and leave KEYB in an inconsistent state (sm: 12->10) but worked,
> just for information.
>
> Is there any reason why it maybe not wishful to use these .kl files with
> keyb although they are mentioned in keyb? Should they be added at the
> kpdos-3.1 file?
>
> Willi
>
>
>
> Von meinem/meiner Galaxy gesendet
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Aitor Santamaría 
> Datum: 06.02.23 22:49 (GMT+01:00)
> An: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." <
> freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Betreff: Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl
>
> Hello Wilhelm,
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 22:15, wilhelm.spiegl 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Aitor,
>> I am not sure if I understand you correct. kc 200 is available here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/fdkeyb-2.0/
>> kc200
>>
>> I tried kc with the key files from xkeyb that are delivered with the
>> fdt2302.iso.
>>
>
> but executing "kc gr.key" or another one language leads to the reported
>> message so that I got no kl file.
>>
>> The KEY files from xkeyb are a completely different story. Try the files
> at KPDOS, which are KEY files in the KEY language format that FD-KEYB
> understands.
>
>
>
>> I do not need the kl files for myself, maybe some for testing, but I
>> think they should be delivered with keyb.exe It would be nice if you could
>> send them to Jerome Shidel.
>>
> I suppose there are no KL files, because from the KEY files you compile to
> KL, and then they are packed. A KL file is like a .O file, not very useful
> in itself.
> You either get the KEY files (like .C) or the libraries (like .EXE), but
> not the .KL (like the .O).
>
> But you can easily build yourself the KL files from the KEY files written
> in the FD-KEYB language (or at least they should compile, I haven't tried
> that for a long time). Henrique Peron is the author of the KEY/KL files, a
> very impressive work IMHO.
>
> Aitor
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[wilhelm.spiegl]

Hi Aitor,
thanks for this information. It helped and I could create the .kl files with 
the key files delivered with kpdos31s.zip (not kpdos31x.zip). Some "ltxx.key" 
files gave a message:
Warning at line xxx: Change of submapping changes the codepageof KEYB and leave 
KEYB in an inconsistent state (sm: 12->10) but worked, just for information.
Is there any reason why it maybe not wishful to use these .kl files with keyb 
although they are mentioned in keyb? Should they be added at the kpdos-3.1 file?
WilliVon meinem/meiner Galaxy gesendet
 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Aitor Santamaría 
 Datum: 06.02.23  22:49  (GMT+01:00) An: "Technical 
discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." 
 Betreff: Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl 
Hello Wilhelm,On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 22:15, wilhelm.spiegl 
 wrote:Hi, Aitor,I am not sure if I understand 
you correct. kc 200 is available 
here:https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/fdkeyb-2.0/
  kc200I tried kc with the key files from xkeyb that are delivered with the 
fdt2302.iso.but executing "kc gr.key" or another one language leads to the 
reported message so that I got no kl file.The KEY files from xkeyb are a 
completely different story. Try the files at KPDOS, which are KEY files in the 
KEY language format that FD-KEYB understands. I do not need the kl files for 
myself, maybe some for testing, but I think they should be delivered with 
keyb.exe It would be nice if you could send them to Jerome Shidel.I suppose 
there are no KL files, because from the KEY files you compile to KL, and then 
they are packed. A KL file is like a .O file, not very useful in itself.You 
either get the KEY files (like .C) or the libraries (like .EXE), but not the 
.KL (like the .O).But you can easily build yourself the KL files from the KEY 
files written in the FD-KEYB language (or at least they should compile, I 
haven't tried that for a long time). Henrique Peron is the author of the KEY/KL 
files, a very impressive work IMHO.Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello Wilhelm,


On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 22:15, wilhelm.spiegl 
wrote:

> Hi, Aitor,
> I am not sure if I understand you correct. kc 200 is available here:
>
>
> https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/fdkeyb-2.0/
> kc200
>
> I tried kc with the key files from xkeyb that are delivered with the
> fdt2302.iso.
>

but executing "kc gr.key" or another one language leads to the reported
> message so that I got no kl file.
>
> The KEY files from xkeyb are a completely different story. Try the files
at KPDOS, which are KEY files in the KEY language format that FD-KEYB
understands.



> I do not need the kl files for myself, maybe some for testing, but I think
> they should be delivered with keyb.exe It would be nice if you could send
> them to Jerome Shidel.
>
I suppose there are no KL files, because from the KEY files you compile to
KL, and then they are packed. A KL file is like a .O file, not very useful
in itself.
You either get the KEY files (like .C) or the libraries (like .EXE), but
not the .KL (like the .O).

But you can easily build yourself the KL files from the KEY files written
in the FD-KEYB language (or at least they should compile, I haven't tried
that for a long time). Henrique Peron is the author of the KEY/KL files, a
very impressive work IMHO.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[wilhelm.spiegl]

Hi, Aitor,I am not sure if I understand you correct. kc 200 is available 
here:https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/fdkeyb-2.0/
  kc200I tried kc with the key files from xkeyb that are delivered with the 
fdt2302.iso.but executing "kc gr.key" or another one language leads to the 
reported message so that I got no kl file.I do not need the kl files for 
myself, maybe some for testing, but I think they should be delivered with 
keyb.exe It would be nice if you could send them to Jerome Shidel.Thanks.Willi
 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Aitor Santamaría 
 Datum: 06.02.23  21:55  (GMT+01:00) An: "Technical 
discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers." 
 Betreff: Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl 
Hello Wilhelm!The mechanic is:  KC is the tool to transform a KEY into KL. And 
then, KLIB packs the KL files into a single library (like KEYBOARD.SYS).My 
suggestion is that you start with an existing KEY file, rather than trying to 
build from scratch:Index of 
/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kblayout/kpdos-3.1 (ibiblio.org)Use 
the sources (in KEY language).For the language itself: it is true that the 
compiler/library does NOT exist in ibiblio anymore. I have commented on an 
already open bug about it.(bug 181).I have tried to send some documentation but 
it is too big for lists.sourceforge.I have the KC/KLIB package if needed, but 
Gmail will not let me send it through email.AItorOn Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 15:00, 
 wrote:
Hi,
J just try to change my email accounts to mnet as mail.com is no longer usable 
(when clicking on a mail they start with a video etc.).
My problem is once again the FD help 1.1.0 (under construction).
The documentation of keyb says that it is possible to work with keyboard.sys 
and keybrd2/3/4.sys (depending on keyboard layout).
This works fine. But there is also an information that it should work with 
".kl" files. Till now I found none of these .kl files at ibiblio or github.
At Ibiblio I found a tool kc200 (hidden in a wrong subfolder? - it is not at 
gitlab) which should be able to convert key files to kl files, but the kc 
command gives an error message 16: section [submappings] is mandatory for 
linking. This is an interesting sentence for mouse pusher user like me for a 
tool that says that you simply have to enter kc xy.key.
So, is there a way to obtain this kl files - or should I simply remove them 
from the help file?
Thx for checking and maybe adding .kl files to keyb if necessary.

Willi



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Re: [Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[Aitor Santamaría]

Hello Wilhelm!

The mechanic is:  KC is the tool to transform a KEY into KL. And then, KLIB
packs the KL files into a single library (like KEYBOARD.SYS).
My suggestion is that you start with an existing KEY file, rather than
trying to build from scratch:

Index of /pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kblayout/kpdos-3.1
(ibiblio.org)


Use the sources (in KEY language).

For the language itself: it is true that the compiler/library does NOT
exist in ibiblio anymore. I have commented on an already open bug about it.
(bug 181).
I have tried to send some documentation but it is too big for
lists.sourceforge.
I have the KC/KLIB package if needed, but Gmail will not let me send it
through email.

AItor

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 15:00,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> J just try to change my email accounts to mnet as mail.com is no longer
> usable (when clicking on a mail they start with a video etc.).
>
> My problem is once again the FD help 1.1.0 (under construction).
>
> The documentation of keyb says that it is possible to work with
> keyboard.sys and keybrd2/3/4.sys (depending on keyboard layout).
>
> This works fine. But there is also an information that it should work with
> ".kl" files. Till now I found none of these .kl files at ibiblio or github.
>
> At Ibiblio I found a tool kc200 (hidden in a wrong subfolder? - it is not
> at gitlab) which should be able to convert key files to kl files, but the
> kc command gives an error message 16: section [submappings] is mandatory
> for linking. This is an interesting sentence for mouse pusher user like me
> for a tool that says that you simply have to enter kc xy.key.
>
> So, is there a way to obtain this kl files - or should I simply remove
> them from the help file?
>
> Thx for checking and maybe adding .kl files to keyb if necessary.
>
>
> Willi
>
>
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[Freedos-devel] keyb kl

[wilhelm . spiegl]

Hi, 

J just try to change my email accounts to mnet as mail.com is no longer
usable (when clicking on a mail they start with a video etc.). 

My problem is once again the FD help 1.1.0 (under construction). 

The documentation of keyb says that it is possible to work with
keyboard.sys and keybrd2/3/4.sys (depending on keyboard layout). 

This works fine. But there is also an information that it should work
with ".kl" files. Till now I found none of these .kl files at ibiblio or
github. 

At Ibiblio I found a tool kc200 (hidden in a wrong subfolder? - it is
not at gitlab) which should be able to convert key files to kl files,
but the kc command gives an error message 16: section [submappings] is
mandatory for linking. This is an interesting sentence for mouse pusher
user like me for a tool that says that you simply have to enter kc
xy.key. 

So, is there a way to obtain this kl files - or should I simply remove
them from the help file? 

Thx for checking and maybe adding .kl files to keyb if necessary. 

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