[Goanet] So much for independent Goa!
Dear Floriano, only you with your brilliant interpretation of what went on in the mind of General Ramalho Eanes especially when he was in Macau, could clear the confusion. Gen. Eanes is/was no ordinary human being.He was President of the Portuguese Republic from 1976 to 1986. Yet, he found Goa in 1958 : '' We have made something there which we had not managed to make somewhere else. But in 1962 he says: '' one of my greatest disappointments was, when I was in Macau, I realized that Goa was not out model , after all. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa !
Rico, We Goans are readily eager to put our hand up. Hopefully this will change soon for the benefit of Goa and Goans. Antonio Menezes finds himself confused. You could help him to be a little less confused. Cheers floriano - Original Message - From: Frederick FN Noronha *??? ??? fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa ! Floriano, You are getting caught up in your rhetoric! Please tell us if you have any reasons or logical argument to question the arguments of Antonio Menezes. Just cursing his supposed slavish mentality or what you claim to be no iota of self-esteem and pride doesn't convince me that you are right and he is wrong! FN On 18 December 2011 19:29, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa
There is no need to be confused Antonio. What RE has said is very right. Goa had Gauokary(s) system. Portuguese did not destroy them but respected them and even codified them. British, like Indian would want to destroy them. Indian are doing it. Hopefully Goans will prevent this. The Hotch Potch Panchayati raj which has been introduced in Goa is totally inferior to Comunidade system of Goa. Goans are Goans, not Portuguese, not Indians. And I take pride from this. I also say that the Indian citizenship has been forced down my throat. I have not opted for it. Cheers floriano 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa Floriano-bab, I am bit confused. I quote verbatim some of the things General Ramalho Eanes said in that interview. Question: In 1958 you went to Goa Ramalho Eanes (RE) In Goa I learnt a lot of good and bad things...Goa met all the conditions because we have made something there which we had not managed to make anywhere else. A new culture had been created which was not ours but it wasn't Indian either. Q: In 1962 you went to Macau. Macau also had conditions met to be independent. RE: Never. In Macau there were Chinese and Portuguese.In Goa...an elite which was neither Portuguese nor Indian...it was Goan. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] So much for independent Goa !
Let us hail Salazar for the way he behaved mulishly till the Portuguese army surrendered on the 19th December, 1961. According to O Heraldo, Dec 18, General Ramalho Eanes, ex President of Portugal (1976 - 1986 ) , who had served in Goa as a junior military officer, states that Goa was ripe to become an independent state, free politically both from Portugal and India. In which case,what would have been social political conditions today? The crude behavior of descendentes/mestisos, bamons and bhatkars towards the Goan common folk would have continued unabated till today, not to mention casteism of mostly bamon padre vigarios with the help of elite confraria members. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa !
It is a pity that the Portuguese could not trashout the slavish mentality of Goans including that of the writer below who has no iota of self esteem and pride. as a GOAN and who will always but always remain a slave of the COLONIZERS. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa ! Let us hail Salazar for the way he behaved mulishly till the Portuguese army surrendered on the 19th December, 1961. According to O Heraldo, Dec 18, General Ramalho Eanes, ex President of Portugal (1976 - 1986 ) , who had served in Goa as a junior military officer, states that Goa was ripe to become an independent state, free politically both from Portugal and India. In which case,what would have been social political conditions today? The crude behavior of descendentes/mestisos, bamons and bhatkars towards the Goan common folk would have continued unabated till today, not to mention casteism of mostly bamon padre vigarios with the help of elite confraria members. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa !
Floriano, You are getting caught up in your rhetoric! Please tell us if you have any reasons or logical argument to question the arguments of Antonio Menezes. Just cursing his supposed slavish mentality or what you claim to be no iota of self-esteem and pride doesn't convince me that you are right and he is wrong! FN On 18 December 2011 19:29, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: It is a pity that the Portuguese could not trashout the slavish mentality of Goans including that of the writer below who has no iota of self esteem and pride. as a GOAN and who will always but always remain a slave of the COLONIZERS. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa ! Let us hail Salazar for the way he behaved mulishly till the Portuguese army surrendered on the 19th December, 1961. According to O Heraldo, Dec 18, General Ramalho Eanes, ex President of Portugal (1976 - 1986 ) , who had served in Goa as a junior military officer, states that Goa was ripe to become an independent state, free politically both from Portugal and India. In which case,what would have been social political conditions today? The crude behavior of descendentes/mestisos, bamons and bhatkars towards the Goan common folk would have continued unabated till today, not to mention casteism of mostly bamon padre vigarios with the help of elite confraria members. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] So much for independent Goa
Floriano-bab, I am bit confused. I quote verbatim some of the things General Ramalho Eanes said in that interview. Question: In 1958 you went to Goa Ramalho Eanes (RE) In Goa I learnt a lot of good and bad things...Goa met all the conditions because we have made something there which we had not managed to make anywhere else. A new culture had been created which was not ours but it wasn't Indian either. Q: In 1962 you went to Macau. Macau also had conditions met to be independent. RE: Never. In Macau there were Chinese and Portuguese.In Goa...an elite which was neither Portuguese nor Indian...it was Goan. Q: B*ut in Macau there was no mix of races* RE: That is true. One of my greatest disappointments was, when I arrived in Macau, I realized that Goa was not our model , after all. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
