[H] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Christopher Fisk]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Thane Sherrington wrote:


At 12:14 PM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote:

The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which


Or if something happened to the data on the server...that's why I was 
wondering if Gmail did a back up mail in case of hardware failure.


Not sure about actual data backups, but google mirrors their data around 
the globe.  Multiple data centers would have to go down for them to lose 
your data.  You might lose access to it if you are normally routed to a 
data center that goes down, but they can reroute you to another one in 
another country and still have your data there.


This is actually a reason that one of the better known colleges did not 
migrate to google apps, google wouldn't give them a list of countries 
their data would be stored, instead just a short list of countries it 
would NOT be stored.



Christopher Fisk

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Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole ofwater

[DSinc]

Chris,
Is there some lucky reason you always have these truly astounding incidents?
Never-mind. :)  I second/third the Silicone caulk route.
When I worked, we called it "RTV."
Best,
Duncan


On 07/22/2010 15:21, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

Halfway in a golf course.   Sprinkler system goes off everynight and it floods 
the box.   Keeping the greens pretty is more important then the phone.

Sent via BlackBerry

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From: JRS
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:02:49
To:
Reply-To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of
water

I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite?

If it was me, I'd move the box.  :)

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JRS
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.





Here's the  deal.  At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins.  Cable
comes in both ways.  Joins there (just couplers basically).  But the  box fills
with water every single night all the way.


The wire  installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged,
more  designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical tape,
etc..  in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she
goes.

So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed  something I
thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of
Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal  the top,
let go.  Crisco would hold out the water and it's  non-conductive.   This is
after they suggested peanutbutter.

We all  laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm wondering how
dumb  of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, you're just out the $5
to  try...

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole ofwater

[tmservo]

Halfway in a golf course.   Sprinkler system goes off everynight and it floods 
the box.   Keeping the greens pretty is more important then the phone. 

Sent via BlackBerry 

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To: 
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water

I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite?  

If it was me, I'd move the box.  :)

 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




> Here's the  deal.  At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins.  Cable 
>  
>comes in both ways.  Joins there (just couplers basically).  But the  box 
>fills 
>with water every single night all the way.  
>
> 
> The wire  installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, 
>more  designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical 
>tape, 
>etc..  in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she  
>goes.
> 
> So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed  something I 
>thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of 
>Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal  the top, 
>let go.  Crisco would hold out the water and it's  non-conductive.   This is 
>after they suggested peanutbutter.
> 
> We all  laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm wondering how 
>dumb  of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, you're just out the $5 
>to  try...
> 

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water

[JRS]

I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite?  

If it was me, I'd move the box.  :)

 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




> Here's the  deal.  At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins.  Cable 
>  
>comes in both ways.  Joins there (just couplers basically).  But the  box 
>fills 
>with water every single night all the way.  
>
> 
> The wire  installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, 
>more  designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical 
>tape, 
>etc..  in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she  
>goes.
> 
> So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed  something I 
>thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of 
>Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal  the top, 
>let go.  Crisco would hold out the water and it's  non-conductive.   This is 
>after they suggested peanutbutter.
> 
> We all  laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm wondering how 
>dumb  of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, you're just out the $5 
>to  try...
> 

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water

[Winterlight]

The only way to do this is to go to Home Depot and get around six 
inches to a foot of 1 inch (to accommodate the inline connectors) 
schedule 40 PVC pipe. You can buy larger diameter pipe as needed ... 
up to 1/2 inch to 4 inches.  Buy two end caps for the pipe. Drill an 
appropriate hole in the end caps. Run your Ethernet through the end 
caps with the inline connector ending up in the middle of the pipe. 
The hole on the end caps only has to be large enough to accommodate 
the wire. The pipe has to be large enough to hold your inline connection.


So now your CAT is threaded through the end caps and plugged into the 
inline connector which is sitting in the middle of the  PVC pipe, 
with one end cap on, and one off, and slid back on the wire. Fill the 
pipe with 100 percent pure silicon caulk pushing it in the pipe with 
a stick  so it comes out the hole of the closed end cap. Once the 
pipe is filled up with silicon, slide the other end cap in place and 
then top off the silicon though the whole in the cap, so is comes out 
the end cap.


Now just let it sit for a bit so the exposed silicon surface drys 
while you clean up your tools, and hands with paint thinner and paper 
towels. Now you have something that is not only impervious to 
moisture, and the elements, but it is an a very tough enclosure. 
Eventually all that silicon will harden.


 If you absolutely had to you could take it apart, but it would be 
messy and you would have to cut up the pipe. It would be better to 
just cut the wire and do a new enclosure.


good luck


At 04:43 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
Ok, have a location where a 1000' splice of ethernet runs and makes 
a turn.  Due to a really poorly cut conduit by the client, this has 
never been right since the beginning.  So, wire people out, we're 
trying to think of a unique solution.  We had a wild brainstorm today.


Here's the deal.  At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) 
joins.  Cable comes in both ways.  Joins there (just couplers 
basically).  But the box fills with water every single night all the way.


The wire installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once 
submerged, more designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping 
with electrical tape, etc.. in the end, same thing happens, short 
across live wires and down she goes.


So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed 
something I thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all 
day.   Get a can of Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into 
the crisco can, seal the top, let go.  Crisco would hold out the 
water and it's non-conductive.   This is after they suggested peanutbutter.


We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm 
wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, 
you're just out the $5 to try...

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Thane Sherrington]

At 12:14 PM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote:

The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which


Or if something happened to the data on the server...that's why I was 
wondering if Gmail did a back up mail in case of hardware failure.



If you do use Google Apps to host email for your company, they do provide a
backup service for those that still see the need to delete stuff.


Ok, so the for pay includes backup.  That's pretty fair.


And since Gmail uses standard IMAP and POP protocols, you can easily back
everything up if you really want to.  I use a service call Backupify which
backs up my personal Gmail to their cloud service, and also a program called
MailStore which backs up both my personal and Gapps accounts to my home NAS,
which is then mirrored to my Amazon S3 account.

Belt and suspenders


Always a wise idea. :)

T 

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Brian Weeden]

The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which
smart users don't do with Gmail - they archive it.  Much simpler system, as
you never have to worry about accidently deleting something and wanting it
back.  I have all 70,000 or so email messages I've sent from both my
personal and business gmail accounts over the last 5+ years.  The only thing
I delete is spam (actually, gmail deletes it for me after a set period of
time).

If you do use Google Apps to host email for your company, they do provide a
backup service for those that still see the need to delete stuff.

And since Gmail uses standard IMAP and POP protocols, you can easily back
everything up if you really want to.  I use a service call Backupify which
backs up my personal Gmail to their cloud service, and also a program called
MailStore which backs up both my personal and Gapps accounts to my home NAS,
which is then mirrored to my Amazon S3 account.

Belt and suspenders

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Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Thane Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> At 11:40 AM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote:
>
>> Which is why I love gmail.
>>
>
> What happens when you lose mail in gmail?  Do they keep a backup?
>
> T
>
>

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Thane Sherrington]

At 11:40 AM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote:

Which is why I love gmail.


What happens when you lose mail in gmail?  Do they keep a backup?

T 

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in ahole ofwater

[Julian Zottl]

You could use two of these:
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=556&R=500-0056&sid=456F70806D65617F
With
this:
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/DCE-H-7X6X2/NEMA6-Weatherproof-Die-Cast-Aluminum-Enclosure-and-Hinged-Cover.html

or this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VZM8MM/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001AMR73K&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ER0VXGBHBN1W6GJQZ9B

You'll
also need:
http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=580&R=500-0080&sid=456F70804D6D617F

A
little silicon around the wire where it comes into the box couldn't hurt
either.

This is interesting too: http://www.wlanparts.com/product/RJ45-ECS

Julian


On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Eli Allen  wrote:

> Do a google product search for "rj45 ip68"  ip68 is the waterproof
> standard.  Could reinforce the waterprooffing with an external caulk
> job
>

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Eli Allen]

Gmail goes above 20 gigs?

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Brian Weeden  wrote:
> Which is why I love gmail.
>
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> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in ahole ofwater

[Eli Allen]

Do a google product search for "rj45 ip68"  ip68 is the waterproof
standard.  Could reinforce the waterprooffing with an external caulk
job

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Brian Weeden]

Which is why I love gmail.

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Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Thane Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> At 10:02 AM 22/07/2010, Christopher Fisk wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Neil Davidson wrote:
>>
>>  And some people still say Outlook is horrid. Not lost a single email in
>>> about 10 years or more :)
>>>
>>> (btw, glad you got it sorted out Duncan)
>>>
>>
>> I have so many customers who run or ran Outlook XP or lower and constantly
>> run into problems with their PST's hitting the 2GB limit.  Even some users
>> who are on 2003+ are starting to get damn close to the 20GB limit on PST
>> files.  Consider yourself lucky you haven't lost messages, for outlook is
>> not immune. =)
>>
>
> Yup.  Outlook has real problems with large PST files (and OE is even
> worse.)  Just remember, there are two groups of people.  Those who have lost
> data and those who will. :)
>
> T
>
>

Re: [H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:02 AM 22/07/2010, Christopher Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Neil Davidson wrote:


And some people still say Outlook is horrid. Not lost a single email in
about 10 years or more :)

(btw, glad you got it sorted out Duncan)


I have so many customers who run or ran Outlook XP or lower and 
constantly run into problems with their PST's hitting the 2GB 
limit.  Even some users who are on 2003+ are starting to get damn 
close to the 20GB limit on PST files.  Consider yourself lucky you 
haven't lost messages, for outlook is not immune. =)


Yup.  Outlook has real problems with large PST files (and OE is even 
worse.)  Just remember, there are two groups of people.  Those who 
have lost data and those who will. :)


T 

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in ahole ofwater

[Rick Glazier]

I missed how big is the box, and would it be permissible to
splice the wires rather than use a coupler.
I read years ago, when I tried -- (and things change) that I
could not buy a coupler rated for this in a DRY location.

This is switching from an electrical problem to a plumbing one.
While following good electronic principals,
it might help to start thinking like a plumber.
(OR a diver.)

I have a bunch of ideas I've actually used,
but the box needs to be big enough
AND of the air tight (and waterproof?) type..

Is the two foot depth because of potential frost damage?
(Or is it according to the older specs of the National electrical Code?)

Rick Glazier

From: "Harry McGregor" 

I am going to throw my recommendation in as well...

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole ofwater

[Al Anger]

The sprinkler business uses a jelly filled weatherproof connector to
control valves, etc. The abuse I've seen those connectors put up with
will impress

And like a fine paint job, which only takes a few
minutes to spray on; Preparation is everything.


Al

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole ofwater

[Harry McGregor]

Hi,

On 7/22/10 6:29 AM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
> That's what the wiring company did.  Black electrical tape then sealed.  But 
> submerged, over time it doesn't seem to last.  The pull on the wire puts just 
> enough in to let the water in, and wham, out goes all data to that location.  
>   

I am going to throw my recommendation in as well...

Use stacked heatshrink to cover the coupler, and the connectors, and the
cable (one size won't shrink enough, but if you use one size for the
coupler, a smaller size at the cable, and an even smaller size at the
cable, it will seal it).  I would not put the jelley inside this
connector, in case it would cause problems with the contacts.   I would
put some silica beads (the decanter type) inside with the connector to
suck up any moisture that is inside the connection.

http://www.amazon.com/Intova-Silica-Absorbing-Moisture-Packets/dp/B001IH73Q8

Next I would use a petroleum jelly, not Crisco.

Jelly filled cables are not uncommon for outdoor cabling, and a
petroleum jelly is more inert then crisco

http://www.paraffinoils.com/cable-jelly.htm

Cheapest price I can find on a reasonable amount of jelly

http://www.gizar.com/bulk_my_fair_baby_petroleum_jelly-baby_scent.html?category_id=4986

Harry


> They've tried that solution repeatedly which would work for rain exposure 
> fine I think, but not full submersion for a period of time every night.   
> Sent via BlackBerry 
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> Reply-To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of
>  water
>
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, CW wrote:
>
>   
>> We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm 
>> wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, 
>> you're just out the $5 to try...
>> 
> Why not do it right?  Cover in electrical tape, then cover the electrical 
> tape with this: http://www.l-com.com/productfamily.aspx?id=6426 then cover 
> that with another layer of electrical tape.
>
>
> You're not encountering a unique problem =)
>
>
> Christopher Fisk
>   

Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole ofwater

[tmservo]

That's what the wiring company did.  Black electrical tape then sealed.  But 
submerged, over time it doesn't seem to last.  The pull on the wire puts just 
enough in to let the water in, and wham, out goes all data to that location.  

They've tried that solution repeatedly which would work for rain exposure fine 
I think, but not full submersion for a period of time every night.   
Sent via BlackBerry 

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:14:41 
To: 
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Subject: Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of
 water

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, CW wrote:

> We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm 
> wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, 
> you're just out the $5 to try...

Why not do it right?  Cover in electrical tape, then cover the electrical 
tape with this: http://www.l-com.com/productfamily.aspx?id=6426 then cover 
that with another layer of electrical tape.


You're not encountering a unique problem =)


Christopher Fisk
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Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water

[Christopher Fisk]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, CW wrote:

We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested.   Now I'm 
wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be...  worst case, 
you're just out the $5 to try...


Why not do it right?  Cover in electrical tape, then cover the electrical 
tape with this: http://www.l-com.com/productfamily.aspx?id=6426 then cover 
that with another layer of electrical tape.



You're not encountering a unique problem =)


Christopher Fisk
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[H] {Spam?} Re: Please I beg!

[Christopher Fisk]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Neil Davidson wrote:


And some people still say Outlook is horrid. Not lost a single email in
about 10 years or more :)

(btw, glad you got it sorted out Duncan)


I have so many customers who run or ran Outlook XP or lower and constantly 
run into problems with their PST's hitting the 2GB limit.  Even some users 
who are on 2003+ are starting to get damn close to the 20GB limit on PST 
files.  Consider yourself lucky you haven't lost messages, for outlook is 
not immune. =)



*I* on the otherhand with my pine have not lost a message in 15 years of 
use, and have an archive from over 10 years ago that I never look at, will 
never look at and just can't bring myself to delete =/



Christopher Fisk
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Re: [H] Disk Imaging with Acronis

[Rick Glazier]

I've done the Imaging and recovery. With ATI2009 + ATI2010.
I have NEVER Imaged with ATI (ANY version) from INSIDE Windows.

When I want the machine to boot afterwards I ALWAYS select the entire
physical drive (and all partitions) that the Windows OS is on.
I'm "old school", and if (Windows) is not running  you can't get into as much
trouble, or as easily.

I have, but have not tried "ATI Universal Restore".

To the other replies:
The ATI-media builder bootable CD is running Linux,
so that may be one reason the drive letters change.

Rick Glazier

From: "GPL"


I've only done two tests with making the images thus far, and none recovering.

What I've noticed was it took a substantially longer amount of time to
do it in windows than to just load up via bootable DVD and image it
that way.