[VOTE RESULTS] (was AW: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.4-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.4-incubating release, 2nd round)

2008-10-13 Thread Jörg Reiher
Hello,

The final tally of the vote is:

  +1 votes: 5 (3 binding, 2 non-binding)

Jörg Reiher (non-binding)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200810.mbox/[EMAIL 
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Rainer Döbele (non-binding)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200810.mbox/[EMAIL 
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ant elder (binding)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200810.mbox/[EMAIL 
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Martijn Dashorst (binding)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200810.mbox/[EMAIL 
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Thomas Fischer (binding)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200810.mbox/[EMAIL 
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  0 votes: 0
 -1 votes: 0

This exceeds the minimum three +1 votes required and the proposal passes.

I shall now make the release and prepare a release announcement.

Thanks,
Joerg

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Re: Graduation Checklist , was Re: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luciano Resende wrote:
>>
>> Have you guys looked at the "Creating an Open and Diverse community"
>> section on the graduation checklist ?
>
> Pig wishes to become a subproject of Hadoop, not a TLP.
>
> Hadoop's PMC is listed at:
>
> http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html...

I think Luciano's questions is basically "has Pig been able to enroll
any non-Yahoo committers", as IIRC the initial Pig committers were all
from Yahoo.

Even if this doesn't have much impact on graduation as a Hadoop
subproject, I'm sure many of us would like to know.

-Bertrand

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi,

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, unless within a week from now we start seeing constructive efforts
> at forming an alternative policy (or clarifying the current
> undocumented policy) that we could vote on, I will declare this vote
> as passing and implement the proposed change based on the measured
> majority.

Just a final heads up that, based on the majority vote, I will be
implementing this policy change tonight unless anyone wants to propose
an alternative policy.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008-10-13 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Gurkan-

have you tried to ping the Guice folks ?

I wonder if they
a) would be interested in joining this effort, here at Apache (Crazy
Bob is an apache committer)
b) prefer to work on the RI, at JBoss (Crazy Bob is EG member)
c) have no steaks into the WebBeans effort

-Matthias

2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> First of all, there are lots of places that I could propose my project, but I 
> think that open source development with the Apache Way conveys the real Free 
> and Professional Open Source Project with meritrocracy in action.
>
> This code could be part of the Geronimo project as its Web Beans container, 
> or could be the top level project its own. I only know that there is only one 
> effort to create RI, this is the JBoss RI  (Pete Muir is responsible for 
> implementing, Gavin King for creating the spec) at the web side 
> http://seamframework.org/WebBeans. And its implementation is in the early 
> stage.
>
> Indeed, Apache way implementation makes different from the others, because 
> and most importantly its developed based on the Apache Way and it also 
> creates additions to the RI with creating add-on components that are based on 
> the other Apache projects, such as, OpenEJB, OpenJPA, JSecurity, ActiveMQ 
> etc, possible. Morevoer, It's always good to have multiple implementations of 
> a spec so enterprise community benefits from the different imlpementations, 
> and they choose the best (Like MyFaces and Sun JSF imeplemtnations.)
>
> I am ready for doing lots of work to this project progresses. Moreover, I get 
> some great response from the below individuals to help this project 
> succesfull,
>
> - Kevan Miller : As a mentor and partly committer
> - Conny Lundgren : JSR-299 EG member as a committer.
>
> And also, I think the committer number is increased by the time.
>
> As I said in the beginning, I believe that open source must be transparent, 
> and the community appreciates the heavy working to implement this spec within 
> the Apache Foundation.
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Gurkan Erdogdu
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>
> Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hi to all;
>>
>> I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
>>
>> It is in the WIKI, its address is
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
>
> I have a number of questions before I can support the proposal:
>
> Where do you expect this code / community to end up after the
> incubator?  Will it be part of Geronimo?  Part of MySpaces?  It's own
> TLP?  I can say now that if the project is to stand on its own, then
> there's a lot of work to do.
>
> It seems as though there are 2 or 3 other Apache licensed efforts in
> creating a RI for JSR-299: Gavin King's work, JBoss's work and the
> rumored Guice work.  What makes this RI effort any different?  Why
> should the ASF support this project instead of one of the others?
>
> I'm concerned that there's only one listed committer.  Getting to at
> least 3 committers is going to have to be the first order of business
> for this podling.
>
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RE: Graduation Checklist , was Re: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Olga Natkovich
Hi Bertrand,

Pig does have two committers not affiliated with Yahoo: Pi Song and
Daniel Dai. This is reflected on our "who we are" page.

Olga

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Bertrand Delacretaz
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:26 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Graduation Checklist , was Re: [VOTE] Pig 
> graduation to hadoop subproject
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Doug Cutting 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Luciano Resende wrote:
> >>
> >> Have you guys looked at the "Creating an Open and Diverse 
> community"
> >> section on the graduation checklist ?
> >
> > Pig wishes to become a subproject of Hadoop, not a TLP.
> >
> > Hadoop's PMC is listed at:
> >
> > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html...
> 
> I think Luciano's questions is basically "has Pig been able 
> to enroll any non-Yahoo committers", as IIRC the initial Pig 
> committers were all from Yahoo.
> 
> Even if this doesn't have much impact on graduation as a 
> Hadoop subproject, I'm sure many of us would like to know.
> 
> -Bertrand
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Re: Graduation Checklist , was Re: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Olga,

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Olga Natkovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...Pig does have two committers not affiliated with Yahoo: Pi Song and
> Daniel Dai. This is reflected on our "who we are" page

Thanks, and sorry for missing that.
-Bertrand

>
> Olga
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Bertrand Delacretaz
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:26 AM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Graduation Checklist , was Re: [VOTE] Pig
>> graduation to hadoop subproject
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Doug Cutting
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Luciano Resende wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Have you guys looked at the "Creating an Open and Diverse
>> community"
>> >> section on the graduation checklist ?
>> >
>> > Pig wishes to become a subproject of Hadoop, not a TLP.
>> >
>> > Hadoop's PMC is listed at:
>> >
>> > http://hadoop.apache.org/who.html...
>>
>> I think Luciano's questions is basically "has Pig been able
>> to enroll any non-Yahoo committers", as IIRC the initial Pig
>> committers were all from Yahoo.
>>
>> Even if this doesn't have much impact on graduation as a
>> Hadoop subproject, I'm sure many of us would like to know.
>>
>> -Bertrand
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Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008-10-13 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
Matthias,

I do not know the mail adress of the Crazy Bob. I dropped information into to 
the google-guice developer list about the OpenWebBeans proposal but I have got 
no response so far.  I also dropped the message into the JBoss Seam  framework 
mailing list. Pete Muir from the JBoss replied with kindly message that he said 
"You could welcome to help into the WebBeans RI effort in the JBoss". But I 
said him,  I think that different RI from the different foundations is great.

I wonder the voting is stopped in this time or how will the process continue?

Thanks;

Gurkan



- Original Message 
From: Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:26:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

Gurkan-

have you tried to ping the Guice folks ?

I wonder if they
a) would be interested in joining this effort, here at Apache (Crazy
Bob is an apache committer)
b) prefer to work on the RI, at JBoss (Crazy Bob is EG member)
c) have no steaks into the WebBeans effort

-Matthias

2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> First of all, there are lots of places that I could propose my project, but I 
> think that open source development with the Apache Way conveys the real Free 
> and Professional Open Source Project with meritrocracy in action.
>
> This code could be part of the Geronimo project as its Web Beans container, 
> or could be the top level project its own. I only know that there is only one 
> effort to create RI, this is the JBoss RI  (Pete Muir is responsible for 
> implementing, Gavin King for creating the spec) at the web side 
> http://seamframework.org/WebBeans. And its implementation is in the early 
> stage.
>
> Indeed, Apache way implementation makes different from the others, because 
> and most importantly its developed based on the Apache Way and it also 
> creates additions to the RI with creating add-on components that are based on 
> the other Apache projects, such as, OpenEJB, OpenJPA, JSecurity, ActiveMQ 
> etc, possible. Morevoer, It's always good to have multiple implementations of 
> a spec so enterprise community benefits from the different imlpementations, 
> and they choose the best (Like MyFaces and Sun JSF imeplemtnations.)
>
> I am ready for doing lots of work to this project progresses. Moreover, I get 
> some great response from the below individuals to help this project 
> succesfull,
>
> - Kevan Miller : As a mentor and partly committer
> - Conny Lundgren : JSR-299 EG member as a committer.
>
> And also, I think the committer number is increased by the time.
>
> As I said in the beginning, I believe that open source must be transparent, 
> and the community appreciates the heavy working to implement this spec within 
> the Apache Foundation.
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Gurkan Erdogdu
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>
> Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hi to all;
>>
>> I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
>>
>> It is in the WIKI, its address is
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
>
> I have a number of questions before I can support the proposal:
>
> Where do you expect this code / community to end up after the
> incubator?  Will it be part of Geronimo?  Part of MySpaces?  It's own
> TLP?  I can say now that if the project is to stand on its own, then
> there's a lot of work to do.
>
> It seems as though there are 2 or 3 other Apache licensed efforts in
> creating a RI for JSR-299: Gavin King's work, JBoss's work and the
> rumored Guice work.  What makes this RI effort any different?  Why
> should the ASF support this project instead of one of the others?
>
> I'm concerned that there's only one listed committer.  Getting to at
> least 3 committers is going to have to be the first order of business
> for this podling.
>
> --
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RE: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Olga,

I saw your:

Total:  9 +10 -1
Pig Committers: 6 +10 -1
Pig Mentors:1 +10 -1

But please note that only Incubator PMC votes actually count, and you need
at least 3.  Whom do you have besides the one Mentor and mine (herein
granted)?

Also, since you intend to graduate into Hadoop, that PMC must vote to accept
Pig -- we don't force it on them.  ;-)  Has that happened?

--- Noel



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Incubator Board Report October 2008

2008-10-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
In general the Incubator is operating well.

The Bluesky project, which has been an area of concern, has submitted a
report this month.

A number of us have asked that the Maven Repository issues, which has
swamped the general@ list for more than a month almost to the exclusion of
all other discussion, be moved from the Incubator to Infrastructure.  Yes,
the Incubator is effected in terms of our requirement that users be aware of
and agree to the use of Incubator artifacts, as the Incubator has long been
charged with maintaining the distinction that Incubator projects are "not
yet fully endorsed by the ASF" in large part to protect the Apache brand and
imprimatur.  But although Maven's lack of support for authenticated and
approved artifacts does effect the Incubator's ability to perform that role,
discussion and correction of that defect really belong at the Infrastructure
level, as the scope of its consequences is much more serious and widespread.

Unresolved for now is what to do about Incubator artifacts and Maven in the
interim.  It is unclear that there is a solution that allows Incubator
projects to publish into the Maven repository at all without violating the
policy regarding explicit user knowledge and consent.

The discussion of the issues caused by Maven's repository handling has led
to revisiting under what circumstances Incubator projects should be
permitted to do releases, if at all.  Personally, I would consider it
unfortunate, unfair, and a shame if we were to decide to return to the
prohibition against releases due to a build tool's inadequacies, nor do I
believe that most people want that to happen.  Others, mostly Maven users,
would like to see any distinction between the Incubator and the ASF
eliminated, which is also an undesirable approach.  There has also been
confusion evidenced about what the Apache License permits anyone to do with
the our code versus policies that the ASF self-imposes on its projects.

We are reminding all projects to provide, at a minimum, the following
information:

 * The "incubating since" info
 * The project's top 2 or 3 things to resolve prior to graduation
 * A short description of what your project's software does

Not all of them have yet complied, but we're working on it.

We're looking at various projects to see if they are ready to graduate,
whether as or into a TLP, and have new projects arriving, one from the
Apache Labs.  Pig appears ready, and is being voted on, to leave the
Incubator for the Hadoop project.  We need to examine QPid and UIMA
regarding graduation.

---

= BlueSky =

Now, BlueSky ASF Project is running in the first phase. A lot of efforts are
done to legalize the BlueSky source code under Apache licence. For RealClass
system source code, there are three main third-part libraries whose licences
do not comply with ASL definitely. They are GUN c++ stl, arts and ffmpeg.
The issue that dynamic link with GPLed GUN c++ stl in RealClass system
source code is legal or not have been discussing in bluesky mailing list.
The conflict which the other two libraries lead to are so complicated that
more time is spent and discuss in details to resolve this problem.

Besides ,we do the following:

 * In order to introduce RealClass system's functions, feature and usage, we
supply the document about system customer manual to BlueSky website.
 * Due to conflict with ASL, the work of committing the source code is
behind of the schedule.


= Empire-DB =

Empire-db has been accepted to the incubator in July 2008. While ths SVN
repository had soon been set up and development progressed there has until
now not been an official Apache release with the packages containting the
org.apache namespace and with all legal files available and in the right
place.

Recent activity:

The main concern of the Empire-db committers in the previous month has been
the acceptance of the first official Apache release by members of the
incubator PMC.

Due to legal concerns about the inclusion of two .jar files the distribution
was first changed to go without them which however resulted in compilation
problems with the build files provided. After a long discussion period the
two jars which were taken from a Tomcat distribution where included again
and release candidate 2 of Empire-db 2.0.4 and Struts2-extentions 1.0.4 were
again put up for voting. Finally the release got accepted incubator PMC.
The accepted distribution files will now be offered for download from the
Empire-db website. (Yet to be done)

Meanwhile a few improvement and bufixing tasks have already been opened for
the upcoming 2.0.5 release.

Community aspects:

Slowly the empire-user mailing list is getting used by uses not belonging to
the empire-db development team. A few mail requests have been answered. With
the now accepted official Apache release we hope that we can now further
increase the community.


= PhotArk =

Apache !PhotArk will be a complete op

Re: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Craig L Russell

Hi Noel,

On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:


Olga,

I saw your:

Total:  9 +10 -1
Pig Committers: 6 +10 -1
Pig Mentors:1 +10 -1

But please note that only Incubator PMC votes actually count, and  
you need

at least 3.  Whom do you have besides the one Mentor and mine (herein
granted)?

Also, since you intend to graduate into Hadoop, that PMC must vote  
to accept

Pig -- we don't force it on them.  ;-)  Has that happened?

--- Noel


Olga's [VOTE] was for Pig community members (and mentors, of course).

From Olga's message:



Please, vote by the end of the day on Thursday, 10/9.

Thanks,

Olga

PS: I am ccing  hadoop and incubator general mailing lists; however,  
no

action is required from them at this time. This step is for Pig
community only.



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RE: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject

2008-10-13 Thread Olga Natkovich
Hi Noel,

My understanding is that graduation into a subproject is a 3 step
process:

(1) Community vote (optional but desired)
(2) Project that will accept the subproject (in this case Hadoop) votes
(3) Incubator PMC votes.

I think we completed step (1) and need to move to step (2).

Is this correct?

Olga

> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:04 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Pig graduation to hadoop subproject
> 
> Olga,
> 
> I saw your:
> 
> Total:9 +10 -1
> Pig Committers:   6 +10 -1
> Pig Mentors:  1 +10 -1
> 
> But please note that only Incubator PMC votes actually count, 
> and you need at least 3.  Whom do you have besides the one 
> Mentor and mine (herein granted)?
> 
> Also, since you intend to graduate into Hadoop, that PMC must 
> vote to accept Pig -- we don't force it on them.  ;-)  Has 
> that happened?
> 
>   --- Noel
> 
> 
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Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008-10-13 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Matthias,
>
> I do not know the mail adress of the Crazy Bob. I dropped information into to 
> the google-guice developer list about the OpenWebBeans proposal but I have 
> got no response so far.  I also dropped the message into the JBoss Seam  
> framework mailing list. Pete Muir from the JBoss replied with kindly message 
> that he said "You could welcome to help into the WebBeans RI effort in the 
> JBoss". But I said him,  I think that different RI from the different 
> foundations is great.

I am subscribed on this list '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and I
haven't seen a post from you there.
Also I don't see that there was any other "WebBeans announcement".
Maybe it is worth to ask them,
if they wanna join (or not).

doing it here is fine, IMO. That's why I offered help in being a
mentor / champion.

>
> I wonder the voting is stopped in this time or how will the process continue?

Hrm, we always can revote. IMO no need to rush; Things should be cleared before
continuing the *process*

_M

>
> Thanks;
>
> Gurkan
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:26:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>
> Gurkan-
>
> have you tried to ping the Guice folks ?
>
> I wonder if they
> a) would be interested in joining this effort, here at Apache (Crazy
> Bob is an apache committer)
> b) prefer to work on the RI, at JBoss (Crazy Bob is EG member)
> c) have no steaks into the WebBeans effort
>
> -Matthias
>
> 2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> First of all, there are lots of places that I could propose my project, but 
>> I think that open source development with the Apache Way conveys the real 
>> Free and Professional Open Source Project with meritrocracy in action.
>>
>> This code could be part of the Geronimo project as its Web Beans container, 
>> or could be the top level project its own. I only know that there is only 
>> one effort to create RI, this is the JBoss RI  (Pete Muir is responsible for 
>> implementing, Gavin King for creating the spec) at the web side 
>> http://seamframework.org/WebBeans. And its implementation is in the early 
>> stage.
>>
>> Indeed, Apache way implementation makes different from the others, because 
>> and most importantly its developed based on the Apache Way and it also 
>> creates additions to the RI with creating add-on components that are based 
>> on the other Apache projects, such as, OpenEJB, OpenJPA, JSecurity, ActiveMQ 
>> etc, possible. Morevoer, It's always good to have multiple implementations 
>> of a spec so enterprise community benefits from the different 
>> imlpementations, and they choose the best (Like MyFaces and Sun JSF 
>> imeplemtnations.)
>>
>> I am ready for doing lots of work to this project progresses. Moreover, I 
>> get some great response from the below individuals to help this project 
>> succesfull,
>>
>> - Kevan Miller : As a mentor and partly committer
>> - Conny Lundgren : JSR-299 EG member as a committer.
>>
>> And also, I think the committer number is increased by the time.
>>
>> As I said in the beginning, I believe that open source must be transparent, 
>> and the community appreciates the heavy working to implement this spec 
>> within the Apache Foundation.
>>
>> Sincerely;
>>
>> Gurkan Erdogdu
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>>
>> Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Hi to all;
>>>
>>> I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
>>>
>>> It is in the WIKI, its address is
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
>>
>> I have a number of questions before I can support the proposal:
>>
>> Where do you expect this code / community to end up after the
>> incubator?  Will it be part of Geronimo?  Part of MySpaces?  It's own
>> TLP?  I can say now that if the project is to stand on its own, then
>> there's a lot of work to do.
>>
>> It seems as though there are 2 or 3 other Apache licensed efforts in
>> creating a RI for JSR-299: Gavin King's work, JBoss's work and the
>> rumored Guice work.  What makes this RI effort any different?  Why
>> should the ASF support this project instead of one of the others?
>>
>> I'm concerned that there's only one listed committer.  Getting to at
>> least 3 committers is going to have to be the first order of business
>> for this podling.
>>
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[VOTE]: Buildr 1.3.3 release

2008-10-13 Thread Assaf Arkin
Up for vote, the Buildr 1.3.2 release.  The release vote passed within
the PPMC with +6 (+7 including non-binding votes) and no -1:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-buildr-dev/200810.mbox/[EMAIL
 PROTECTED]

We're voting on the source distributions available here:
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/distro/

Specifically:
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/distro/buildr-1.3.3-incubating.tgz
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/distro/buildr-1.3.3-incubating.zip

The documentation generated for this release is available here:
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/site/
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/site/buildr.pdf

The official specification against which this release was tested:
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/site/specs.html

Test coverage report:
http://people.apache.org/~assaf/buildr/1.3.3/site/coverage/index.html


The following changes were made since 1.3.2:

* Added:  JtestR support. Implemented pending jtestr specs.
* Added:  Growl notifications (OS X only).
* Added:  error, info and trace methods.
* Added:  Release task support for alternative SVN repository layout
  (e.g., http://my.repo.org/trunk/foo).
* Added:  BUILDR-128 Emma support
* Added:  BUILDR-135. Extracted reusable replacement logic into Filter::Mapper
* Added:  BUILDR-148 It is now possible to set the version of various 3rd
  party libraries from the build.yml file.  Supported libraries
  include Ant and the various test and BDD frameworks.
* Change: Error reporting now shows 'buildr aborted!' (used to say rake),
  more of the stack trace without running --trace, and when running
  with supported terminal, error message is red.
* Change: Eclipse task updated to documented Scala plugin requirements
  (http://www.scala-lang.org/node/94)
* Change: Buildr.application.buildfile returns a task instead of a String.
* Change: BUILDR-104 Buildr::group has :under and :version, but not :type.
  Now it has :type too (Lacton).
* Change: BUILDR-139 Incremental test run.
* Change: BUILDR-141 Removed NEXT_VERSION from release task.
* Change: BUILDR-148 ant-junit no longer included in root classpath, but
  specified during taskdef.
* Change: BUILDR-153 To customize the SVN tag used by the release task, set
  Release.tag_name to either the tag value or a proc that takes the
  version number and return the desired tag.
* Fixed:  Should not display "(in `pwd`, development)" when using --quiet.
* Fixed:  Release task's regexp to find either THIS_VERSION and VERSION_NUMBER.
* Fixed:  BUILDR-106 download(artifact(...)=>url) broken in certain cases
  (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-108 Trace to explain why a compile is done (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-109 Failure of "Buildr::Filter should respond to :include and
  use these inclusion patterns" (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-110 Error creating buildfile from POM when missing plugin
  configuration (Geoffrey Ruscoe).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-112 Using a user gem repository with 'rake setup' (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-114 Hash.from_java_properties does not behave
  like java.util.Properties (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-116: TestTask should include the main compile target in its
  dependencies, even when using non standard directories (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-117 Shared directory for both code and resources produces
  duplicate Eclipse classpath entries (Nathan Hamblen)
* Fixed:  BUILDR-119 Eclipse task does not accept test resource folders
  (Lacton)
* Fixed:  BUILDR-122: eclipse task should not check for directory existence
* Fixed:  BUILDR-123: eclipse task should honor ResourceTask's target directory
* Fixed:  BUILDR-124 unzip(...).from_path does not work correctly without
  include (Rhett Sutphin).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-126  Tests options are shared between unrelated projects when
  using #options instead of #using (Lacton).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-129. Modifying a project manifest should not alter it's
  parent project manifest.
* Fixed:  BUILDR-137 JRuby 1.1.3 and Buildr 1.3.2 don't appear to work
  (on Windows).
* Fixed:  BUILDR-138 ScalaTest premature use of Buildr::Repositories
  inconsistent with customizing locations.
* Fixed:  BUILDR-152 Project.task fails when task name starts with a colon.
* Fixed:  BUILDR-157 Tasks library not loaded from a submodule.
* Docs:   BUILDR-111 Troubleshoot tip when Buildr's bin directory shows up in
  RUBYLIB (Geoffrey Ruscoe).

Assaf

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[jira] Resolved: (INCUBATOR-82) Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting (JIRA)

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Jukka Zitting resolved INCUBATOR-82.


Resolution: Fixed

Committed in revision 704280.

Vote result: 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200809.mbox/<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>

> Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository
> ---
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-82
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-82
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>  Components: policy
>Reporter: Jukka Zitting
> Attachments: INCUBATOR-82.patch
>
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about whether to allow podlings to publish 
> their releases in the central Maven repository. The current (undocumented) 
> policy is that podlings may not use the central Maven repository as a 
> distribution channel.
> I am planning to call the Incubator PMC to vote on changing this policy. 
> Instead of the specific case of the Maven repository, I would like to make 
> the policy change cover any _additional_ distribution channels that the 
> podlings may want to use. Otherwise we'll be having the same discussion again 
> with other channels like Ruby Gems, Python Package Index, Perl CPAN, etc.

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi,

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a final heads up that, based on the majority vote, I will be
> implementing this policy change tonight unless anyone wants to propose
> an alternative policy.

See revision 704280.

It is now OK for podlings to deploy approved releases (that satisfy
the labeling and disclaimer requirements) to the central Maven
repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley
Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
> 
> I wonder the voting is stopped in this time or how will the process continue?

We are not voting yet. This is just the early proposal stage.
As the proposer, you will need to be familiar with the steps
of the process. See docs at http://incubator.apache.org/

By the way, your mail client seems to be losing the context
of which message you had replied to. This makes the threads
hard to follow.
See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/20027

-David

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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-78) Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)

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David Crossley commented on INCUBATOR-78:
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We can parse the generated table "Currently in incubation" at 
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ which has most of the information that we 
need.

However, this is still not reliable because we need to know which projects were 
accepted. Often they miss the first two steps: adding their status to that 
table, and adding themselves to the reporting schedule Wiki page: 
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule

See some more discussion at:
Re: up-to-date list of projects in incubation
http://markmail.org/message/qxemvfbsljdwbflj

If their mentors don't add to the reporting schedule soon after acceptance, 
then another IPMC member needs to jump in to do it.

Then we can parse that wiki ReportingSchedule and correlate with the projects 
index. Less maintenance of source data, and alerts to missing status info pages.

> Unreliable report schedule and list of podlings
> ---
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-78
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-78
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Bug
>Reporter: Bertrand Delacretaz
>
> As discussed in http://markmail.org/message/le55q754m4eypu7r it would be 
> useful to generate the podlings report schedule and the list of projects on 
> the http://incubator.apache.org/ automatically from a master file.

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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-10-13 Thread Will Glass-Husain
Thanks, Jukka---

Very much admire your leadership on navigating us through a decision making
process on this tricky issue.  Not to mention your peaceful attitude in the
midst of much passion.

cheers,
WILL

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Just a final heads up that, based on the majority vote, I will be
> > implementing this policy change tonight unless anyone wants to propose
> > an alternative policy.
>
> See revision 704280.
>
> It is now OK for podlings to deploy approved releases (that satisfy
> the labeling and disclaimer requirements) to the central Maven
> repository through m2-ibiblio-rsync-repository.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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[jira] Updated: (INCUBATOR-93) Incubation_Policy.html#Acceptance+By+Incubator needs clarification: process depends on who is Sponsor

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)

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David Crossley updated INCUBATOR-93:


Attachment: INCUBATOR-93.txt

See the attached patch:

In Incubation_Policy.xml ...
* Add sentence to distinguish between IPMC being the sponsor or a TLP.
* Move the "Acceptance of Mentors" paragraph to its own sub-section.

In Process_Description.xml ...
* Add an "Introduction" section at beginning to remind to read other documents 
which also explain the process.
* Add words to distinguish between IPMC being the sponsor or a TLP.

> Incubation_Policy.html#Acceptance+By+Incubator needs clarification: process 
> depends on who is Sponsor
> -
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-93
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-93
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Bug
>  Components: policy
>Reporter: David Crossley
> Attachments: INCUBATOR-93.txt
>
>
> This section details the next step after a successful acceptance vote. It 
> involves a special message to general@ and acknowledgment from IPMC and 72 
> hours wait. It seems that this is not being followed, rather just doing a 
> vote summary. Does this section need review, or is this a necessary 
> due-process type of thing? It should at least be clarified who can do this 
> step.
> This arises because i am investigating why some projects are not commencing 
> properly, e.g. adding to reporting roster and getting their status document 
> started.

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[jira] Closed: (INCUBATOR-79) Update guide: releasing-eclipse-update-site to correct some inaccuracies

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley (JIRA)

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David Crossley closed INCUBATOR-79.
---

Resolution: Fixed

Thanks, patch applied. This should not have waited, AFAIK you could have done 
it immediately. Only the "Policy" documents need an IPMC review.

> Update guide: releasing-eclipse-update-site to correct some inaccuracies
> 
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-79
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-79
> Project: Incubator
>  Issue Type: Improvement
>Reporter: Marshall Schor
>Priority: Minor
> Attachments: patch.txt
>
>
> Found some inaccuracies in the guide while building an eclipse update site: 
> the location of the urlDigest needs to point to the directory containing the 
> digest.zip, not the digest.zip itself.  Add info on using relative urls, as 
> well.

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Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008-10-13 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
- Original Message 

From: Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:52:25 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]

2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Matthias,
>
> I do not know the mail adress of the Crazy Bob. I dropped information into to 
> the google-guice developer list about the OpenWebBeans proposal but I have 
> got no response so far.  I also dropped the message into the JBoss Seam  
> framework mailing list. Pete Muir from the JBoss replied with kindly message 
> that he said "You could welcome to help into the WebBeans RI effort in the 
> JBoss". But I said him,  I think that different RI from the different 
> foundations is great.

>I am subscribed on this list '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and I
>haven't seen a post from you there.
>Also I don't see that there was any other "WebBeans announcement".
>Maybe it is worth to ask them,
>if they wanna join (or not).

Today, I sent the mail to the Crazy Bob at adress,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but I got no response so far. A dropped message
into the guice developer list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with title About WebBeans RI 
3 days ago, no response. Matthias, if you wish I could sent same email again to 
the Bob with CC you ?.

>doing it here is fine, IMO. That's why I offered help in being a
>mentor / champion.

>
> I wonder the voting is stopped in this time or how will the process continue?

>Hrm, we always can revote. IMO no need to rush; Things should be cleared before
>continuing the *process*

Ok. Just about my curious.

>_M

>
> Thanks;
>
> Gurkan
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:26:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>
> Gurkan-
>
> have you tried to ping the Guice folks ?
>
> I wonder if they
> a) would be interested in joining this effort, here at Apache (Crazy
> Bob is an apache committer)
> b) prefer to work on the RI, at JBoss (Crazy Bob is EG member)
> c) have no steaks into the WebBeans effort
>
> -Matthias
>
> 2008/10/13 Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> First of all, there are lots of places that I could propose my project, but 
>> I think that open source development with the Apache Way conveys the real 
>> Free and Professional Open Source Project with meritrocracy in action.
>>
>> This code could be part of the Geronimo project as its Web Beans container, 
>> or could be the top level project its own. I only know that there is only 
>> one effort to create RI, this is the JBoss RI  (Pete Muir is responsible for 
>> implementing, Gavin King for creating the spec) at the web side 
>> http://seamframework.org/WebBeans. And its implementation is in the early 
>> stage.
>>
>> Indeed, Apache way implementation makes different from the others, because 
>> and most importantly its developed based on the Apache Way and it also 
>> creates additions to the RI with creating add-on components that are based 
>> on the other Apache projects, such as, OpenEJB, OpenJPA, JSecurity, ActiveMQ 
>> etc, possible. Morevoer, It's always good to have multiple implementations 
>> of a spec so enterprise community benefits from the different 
>> imlpementations, and they choose the best (Like MyFaces and Sun JSF 
>> imeplemtnations.)
>>
>> I am ready for doing lots of work to this project progresses. Moreover, I 
>> get some great response from the below individuals to help this project 
>> succesfull,
>>
>> - Kevan Miller : As a mentor and partly committer
>> - Conny Lundgren : JSR-299 EG member as a committer.
>>
>> And also, I think the committer number is increased by the time.
>>
>> As I said in the beginning, I believe that open source must be transparent, 
>> and the community appreciates the heavy working to implement this spec 
>> within the Apache Foundation.
>>
>> Sincerely;
>>
>> Gurkan Erdogdu
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: J Aaron Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:13:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL - OpenWebBeans Project Proposal]
>>
>> Gurkan Erdogdu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Hi to all;
>>>
>>> I have posted a proposal about the project, named OpenWebBeans.
>>>
>>> It is in the WIKI, its address is
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenWebBeansProposal
>>
>> I have a number of questions before I can support the proposal:
>>
>> Where do you expect this code / community to end up after the
>> incubator?  Will it be part of Geronimo?  Part of MySpaces?  It's own
>> TLP?  I can say now that if the project is to stand on its own, then
>> there's a lot of work to do.
>>
>> It seems as though there are 2 or 3 other Apache licensed efforts in
>> creating a RI for JSR-299: Gavin King's work, JBoss's work and the
>> rumored Guice work.  What makes this RI effort any different?  Why
>> should

Etch report

2008-10-13 Thread David Crossley
> = Etch =
> 
> Etch was accepted into Incubator on the 2 September 2008. Since then the
> following items has been completed;
> 
>   * Project STATUS page, navigation and entry in projects/index.html has
> been set up.
>   * Mailing lists has been set up.
>   * Jira project has been set up.
>   * ICLAs for all initial committers has been submitted and recorded.
> 
> We are still waiting for a CCLA from Cisco, where all initial committers
> work.

AFAIK, the individual CLAs are all that is needed to
set up their accounts. If they think that a CCLA is
needed to clarify their situation, then surely that
can follow later.

> We also track all progress
> in JIRA (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-83) which is a lot
> easier than the STATUS page,
> and highly recommended for future recommended use to other podlings.

That is great (thanks for being an exemplar) and it
is obviously useful for you to manage your process.

However i reckon that it is still important to keep
the status page up-to-date. I was recently exited to
read the old proposal, but then became very discouraged
by the state of the Status page.

This is your frontspiece and a useful way to encourage
new developers.

-David

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