Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Will this get my server delisted? Sometimes I don't notice until hours later. 21:07:22 L 03/17/2009 - 01:06:00: "LeCron James<4131>" disconnected (reason "Disconnect by user.") 21:07:34 L 03/17/2009 - 01:06:12: "jr9<4127>" disconnected (reason "Invalid STEAM UserID Ticket ") 21:07:44 L 03/17/2009 - 01:06:23: "AriMich<4128>" disconnected (reason "Invalid STEAM UserID Ticket It should really attempt to reconnect, kinda hard to play when you get dropped every ~3 mins. Can you fix it? :D Pretty please :D. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
If delisted, is it by IP or IP:port? If just IP, someone could have many servers delisted at once. If IP:port, a delisted server just needs to change ports to be reinstated. Guy } -Original Message- } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Erik Johnson } Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:24 PM } To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information } } You can mail me if that happens. } } -Original Message- } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker } Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM } To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information } } Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: } } > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the } server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if } you're heading towards being delisted. } } Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can } follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for } some reason? } } I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server } to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no } such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed } for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. } } Thanks again, } Dave } } -- } } Dave Parker } Utica College } Integrated Information Technology Services } (315) 792-3229 } Registered Linux User #408177 } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux } } ___ } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, } please visit: } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
For now, we're banning entire IPs, but that could change. There have been a couple of cases now where there are banned servers and positive servers running on the same IP address. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:09 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information Couldn't you verify the amount of players on a server using steam data? And then show that on the server info screen? Also do you ban IPs or IP and Port combination? I'm not worried about this personally, but shared hosts do tend to re-use IPs with different port numbers. So, would someone running a -999 gravity instagib 200/255 server on port 27015 take down servers running on say port 27018/27013 with it as well? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > I'm pretty official. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Doiron > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:42 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Will there be an official way to appeal an action? > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson >wrote: > > > You can mail me if that happens. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if > you're > > heading towards being delisted. > > > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > > some reason? > > > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > > > Thanks again, > > Dave > > > > -- > > > > Dave Parker > > Utica College > > Integrated Information Technology Services > > (315) 792-3229 > > Registered Linux User #408177 > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > -- > Dustin Doiron > infiniGaming.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Couldn't you verify the amount of players on a server using steam data? And then show that on the server info screen? Also do you ban IPs or IP and Port combination? I'm not worried about this personally, but shared hosts do tend to re-use IPs with different port numbers. So, would someone running a -999 gravity instagib 200/255 server on port 27015 take down servers running on say port 27018/27013 with it as well? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > I'm pretty official. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Doiron > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:42 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Will there be an official way to appeal an action? > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson >wrote: > > > You can mail me if that happens. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if > you're > > heading towards being delisted. > > > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > > some reason? > > > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > > > Thanks again, > > Dave > > > > -- > > > > Dave Parker > > Utica College > > Integrated Information Technology Services > > (315) 792-3229 > > Registered Linux User #408177 > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > -- > Dustin Doiron > infiniGaming.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
I'm pretty official. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Doiron Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information Will there be an official way to appeal an action? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- Dustin Doiron infiniGaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Can we somehow see the score by command? Or do we have to watch the console at what point? Cheers, -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Erik Johnson Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:19 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information Since we'll be limiting the amount of negative score that any one user can assign to a given server over a period of time, this shouldn't be a major problem. This is somewhat the reason why we didn't push the scoring all of the way up to the server initially, because we don't necessarily think that the servers at the high, mid, or low end of the positive scale are necessarily better than each other. We don't think this is really the perfect solution to rank a server's "goodness" to the system as a whole. It is strictly a way for us to identify servers that make most of the people that connect to them want to go to a new server almost immediately. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:35 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information What about having many bans? Banning known public hacker groups and accumulating hundreds of banned steam ids that are kicked on connect? Votebans and votekicks... We'll get penalized for this right? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Can we somehow see the score by command? Or do we have to watch the console at what point? Cheers, -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Erik Johnson Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:19 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information Since we'll be limiting the amount of negative score that any one user can assign to a given server over a period of time, this shouldn't be a major problem. This is somewhat the reason why we didn't push the scoring all of the way up to the server initially, because we don't necessarily think that the servers at the high, mid, or low end of the positive scale are necessarily better than each other. We don't think this is really the perfect solution to rank a server's "goodness" to the system as a whole. It is strictly a way for us to identify servers that make most of the people that connect to them want to go to a new server almost immediately. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:35 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information What about having many bans? Banning known public hacker groups and accumulating hundreds of banned steam ids that are kicked on connect? Votebans and votekicks... We'll get penalized for this right? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Since we'll be limiting the amount of negative score that any one user can assign to a given server over a period of time, this shouldn't be a major problem. This is somewhat the reason why we didn't push the scoring all of the way up to the server initially, because we don't necessarily think that the servers at the high, mid, or low end of the positive scale are necessarily better than each other. We don't think this is really the perfect solution to rank a server's "goodness" to the system as a whole. It is strictly a way for us to identify servers that make most of the people that connect to them want to go to a new server almost immediately. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:35 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information What about having many bans? Banning known public hacker groups and accumulating hundreds of banned steam ids that are kicked on connect? Votebans and votekicks... We'll get penalized for this right? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Some of us on this list run businesses. Some of us on this list would not like to deal with having to babysit their clients to ensure they're running a "friendly" server. I'm trying to get a policy drawn on out on this, and prefer to terminate the client's contract upon discovery of the delisting of the IP, and appeal the delisting appropriately. I've never played TF2, don't know or care about the problems. This is simply from a business perspective. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Colton English wrote: > Gawd... I signed up to this list to get useful info why is every one so > consumed with how poorly they'll be ranked... It sound's like a very > generous however strict system. If you get a low server score then your on > the the shit list for a month, by the time it takes to appeal you'll be > off. > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Dustin Doiron >wrote: > > > Will there be an official way to appeal an action? > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > You can mail me if that happens. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. > Parker > > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > > > > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > > > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells > the > > > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if > > you're > > > heading towards being delisted. > > > > > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > > > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > > > some reason? > > > > > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > > > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > > > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are > headed > > > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > Dave > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dave Parker > > > Utica College > > > Integrated Information Technology Services > > > (315) 792-3229 > > > Registered Linux User #408177 > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dustin Doiron > > infiniGaming.com > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- Dustin Doiron infiniGaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Error verifying STEAM UserID Ticket
Some "Error verifying STEAM UserID Ticket" from France... Thanks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Gawd... I signed up to this list to get useful info why is every one so consumed with how poorly they'll be ranked... It sound's like a very generous however strict system. If you get a low server score then your on the the shit list for a month, by the time it takes to appeal you'll be off. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Dustin Doiron wrote: > Will there be an official way to appeal an action? > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson >wrote: > > > You can mail me if that happens. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if > you're > > heading towards being delisted. > > > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > > some reason? > > > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > > > Thanks again, > > Dave > > > > -- > > > > Dave Parker > > Utica College > > Integrated Information Technology Services > > (315) 792-3229 > > Registered Linux User #408177 > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > -- > Dustin Doiron > infiniGaming.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Will there be an official way to appeal an action? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- Dustin Doiron infiniGaming.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hlds: serverquery stays at same map even after changelevel
AnAkIn . wrote: > This is a known issue since the protocol 48 update, and was not yet fixed. okay thank you *bumping this topic* ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
What about having many bans? Banning known public hacker groups and accumulating hundreds of banned steam ids that are kicked on connect? Votebans and votekicks... We'll get penalized for this right? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Erik Johnson wrote: > You can mail me if that happens. > > -Original Message- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > > Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're > heading towards being delisted. > > Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can > follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for > some reason? > > I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server > to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no > such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed > for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > > Dave Parker > Utica College > Integrated Information Technology Services > (315) 792-3229 > Registered Linux User #408177 > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hlds: serverquery stays at same map even after changelevel
This is a known issue since the protocol 48 update, and was not yet fixed. 2009/3/16 Marcel > Hi, > > I have a problem with my hlds servers, that a server query reports the > wrong map after a mapchange. > > Startup: > ./hlds_i686 -game dod -port 27015 +maxplayers 6 +ip xx -tos +map > dod_zalec -pingboost 3 +sys_ticrate 1050 > > > Qstat and HLSW show me the map dod_zalec > > Now I do a mapchange, e.g.: changelevel dod_donner > > Qstat and HLSW still show dod_zalec. > > It only works if I do a mapchange with "map dod_donner". But this should > not be the solution. > > Also tested with CS 1.6 - same here. The query answer stays at the > startmap. > > It's a "vanilla" server. No Plugins or other stuff. > > > Any suggestions? > > Cheers > > Marcel > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
You can mail me if that happens. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of David A. Parker Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:56 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the server > where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're heading > towards being delisted. Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for some reason? I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. Thanks again, Dave -- Dave Parker Utica College Integrated Information Technology Services (315) 792-3229 Registered Linux User #408177 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] hlds: serverquery stays at same map even after changelevel
Hi, I have a problem with my hlds servers, that a server query reports the wrong map after a mapchange. Startup: ./hlds_i686 -game dod -port 27015 +maxplayers 6 +ip xx -tos +map dod_zalec -pingboost 3 +sys_ticrate 1050 Qstat and HLSW show me the map dod_zalec Now I do a mapchange, e.g.: changelevel dod_donner Qstat and HLSW still show dod_zalec. It only works if I do a mapchange with "map dod_donner". But this should not be the solution. Also tested with CS 1.6 - same here. The query answer stays at the startmap. It's a "vanilla" server. No Plugins or other stuff. Any suggestions? Cheers Marcel ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Thanks for the information, it helps a lot. Just one quick question: > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the server > where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're heading > towards being delisted. Will there be some sort of action admins can take or process they can follow if they think their servers are being incorrectly flagged for some reason? I fully realize you don't want every admin running a misbehaving server to spam you with requests for intervention. But at the same time, no such system can be perfect, and it would suck to see that you are headed for delisting and have no way to contact Valve about it. Thanks again, Dave -- Dave Parker Utica College Integrated Information Technology Services (315) 792-3229 Registered Linux User #408177 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Thank you for the information. That‘s what we all needed. - Original Message - From: "Erik Johnson" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information > Right now, we're not trying to provide a finely tuned quality difference > between servers to players looking for a server. Instead, we're focused on > finding and removing the very worst servers. This is why we're not showing > server scores in the serverbrowser. If we did that, we think it'd be very > hard for new servers to build communities, which a number of you have > already identified as a problem. Our first pass was a manual one, so we > knew there wouldn't be an exploitation issue. Going forward, we'll be > making this into an automatic process, with the following additions: > > > > - Each player will be able to negatively affect a server's score only once > per day. > > - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the > server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if > you're heading towards being delisted. > > > > Some minor notes in response to questions being posed on the list: > > - Reserved slots won't result in any scoring implications if you're using > them correctly (i.e. have set sv_visiblemaxplayers properly, or are using > a SourceMod method) > > - Bots aren't counted in the scoring. > > - Delistings are temporary (1 month right now) > > - Level changes do not affect scoring (i.e. players are not considered as > having disconnected & reconnected over a level change) > > - Servers with low connection counts are not subject to being delisted. > This means if you're testing something on your new server you don't have > much to worry about. > > > At least for now, this isn't meant to be a method to tell us or the > community as a whole how good a server is. It is strictly for identifying > servers that are doing really bad things like lying about their player > count or redirecting. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting Information
Right now, we're not trying to provide a finely tuned quality difference between servers to players looking for a server. Instead, we're focused on finding and removing the very worst servers. This is why we're not showing server scores in the serverbrowser. If we did that, we think it'd be very hard for new servers to build communities, which a number of you have already identified as a problem. Our first pass was a manual one, so we knew there wouldn't be an exploitation issue. Going forward, we'll be making this into an automatic process, with the following additions: - Each player will be able to negatively affect a server's score only once per day. - We'll add a new message printed to the server console that tells the server where it stands score-wise. It'll be focused on warning you if you're heading towards being delisted. Some minor notes in response to questions being posed on the list: - Reserved slots won't result in any scoring implications if you're using them correctly (i.e. have set sv_visiblemaxplayers properly, or are using a SourceMod method) - Bots aren't counted in the scoring. - Delistings are temporary (1 month right now) - Level changes do not affect scoring (i.e. players are not considered as having disconnected & reconnected over a level change) - Servers with low connection counts are not subject to being delisted. This means if you're testing something on your new server you don't have much to worry about. At least for now, this isn't meant to be a method to tell us or the community as a whole how good a server is. It is strictly for identifying servers that are doing really bad things like lying about their player count or redirecting. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
