Re: Desktop Linux (fwd)
> I've heard that Lycoris has a distro designed by former Microsoft > employees. Does anyone know if it looks or operates much like > Windows XP? Is there a link available for an eval copy? I don't know much about Lycoris but you could check out www.lycoris.com. One thing they don't make immediately obvious there is that Lycoris is based on Caldera Linux, whose parent company (SCO) is currently enjoying plenty of negative press. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Desktop Linux (fwd)
I'm guessing this message was supposed to go to the greater new hampshire linux user's list at large. Jenny, the list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a barrel full of people there to help out Anyone have info on lycoris? I'm unfamiliar with it. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:56:13 -0500 From: Jenny Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Desktop Linux Today, my company doesn't run Linux on any of its client hardware and I understand the main reason is that the learning curve is too steep for Windows users. I've heard that Lycoris has a distro designed by former Microsoft employees. Does anyone know if it looks or operates much like Windows XP? Is there a link available for an eval copy? Thanks JenWong ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
Note the following excerpt from the "man gcc." -- __ | 0|___||. Andrew Gaunt - Computing Development Environment _| _| : : } Lucent Intranet: http://mvcde.inse.lucent.com/~quantum -(O)-==-o\ Internet: http://www.gaunt.org -pedantic Issue all the warnings demanded by strict ANSI standard C; reject all programs that use forbidden extensions. Valid ANSI standard C programs should compile properly with or without this option (though a rare few will require `-ansi'). However, without this option, certain GNU ex tensions and traditional C features are supported as well. With this option, they are rejected. There is no reason to use this option; it exists only to satisfy pedants. `-pedantic' does not cause warning messages for use of the alternate keywords whose names begin and end with `__'. Pedantic warnings are also disabled in the expression that fol lows __extension__. However, only system header files should use these escape routes; application programs should avoid them. -pedantic-errors Like `-pedantic', except that errors are produced rather than warnings. Jason wrote: I had to look this up and I was an English major 8). FWIW Pedantic: Marked by a narrow, often tiresome focus on or display of learning and especially its trivial aspects: a pedantic writing style; an academic insistence on precision; a bookish vocabulary; donnish refinement of speech; scholastic and excessively subtle reasoning. Just to be *really* pedantic: NetBIOS is the whole suite of protocols. WINS is a method for centralized registration of names in NetBIOS. In fact, the *official* name for WINS is "NetBIOS Name Service", or NBNS. Microsoft, of course, had to make up their own name. "Broadcast" is the other major form of name resolution under NetBIOS. Jason Kern www.KernBuilt.com 603.823.5150 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: pedantry (Re: apt-spy)
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 03:19:09AM +0900, Derek Martin wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 11:22:26AM -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote: > >truly zippy ones. I've just done a fairly ponderous > >'apt-get dist-upgrade' at work where the throughput > >for the whole session averaged over 1gB/S, which is Woohoo! Can I get a job there? ;-) > ...duuuhh, I meant to say megabyte, not gigabyte. Aw, shucks... What a let-down. Our new lab network here is gigabit ethernet (not gigabyte, not yet anyway). It's really fun pushing 100 MB debug kernels around in about a second or so. It's also fun watching the FTP complete in just a second, and waiting several seconds for `sync` to return. :-) -- Bob Bell ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: pedantry (Re: apt-spy)
> >a tad faster than the 150kB/S I'd been seeing from > >some of the better known mirrors. > > For what it's worth (which is very little, I'm quite sure), S > is the SI abbreviation for the siemens, which is the SI unit for > electrical conductance. Presumably you're talking about seconds, > which should be abbreviated lower-case s. Yah, I figured I'd got it wrong but didn't take time to look it up. Oh, well - thanks to you, I now sit corrected, proving that you're at least as useful as a pair of orthopedic skivvies. ;-> (orthopedantic?) I should mention that I (think I) heard that some very early versions of apt-spy would rewrite your sources.list file without saving the previous version, so if you're running an ancient Debian box, heads up. (I've never seen one had that problem, though...) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Samba related question.
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, at 2:51am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You obviously haven't been paying close attention to this list very > long... we have many pedants here, and many pedantic discussions. An > overabundance of pedantry, really... ;-) Hey! I resemble that remark! ;-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | | not represent the views or policy of any other person or organization. | | All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
pedantry (Re: apt-spy)
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 11:22:26AM -0500, Michael ODonnell wrote: > >truly zippy ones. I've just done a fairly ponderous > >'apt-get dist-upgrade' at work where the throughput > >for the whole session averaged over 1gB/S, which is Woohoo! Can I get a job there? ;-) > ...duuuhh, I meant to say megabyte, not gigabyte. Aw, shucks... What a let-down. > >a tad faster than the 150kB/S I'd been seeing from > >some of the better known mirrors. For what it's worth (which is very little, I'm quite sure), S is the SI abbreviation for the siemens, which is the SI unit for electrical conductance. Presumably you're talking about seconds, which should be abbreviated lower-case s. I will not touch the megabyte-mebibyte issue... -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Samba related question.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 11:23:38AM -0500, Jason wrote: > I had to look this up and I was an English major 8). You obviously haven't been paying close attention to this list very long... we have many pedants here, and many pedantic discussions. An overabundance of pedantry, really... ;-) -- Derek D. Martin http://www.pizzashack.org/ GPG Key ID: 0xDFBEAD02 -=-=-=-=- This message is posted from an invalid address. Replying to it will result in undeliverable mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank the spammers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Samba related question.
I had to look this up and I was an English major 8). FWIW Pedantic: Marked by a narrow, often tiresome focus on or display of learning and especially its trivial aspects: a pedantic writing style; an academic insistence on precision; a bookish vocabulary; donnish refinement of speech; scholastic and excessively subtle reasoning. > Just to be *really* pedantic: > NetBIOS is the whole suite of protocols. WINS is a method for centralized >registration of names in NetBIOS. In fact, the *official* name for WINS is >"NetBIOS Name Service", or NBNS. Microsoft, of course, had to make up their >own name. "Broadcast" is the other major form of name resolution under >NetBIOS. Jason Kern www.KernBuilt.com 603.823.5150 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: apt-spy
>Just a tip to fellow Debian users out there: check out >apt-spy - it benchmarks connection speeds from your >site to various Debian mirrors (many of which you're >unlikely to have heard about) and can find you some >truly zippy ones. I've just done a fairly ponderous >'apt-get dist-upgrade' at work where the throughput >for the whole session averaged over 1gB/S, which is ...duuuhh, I meant to say megabyte, not gigabyte. >a tad faster than the 150kB/S I'd been seeing from >some of the better known mirrors. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
apt-spy
Just a tip to fellow Debian users out there: check out apt-spy - it benchmarks connection speeds from your site to various Debian mirrors (many of which you're unlikely to have heard about) and can find you some truly zippy ones. I've just done a fairly ponderous 'apt-get dist-upgrade' at work where the throughput for the whole session averaged over 1gB/S, which is a tad faster than the 150kB/S I'd been seeing from some of the better known mirrors. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: ABM Considered Harmful (was: piercing corporate)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I do believe there *are* things on Linux that make it inherently more secure then Microsoft products. (I've even said so, in this forum, recently.) More importantly, I believe it is easier and cheaper to operate a Linux system in a secure fashion then to do the same with a Windoze system. I just don't believe *any* of those advantages come into play when you look at the current exploit techniques being used again Windoze. They all attack (1) hideously insecure system configurations, (2) plainly out-of-date software, and/or (3) blatant user ignorance. Linux is equally vulnerable to all three of those. Again, it doesn't matter how good your locking mechanism is, if the problem is that people don't lock the door in the first place. I've explained this, at length, to countless people, and some of them *still* won't do what is needed to fix things. Ever *after* multiple compromises. I find it nothing less then dumbfounding. That's the real problem. Linux can do nothing to fight it. Absolutely true. MyDoom exploited no security flaws in Microsoft software. It took advantage of users being tricked into manually opening attachments. I ought to have been stunned to see people do that after this much time, but I'm cynical enough not to be. ;-) I have to explain the same virus hoax to the same people every year. I've had one person delete the JDBGR.EXE file in Windows three times. (There is a hoax about a virus which tells the user to delete this file, which is the Java Debugger for Windows.) So, if the same hoax can take the same people repeatedly, there seems little hope that education will actually solve the underlying problem. BTW, these aren't stupid people, nor even ignorant since I've explained the hoax each time to them. One of them has said twice that she remembers my explanation - after I remind her, but when the situation arises, she forgets it and reacts. -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: ABM Considered Harmful (was: piercing corporate)
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, at 5:17am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VBScript and WSH are something else. They're basically a system scripting language, just like Perl or Python (and, indeed, you can connect both of those to WSH). The luser has to "double click" to open the attachment and run the script. That is equally possible under Linux. Actually, it is possible to have VBScript execute automatically without user intervention. You can code HTML in web pages or emails which does this. Similarly Outlook will still execute Javascript in emails. (So will Mozilla, but it can be turned off.) If you use certain file extensions, I believe Internet Explorer would execute WSH code in local user security (rather than Internet security). I believe there are patches for Internet Explorer and Outlook to eliminate this behavior, but it did/does exist. I've gleaned these from security discussions, not personal experience. Most of my clientelle use Mozilla (or Netscape), which are relatively immune to the more egregious exploits it seems. -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
[OFF-TOPIC] Microsoft security (was: multilanguage support ...)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually thought of that. I even went so far as to click the "International" link on that same page, and picked "Korea". Unfortunately, the resulting page was in Korean. (At least, it used ideographs. For all I know, they were Vorlon ideographs.) I guess that makes sense, but as *I* don't read Korean, I had to stop there. Sorry. To be pedantic, Korean doesn't use ideographs. It is a syllabic script (an alphabet with grouping into syllables). It does mix Chinese Han ideographs in it though (except on Hangul day, when only Korean is allowed to be written). It doesn't look anything like Vorlon. (Though in a odd coincidence, one of the debian developers working on Korean support uses vorlon in his email address. So maybe there is a secret link there.) ;-) -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-624-7272 *** Technical Support for over a Quarter Century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Shell redirection is rewinding?!?
kclark wrote: >makewhatis is a shell script that does all sorts of hokey stuff >with shell redirection, like opening its own fds for stderr Yeah - what HE said. FYI, depending on your purposes, it's possible that executing makewhatis via the "script" program could help you capture the info you need, though that approach has its own problems... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Shell redirection is rewinding?!?
> Could someone here slap me upside the head and point me in the right > direction? makewhatis is a shell script that does all sorts of hokey stuff with shell redirection, like opening its own fds for stderr (example: echo blah >/dev/stderr) and for "stdout" too (example: echo blah >/dev/tty). Practices such as this in shell scripts are marginal at best, and it could probably be argued that these coding techniques are simply wrong. For example, confusing /dev/tty with stdout is typically a mistake made by people who have been infected with the idea that the C shell is an acceptable shell to do any work with. Perhaps there's a reason why the code does all of this, but if there is, I don't know what this reason is. Anyways, makewhatis does a lot of work using such hokey shell redirection techniques, and in the end, all of these techniques end up truncating stderr. So, during the period of time that makewhatis is running, it's not surprising to me that the fs is reporting that the file is growing, but in the end, eventually the code in makewhatis truncates the output file one last time, resulting in the 33 bytes that you see. --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: ALSA
few people were playing with installing 2.6... So, does anyone know if this happened? Yes, ALSA is in the 2.6 kernel and works fine. Of course, there is a separate option for the PC's speaker, and I believe that's turned off by default. :-( -- Regards, | "There can be no effective control of corporations while .| their political activity remains. To put an end to it will Randy| be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done." | -- President Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
