[gmx-users] [Fwd: installing gromacs on vista]

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Abraham

Hi,

I am not a free private help service. Please search the GROMACS webpage 
first, where your question is answered. If you have a specific problem, 
please ask the mailing list.


On point, GROMACS is a simulation package, not a molecule viewer.

Mark

 Original Message 
Subject:installing gromacs on vista
Date:   Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:59:12 -0800 (PST)
From:   maryam zargarzadeh maryamuni...@yahoo.com
To: mark.abra...@anu.edu.au



Dear Mark,

I just need to open some molecule drawings with gromacs but I only have
access to computer with vista. I looked at the website but it seems I
can install gromacs on linuxs systems only. Is that the case or can you
please help me with this? Is there any guideline on how to istall it on
vista if possible.


Thanks  Regards,
Maryam
U of Alberta


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[gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread rasoul nasiri
greetings GMX users,

When I use genbox command for filling solvent in CGMD simulation with
Gromacs suit, I must use a larger van der Waals distance to avoid crashes.
when I use default value (0.105nm), system will crash. Which distance is
suitable for performing CGMD simulation. I used  0.15 or 0.2nm as distances.
Are those OK? I have to switch back to the smaller radius afterward, Is it
correct? if yes, How can I do it? I tried with editconf but could not.

Best regards,
Rasoul
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Re: [gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread Mark Abraham

rasoul nasiri wrote:

greetings GMX users,

When I use genbox command for filling solvent in CGMD simulation with 
Gromacs suit, I must use a larger van der Waals distance to avoid 
crashes. when I use default value (0.105nm), system will crash. Which 
distance is suitable for performing CGMD simulation. I used  0.15 or 
0.2nm as distances. Are those OK? 


Read up on your forcefield and find out how large the particles tend 
to be. It only has to be good enough, not perfect.


I have to switch back to the smaller 
radius afterward, Is it correct? 


Changing what for what purpose?

if yes, How can I do it? I tried with 
editconf but could not.


I don't know what you mean.

Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread rasoul nasiri
Hi,

My purpose is finding of denaturation mechanism of proteins with MArtini
CGFF by Gromacs.
I mean after filling box in which there are beads of protein from water
beads with suitable van der wall distance (larger than 0.105nm), when I want
to start production phase, first switch back to the smaller radius of van
der waals of the water beads, then I will continue CGMD simulation. Is it
possible I reduce this radius? Which commands of Gromacs suit can do it?

Rasoul

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 rasoul nasiri wrote:

 greetings GMX users,

 When I use genbox command for filling solvent in CGMD simulation with
 Gromacs suit, I must use a larger van der Waals distance to avoid crashes.
 when I use default value (0.105nm), system will crash. Which distance is
 suitable for performing CGMD simulation. I used  0.15 or 0.2nm as distances.
 Are those OK?


 Read up on your forcefield and find out how large the particles tend to
 be. It only has to be good enough, not perfect.


  I have to switch back to the smaller radius afterward, Is it correct?


 Changing what for what purpose?


  if yes, How can I do it? I tried with editconf but could not.


 I don't know what you mean.

 Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread César Ávila
I suggest you read the original paper for Martini Protein FF. I think it is
not suitable for your purpouse.

2009/12/17 rasoul nasiri nasiri1...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 My purpose is finding of denaturation mechanism of proteins with MArtini
 CGFF by Gromacs.
 I mean after filling box in which there are beads of protein from water
 beads with suitable van der wall distance (larger than 0.105nm), when I want
 to start production phase, first switch back to the smaller radius of van
 der waals of the water beads, then I will continue CGMD simulation. Is it
 possible I reduce this radius? Which commands of Gromacs suit can do it?

 Rasoul


 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 rasoul nasiri wrote:

 greetings GMX users,

 When I use genbox command for filling solvent in CGMD simulation with
 Gromacs suit, I must use a larger van der Waals distance to avoid crashes.
 when I use default value (0.105nm), system will crash. Which distance is
 suitable for performing CGMD simulation. I used  0.15 or 0.2nm as distances.
 Are those OK?


 Read up on your forcefield and find out how large the particles tend to
 be. It only has to be good enough, not perfect.


  I have to switch back to the smaller radius afterward, Is it correct?


 Changing what for what purpose?


  if yes, How can I do it? I tried with editconf but could not.


 I don't know what you mean.

 Mark
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Re: [gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread rasoul nasiri
yes, I know there will be limitation for modeling of Folding/Unfolding
proteins with MARtini CGFF if I want to look at complete folding/unfolding
mechanism of proteins but I want to find out localized regions of the
protein (e.g. the C- or N-termini) that they have contribution to the
denaturation mechanism.
My question is about vdwd in beads of water. Is it OK if I select distances
of 0.15-0.20nm as vdwd of water beads in CGMD simulation or I have to
reconstruct the system in smaller vdw distance of the water beads for doing
my purpose. and Which commands of Gromacs can do it?

Best regards
Rasoul

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM, César Ávila clav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suggest you read the original paper for Martini Protein FF. I think it is
 not suitable for your purpouse.

 2009/12/17 rasoul nasiri nasiri1...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 My purpose is finding of denaturation mechanism of proteins with MArtini
 CGFF by Gromacs.
 I mean after filling box in which there are beads of protein from water
 beads with suitable van der wall distance (larger than 0.105nm), when I want
 to start production phase, first switch back to the smaller radius of van
 der waals of the water beads, then I will continue CGMD simulation. Is it
 possible I reduce this radius? Which commands of Gromacs suit can do it?

 Rasoul


 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.auwrote:

 rasoul nasiri wrote:

 greetings GMX users,

 When I use genbox command for filling solvent in CGMD simulation with
 Gromacs suit, I must use a larger van der Waals distance to avoid crashes.
 when I use default value (0.105nm), system will crash. Which distance is
 suitable for performing CGMD simulation. I used  0.15 or 0.2nm as 
 distances.
 Are those OK?


 Read up on your forcefield and find out how large the particles tend to
 be. It only has to be good enough, not perfect.


  I have to switch back to the smaller radius afterward, Is it correct?


 Changing what for what purpose?


  if yes, How can I do it? I tried with editconf but could not.


 I don't know what you mean.

 Mark
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[gmx-users] the resource of Vdw Radii in Vdwradii.dat

2009-12-17 Thread huikuan chao
Hi all

I am a new in using Gromacs 4

I now using g_sas to calculate the solvent accessible  surface. Yet, the
outcome informs me the  Vdw radius is missing for P atom in Vdwradii.dat.
Thus I check the file and want to add the value for P. However, though I
read through the Manual,  I can not find the reference of the source of the
values in  Vdwradii.dat.

Could some one tell me which paper these radius in Vdwradii.dat come from?

Thanks

Huikuan
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Re: [gmx-users] How can I reconstruct the system in CGMD simulation?

2009-12-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



rasoul nasiri wrote:
yes, I know there will be limitation for modeling of Folding/Unfolding 
proteins with MARtini CGFF if I want to look at complete 
folding/unfolding mechanism of proteins but I want to find out localized 
regions of the protein (e.g. the C- or N-termini) that they have 
contribution to the denaturation mechanism.
My question is about vdwd in beads of water. Is it OK if I select 
distances of 0.15-0.20nm as vdwd of water beads in CGMD simulation or I 
have to reconstruct the system in smaller vdw distance of the water 
beads for doing my purpose. and Which commands of Gromacs can do it?  



The values in vdwradii.dat are not used in the actual simulation.  They are used 
by tools like editconf and genbox when building the system.  Attractive and 
repulsive parameters for nonbonded interactions are defined by the force field, 
which is assembled in the input to mdrun.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] the resource of Vdw Radii in Vdwradii.dat

2009-12-17 Thread David van der Spoel

On 12/17/09 5:43 PM, huikuan chao wrote:

Hi all

I am a new in using Gromacs 4

I now using g_sas to calculate the solvent accessible  surface. Yet, 
the outcome informs me the  Vdw radius is missing for P atom in 
Vdwradii.dat.
Thus I check the file and want to add the value for P. However, though 
I read through the Manual,  I can not find the reference of the source 
of the values in  Vdwradii.dat.


Could some one tell me which paper these radius in Vdwradii.dat come from?

Thanks

Huikuan
Unfortunately there is no ref. But you can easily add your own favorite 
values.


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[gmx-users] How is calculated the bind free energy GROMACS???

2009-12-17 Thread deisy yurley rodriguez sarmiento
Hi,
I need to know how to calculated GROMACS, the bind free energy, words, 
equations used to calculated the bind free energy in the sub-program g_lie.
Thank you

Deisy Y. Rodriguez S.
Practicante de Computos Avanzados
Grupo de Investigacion en Fisicoquimica Teorica y Experimental GIFTEX
Tel. 6344000  ext. 2792
Universidad Industrial  de Santander



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[gmx-users] Re: gmx-users Digest, Vol 68, Issue 86

2009-12-17 Thread Alan Chen
Hi All:

I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the already excellent comments posted
about the conversion of different types of ion Lennard-Jones parameters,
since I get lots of emails about this very subject.

It is misleading to think of an ion parameter as a SINGLE value of sigma and
epsilon.  The combination rules are a sort of shorthand, what was actually
parametrized were PAIRS of lennard-jones interactions between ions and
various other particles.  So in any attempt to transplant parameters from
one convention to another, at a minimum, one must refer to the original
parametrization literature to see precisely which interactions must be
preserved (via specific overrides in a topology or FF .itp file). For all
ion parameters, this definitely includes the ion-water interaction, since
this determines the free energy of solvation. In the case of the Cheatham 
Young ions,  the motivation for these parameters was to avoid
crystallization artifacts caused  by anomalously short cation-anion
distances, which was alleviated by including the crystal lattice as part of
the parametrization, therefore the cation-anion interaction parameter must
also be overridden.

The sigma primes that are mentioned are derivable using very simple
algebra,  just by setting the sigma for a particular interaction PAIR to be
equal under both mixing rules, and solving for sigma prime.  For example,
here is a description of how Aqvist's ions were transplanted into AMBER
(note that this description is slightly more complicated because of a
conversion from R* to sigma, and that TIP3P O sigmas are identical in
either  combination rule).
http://ambermd.org/Questions/vdw.html (Note that this only preserves one
particular interaction PAIR, you would have to repeat this process for any
additional interactions in your simulation unless you are simulating only
ions and water.)

But just because you CAN do this doesn't mean it's a good idea. In
principle, one would have to override every possible pair interaction with
the  transplanted ion using the mixing rules appropriate to the ion. Even
then, you have no guarantees that any interaction that was not explicitly
part of the parametrization process are sane or correct, both because  the
new force field likely uses different charges and L-J parameters for
equivalent biomolecular atoms, and because you have no guarantee that these
interactions were at all validated even in the original force field unless
it was part of the parametrization process.

Practically speaking, however, it is only the water and highly charged
moieties that one will need to pay particular attention to, but my point is
that this  should always be done with great care, since small inaccuracies
in transplanting ion parameters can have dramatically bad results due to the
large energies involved (see Cheatham  Young's original report or my own in
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp0765392).

Cheers,

Alan Chen

postdoctoral research associate - Garcia Group
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
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   On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Reza Salari resa...@yahoo.com
  mailto:resa...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
   Hi All,
  
   Recently there has been a new set of ion parameters published by
  Joung and Chetham and I am interested in running some test runs using
  these parameters. These set of parameters are based on using LB rule
  (arithmetic mean) for sigmas.
  
   However I am using OPLS-AA ff so I am using the combination rule 3
  (geometric mean of corresponding A and B values). My question is that
  can I use the exact sigma values from Cheatham for my simulations? I'm
  almost positive that I have to change these sigma values to be
  consistent with the combination rule that I am using. In fact there is
  a paper by Horinek et al that has a nice table of different ionic
  sigma and epsilon values from different parameter sets (Aqvist,
  Jensen, Cheatham,..). The article is
   here:
  
 
 http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normalid=JCPSA60001301212450701idtype=cvipsgifs=Yes
  
 http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normalid=JCPSA60001301212450701idtype=cvipsgifs=Yes
 
  
   In that table, they have mentioned two sigmas; a usual sigma (which
  is used with rule 2) and a sigma prime (which can be used with rule
  3). However it seems sort of unclear to me how they got these value
  since in some references that they've mentioned I could find either
  sigma or sigma prime, not both. So I am guessing there must be some
  way to convert these two sigmas to each other.
  
   So does anyone know if there is such way? Does GROMACS internally
  treats sigmas as sigma prime for OPLS-AA? I looked at the manual and
  also searched the mailing list to find an explanation but without
  luck. I really appreciate any help on
   clarifying this.
  
   Regards,
   Reza Salari
  
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[gmx-users] Re: sulfate atomtype for ffgmx (Justin A. Lemkul)

2009-12-17 Thread Niesen, Michiel
Thank you both for the suggestions. 

My system does also contain carbohydrates (sugar) and ffoplsaa.atp does not 
contain the atomtypes for these molecules. Even though carbohydrate parameters 
have been published for OPLS they are not present in the ffoplsaa.atp file. I 
did look into the available atomtypes in all the force fields in the downloaded 
GROMACS package (4.0.5) and the one that has most of the molecules I require is 
ffgmx. 

Perhaps the GROMOS force fields can be used as well allthough they dont have 
seperate sugar atomtypes (CH2 = aliphatic or sugar carbon), or the porphyrin N 
that is also present in my simulation. The Sulfate is also missing in GROMOS.

That was the reason why I finally ended up with the decrapetated ffgmx, because 
it contains all but one specific atomtype I require. Should I prevent using 
ffgmx completely since it is decrapetated? Can the OPLS-AA carbohydrate 
parameters be ported to GROMACS? Or is it better to try and run my system in a 
different MD package that contains all specific atomtypes?

Michiel 

_

Niesen, Michiel wrote:

 Dear all,

 I would like to perform MD simulations on a molecule that contains a
 carbon chain with a sulfonyl (R-SO2-R) group in between. When looking at
 the available atomtypes for ffgmx I didnt find a sulfate S. Only sulfur
 (S) and DMSO sulphur atomtypes are available. In literature I did find
 GROMACS simulations performed on systems with a sulfate group but all of
 them used the standard Sulfur atomtype.


If there is precedent, you may be able to use it.  However, you should be warned
that ffgmx is considered a deprecated force field, and in the absence of a very
compelling reason to use it, probably isn't a wise choice.  There are many
(newer) versions of Gromos force fields that are probably more reliable.

 So my question; Would it be reasonable to use the sulfur atomtype for a
 sulfonyl group R-SO2-R? (as done previously in literature) If not, is
 there a sulfate atomtype available for ffgmx or would you recommend me
 to use another force field such as CHARMM for this system?


There are numerous sulfur atom types in OPLS-AA that may be usable.  Have a look
at the .atp file to see.  CHARMM is not yet officially supported in Gromacs, so
that force field probably isn't a viable option.

-Justin

 Kind regards,
  Michiel

_

ffgmx is deprecated, so the answer is use another force field. In
general it is not reasonable to use an atom type in a functional group
that differs markedly from that it which it was parameterized.

Mark
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[gmx-users] error with changing pdb file

2009-12-17 Thread ksm tprk

Hello,
While I am simulating my simulations, I encountered below error. I have pdb 
file which is:
HEADERPROTEINTITLE (5,5) Nanotube (1,1,80) replicationAUTHORTubeGen 
3.3, J T Frey, University of DelawareEXPDTATHEORETICAL MODELATOM  1  C  
 UNK 1   3.410   0.000 -98.494  1.00  0.00ATOM  2  C   UNK 1
   3.113   1.390 -98.494  1.00  0.00ATOM  3  C   UNK 1   2.758   
2.004 -97.263  1.00  0.00ATOM  4  C   UNK 1   1.702   2.954 -97.263 
 1.00  0.00ATOM  5  C   UNK 1   1.054   3.243 -98.494  1.00  
0.00ATOM  6  C   UNK 1  -0.360   3.391 -98.494  1.00  0.00ATOM  
7  C   UNK 1  -1.054   3.243 -97.263  1.00  0.00ATOM  8  C   UNK
 1  -2.284   2.532 -97.263  1.00  0.00ATOM  9  C   UNK 1  
-2.758   2.004 -98.494  1.00  0.00...
CONECT 1596 1595 1597CONECT 1597 1576 1596 1598CONECT 1598 1579 1597 1599CONECT 
1599 1598 1600CONECT 1600 1581 1599MASTER000000
00 16000 16000END   

But by using text editor, I change an atom with another atom.And I created .top 
and .gro files respectively.( my sample is basically similar to Christopher 
Stiles' work, http://cs86.com/CNSE/SWNT.htm)

After I run my simulation, it gives the error:


Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.1#checking input for 
internal consistency...calling cpp...processing topology...Generated 1282 of 
the 1485 non-bonded parameter combinationsWARNING 1 [file cnt_500.top, line 
72238]:  No default Angle types, using zeroesWARNING 2 [file cnt_500.top, 
line 72238]:  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal 
valuesWARNING 3 [file cnt_500.top, line 72239]:  No default Angle types, 
using zeroesWARNING 4 [file cnt_500.top, line 72239]:  No default Angle types 
for perturbed atoms, using normal valuesWARNING 5 [file cnt_500.top, line 
72240]:  No default Angle types, using zeroesWARNING 6 [file cnt_500.top, 
line 72240]:  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal 
valuesWARNING 7 [file cnt_500.top, line 72241]:  No default Angle types, 
using zeroesWARNING 8 [file cnt_500.top, line 72241]:  No default Angle types 
for perturbed atoms, using normal valuesWARNING 9 [file cnt_500.top, line 
72242]:  No default Angle types, using zeroesWARNING 10 [file cnt_500.top, 
line 72242]:  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal 
valuesCleaning up temporary file 
gromppYFxvHw---Program 
grompp_mpi, VERSION 3.3.1Source code file: fatal.c, line: 416
Fatal error:Too many warnings, grompp_mpi 
terminated---

Without changing my pdb file, there was no error but after I can an atom with 
another, I got above error.Is there anyone who had same problem before? I will 
really appreciate if you can help me. 
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Re: [gmx-users] error with changing pdb file

2009-12-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



ksm tprk wrote:

Hello,

While I am simulating my simulations, I encountered below error. 
I have pdb file which is:


HEADERPROTEIN
TITLE (5,5) Nanotube (1,1,80) replication
AUTHORTubeGen 3.3, J T Frey, University of Delaware
EXPDTATHEORETICAL MODEL
ATOM  1  C   UNK 1   3.410   0.000 -98.494  1.00  0.00
ATOM  2  C   UNK 1   3.113   1.390 -98.494  1.00  0.00
ATOM  3  C   UNK 1   2.758   2.004 -97.263  1.00  0.00
ATOM  4  C   UNK 1   1.702   2.954 -97.263  1.00  0.00
ATOM  5  C   UNK 1   1.054   3.243 -98.494  1.00  0.00
ATOM  6  C   UNK 1  -0.360   3.391 -98.494  1.00  0.00
ATOM  7  C   UNK 1  -1.054   3.243 -97.263  1.00  0.00
ATOM  8  C   UNK 1  -2.284   2.532 -97.263  1.00  0.00
ATOM  9  C   UNK 1  -2.758   2.004 -98.494  1.00  0.00
...
CONECT 1596 1595 1597
CONECT 1597 1576 1596 1598
CONECT 1598 1579 1597 1599
CONECT 1599 1598 1600
CONECT 1600 1581 1599
MASTER00000000 16000 16000
END   



But by using text editor, I change an atom with another atom.
And I created .top and .gro files respectively.
( my sample is basically similar to Christopher Stiles' 
work, http://cs86.com/CNSE/SWNT.htm)



After I run my simulation, it gives the error:



Back Off! I just backed up mdout.mdp to ./#mdout.mdp.1#
checking input for internal consistency...
calling cpp...
processing topology...
Generated 1282 of the 1485 non-bonded parameter combinations
WARNING 1 [file cnt_500.top, line 72238]:
  No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 2 [file cnt_500.top, line 72238]:
  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal values
WARNING 3 [file cnt_500.top, line 72239]:
  No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 4 [file cnt_500.top, line 72239]:
  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal values
WARNING 5 [file cnt_500.top, line 72240]:
  No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 6 [file cnt_500.top, line 72240]:
  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal values
WARNING 7 [file cnt_500.top, line 72241]:
  No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 8 [file cnt_500.top, line 72241]:
  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal values
WARNING 9 [file cnt_500.top, line 72242]:
  No default Angle types, using zeroes
WARNING 10 [file cnt_500.top, line 72242]:
  No default Angle types for perturbed atoms, using normal values
Cleaning up temporary file gromppYFxvHw
---
Program grompp_mpi, VERSION 3.3.1
Source code file: fatal.c, line: 416

Fatal error:
Too many warnings, grompp_mpi terminated
---


Without changing my pdb file, there was no error but after I can an atom 
with another, I got above error.
Is there anyone who had same problem before? I will really appreciate if 
you can help me. 



If you have altered the atom numbers or types without re-generating the 
topology, then the angles in the topology will no longer make sense.


-Justin

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[gmx-users] LIE precision and accuracy

2009-12-17 Thread Marc Charendoff
Hello,

  I am in the middle of using Gromacs 3.3.3 to evaulate interaction 
energies between a protein and two separate ligands to compare their binding 
affinities. In doing this I have run each solvated complex through a 1 ns MD 
simulation and each solvated ligand through a 1 ns MD simulation. After the 
trajectories were complete, I ran g_lie on the trajectories  for each case.  
Next, I subtracted the average ligand LIE from the average complex LIE for each 
case to get the interaction energy . Data is as follows:

 Ligand 1 Ligand 2 
LIE (kcal/mol)   -5.7   -8.9 
St dev.    6.7    4.7 


While the average energies themselves are reasonable, the st dev's seem to me 
to be too large - rendering the energy difference meaningless. I calculated the 
st. dev's based on the trajectories' g_lie values (in this case 1000 data 
points for a 1 ns run). I read in the tutorials that PME condition should not 
be used with g_lie, so I switched to cut-offs for my electrostatic forces. Is 
there anything else I might be missing? Again, I know the st. dev's are just 
too high to make g_lie useful so I blame myself for the initial setup. My .mdp 
file is below.

Thanks, Marc

; mdrun for C4AHL on unix parameters
title = trp_drg MD
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; location of cpp on linux
constraints = all-bonds
integrator = md
dt = 0.002 ; ps!
nsteps = 50 ; total 1000 ps
nstcomm = 1
nstxout = 500 ; output coords every 1 ps
nstvout = 0
nstfout = 0
nstenergy = 500
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
pbc = xyz
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = cut-off
rcoulomb = 1.2
vdwtype = cut-off
rvdw = 1.4
;fourierspacing = 0.12
;fourier_nx = 0
;fourier_ny = 0
;fourier_nz = 0
;pme_order = 6
;ewald_rtol = 1e-5
;optimize_fft = yes
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in five groups
Tcoupl = berendsen
tau_t = 0.1 0.1
tc-grps = protein non-protein 
ref_t = 300 300
; Use Energy group monitoring
energygrps = protein C6L OHY SOL Na+ 
; Pressure coupling is on
Pcoupl = berendsen
pcoupltype = isotropic
tau_p = 1.0
compressibility = 4.5e-5
ref_p = 1.0
; Generate velocities is on at 300 K
gen_vel = yes
gen_temp = 300.0
gen_seed = -1
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Re: [gmx-users] error with changing pdb file

2009-12-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



ksm tprk wrote:

I changed pdb file after that I generated topology file.



It appears you are relying on grompp to figure out what parameters should be 
used for these angles, and apparently, given these atom types, there are no 
default values available in the force field you've chosen to use.  So either 
specify parameters manually or use a different force field.


If you need further advice, it would be useful to know the force field you're 
trying to use and see the problematic lines of the topology alongside the 
modified coordinate file.


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Re: [gmx-users] LIE precision and accuracy

2009-12-17 Thread David van der Spoel

On 12/17/09 9:24 PM, Marc Charendoff wrote:

Hello,
  I am in the middle of using Gromacs 3.3.3 to evaulate 
interaction energies between a protein and two separate ligands to 
compare their binding affinities. In doing this I have run each 
solvated complex through a 1 ns MD simulation and each solvated ligand 
through a 1 ns MD simulation. After the trajectories were complete, I 
ran g_lie on the trajectories  for each case.  Next, I subtracted the 
average ligand LIE from the average complex LIE for each case to get 
the interaction energy . Data is as follows:


*Ligand 1*  *Ligand 2*
*LIE (kcal/mol)*  -5.7-8.9
*St dev.*  6.7 4.7

While the average energies themselves are reasonable, the st dev's 
seem to me to be too large - rendering the energy difference 
meaningless. I calculated the st. dev's based on the trajectories' 
g_lie values (in this case 1000 data points for a 1 ns run). I read in 
the tutorials that PME condition should not be used with g_lie, so I 
switched to cut-offs for my electrostatic forces. Is there anything 
else I might be missing? Again, I know the st. dev's are just too high 
to make g_lie useful so I blame myself for the initial setup. My .mdp 
file is below.

Cut-off should not be used either :).

You can estimate the error rather than std. dev. using g_analyze -ee



Thanks, Marc

; mdrun for C4AHL on unix parameters

title = trp_drg MD

cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; location of cpp on linux

constraints = all-bonds

integrator = md

dt = 0.002 ; ps!

nsteps = 50 ; total 1000 ps

nstcomm = 1

nstxout = 500 ; output coords every 1 ps

nstvout = 0

nstfout = 0

nstenergy = 500

nstlist = 10

ns_type = grid

pbc = xyz

rlist = 0.9

coulombtype = cut-off

rcoulomb = 1.2

vdwtype = cut-off

rvdw = 1.4

;fourierspacing = 0.12

;fourier_nx = 0

;fourier_ny = 0

;fourier_nz = 0

;pme_order = 6

;ewald_rtol = 1e-5

;optimize_fft = yes

; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in five groups

Tcoupl = berendsen

tau_t = 0.1 0.1

tc-grps = protein non-protein

ref_t = 300 300

; Use Energy group monitoring

energygrps = protein C6L OHY SOL Na+

; Pressure coupling is on

Pcoupl = berendsen

pcoupltype = isotropic

tau_p = 1.0

compressibility = 4.5e-5

ref_p = 1.0

; Generate velocities is on at 300 K

gen_vel = yes

gen_temp = 300.0

gen_seed = -1

free_energy = yes




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[gmx-users] LIE precision and accuracy

2009-12-17 Thread chris . neale
In spite of the fact that I have never used g_lie, I have used a  
variety of different techniques to calculate binding free energies,  
and I would be astounded if it was possible to get the precision that  
you desire with only 1 ns of sampling per state. Are you sure that the  
reported imprecision is different from the actual imprecision obtained  
via 1 ns of sampling? Generally, one evaluates the convergence by  
block averaging or some other convergence indicator. If you do find a  
measure by which your precision is reported to be very good, then I  
would suspect that your sampling is trapped and that your free  
energies are not accurate in any event. In short, I think that your  
comment about rendering the energy difference meaningless is  
actually quite astute.


Chris.

-- original message --

Hello,

  I am in the middle of using Gromacs 3.3.3 to evaulate  
interaction energies between a protein and two separate ligands to  
compare their binding affinities. In doing this I have run each  
solvated complex through a 1 ns MD simulation and each solvated ligand  
through a 1 ns MD simulation. After the trajectories were complete, I  
ran g_lie on the trajectories  for each case.  Next, I subtracted the  
average ligand LIE from the average complex LIE for each case to get  
the interaction energy . Data is as follows:


 Ligand 1 Ligand 2
LIE (kcal/mol)   -5.7   -8.9
St dev.6.74.7


While the average energies themselves are reasonable, the st dev's  
seem to me to be too large - rendering the energy difference  
meaningless. I calculated the st. dev's based on the trajectories'  
g_lie values (in this case 1000 data points for a 1 ns run). I read in  
the tutorials that PME condition should not be used with g_lie, so I  
switched to cut-offs for my electrostatic forces. Is there anything  
else I might be missing? Again, I know the st. dev's are just too high  
to make g_lie useful so I blame myself for the initial setup. My .mdp  
file is below.


Thanks, Marc

; mdrun for C4AHL on unix parameters
title = trp_drg MD
cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; location of cpp on linux
constraints = all-bonds
integrator = md
dt = 0.002 ; ps!
nsteps = 50 ; total 1000 ps
nstcomm = 1
nstxout = 500 ; output coords every 1 ps
nstvout = 0
nstfout = 0
nstenergy = 500
nstlist = 10
ns_type = grid
pbc = xyz
rlist = 0.9
coulombtype = cut-off
rcoulomb = 1.2
vdwtype = cut-off
rvdw = 1.4
;fourierspacing = 0.12
;fourier_nx = 0
;fourier_ny = 0
;fourier_nz = 0
;pme_order = 6
;ewald_rtol = 1e-5
;optimize_fft = yes
; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in five groups
Tcoupl = berendsen
tau_t = 0.1 0.1
tc-grps = protein non-protein
ref_t = 300 300
; Use Energy group monitoring
energygrps = protein C6L OHY SOL Na+
; Pressure coupling is on
Pcoupl = berendsen
pcoupltype = isotropic
tau_p = 1.0
compressibility = 4.5e-5
ref_p = 1.0
; Generate velocities is on at 300 K
gen_vel = yes
gen_temp = 300.0
gen_seed = -1
free_energy = yes


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Re: [gmx-users] error with changing pdb file

2009-12-17 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



ksm tprk wrote:

Hello Justin,


I looked at in my gromacs/3.3.1 and it ahs only ffgmx.n2t force field 
file. because of that, I chaged to new version gromacs.
I tried to use different force filed but new version gromacs but they 
didn't work.
I used gromacs/4.0.5 and I created .gro and by using x2top but it give 
below errors. If I use pdb2gmx, it gives me residue UNK error.
First I used GROMOS96 53a5 force field (JCC 2004 vol 25 pag 1656) but 
it gave me below error:



Can not find forcefield for atom C-1597 with 3 bonds
Can not find forcefield for atom C-1598 with 3 bonds
Can not find forcefield for atom C-1599 with 2 bonds
Can not find forcefield for atom C-1600 with 2 bonds

---
Program x2top_mpi, VERSION 4.0.5
Source code file: x2top.c, line: 207

Fatal error:
Could only find a forcefield type for 0 out of 1600 atoms
---


After that I used OPLS-AA/L all-atom force field (2001 aminoacid 
dihedrals) and it gave me:



Looking whether force field files exist
Opening library file /opt/apps/gromacs/4.0.5/share/gromacs/top/ffoplsaa.rtp
Opening library file ffoplsaa.n2t
Opening library file ffoplsaa.n2t
There are 25 name to type translations
Generating bonds from distances...
atom 1600
Can not find forcefield for atom N-25 with 3 bonds

---
Program x2top_mpi, VERSION 4.0.5
Source code file: x2top.c, line: 207

Fatal error:
Could only find a forcefield type for 1599 out of 1600 atoms
---



And I tried [DEPRECATED] Gromacs force field (see manual) and Encad 
all-atom force field, using scaled-down vacuum charges. they gave me 
same error at first.




The 4.0.5 version of x2top is broken unless you use the -nopbc option, which, 
for the purposes of carbon nanotubes, is useless unless you specify all the 
cross-boundary bonded terms yourself.


You had a functional topology before, why are you starting over?  You didn't 
give a very clear description of the changes you were making that were inducing 
the grompp errors, and you stand a better chance of identifying those problems 
and solving them if you provide the information I asked for last time (relevant 
topology lines and the corresponding coordinate entries).


-Justin


Thank you,
Kasim








  Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:31:23 -0500
  From: jalem...@vt.edu
  To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] error with changing pdb file
 
 
 
  ksm tprk wrote:
   I changed pdb file after that I generated topology file.
  
 
  It appears you are relying on grompp to figure out what parameters 
should be
  used for these angles, and apparently, given these atom types, there 
are no
  default values available in the force field you've chosen to use. So 
either

  specify parameters manually or use a different force field.
 
  If you need further advice, it would be useful to know the force 
field you're
  trying to use and see the problematic lines of the topology alongside 
the

  modified coordinate file.
 
  -Justin
 
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[gmx-users] trjcat error

2009-12-17 Thread Anirban Ghosh
Hi ALL,

I have 3 5 nano-seconds trajectory files (.trr) of a protein+lipid+water
simulation. I am using trjcat to join them into a single .trr file for
analysis and getting the following error:

---
Continue writing frames from PRO_10_NS.part0003.trr t=4604 ps,
frame=2302
 -  frame   3990 time 7980.000 ps -  frame   3910 time 7820.000 ps

---
Program trjcat, VERSION 4.0.5
Source code file: trnio.c, line: 66

File input/output error:
Can not determine precision of trn file


What should I do? Any suggestion is welcome.


Regards,

Anirban
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Re: [gmx-users] trjcat error

2009-12-17 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Anirban,

Check each trajectory with gmxcheck to see whether they are okay.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Anirban Ghosh
reach.anirban.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi ALL,

 I have 3 5 nano-seconds trajectory files (.trr) of a protein+lipid+water
 simulation. I am using trjcat to join them into a single .trr file for
 analysis and getting the following error:

 ---
 Continue writing frames from PRO_10_NS.part0003.trr t=4604 ps,
 frame=2302
  -  frame   3990 time 7980.000 ps -  frame   3910 time 7820.000 ps
 ---
 Program trjcat, VERSION 4.0.5
 Source code file: trnio.c, line: 66

 File input/output error:
 Can not determine precision of trn file
 

 What should I do? Any suggestion is welcome.


 Regards,

 Anirban


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