Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
When you are declaring the array by writing A[3] As Single you declare an inline array, i.e. NOT a reference to an array. So you cannot write ThatStruct.A = AnArray. Instead you have to copy the contents from AnArray into A. 2012/7/4 Kevin Fishburne kevinfishbu...@eightvirtues.com On 07/04/2012 12:06 AM, Kevin Fishburne wrote: I need to create a 2D array of a structure like this: Public Struct Tile_Normals A[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Dim Normals As New Tile_Normals[TileGrid.Size, TileGrid.Size] When I try to assign a value to an array element like this: Normals[TileGridX, TileGridY].A = Convert.Normal(P1, P2, P3) I get a null object error. While the 2D array of structures seems to be created correctly, all its initial values are indeed null. Do I need to create the structure or array differently so I can properly assign values to it? Previously I knew all the dimensions of my arrays of structures so they were statically defined, but in this case I don't know the array dimensions until after the program has started running. Thanks everyone. One addition. I've discovered that if I publicly declare a 2D array of the structure it shows bad number of dimensions and out of bounds errors when I double-click it after creation: ' Tile grid normal structure. Public Struct Tile_Normals A As Single[] ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B As Single[] ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Public Normals[32, 32] As Struct Tile_Normals Declaring it as a 1D array it behaves normally: ' Tile grid normal structure. Public Struct Tile_Normals A As Single[] ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B As Single[] ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Public Normals[32] As Struct Tile_Normals It also doesn't make any difference if I define the structure like this: ' Tile grid normal structure. Public Struct Tile_Normals A[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Maybe that's related to what's happening, or a separate issue? -- Kevin Fishburne Eight Virtues www: http://sales.eightvirtues.com e-mail: sa...@eightvirtues.com phone: (770) 853-6271 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #3 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Unless I am mistaken, gb.desktop relies on xdg-utils to report the desktop currently in use. The more I dig into this the more it looks like the problem is more with xdg-utils not properly reporting Mate as the active desktop. As a temporary workaround, if it were possible to expose the desktop.type property as read/write, the property could be set to GNOME which should force the system to use the gnome keyring system for saving passwords. The importance in this is that Mate has a growing number of users as a lot of users do not like the direction of Gnome3 nor KDE. Mate is a continuation of the Gnome2 look and feel. I will continue to look at how xdg-utils can be made to detect Mate. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #4 on issue 265 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Can you send me the result of the set command run in a terminal emulator inside a Mate session? I think that the Gnome environment variables are there, but their contents has been changed to reflect the Mate desktop. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #5 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Here is the file you requested. Attachments: set-output.txt 356 KB -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #6 on issue 265 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 OK, thanks. Now can you tell me if Mate uses the standard Gnome applications (gnome-terminal, nautilus...) or use something else? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #7 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 On my system it is using MATE terminal 1.2.1, and CAJA 1.2.1 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #8 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Caja is the MATE file manager, based on Nautilus 2.32. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Updates: Status: Started Comment #9 on issue 265 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Are things better with revision #4895? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 264 in gambas: Gambas 3.2.0 IDE not work in Ubuntu 12.10
Updates: Status: WontFix Comment #8 on issue 264 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: Gambas 3.2.0 IDE not work in Ubuntu 12.10 http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=264 OK, so I will close the issue. We should reopen it if we get the same problem when the stable Ubuntu 12.10 is released. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 263 in gambas: The TextBox will remain always in the foreground.
Updates: Status: NeedsInfo Labels: -Version Version-3.2.0 Comment #2 on issue 263 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: The TextBox will remain always in the foreground. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=263 There is a problem with GTK+, that sometimes uses an X11 window for drawing controls (like TextBox), and sometimes does not. Consequently, if you send a TextBox to the background, you will continue to see it (or part of it). I don't know what you want to achieve exactly. Please give more details, and I may be able to tell you what to do to workaround that problem. As for the CheckBox, please provide more details : a screenshot for example. The better of course being a project that allows me to reproduce the problem on my computer! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #10 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Sorry, new at this. I'm not sure what that link means, plus it gives a 404 error. Am I missing something? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #11 on issue 265 by emil.len...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Google code thinks Gambas uses Google Code instead of Source Forge as code repository. What you should do is read this: http://gambasdoc.org/help/howto/svn?v3view and check out the latest revision. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
On 07/04/2012 05:42 AM, Emil Lenngren wrote: When you are declaring the array by writing A[3] As Single you declare an inline array, i.e. NOT a reference to an array. So you cannot write ThatStruct.A = AnArray. Instead you have to copy the contents from AnArray into A. I'm not sure how to go about copying the contents, as even this gives me a null object error: Public Struct Surface_Normal N As Single[] End Struct Dim NormalsA As New Surface_Normal[TileGrid.Size + 2, TileGrid.Size + 2] NormalsA[0, 0].N[0] = 0 I spent about an hour last night trying every combination of declarations and assignments I could think of, all with various errors. Initially I wanted a structure so I could have a 2D array with each element having an A and B vector, but now I'm searching for ANY way to get it done. How can I declare a 2D array whose element is a 1D array of three singles? Despite reading the docs again and again I'm not clear on the syntax. -- Kevin Fishburne Eight Virtues www: http://sales.eightvirtues.com e-mail: sa...@eightvirtues.com phone: (770) 853-6271 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012, Kevin Fishburne wrote: On 07/04/2012 05:42 AM, Emil Lenngren wrote: When you are declaring the array by writing A[3] As Single you declare an inline array, i.e. NOT a reference to an array. So you cannot write ThatStruct.A = AnArray. Instead you have to copy the contents from AnArray into A. I'm not sure how to go about copying the contents, as even this gives me a null object error: Public Struct Surface_Normal N As Single[] End Struct Dim NormalsA As New Surface_Normal[TileGrid.Size + 2, TileGrid.Size + 2] NormalsA[0, 0].N[0] = 0 I spent about an hour last night trying every combination of declarations and assignments I could think of, all with various errors. Initially I wanted a structure so I could have a 2D array with each element having an A and B vector, but now I'm searching for ANY way to get it done. How can I declare a 2D array whose element is a 1D array of three singles? Despite reading the docs again and again I'm not clear on the syntax. -- Kevin Fishburne Eight Virtues www: http://sales.eightvirtues.com e-mail: sa...@eightvirtues.com phone: (770) 853-6271 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user You could have a one-dimensional Variant[] which contains other Variant[] (and so on n times) to get an n-dimensional matrix... -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
Le 04/07/2012 06:06, Kevin Fishburne a écrit : I need to create a 2D array of a structure like this: Public Struct Tile_Normals A[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Dim Normals As New Tile_Normals[TileGrid.Size, TileGrid.Size] -- There Tile_Normals is used like a class, not a structure. You must initialize each element of the array with a new Tile_Normals object (in other words, you can use a normal class instead of a structure). Or you can use embedded array of structures: Private Normals[10, 10] As Struct Tile_Normals But then the size of the array must be known at compile time! -- Benoît Minisini -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] More on overriding native classes
Le 04/07/2012 07:55, Fabien Bodard a écrit : why if the class have the same name of an existing one you not just ignore the 'inherit' keyword, Benoit ? Because the compiler does not know that a class with the same name already exists at compile time. -- Benoît Minisini -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 268 in gambas: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context
Comment #7 on issue 268 by emil.len...@gmail.com: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=268 Some more things: * What should happen if _property is static but _unknown is dynamic or vice versa? ;) This code: Static Public Function _property() As Boolean End Public Sub _unknown(...) End Public Sub TestFunction() Me.uuh = 3 End - Segmentation fault (The gambas stack gets corrupted) And Static Public Function _property() As Boolean Print This is not written to stdout End Public Sub _unknown(...) Print This is written to stdout End Public Sub TestFunction() Me.uuh() End - i.e. _property is silently ignored, but _unknown is executed. * _property must also be checked in about the same way when a property is written to: Static Public Function _property() As Boolean Print This message will not be written to stdout. Return True End Static Public Sub _unknown(...) Print Not this message either End Public Sub TestFunction() Me.uuh = 3 End - Shows nothing on the screen, i.e. none of _property or _unknown are executed, and no error message. * In revision #4894 you cannot call a static function when having an object, like obj.unknown_function(), err msg static function. But the convension is that static functions can actually be called even if you have an object. obj.known_static_function() works. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 265 in gambas: New connection with password causes Gambas crash.
Comment #12 on issue 265 by green.da...@gmail.com: New connection with password causes Gambas crash. http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=265 Followed all the instructions. Compiling gives a couple of errors and cannot complete. I have included the output.txt file for your evaluation. As soon as this is fixed I will try the issue again. Attachments: output.txt 8.0 KB -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
As Benoît says, Dim Normals As New Tile_Normals[TileGrid.Size, TileGrid.Size] only gives an array where you can store references to Tile_Normals. You also have to do: Dim I As Integer Dim J As Integer For I = 0 To TileGrid.Size - 1 For J = 0 To TileGrid.Size - 1 Normals[I, J] = New Tile_Normals Next Next Otherwise you will get null object errors. /Emil 2012/7/4 Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net Le 04/07/2012 06:06, Kevin Fishburne a écrit : I need to create a 2D array of a structure like this: Public Struct Tile_Normals A[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface A. B[3] As Single ' Normal for quad subsurface B. End Struct Dim Normals As New Tile_Normals[TileGrid.Size, TileGrid.Size] -- There Tile_Normals is used like a class, not a structure. You must initialize each element of the array with a new Tile_Normals object (in other words, you can use a normal class instead of a structure). Or you can use embedded array of structures: Private Normals[10, 10] As Struct Tile_Normals But then the size of the array must be known at compile time! -- Benoît Minisini -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 268 in gambas: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context
Updates: Status: Fixed Comment #9 on issue 268 by benoit.m...@gmail.com: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=268 OK, in revision #4897 you can use a static unknown property in a dynamic context. But I don't think it works with a static unknown method called in a dynamic context... -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Issue 268 in gambas: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context
Comment #10 on issue 268 by emil.len...@gmail.com: Can call non-static _unknown from a static context http://code.google.com/p/gambas/issues/detail?id=268 Now some more headache :) Public Function _property() As Boolean Return False End Public Function _unknown(...) As String Return hello End Public Sub TestFunction() Print Me.uuh() End - Wanted Stream, got String, i.e. stack is corrupted. And as you say, static unknown method called in dynamic context does not work yet, like it should by convention... -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] ScrollView and Hovered property
Hi, I noticed that, when entering into a ScrollView, the Hovered property is always false : Public Sub ScrollView1_Enter() Debug Last.Hovered End Public Sub ScrollView1_Leave() Debug Last.Hovered End ... will make : FMain.ScrollView1_Enter.14: False FMain.ScrollView1_Leave.20: False in any way. I haven't tried yet with other controls. Here is a little test project if you want. Regards, Adrien. testGUI-0.0.1.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] gb3: using array of structures with dimensions unknown until runtime
Le 04/07/2012 06:06, Kevin Fishburne a écrit : I need to create a 2D array of a structure like this: ... By the way, Kevin, did you try the jit compiler for your game? -- Benoît Minisini -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
