Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
On 8/19/2014 11:14 AM, Andrew Buck wrote: Maps are reference works and I would think that I can look at them > as they are presented on the web (apparently with permission) while > doing some geographic related task without violating the spirit or > letter of copyright. No, we can't use them even in that way, as that is still taking information from it, it is just harder to do but that doesn't change the legality of it. In either case you are producing a derived work of the map and you need permission to do that. Aye, understood. Thank you for the clarification. Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I was wondering 2 things: > > 1. Is there a process in place or materials we can use to actually > try and obtain that permission? The legal working group has looked at things like this in the past when there is some question, but as far as I know there is no formal process in place to ask. It is just up to you or whoever wants to use the maps to make the request. I would say it would be very difficult to get this permission though. > 2. While not using maps like these directly, not loading them as a > layer or some other direct means, is there any reason I can't look > at them separately as a reference to help me locate a settlement or > confirm a settlement location? > > Maps are reference works and I would think that I can look at them > as they are presented on the web (apparently with permission) while > doing some geographic related task without violating the spirit or > letter of copyright. No, we can't use them even in that way, as that is still taking information from it, it is just harder to do but that doesn't change the legality of it. In either case you are producing a derived work of the map and you need permission to do that. - -AndrewBuck -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT82nLAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbkrYP/RUYcoxPsQLULpkC9y+qZn0c iRdxOLvA37fA+MExvzSsRbC4g0e0CH5seJD9/mviOe64fuKITphdKgdSjzaAPc/G vPGK2cV4pcrM+ciIq25ex7JEVW2bylmHhCCMzR2ePCtCTuWma4OudFHyeFxNAtAe cAlqoPRII3+IyaSGxNLfMhbn7H0E9Sk7BrTEW30PNyBudl5l6z7fp2AX4ePB6H2d 3WwVyeG7X2TnmRjI93qWHn7M2OorlMqymU6NF221IAxmC4TBr7V9R2BvIzWYmc1y UoFQKibSQkkVUNH4Azoyt+YGt/EH2pa63CxFU2J9uTWkK1VyFqlT4ea02ZvALF04 rspWl0K4xJjUHneXQfgIRKNO6Z5pjzXhNSq6QSYlytRw7metjLengO/AboyaZZhs FtAfhPvWspLp9+gy2mKCSLyollvnb6I4p9le9/DQytE23SnsVVV0gjWiIouPoVPX 7pzRiJtmQ9KtlOsokjIY2JmC4lS7bAzb+QEHg4BCuDr+QXHW93reTp4EOIZs8elC /POzL+YJNssPPlzDoTP5Eh9tVLBBu8ad5DTO8+lOqxdDyduOZ555aa5pPL50wFbZ Dvy/9TQ+d/aDAxf4T8MSrOOaE6FT6CdAlppAGmwiAviVYLl5wUpzDi6Nb/VasfmP w6EFZM186nNgLphrU8fI =Nx93 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
On 8/19/2014 9:30 AM, Andrew Buck wrote: These do look like good maps, unfortunately they are labeled as copyrighted to the Sierra Leone Government in 1972, which means they are still protected by this copyright. Without a clear statement from them that we can put them into OSM then I don't think we can use them. It is really unfortunate, but we can't risk contaminating our database with non-free information. Hi Andrew, I was wondering 2 things: 1. Is there a process in place or materials we can use to actually try and obtain that permission? 2. While not using maps like these directly, not loading them as a layer or some other direct means, is there any reason I can't look at them separately as a reference to help me locate a settlement or confirm a settlement location? Maps are reference works and I would think that I can look at them as they are presented on the web (apparently with permission) while doing some geographic related task without violating the spirit or letter of copyright. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as > a Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack > engineer who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of > the district of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have > someone on the ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. Would you be able to get in touch with him to send him info about OSM? Assuming he has a decent internet connection, the best way he could help would be to just dive right in and add POI and name data for the area (of which he probably knows quite a lot). We would be happy to help him with learning to use the tools via skype or mumble voice chat programs. If he wants to chat on skype in english I can help him (my skype name is andrewbuck40) or if he only speaks French the Pierre Beland would probably be able to help as well. Looking at the area I see we have already mapped all the roads and buildings, so it should be quite easy to add the information to them for POI info. - -AndrewBuck -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT81gDAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbEgIP+QHrUjrpQ0iF9jHeac6W5US+ k7W/C7qvrlxUl/Kdx2I7fD+bHGCPnG9tbBhrWu9IgRr2jGwECwIKNurhPohrk+11 57uvYt9dKbodn5YkOXV7qnZIYgMWGiZsXvb0jIAAQcg09WBWUpL+KmZEB74K7MXZ fTvFny/y5+kYVn7APIGc8dB/gaNGRmkJq+i7inBXeFR8MswzTTge3PoD2AHkpreg SkoIrtrcwEPLVvryUitKYYFHMR+NbY6YancBiNmQ7LrSKwcExH5TwDmV3lnZaAJD 3Y/JWzaET6o22sepjLmEvZPsmZEoRtuVkmaa8fIgNU69xbQ0DFP3lQOYqym/TbLg /K1BCorybz9bQUfCiIv9qgxyVcHJZuHL5TmueKbAVT6jTxwrlsVsb0HmDHddWdlB khruvyJotPOIDOlEVglHsBFUA3xHvYEVvwgjdVM/AuV4PvLHEe7RNZ9novi/hinA c7Z3QqqS7B15+BA/UUgJGyAQBffGtLlAb+HK6Ie2EU2GAViYaXtAKQFciq6iqxh+ 5SwQKaAKBMyo2jOd795m5Gm3w9hKlUobNwHJ0qh2QGOuGT3AyfwSZ+q+ILyJgSCs dlUd8WmjKqZUoVs2kNirku49pKZl6aoCESYLa4jm1QyX/+dQVV6SnGROYdSgqwSG K0SU53BGnPBYT8/p8gDt =wQa3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 These do look like good maps, unfortunately they are labeled as copyrighted to the Sierra Leone Government in 1972, which means they are still protected by this copyright. Without a clear statement from them that we can put them into OSM then I don't think we can use them. It is really unfortunate, but we can't risk contaminating our database with non-free information. The only statement I can see on the first page is a citation at the top to an academic journal article but the article itself is not linked. Even if we do find the text of the article, I am afraid the article is just about putting them online, and will not actually contain a proper license statement that we could use. It sucks that this is the way it is, but that is the reason we are able to do all the things we do with our data. Being able to redistribute it to commercial and non-commercial entities alike is a key thing that is important to the OSM dataset so we have to be very stringent on what sources we use for our information. - -AndrewBuck On 08/19/2014 08:13 AM, Ralf Stephan wrote: > Many thanks, James. > > Not only are they drawn with a finer pencil and so present with > more clarity, I could just now find a hamlet's position that did > not exist on the US Army Topo / JOG maps. > > Regards, > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, freeman > wrote: Hello Hot Mappers, > > I work at a local civil engineering firm in Freetown. I've been > working with local mapping resources of Sierra Leone for about 5 > years now. For localities, the GNS map names should be fine, but > it would be nice to compare it against the 1972 Department of > Overseas Surveys maps. They are found on 'Soil Maps of Africa' > site: > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/lists/csl.htm > > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_1toph.htm > > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_2toph.htm > > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_3toph.htm > > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_4toph.htm > > These are 1:250,000 Maps created by the British government in > partnership with the local Ministry of Surveys and Lands after the > handover in 1968. > > David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as > a Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack > engineer who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of > the district of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have > someone on the ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. > > James Freeman >> >> ___ HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > ___ HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT81FZAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb/YIP/2U/EC+uXpExvraato0lNl+D S+rmrRNeALxhLqSiCFV/nAn0KQOEZMST8RNxWW3Rw49EWBxcV5pMR3aLJBXQkcBc jnpv4AA91CwhLAClJo/onkbcmnsd4Qif6IgCsQwoiqkXxvP7X3EdsbeZCNS92bTH JAf77ky3S3RrRBP/9QJdqN7z27JMInBOtXXc5By3I0P6u5hvRRB4ofqh9rlemaX9 kKAVjIRLXYW2FjTjSWDCTMfx331NhIGcn/wDXI6qxNxSUA1LbP3OqoYkFttdI+JG AZXixPfcNyHqx4dHqlW99jcB582H7ncE5LXAep5waLA+KJnpfvBl0TtURO/wXhK6 m3sLbwy4GL42Aq8l4gknUV0uwiuJBqVvq1g1TtT8UOXRiMemHoDJZ4/NolLqGxM5 XfaKK/0VSAY/OBe7fPFzcf54p5+LfxjbN5qGvOQ/n8Ap+e2Sjx28zndL8waCxORX KqVJCsJyIY+erDlBfhbpy0vIUZPN5f0zM105/OiIyIFI0Wt5neyLhcAl3ofr04VR xiT4G/QVJktun7+hb5IAUUvR+h611ByAZStxxosUX9QeE5WEXLLGOEPrGBbuDpgL zQQ58iGf7jBve58c63eCG+rfX9jkZrmXI9r+VTldQGoij+lTADD87T7ZRZgTVhLf 4dScTEu3x4UnNv665+X6 =Vp+s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
Many thanks, James. Not only are they drawn with a finer pencil and so present with more clarity, I could just now find a hamlet's position that did not exist on the US Army Topo / JOG maps. Regards, On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, freeman wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Hot Mappers, > > I work at a local civil engineering firm in Freetown. I've been > working with local mapping resources of Sierra Leone for about 5 years > now. For localities, the GNS map names should be fine, but it would > be nice to compare it against the 1972 Department of Overseas Surveys > maps. They are found on 'Soil Maps of Africa' site: > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/lists/csl.htm > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_1toph.htm > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_2toph.htm > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_3toph.htm > > http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_4toph.htm > > These are 1:250,000 Maps created by the British government in > partnership with the local Ministry of Surveys and Lands after the > handover in 1968. > > David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as a > Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack engineer > who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of the district > of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have someone on the > ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. > > James Freeman > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT7dIKAAoJEFKkxwxRLOQTJwIIAIEyC+on2X6L0ShLbvgdDcnA > 8EXz+3uRe+vgT3g2EqVODneUEmkJnH0HTTvcoYCllzCiPSDzM1l+YEoHB5kSM1bn > Bid3pVOiu7wN1NZzeMXQn3hN2saL1Fqfqohby/Jj8rT/DFPfZJGeLgS05tLY3ei0 > 8ughke+5hDPonFtUlcqPCqWjZr3Mj0KsUkTLeFrwLiVGChfgytqq/8OIAFBfQOIJ > BYpmPX4RWFE+3hgOcQKgTm8vdOt2S8s5tKDlAuP0G3WkcUqvqsTi/eFg5LZNit1y > KulUfgvSHtHQASUF3wu1UkQMR/Ee7ihs9EX0v8MkyjlfRGZIuKWA6Ymb8K0kqzo= > =e0Be > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
Thanks James, I will pass this info to GIS officers on the ground. As I said before, people with local knowledge can help improving the map by adding street names and major infrastructures in cities or correct some villages names. Pierre De : freeman À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 août 2014 5h25 Objet : Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Hot Mappers, I work at a local civil engineering firm in Freetown. I've been working with local mapping resources of Sierra Leone for about 5 years now. For localities, the GNS map names should be fine, but it would be nice to compare it against the 1972 Department of Overseas Surveys maps. They are found on 'Soil Maps of Africa' site: http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/lists/csl.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_1toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_2toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_3toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_4toph.htm These are 1:250,000 Maps created by the British government in partnership with the local Ministry of Surveys and Lands after the handover in 1968. David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as a Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack engineer who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of the district of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have someone on the ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. James Freeman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT7dIKAAoJEFKkxwxRLOQTJwIIAIEyC+on2X6L0ShLbvgdDcnA 8EXz+3uRe+vgT3g2EqVODneUEmkJnH0HTTvcoYCllzCiPSDzM1l+YEoHB5kSM1bn Bid3pVOiu7wN1NZzeMXQn3hN2saL1Fqfqohby/Jj8rT/DFPfZJGeLgS05tLY3ei0 8ughke+5hDPonFtUlcqPCqWjZr3Mj0KsUkTLeFrwLiVGChfgytqq/8OIAFBfQOIJ BYpmPX4RWFE+3hgOcQKgTm8vdOt2S8s5tKDlAuP0G3WkcUqvqsTi/eFg5LZNit1y KulUfgvSHtHQASUF3wu1UkQMR/Ee7ihs9EX0v8MkyjlfRGZIuKWA6Ymb8K0kqzo= =e0Be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
Wow, those look great, thank you very much. Is there anything like those for Liberia that you are aware of? And of course there is the question of if they are still under copyright, but I see at least on the website we are given permission to use them with credit and they are put up with a mission statement of making sure they are preserved and made digital freely accessed by the public. On 8/15/2014 5:25 AM, freeman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Hot Mappers, I work at a local civil engineering firm in Freetown. I've been working with local mapping resources of Sierra Leone for about 5 years now. For localities, the GNS map names should be fine, but it would be nice to compare it against the 1972 Department of Overseas Surveys maps. They are found on 'Soil Maps of Africa' site: http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/lists/csl.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_1toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_2toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_3toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_4toph.htm These are 1:250,000 Maps created by the British government in partnership with the local Ministry of Surveys and Lands after the handover in 1968. David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as a Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack engineer who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of the district of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have someone on the ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. James Freeman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT7dIKAAoJEFKkxwxRLOQTJwIIAIEyC+on2X6L0ShLbvgdDcnA 8EXz+3uRe+vgT3g2EqVODneUEmkJnH0HTTvcoYCllzCiPSDzM1l+YEoHB5kSM1bn Bid3pVOiu7wN1NZzeMXQn3hN2saL1Fqfqohby/Jj8rT/DFPfZJGeLgS05tLY3ei0 8ughke+5hDPonFtUlcqPCqWjZr3Mj0KsUkTLeFrwLiVGChfgytqq/8OIAFBfQOIJ BYpmPX4RWFE+3hgOcQKgTm8vdOt2S8s5tKDlAuP0G3WkcUqvqsTi/eFg5LZNit1y KulUfgvSHtHQASUF3wu1UkQMR/Ee7ihs9EX0v8MkyjlfRGZIuKWA6Ymb8K0kqzo= =e0Be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 54, Issue 28
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Hot Mappers, I work at a local civil engineering firm in Freetown. I've been working with local mapping resources of Sierra Leone for about 5 years now. For localities, the GNS map names should be fine, but it would be nice to compare it against the 1972 Department of Overseas Surveys maps. They are found on 'Soil Maps of Africa' site: http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/lists/csl.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_1toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_2toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_3toph.htm http://eusoils.jrc.ec.europa.eu/esdb_archive/eudasm/africa/maps/afr_sl3001_4toph.htm These are 1:250,000 Maps created by the British government in partnership with the local Ministry of Surveys and Lands after the handover in 1968. David Keili-Coomber is a Civil Engineer who is currently serving as a Paramount Chief for Mandu Chiefdom Kailahun. He is a crack engineer who is very familiar with GIS and has local knowledge of the district of Kailahun in particular. It may be good to have someone on the ground pass him a copy of field maps for review. James Freeman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT7dIKAAoJEFKkxwxRLOQTJwIIAIEyC+on2X6L0ShLbvgdDcnA 8EXz+3uRe+vgT3g2EqVODneUEmkJnH0HTTvcoYCllzCiPSDzM1l+YEoHB5kSM1bn Bid3pVOiu7wN1NZzeMXQn3hN2saL1Fqfqohby/Jj8rT/DFPfZJGeLgS05tLY3ei0 8ughke+5hDPonFtUlcqPCqWjZr3Mj0KsUkTLeFrwLiVGChfgytqq/8OIAFBfQOIJ BYpmPX4RWFE+3hgOcQKgTm8vdOt2S8s5tKDlAuP0G3WkcUqvqsTi/eFg5LZNit1y KulUfgvSHtHQASUF3wu1UkQMR/Ee7ihs9EX0v8MkyjlfRGZIuKWA6Ymb8K0kqzo= =e0Be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
