Re: [Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer (to Mario)
--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >Mario done! > >I'll buy you a glass of feni at Georgie's bar if > >you promise to buy me a kilo of dukra mass at the > >tinto.:) > > > > Georgie's Uraq bar is illegal. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > P.S. There is a problem with some keys on my > keyboard. > Mario observes: > Santosh, based on your other posts, it's not your keyboard that has a problem:-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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--- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Mario done! >I'll buy you a glass of feni at Georgie's bar if >you promise to buy me a kilo of dukra mass at the >tinto.:) > Georgie's Uraq bar is illegal. Cheers, Santosh P.S. There is a problem with some keys on my keyboard. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Review of the review by the reviewer /melinda Coutinho Powell
--- Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dear Alfred, > Mr Powell does not hail from the Emerald > Isle, neither is he Welsh. I didnt have to woo him > with GUINESS or Stout, sheer chemistry and mental > compatibility did the trick. > Mario adds: > I'll drink to that! Wherever Mr. Powell hails from, he obviously did good! > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Alfred de Tavares wrote: Good for you, Melinda! By name, may I guess that Mr Powell hails from the Emerald Isle? And did you woo him with an extra GUINESS? __ dear Alfred, Mr Powell does not hail from the Emerald Isle ,neither is he Welsh. I didnt have to woo him with GUINESS or Stout, sheer chemistry and mental compatibility did the trick. Melinda _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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On 27/04/06, Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >By the way,I marrried one of my passengers.(without harressing him) > >Melinda > Good for you, Melinda! By name, may I guess that Mr Powell hails from the Emerald Isle? And did you woo him with an extra GUINESS? Alfred RESPONSE: Sorry, to have to correct you the Emerald Isle is Ireland. The name is Welsh in origin http://genealogy.about.com/library/surnames/p/bl_name-POWELL.htm Definition: A contraction of the Welsh "Ap Howell," meaning "son of Howell." The given name Howell is an anglicized form of Hywel, meaning "eminent" in Welsh. Surname Origin: Welsh -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I welcome all Goans and Indians to review and study "Holy Warrior". ... === Folks, I look forward to Gilbert's review of the book. For those requiring details of the book: Edna Fernandes was born in Nairobi, Kenya and traces her Goan roots to AVC. She was educated in London and worked as a journalist with Reuters and FT. She will be talking about her book on Tues 9 May at 6.30pm. Venue: London School of Economics. For details see http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/LSEPublicLecturesAndEvents/events/2006/ 20060330t1736z001.htm I will be in Zanzibar on the day but I hope that some goa-netters attend and post a report here. For details about the book, including ordering info, see http://www.penguinbooksindia.com/Books/BookDetail.asp?id=6240 For a photograph of Edna Fernandes see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ Cheers Eddie Fernandes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda CoutinhoPowell
By the way,I marrried one of my passengers.(without harressing him) Melinda Good for you, Melinda! By name, may I guess that Mr Powell hails from the Emerald Isle? And did you woo him with an extra GUINESS? Alfred _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda Coutinho Powell
The following exchange from the planet of Venus should be a lesson in civility to the rest of us Martian barbarians :-)) > --- Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Elisabeth Carvalho worte" > I was ofcourse being flippant and resorting to > stereotype, when adding that one-liner. However > since I was not making a personal dig at any one > person, I didn't seriously think it would offend > anyone. Again, since it inadvertently did, I > apologise. > > Hi Elisabeth, > > hey ,I wasnt really upset,just felt that I had to > speak up for the cause --I > still have a few loyalties left though I quit 13 > years ago. > It is very gracious of you to apologise,now I admire > you even more. > I enjoy reading yr inputs,keep it up. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Hi Gabe, I welcome all Goans and Indians to review and study "Holy Warrior". This will directly and indirectly support the author and her work. I hope ALL Goans can support the cause and issue surfaced by Edna Fernandes. Or else the issue becomes a 'topic d jour' and a one week 'flash in the pan' in Goan cyber space. And the holy warriors can regroup for another day and another fight, while the rest of us are socializing. One simple way to show our solidarity and pay our respects to Edna is to honor her. Have her as chief guest at Goan functions in England (her home) and elsewhere. The WGD should certainly consider honoring her work at its 2006 celebrations. Or are we just content to argue about her book reviews? Certainly we can revel by doing "Review of the Review by the Reviewer" to a shamba tune.:=)) And then lament about the next wave of fanaticism to hit Goa or India? Kind Regards, GL --- Gabe Menezes: I am busy with my shamba at the moment. It was neglected for sometime now and needs back breaking work on it. I think this one is for Cornel.please read and give us your opinion? I hope you read this Cornel! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda Coutinho Powell
Hey Melinda, It's nice to have another woman on the forum. I hope you stick around. The testosterone here is a bit overwhelming at times. Fred Noronhna congratulating you on "weathering storms" has made me think of investing in a good umbrella. About the little fishes, you mean to say no matter what happens they all land up at Cecil Pinto's workshop? Elisabeth --- --- Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Elisabeth Carvalho worte" > I was ofcourse being flippant and resorting to > stereotype, when adding that one-liner. However > since > I was not making a personal dig at any one person, I > didn't seriously think it would offend anyone. > Again, > since it inadvertently did, I apologise. > > Hi Elisabeth, > > hey ,I wasnt really upset,just felt that I had to > speak up for the cause --I > still have a few loyalties left though I quit 13 > years ago. > It is very gracious of you to apologise,now I admire > you even more. > I enjoy reading yr inputs,keep it up. > > By the way,the rodents, fish,flora and fauna have > decided to apply for > Portuguese passports and migrate to cleaner > surroundings..If that option > fails,they are planning to go to Roland Martins > (GOACAN) Goa civic and > consumer forum for redressal.If that option also > fails,they are planning to > enlist Cecil Pinto's help(he used to run a Computer > Institute)and learn > typing and computer skills,so watch out .( A little > fishie told me so) > Regards, > Melinda > > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda Coutinho Powell
On 27/04/06, Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Elisabeth, > > hey ,I wasnt really upset,just felt that I had to speak up for the cause --I > still have a few loyalties left though I quit 13 years ago. > It is very gracious of you to apologise,now I admire you even more. > I enjoy reading yr inputs,keep it up. Comment: How sweet! Now if only the rougher sex could employ this kind of conduct, we would have no problems on this forum! All we get is gratuitous insults and the questioning of peoples employment status and such like drivel. Some think themselves kings, unfortunately the King has no clothes on! On another matter; the Agony Aunt post seems to have been a hit. On my part I couldn't heed to the advice given. The dog was so far gone that the Vet and also an animal behaviourist expert, advised me to have it euthanized. This has been done. -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Review of the Review by the Reviewer /Melinda Coutinho Powell
Elisabeth Carvalho worte" I was ofcourse being flippant and resorting to stereotype, when adding that one-liner. However since I was not making a personal dig at any one person, I didn't seriously think it would offend anyone. Again, since it inadvertently did, I apologise. Hi Elisabeth, hey ,I wasnt really upset,just felt that I had to speak up for the cause --I still have a few loyalties left though I quit 13 years ago. It is very gracious of you to apologise,now I admire you even more. I enjoy reading yr inputs,keep it up. By the way,the rodents, fish,flora and fauna have decided to apply for Portuguese passports and migrate to cleaner surroundings..If that option fails,they are planning to go to Roland Martins (GOACAN) Goa civic and consumer forum for redressal.If that option also fails,they are planning to enlist Cecil Pinto's help(he used to run a Computer Institute)and learn typing and computer skills,so watch out .( A little fishie told me so) Regards, Melinda _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Review of the Review By the Reviewer/ Melinda Coutinho Powell
Dear Melinda Powell, I apologise sincerely for having upset the airline world. I too spent 6 years of my life in the travel industry at the tail-end of poor jokes and disrespect. I know how difficult the entire hospitality industry is, from hotels to airlines to any ground operations. I was ofcourse being flippant and resorting to stereotype, when adding that one-liner. However since I was not making a personal dig at any one person, I didn't seriously think it would offend anyone. Again, since it inadvertently did, I apologise. Having said that, in earlier posts I think I have also made off-hand remarks about mackerels, sardines and Goan rats. My sincere apologies to all the rodents, fish, flora and fauna of Goa. You may not be able to represent yourself on Goannet on account of your poor typing skills, but I shall bear in mind that you maybe deeply offended by my post and apologise herewith. Elisabeth PS: Please note the word apologise has been repeated 15 times in above post. -- > Dear Gilbert, > > We may have gone a bit off topic here,but what may > be a minor comment to you > is a major one to me. > > > I spent fifteen years of my life ,working on > aeroplanes.If one looks past > the glamour,it is hard work and ,jet lag. > > I will refrain from commenting abt "Holy Warriors" > or the reviews,since I > havent read the book. > > Whether it is a one liner or lengthy discourse,one > has to be responsible for > what one posts. > If the article in question was humourous,one could > laugh it off.But right in > the middle of a serious post,if there is a "dig" > thrown in,there are bound > to be reactions. > > Melinda Coutinho Powell > > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Gilbert wrote:I hope the airline hostess does comment "about THIS" - which is the reviews of "Holy Warriors" the topic of this thread. It is awfully easy to get way led with some minor comment. Unless the ex-airline hostess "spend their life harassing passengers on discount airlines", she may not have much personal experience to add to Elisabeth's comment. :=)) Yet she (or you) could provide us with reviews that this book may have received in England - the home of the Goan author. --- Dear Gilbert, We may have gone a bit off topic here,but what may be a minor comment to you is a major one to me. I spent fifteen years of my life ,working on aeroplanes.If one looks past the glamour,it is hard work and ,jet lag. I will refrain from commenting abt "Holy Warriors" or the reviews,since I havent read the book. Whether it is a one liner or lengthy discourse,one has to be responsible for what one posts. If the article in question was humourous,one could laugh it off.But right in the middle of a serious post,if there is a "dig" thrown in,there are bound to be reactions. Melinda Coutinho Powell _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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On 26/04/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gabe, ... > Yet she (or you) could provide us with reviews that this book may have > received in England - the home of the Goan author. > Goa net could certainly add new blood and fresh ideas. > Kind Regards, GL. RESPONSE: She ( Elizabeth ) Could indeed read the book and review it. I am busy with my shamba at the moment, It was neglected for sometime now and needs back breaking work on it. I think this one is for Cornel.please read and give us your opinion? I hope you read this Cornel! -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Elisabeth Carvalho wrote : As such, they are much like air stewardess' > who having failed to launch their acting careers > spend > their life harassing passengers on discount > airlines." Hi Elisabeth, Ive read many of yr intelligent and interesting responses on this forum,but this one is rather unfair. Ive been a stewardess for 15 years,(now retired)none of my colleagues were misfit actresses or spurned beauty queens .All it takes to be a stewardess is a pleasant personality and decent communication skills. You make passengers sound like victims of a major plot by airhostesses- their only aim being "harassment". You may have written it in a light hearted vein,or you may have had a bad experience on board ---either way ,airhostesses in general are not as bad as you make them out to be. By the way,I marrried one of my passengers.(without harressing him) Melinda _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Hi Gabe, I hope the airline hostess does comment "about THIS" - which is the reviews of "Holy Warriors" the topic of this thread. It is awfully easy to get way led with some minor comment. Unless the ex-airline hostess "spend their life harassing passengers on discount airlines", she may not have much personal experience to add to Elisabeth's comment. :=)) Yet she (or you) could provide us with reviews that this book may have received in England - the home of the Goan author. Goa net could certainly add new blood and fresh ideas. Kind Regards, GL PS: Please permit my sense of humor to show. Elisabeth writes a long article about the "Holy Warrior review" and the only response she gets from two esteemed netters is her one line reference to airline hostess. Now you know why I find life funny.:=)) - Gabe Menezes: Comment: Wow ! You are opinionated - we do have an ex Airline Hostess on this list; hope she has something to say about this! Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > .. As such, they are much like air stewardess' who having failed to launch their acting careers spend their life harassing passengers on discount airlines. ... _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Ofcourse if I was anything more than an opinionated hausfrau, I would have goggled this: http://www.knowledgecommission.org/members/pbProfile.aspx before I railroaded into Pratap Mehta. However, I still think he is long on rhetoric and short on review. He rightly deserves a pulpit, about the Pulitzer, I'm not too sure. Elisabeth --- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not too sure about the discussions that > preceded, > but I agree with Gilbert that the review of Holy > Warriors by Pratap Mehta, is disingenuous to say the > least. It is no secret that most reviewers earn > their > bread and butter, trying to be psuedointellectuals > pontificating over material they themselves are > incapable of putting together. Never having > published > anything of note, most reviewers spend their time in > tiny offices (if they are lucky) at major > publications > writing out book reviews when they're not doing food > reviews. As such, they are much like air stewardess' > who having failed to launch their acting careers > spend > their life harassing passengers on discount > airlines. > > Pratap Mehta, seems more infatuated with his own > writing prowess that with objectively reviewing > anyone > elses. Although gifted with the pen he wields it > much > too forcefully, in the event slaying all the wrong > dragons. For instance, he writes: > > "Fernandes embarks on her journey into the heart of > Indian fundamentalism > with a peculiarly shallow version of liberal > sympathies" > > What exactly is shallow liberalism? Either one > embraces the precepts of liberalism or one doesn't > but > what in Pratap's dictionary exemplifies shallow > liberalism, is left to the readers imagination. > > He goes on to write: > "Show that you > are even-handed by exposing fundamentalists of all > religions: assorted > Muslims ranging from Deobandis to the Imam of Jama > Masjid; Christians in > Goa clinging on to a Goan identity, to Baptists in > Nagaland trying to > create new ones, assorted survivors amongst Kashmiri > Pandits and victims > of anti-Sikh riots." > > This is not review but pure rhetoric on his part. He > cannot dictate to the author what does or does not > constitute fundamentalism; that remains the author's > interpretation. Perhaps to the author, "Christians > in > Goa clinging onto a Goan identity" does not > constitute > "fundamentalism" but rather people who are in > genuine > search of an identity when it is being railroaded en > masse by another identity with which they have no > wish > to identify. > > To me Pratap was long on rhetoric and short on > review. > He did manage to convince me that he was brimming > with > ideas on India and that he could be eloquent about > them but that doesn't call for a review, it calls by > ANOTHER BOOK by Pratap Mehta. > > Elisabeth > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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On 24/04/06, Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As such, they are much like air stewardess' > who having failed to launch their acting careers spend > their life harassing passengers on discount airlines. ... Comment: Wow ! You are opinionated - we do have an ex Airline Hostess on this list; hope she has something to say about this! -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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I'm not too sure about the discussions that preceded, but I agree with Gilbert that the review of Holy Warriors by Pratap Mehta, is disingenuous to say the least. It is no secret that most reviewers earn their bread and butter, trying to be psuedointellectuals pontificating over material they themselves are incapable of putting together. Never having published anything of note, most reviewers spend their time in tiny offices (if they are lucky) at major publications writing out book reviews when they're not doing food reviews. As such, they are much like air stewardess' who having failed to launch their acting careers spend their life harassing passengers on discount airlines. Pratap Mehta, seems more infatuated with his own writing prowess that with objectively reviewing anyone elses. Although gifted with the pen he wields it much too forcefully, in the event slaying all the wrong dragons. For instance, he writes: "Fernandes embarks on her journey into the heart of Indian fundamentalism with a peculiarly shallow version of liberal sympathies" What exactly is shallow liberalism? Either one embraces the precepts of liberalism or one doesn't but what in Pratap's dictionary exemplifies shallow liberalism, is left to the readers imagination. He goes on to write: "Show that you are even-handed by exposing fundamentalists of all religions: assorted Muslims ranging from Deobandis to the Imam of Jama Masjid; Christians in Goa clinging on to a Goan identity, to Baptists in Nagaland trying to create new ones, assorted survivors amongst Kashmiri Pandits and victims of anti-Sikh riots." This is not review but pure rhetoric on his part. He cannot dictate to the author what does or does not constitute fundamentalism; that remains the author's interpretation. Perhaps to the author, "Christians in Goa clinging onto a Goan identity" does not constitute "fundamentalism" but rather people who are in genuine search of an identity when it is being railroaded en masse by another identity with which they have no wish to identify. To me Pratap was long on rhetoric and short on review. He did manage to convince me that he was brimming with ideas on India and that he could be eloquent about them but that doesn't call for a review, it calls by ANOTHER BOOK by Pratap Mehta. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
