[Hornlist] Finke Rotors

[Loren Mayhew]

James asks:

 

Q1: What is the "stuff" that Finke valve rotors are made of?

 

Q2: Anyone own a Finke with valves of this "stuff?"

 

Q3: If so, how have they behaved? (compare & contrast with standard valves)

 

jrc

 

A1: You are most probably referring to the carbon polymeric plastic
compound. This material is virtually impervious to wear. The core comprising
the shaft is metal-stainless steel I believe. This is the standard Finke
rotor material; currently it is colored black. Finke can also make rotors
out of brass on request.

 

A2: I own two Finke triples with these plastic rotors and have a 3rd horn in
stock for sale (new Brendan double).

 

A3: My valves are very fast compared to the valves on my Conn 8d or Holton
281. This difference is more a function of the lever stroke than the rotor
material however. Finke levers are short stroke vs a significantly longer
stroke for many other horns. The Finke rotors do not need lubrication nearly
as often as brass rotors; when the horn is played daily, the rotors almost
never need lubricating as normal condensation in the horn is usually enough
to lubricate them. If the horn is allowed to sit for a time or if it is in a
hot climate where water evaporates easily, it may be necessary occasionally
to lubricate with a couple of drops of very light piston or rotor oil
(Hetman's #1 or #11) to clean off the scale that develops from evaporation
of the condensate.

 

Loren Mayhew

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Finke Horns

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(520) 403-6897

 

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Re: [Hornlist] unnatural

[David Goldberg]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Alan Cole wrote:

> Or, as Ella Fitzgerald put it,...
>
> I blow thru here
> The music goes 'round & around
> Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
> And it comes out here.
> I push the first valve down
(etc.)

I ran into this song in the Danny Kaye movie, "The Five Pennies" (1959). 
A must-see if you want a musical feel-good tear-jerker, or if you are a 
Dixieland jazz cornet player.  Also with Louis Armstrong.  They don't make 
'em like this anymore.


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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing

[billbamberg]

What you say makes sense.  There is no absolute good or evil, just different 
means to different ends, and often both the means and the ends are obscured and 
misrepresented by one side or the other, or both sides.  Take your pick, or 
make up your own mind, depending on what position you already want to believe.
 
Historically, the good guys always win the wars.  Hitler came alarmingly close, 
and he would have been a most 'efficient' good guy.  You're right.  People can 
be made to believe almost anything.  Recruiting suicide bombers with the 
promise of forty young virgins.  I have direct experience with that.  For about 
three years, I had four daughters aged 13 to 19.  That's only ten percent of 
the promise, but I had at least 40 sex crazed guys sneaking around my house.  
The very definition of adolescence is "when all the equipment is very 
functional, except the brain".  From my experience, the reward is quite 
appropriate to the crime.  I hope they only get one bathroom and one phone line.
 
As far as universal ID goes, there are many pro privacy groups relentlessly 
protecting our freedom.  However, you better get rid of your drivers license 
and all forms of bank cards, or any supermarket club cards, because they're all 
already in the system.  Not telling you you're being monitored is the FED's 
idea of privacy.  But just try functioning without them.  They can't arrest you 
for not carrying them, but they can 'detain' you until you can establish your 
identity.  Now think about getting on an airplane with strangers who can't 
establish their identity, especially if they're carrying a strange metal object 
in a weird case, and insisting it fly in the passenger compartment.
 
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Sent: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:14:31 +0200
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing


Hello Bill, you said something which is true. But isn´t that
the vision we had in the "Dr.Mabuse" movies of the 1950-ies
??? Or H.G.Wells vision 1986 ??? Total control or near total
control we have today as we all are victims to the use of
e-cards, cell phones, internet, is that much different from
control in totalitarian systems ? Aren´t we just regarded as
ciffres (numbers) on paper instead of human beings ? Aren´t
we just reduced to economic factors ? Part of a manipulable
workingforce or consumerforce ??? Or followerforce ??? 

What is the difference between our system, where any
hear-say-parole becomes a one or two day truth story in the
mass media, where you can be hunted down & jailed jus
because your name sounds different to local names or similar
to some suspect names, and other systems where you will be
jailed if somebody denounces you that your wife got some
education & shows her face to a stranger or where you have
been denounced of listening to "The Voice of America"
perhaps or another "enemy" radio station or even just
watching TV ?? 

I see no difference. Is it all a big deficit in education ?
Has our education (modern on our and antiquated on the other
side)just increased the narrow minded level of understanding
technique but reduced the general knowledge dramatically, so
we believe witches & fortune tellers again 

The same with horn playing: higher, faster, louder, newer,
special equipment instead beautiful tone, beautiful
phrasing, better adapting to the equipment at hand, more
natural playing ? I would recommend (???) the chip
implant, so your (orchestra) employer can track you & get
you off any musical activity outside your employment. I
would enforce that & demand chip implants, which can
stimulate you (hard), to prepare for your job, as I am sure,
they have some chips (in the pocket), which are designed not
only to surveillance your whereabouts but to monitore your
activities. They will be able to monitore your private (!!
night or day) activities, check them about success and
prescribe the appropriate v pills in sufficiant numbers,
to empty your pockets to their own benefits. Nightmares
coming one after the other. The next step will be to control
you by chip & radio command like robots. And we believe this
be a free society ?

And the other side brain wash their people by the so called
religion, to manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by
promising the super pious and chaste plenty of virgins in
paradise. Could it be more pervers  Promising the
paradise to the most desperate is more DANGEROUS than
anything else ! There is no paradise. Life is Life, death is
death. 

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Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is
evil.  Keep it simple, and even I can take a position.  I

Re: [Hornlist] unnatural

[YATESLAWRENCE]

 
 
In a message dated 10/07/2005 21:43:41 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
writes:

I push  the other valve down
The music goes 'round &  around
Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
And it comes out  here.



I think I follow this but I'm a little concerned about the  
"Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho" bit,
 
All the best,
 
Lawrence
 
"þaes  ofereode - þisses swa maeg"

_http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) 
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Re: [Hornlist] unnatural

[Alan Cole]

Straight, tapered, combination -- none of it's unnatural, right?

That is, each arrangement responds naturally in its own way to the laws of 
acoustics -- blow certain ways into the upstream end & various 
corresponding musical sounds come out the downstream end.  You could look 
it up.

Or, as Ella Fitzgerald put it,...

I blow thru here
The music goes 'round & around
Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
And it comes out here.
I push the first valve down
The music goes down & around
Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
And it comes out here.
I push the middle valve down
The music goes down around below
Below, below, deedle-dee-ho-ho-ho
Listen to the jazz come out.
I push the other valve down
The music goes 'round & around
Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
And it comes out here.

What could be more natural than that?

-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.
  ~~
At 01:54 PM 7/10/2005, you wrote:

> > The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape.
>The
> > more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore
>nonconicalness
> > to the horn
>
>I must snipe here and say that, as far as I've been able to read,
>"straight-section" tubing in the horn did NOT originate with valved horns.
>Before valved horns, this centrally-located cylindrical tubing was found to
>add stability to the pitch, and was used as such. Read Pizka's and
>Pelletier's (spelling?) websites for history and more details.
>
>Since I wasn't invented 'til 1954, I can't claim first-hand knowledge of
>this, so I could be wrong. If I am, it'd be the second time in less than
>50-years. I'm slipping!
>
>jrc



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[Hornlist] unnatural

[James Ray Crenshaw]

> The naturalness of a horn come from the smoothness of its conical shape.
The
> more valves and slides there are the more straight and therefore
nonconicalness
> to the horn


I must snipe here and say that, as far as I've been able to read,
"straight-section" tubing in the horn did NOT originate with valved horns.
Before valved horns, this centrally-located cylindrical tubing was found to
add stability to the pitch, and was used as such. Read Pizka's and
Pelletier's (spelling?) websites for history and more details.

Since I wasn't invented 'til 1954, I can't claim first-hand knowledge of
this, so I could be wrong. If I am, it'd be the second time in less than
50-years. I'm slipping!

jrc

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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing

[Bill Gross]

If nothing else this proves that the West and World of Islam have one thing
in common.  There are people more than willing to corrupt religious teaching
to justify any vile acts that suits their own warped world view.  The US has
more than its fair share of nuts who do this on a daily basis, the KKK and
other white separatists groups come to mind.  It is worth noting that such
perversions don't reside in the white separatist world.  It is probably a
universal failing of mankind.  

-Original Message-
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David Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:33 AM
To: The Horn List
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Hans wrote:

> I would recommend (???) the chip implant,

If that chip contains a metronome, tuner, and the complete recordings of 
Dennis Brain, it might be worthwhile.

> And the other side brain wash their people by the so called religion, to 
> manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by promising the super pious and 
> chaste plenty of virgins in paradise.

It's (only) 72 virgins.  For serious historical perspective on this, see:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html#articl
e_continue

If this URL is too long, Google "72 virgins", and click "I'm feeling 
lucky", as it is the first hit.  Not only a historical, but (verbally) 
graphic explication.


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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing

[David Goldberg]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Hans wrote:

> I would recommend (???) the chip implant,

If that chip contains a metronome, tuner, and the complete recordings of 
Dennis Brain, it might be worthwhile.

> And the other side brain wash their people by the so called religion, to 
> manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by promising the super pious and 
> chaste plenty of virgins in paradise.

It's (only) 72 virgins.  For serious historical perspective on this, see:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html#article_continue

If this URL is too long, Google "72 virgins", and click "I'm feeling 
lucky", as it is the first hit.  Not only a historical, but (verbally) 
graphic explication.


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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - in compair with horn playing

[Hans]

Hello Bill, you said something which is true. But isn´t that
the vision we had in the "Dr.Mabuse" movies of the 1950-ies
??? Or H.G.Wells vision 1986 ??? Total control or near total
control we have today as we all are victims to the use of
e-cards, cell phones, internet, is that much different from
control in totalitarian systems ? Aren´t we just regarded as
ciffres (numbers) on paper instead of human beings ? Aren´t
we just reduced to economic factors ? Part of a manipulable
workingforce or consumerforce ??? Or followerforce ??? 

What is the difference between our system, where any
hear-say-parole becomes a one or two day truth story in the
mass media, where you can be hunted down & jailed jus
because your name sounds different to local names or similar
to some suspect names, and other systems where you will be
jailed if somebody denounces you that your wife got some
education & shows her face to a stranger or where you have
been denounced of listening to "The Voice of America"
perhaps or another "enemy" radio station or even just
watching TV ?? 

I see no difference. Is it all a big deficit in education ?
Has our education (modern on our and antiquated on the other
side)just increased the narrow minded level of understanding
technique but reduced the general knowledge dramatically, so
we believe witches & fortune tellers again 

The same with horn playing: higher, faster, louder, newer,
special equipment instead beautiful tone, beautiful
phrasing, better adapting to the equipment at hand, more
natural playing ? I would recommend (???) the chip
implant, so your (orchestra) employer can track you & get
you off any musical activity outside your employment. I
would enforce that & demand chip implants, which can
stimulate you (hard), to prepare for your job, as I am sure,
they have some chips (in the pocket), which are designed not
only to surveillance your whereabouts but to monitore your
activities. They will be able to monitore your private (!!
night or day) activities, check them about success and
prescribe the appropriate v pills in sufficiant numbers,
to empty your pockets to their own benefits. Nightmares
coming one after the other. The next step will be to control
you by chip & radio command like robots. And we believe this
be a free society ?

And the other side brain wash their people by the so called
religion, to manipulate them to be suicide bombers, by
promising the super pious and chaste plenty of virgins in
paradise. Could it be more pervers  Promising the
paradise to the most desperate is more DANGEROUS than
anything else ! There is no paradise. Life is Life, death is
death. 


===


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Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is
evil.  Keep it simple, and even I can take a position.  If a
group of people claim to hear their god whispering into
their ear telling them to kill every man, woman, and child
who doesn't conform to their exact beliefs, under their
definitions, these people pose a real threat to the rest of
the population.  A threat equal to that of any homicidal
maniac or sex offender.  They should be prepared to be
hunted down and removed from circulation permanently, under
the rules they have proclaimed.  I have relinquished my
right of personal, individual enforcement, but if the
majority of my fellow citizens feels the need of the duly
elected authorities to take effective, aggressive action, I
support it.  My duty is then to vote in such a way, the
action stays under control.  My only other alternative is to
convert to their beliefs, and hope I can do it convincingly.
 
What I find really scary is our authorities seem more intent
on using this as a scheme to curtail individual freedoms
under the guise of protection.  We're going to prison so the
killers can run free.  Of course, where this is all leading
is to the requirement of a chip implant to track whereabouts
of everyone around any potential target, just like the Bible
says.  Face it, the technology is already mature and being
used every day.  The newer chips in credit cards can be read
from quite a distance, especially as they increase the
detector technology..  If your cell phone can find you, so
can the FEDS.
 
-Original Message-
From: Michael Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:49:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR


David Goldberg wrote:
 
>
 

Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally
discredited McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel
Pipes (should you be interested and concerned),  you might
want to check this out: 
 
http://www.actsofco

Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

[billbamberg]

Again, There is no point in arguing who is good and who is evil.  Keep it 
simple, and even I can take a position.  If a group of people claim to hear 
their god whispering into their ear telling them to kill every man, woman, and 
child who doesn't conform to their exact beliefs, under their definitions, 
these people pose a real threat to the rest of the population.  A threat equal 
to that of any homicidal maniac or sex offender.  They should be prepared to be 
hunted down and removed from circulation permanently, under the rules they have 
proclaimed.  I have relinquished my right of personal, individual enforcement, 
but if the majority of my fellow citizens feels the need of the duly elected 
authorities to take effective, aggressive action, I support it.  My duty is 
then to vote in such a way, the action stays under control.  My only other 
alternative is to convert to their beliefs, and hope I can do it convincingly.
 
What I find really scary is our authorities seem more intent on using this as a 
scheme to curtail individual freedoms under the guise of protection.  We're 
going to prison so the killers can run free.  Of course, where this is all 
leading is to the requirement of a chip implant to track whereabouts of 
everyone around any potential target, just like the Bible says.  Face it, the 
technology is already mature and being used every day.  The newer chips in 
credit cards can be read from quite a distance, especially as they increase the 
detector technology..  If your cell phone can find you, so can the FEDS.
 
-Original Message-
From: Michael Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:49:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR


David Goldberg wrote:
 
>
 

Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally discredited 
McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel Pipes (should you be interested 
and concerned),  you might want to check this out: 
 
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
 
-Michael Henry
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from: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check this out for
some background on the attack:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742


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[Hornlist] U.K. attack

[Alon reuven]

In Israel , where I live ,we are( unfortunatly )experienced in large
scale teror attacks . The only way you can reduce the danger to get
injured or killed is to avoid jamed croud or long line.There is a huge
nomber of variables - and the best answer to teror is life . you can't
just lock yourself at home . play , make love ( and if you really have
to , war ), fight fear any way you can.
Alon
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Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

[Hans]

We had enough examples in history, how the "oath of
allegiance" , religious (followers, fanatics) or military
(officers) paralysed the brains of otherwise well educated &
intelligent people, e.g. the Prussian generals in A.H.´s
head quarter. This applies to both sides today.

How answers Marquis de Posa to King Philipp of Spain, when
the King told him of the peace in the Netherlands: "Yes,
Peace, . The peace of the cemetary !"

How did Chinese emperors handle affairs after a war ? They
ordered all enemy troups to be executed. Also a form to
create peace - for a while.

Mankind seems unable to learn from history. We seem to
return to believe witches & sorcerers, fortune tellers &
magicians - who call themselves religious or semi-religious
political leaders, and erode HUMANITY step by step. Please
understand, I do not blame onesided. It applies for all
sides.

Respect each other, trust, -  in the real meaning of the
word, - understanding, convincing, - yes, this would help
for a better peaceful world. If just one group would claim
that they & their way is the only right one, it would be no
difference to the situation after one side has won the game
and all others have to shut-up.

We had or even have a similar situation in the horn
community, where just one way of horn playing should be the
right one, instead of admiring the diversity & enjoying on
the diversity without any pressure to adapt oneself to the
one or the other way, except if joining a certain group.


=

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David Goldberg wrote:
 
>
 

Uh, sure Davidand for some background on the totally
discredited McCarthy-ite right wing racist nutcase Daniel
Pipes (should you be interested and concerned),  you might
want to check this out: 
 
http://www.actsofconscience.net/Pipes/stopthenomination.html
 
-Michael Henry
---

from: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
subject: Re: [Hornlist] UK attack - NHR

Bill, Jonathan, Hans, others interested and concerned, check
this out for some background on the attack:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2742


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