RE: [Hornlist] Rushing headaches while playing
READ MY MESSAGE TO THIS MATTER, PLEASE; READ IT CAREFULLY. IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING - AND I HAVE PLAYED THIS SOLO to manytimes in performances (may-be 200times) and for myself. And my fortissimo (at the end) is probably some 20-30 db louder than anybody else (except a handful of players), so I know about the problem (also head ache sometimes, near passing out sometimes because of too much tension, wrong lip opening etc.). NOT A CASE FOR A DOCTOR Please, friends, hold back with your advice if you dont know the matter from real world, please !! === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rushing headaches while playing You certainly want to bring this to a doctor's attention as soon as possible. Your doctor has modern resources to quickly rule out anything serious, and will probably have an explanation to put you at ease. You have a lot of friends on the list who will be waiting for you to post that you have an appointment with your doctor. To answer your question, no, I've never heard of a condition quite like that unless accompanied by a severe head cold. You brought it up and got our interest and concern. You now have a responsibility to yourself and your friends to report a definitive answer. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Fundamental philosophy
Dear friends on the list, dear future colleagues on the list, There is some fundamental error in the philosophy of many people regarding approaching things, techniques, etc. getting problems solved. Many of you think, changing the equipment, changing the personal (teacher, politicians, technicians, doctors), changing the energy supply (food, diet, bananas, roseberries, chocolate products, etc.), consulting teachers, doctors or psychiatrists would solve your (playing) problems. But it is not that change, which might help. It is YOU, who has to change attitudes, ambition, technique, breathing, posturing, maintaining. You You again. Nothing else. This is the only way to change things for your playing, for your life, for your health, for your politics. Nothing different. I know, it is very different to the life style in several countries (even here in Europe similar philosophies became popular thus hindering the progress in many fields), but it is the only way to even partly success. And the story is long. It is not a buy the instrument no matter it fits you, and buying a guide book written by a more or less popular artist, eventually paying for a few initial lessons, buy R.Strauss concerto op.11 work hard on it for many years, to become a horn player. Studying any instrument, any science or profession, is a rather lengthy process. Growing step by step. But, this applies not only to music. Science, politics, computering, all is acquired step by step only. Dont bridle the horse backwards, please. You will fail. Greetings Hans Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] International Excerpt Books available
I have had to stop playing horn because of facial muscle problems, and I will be selling (gradually) my library of music on e-Bay. Currently I am offering a set of volumes 1-6 of the International Edition Orchestral Excerpts (Chambers) for horn. They are in excellent to new condition. For those of you who are newly serious about the horn, these are the standard set for learning the great horn parts in orchestral music. For those of you who already have them, a second set can come in handy for loaning to students, etc. The starting bid is $50, and the current list prices from the International catalog for these is over $118. E-Bay listing (4 days left, as of September 3): French Horn Excerpt Books International Ed. Volumes 1-6 Item number: 7346758265 Thanks, Penny ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rushing headache
First of all thank you for your concern and responses. I am planning on mentioning it to my Dr. BECAUSE I am in shape to play it and I DO have the strength to play it just fine. I can also play other high excerpts just fine, but I only get the head rush AFTER, NOT DURING the short call. I¹m not struggling with the tonguing, nor am I over-blowing. Maybe what I am experiencing is EXACTLY what Mr. Pizka¹s last word mentioned: Last word: if you go on full power for the high c, well, you will feel a certain pressure in your head anyway, sometimes nearly passing out ! I just thought it¹s odd that it only happens with the short call and not on Beethoven 7. I was just curious if others who have played it have experienced the same as myself. It makes sense that going out full power at the end to play over the orchestra could produce a pressure in your head, sometimes nearly passing out, because that is how I feel. I just don¹t want to pass out if I don¹t have to! Oh, and also being new to this list, I don¹t remember posting ³my philosophy². Did I post something that I forgot about? I appreciate the constructive ideas, but not the assuming criticism. Paulette Velazquez ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Rushing headache
May I ask you, if you are a full pro in a full time orchestra, and may I ask you about the years of playing experience you have as a professional, and may I finally ask you kindly, at which position do you play if you are a professional ? I ask this, before I can answer further. The criticism was not directed to you personally (might sound so), but towards those who blah-blah so often on this list. By the way, Beethoven no.7 Short Call are not compareable as you play in the high register between high b-natural e2 in the Beethoven, while the Short Call does not exceed the written g2 except for the last two measures (six eights g-f-e : a-g-f : b-nat-a-g : c3. This means, you are doing something wrong, like lips too much closed, throat too tight, too much air pressure, perhaps. Try the high c3 with 23 on the F-side tell me how you feel then. Just the high c. This fingering produces a super ringing high c - in tune - and with less back pressure (resistance). Criticism is essential for progress. But criticism must be understood as it is not be taken as a personal insult. Criticism has to be seen as positive, so one can build up oneself. And, as a musician we are exposed to criticism every night, every day, every hour, every minute, every second, criticism by listeners, conductors, colleagues, composers, etc. (funny enough, three of these groups of persons start with letter c). == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paulette Velazquez Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Rushing headache First of all thank you for your concern and responses. I am planning on mentioning it to my Dr. BECAUSE I am in shape to play it and I DO have the strength to play it just fine. I can also play other high excerpts just fine, but I only get the head rush AFTER, NOT DURING the short call. I¹m not struggling with the tonguing, nor am I over-blowing. Maybe what I am experiencing is EXACTLY what Mr. Pizka¹s last word mentioned: Last word: if you go on full power for the high c, well, you will feel a certain pressure in your head anyway, sometimes nearly passing out ! I just thought it¹s odd that it only happens with the short call and not on Beethoven 7. I was just curious if others who have played it have experienced the same as myself. It makes sense that going out full power at the end to play over the orchestra could produce a pressure in your head, sometimes nearly passing out, because that is how I feel. I just don¹t want to pass out if I don¹t have to! Oh, and also being new to this list, I don¹t remember posting ³my philosophy². Did I post something that I forgot about? I appreciate the constructive ideas, but not the assuming criticism. Paulette Velazquez ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re Rushing headaches
Hans is probably right about the ladies problem resulting from technique. I wouldn't rule out underlying organic problems either. Cerebral-vascular hypertension should be addressed by an MD. The technique problem should be addressed by a competent horn teacher. Glibly diagnosing physical, societal, technique and philosphical issues and the basis of one paragraph querie by a lister is a bit much, Hans. A little bit more humilty on your part would make your philosophy more palatible. If I wanted preaching, I wouldn't subscribe to the horn list. --wabotte ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tuning pitch of A
Dear listers: I've been out of the mainstream of orchestral playing for several years and wonder whether orchestras in the U.S. still use A=440 or have they been shifting to A=442. Can anyone clue me in? James R. Price 2603 Fairmont Rd. Montgomery, AL 36111 334-281-2532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Rushing headaches while playing
Hans Pizka wrote: --- READ MY MESSAGE TO THIS MATTER, PLEASE; READ IT CAREFULLY. IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING - AND I HAVE PLAYED THIS SOLO to manytimes in performances (may-be 200times) and for myself. And my fortissimo (at the end) is probably some 20-30 db louder than anybody else (except a handful of players), so I know about the problem (also head ache sometimes, near passing out sometimes because of too much tension, wrong lip opening etc.). NOT A CASE FOR A DOCTOR Please, friends, hold back with your advice if you dont know the matter from real world, please !! -- Even though I almost never post, I felt compelled to respond. I hope nobody listens to Hans's advice not to see a doctor about any physical discomfort or pain that might come from playing. In his next post, Hans said that a doctor can't help your horn playing. That's true. Just as true is that a horn player, no matter how good, shouldn't be giving you medical advice. If something is painful, I vote for seeing a doctor about it. It won't help your horn playing, but it could save your life! Matt Pollack Topsham, Maine ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Band music....
We played someone's arrangement of Pines of Rome a while ago that must have been pretty darned faithful, then. 3rd horn part had 3.5 octave range from low F# to b2, if I recall correctly. Challenging piece, but loads of fun. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: Trey Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music When doing (faithful) orchestral transcriptions I've run into some bass clef, but you've gotta have a pretty darn good band (and band director) to pull that kind of stuff off. From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:40:53 -0400 Dear fatty goat you, That depends -- when you get to playing standard symphonic band music such as the Holst Suites, Toccata Marziale, R. Vaughn Williams, Morton Gould and such top notch music you will have stuff for the horns only to play! When you play 6-way scored works you'll get the Eb line also played by Alto saxophones, which is the standard for way too much commercial trash cranked out for school bands. You might get some bass clef music. You will get bass clef when you get into orchestra music. Standard orchestra, that is. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Thursday, September 1, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Adam Heuston wrote: Well, I am a high school student and I just have to wonder. Is there gonna be any bass clef reading in high school band music? Or will there FINALLY be a bit that the horn section and only the horn section plays? - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treyinitalia%40hotmail.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR - Giant Cabbage
Is this or isn't it horn related? After all we do have a cabbage posting here. Giant cabbage takes fair's grand prize 10-year-old descendant of Matanuska colonist also won in 2003 By KYLE HOPKINS Anchorage Daily News Published: September 3, 2005 Last Modified: September 3, 2005 at 07:31 AM A 60-pound girl who grew an 85-pound cabbage won the annual Alaska State Fair Giant Cabbage Weigh-Off Friday, capping what has become one of the defining events at the fair -- colossal produce competitions. Brenna Dinkel, the 10-year-old great-granddaughter of an early Matanuska colonist, explained her cabbage-tending duties after winning the $2,000 grand prize. It is her second time to top cabbage growers at the fair; she won as an 8-year-old in 2003 with a 77.6-pound entry. We had to make sure the moose didn't get it, said Brenna, who grew her cabbage on a Wasilla farm. Her cousin, Seth Dinkel, 12, took second place with an 81-pound entry. Fueled by Alaska's long hours of sunlight, prize-winning produce at the fair broke nine state records this year. The haul includes a 4.25-pound parsnip, a 32.45-pound table beet and a 168.6-pound watermelon that crushed the previous record by 100 pounds. Some of the whopping produce will remain at the fair through Monday, while earlier entries may have already made it onto tables at Bean's Cafe in Anchorage or the Palmer Senior Center as donations. Planetary cantaloupes and mountainous watermelons are tasty despite their freakish size, volunteers said, but cabbages like Brenna Dinkel's probably won't be eaten. It's like you'd have to de-bone an animal, to eat some of those, said Bridgette Preston, who coordinates the cabbage weigh-off, pointing toward thick veins running through towel-sized leaves on the larger cabbages. Visitors Friday also marveled at the new state record pumpkin, a pale and misshapen specimen that sat a short distance away from the cabbage weigh-off, practically hanging off a wooden palette like a sleeping Jabba the Hutt. The pumpkin weighs 942 pounds, or about three Shaquille O'Neals. Last year's state fair competitions also yielded nine state records, including a world-record breaking cantaloupe, turnip and kohlrabi. Brenna Dinkel said she hopes to one day capture the cabbage state record, which stands at 105.6 pounds. Another of Friday's crowd favorites was Kevin Spannagel, an air-traffic controller who lives in the Butte and wore green hair and a purple suit to the weigh-off. Spannagel named his cabbage Henpecked, because the neighbors' chickens worked it over early in life. Henpecked took third place, at 77 pounds, though his entry in the limerick competition placed first: The mystery is solved, the chickens are cooped. It's been a long summer and I am so pooped. When all is said and done, I may not have a winner. To show there are no hard feelings, I invited the neighbors to dinner. After Spannagel's weigh in, as volunteers hauled Brenna's cabbage to the giant scale, a young man wearing a bandana and shiny metal necklace stood next to Spannagel, surveying the rows of produce. Say man, that's an impressive, impressive cabbage. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Band music....
The name sounds familiar, so I'll bet you're right. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: chris bonner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music Might have been arranged by Mark Hindsley, his really tries to be faithful to the original composition. Chris - Original Message - From: John Baumgart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music We played someone's arrangement of Pines of Rome a while ago that must have been pretty darned faithful, then. 3rd horn part had 3.5 octave range from low F# to b2, if I recall correctly. Challenging piece, but loads of fun. John Baumgart ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR - Giant Cabbage
85-pound cabbage being served up at Bean's cafe. I guess we know how they heat their homes in the winter. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WIlliam Botte' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:33 PM Subject: [Hornlist] NHR - Giant Cabbage A 60-pound girl who grew an 85-pound cabbage won the annual Alaska State Fair Giant Cabbage Weigh-Off Friday, capping what has become one of the defining events at the fair -- colossal produce competitions. ... Some of the whopping produce will remain at the fair through Monday, while earlier entries may have already made it onto tables at Bean's Cafe in Anchorage or the Palmer Senior Center as donations. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Thunderlip Music
The address for Thunderlip Music is: 23 Benlamond Avenue, Toronto, M4E 1Y8 Canada. Information from the Dalley Horn Catalogue. Harriet Nielsen Dalley ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:Eternal Father by Claude Smith
You picked quite a piece to comment about bass clef writing in concert band music. The 4th horn part descends to pedal E Flat, Thats right, one line below the bass clef staff in modern bass clef notation. For compositions for horn quartet with band accompaniment, actually there are several. In addition to the Schumann and Hubler concertos arranged from orchestra to band, there are several original works. Many are lighthearted 'hunt' type melodies. But one or two are serious works. One that I have available is a 2002 work by J. Wilkins Concerto for 4 horns and band. Regards. Harriet Nielsen Dalley ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Band music....
Guy Duker did the arrangement. It's outstanding. Check out... http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=2217 -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 06:05 PM 9/3/2005, you wrote: We played someone's arrangement of Pines of Rome a while ago that must have been pretty darned faithful, then. 3rd horn part had 3.5 octave range from low F# to b2, if I recall correctly. Challenging piece, but loads of fun. John Baumgart - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Band music....
The Pines of Rome arrangement was likely by Guy Duker, formerly of The University of Illinois. He passed away at least a few years ago. Phil Jacobs In a message dated 9/3/2005 5:10:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We played someone's arrangement of Pines of Rome a while ago that must have been pretty darned faithful, then. 3rd horn part had 3.5 octave range from low F# to b2, if I recall correctly. Challenging piece, but loads of fun. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: Trey Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music When doing (faithful) orchestral transcriptions I've run into some bass clef, but you've gotta have a pretty darn good band (and band director) to pull that kind of stuff off. From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Band music Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:40:53 -0400 Dear fatty goat you, That depends -- when you get to playing standard symphonic band music such as the Holst Suites, Toccata Marziale, R. Vaughn Williams, Morton Gould and such top notch music you will have stuff for the horns only to play! When you play 6-way scored works you'll get the Eb line also played by Alto saxophones, which is the standard for way too much commercial trash cranked out for school bands. You might get some bass clef music. You will get bass clef when you get into orchestra music. Standard orchestra, that is. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Thursday, September 1, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Adam Heuston wrote: Well, I am a high school student and I just have to wonder. Is there gonna be any bass clef reading in high school band music? Or will there FINALLY be a bit that the horn section and only the horn section plays? - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treyinitalia%40hotmail.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/plj59%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] BBC Proms
Anyone else (in the U.S.) happen to catch the Mahler 8th performance on Discovery channel, with Simon Rattle conducting a British student orchestra? I was totally amazed with the musicianship of these students, who appeared to be 16 - 17 years old...I thought I was listening to a professional orchestra. It wasn't just that no notes were being missed, the concept of sound and of making Mahler's symphony come alive was all there. For example, they had alot of closeups on the trombonesyou see these little kids (from my old point of view) pick up their instruments to play, and this impossibly mature sound comes outI thought I was in the twilight zone! Britain should be very proud of their kids and their educational system. Fred ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
