[hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
On 18 Mai, 00:08, Bruno Postle wrote: > On Thu 17-May-2012 at 03:54 -0700, David Horman wrote: > >On the stitcher tab, which panorama output option should I tick if I want a > >blended, *not* exposure corrected, low dynamic range panorama? > > At the moment you need to reset all photometric parameters in the > Images tab, then stitch as normal. > > What is your objection to the exposure correction? You don't want > any exposure correction, even from the EXIF data? or you don't like > the values that the photometric optimisation comes up with? One situation where I find I have to work without exposure correction (beyond merely reading the EXIF data) is when I do takes outdoors with swiftly moving clouds. They can result in the photometric optimization going wrong, because the assumption that the same spot in different images is equally bright doesn't hold anymore. The blender will still make a good panorama in the end, but with photometric optimization I sometimes get overexposed bits with weird colours. Kay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
2012/5/18 Monkey > I shoot on manual and trust my blender to correct any other exposure > difference (which should be very little), and I think having to reset all > parameters to 0 to turn it "off" (when in fact it's still *on*, just at 0 > strength, as it were) is pretty convoluted. > > A "no exposure correction" option seems very sensible to me - is this > really something no-one else ever wanted? :S > I would imagine a number of checkbox switches, one for exposure correction, one for stacks, one for HDR, etc., instead of the current checkboxes under "Panorama Outputs" and "Remapped Images" in the Stitcher tab (current layout; haven't seen the GUI overhaul) to be more intuitive. Just a thought. Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
On Thu 17-May-2012 at 15:32 -0700, David Horman wrote: I shoot on manual and trust my blender to correct any other exposure difference (which should be very little), and I think having to reset all parameters to 0 to turn it "off" (when in fact it's still *on*, just at 0 strength, as it were) is pretty convoluted. You don't have to set the Eev to 0, you can set it to 1 or 1000, so long as it is the same for all photos. Eev is a log scale so '0' doesn't really mean 'off'. What would be wrong with setting them to the EXIF exposure values rather than calculating them through optimisation? -- Bruno On Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:08:34 PM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote: What is your objection to the exposure correction? You don't want any exposure correction, even from the EXIF data? or you don't like the values that the photometric optimisation comes up with? Sometimes the photometric optimiser doesn't work so well, especially if the geometric alignment hasn't found a good alignment first - but this could be fixed with an extra rule in the assistant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
I shoot on manual and trust my blender to correct any other exposure difference (which should be very little), and I think having to reset all parameters to 0 to turn it "off" (when in fact it's still *on*, just at 0 strength, as it were) is pretty convoluted. A "no exposure correction" option seems very sensible to me - is this really something no-one else ever wanted? :S David On Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:08:34 PM UTC+1, Bruno Postle wrote: > > On Thu 17-May-2012 at 03:54 -0700, David Horman wrote: > > > >On the stitcher tab, which panorama output option should I tick if I want > a > >blended, *not* exposure corrected, low dynamic range panorama? > > At the moment you need to reset all photometric parameters in the > Images tab, then stitch as normal. > > What is your objection to the exposure correction? You don't want > any exposure correction, even from the EXIF data? or you don't like > the values that the photometric optimisation comes up with? > Sometimes the photometric optimiser doesn't work so well, especially > if the geometric alignment hasn't found a good alignment first - but > this could be fixed with an extra rule in the assistant. > > -- > Bruno > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
On Thu 17-May-2012 at 03:54 -0700, David Horman wrote: On the stitcher tab, which panorama output option should I tick if I want a blended, *not* exposure corrected, low dynamic range panorama? At the moment you need to reset all photometric parameters in the Images tab, then stitch as normal. What is your objection to the exposure correction? You don't want any exposure correction, even from the EXIF data? or you don't like the values that the photometric optimisation comes up with? Sometimes the photometric optimiser doesn't work so well, especially if the geometric alignment hasn't found a good alignment first - but this could be fixed with an extra rule in the assistant. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
On Wed 16-May-2012 at 18:47 -0700, Yuv wrote: I agree with both Margaret and Jim. The current terminology reflects an inward view that has nothing to do with the level of proficiency of the user -- neither in terms of computing nor in terms of photography. It draws an arbitrary line in the sand. Why should XYZ be considered more advanced than bracketing? XYZ is still very unstable, most of the time it goes and does something weird. If you are careful you can get very good results, but this does make it 'expert' functionality. -- Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
RE: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
XYZ is in a universal language, that of experts, of mathematicians. It is the language of XYZ that allows us to situate ourselves in a spatial 3d world. Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:47:18 -0700 From: goo...@levy.ch To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:58:02 AM UTC-4, Jim Watters wrote: On 2012-05-14 7:45 PM, Margaret Wong wrote: Personally I think of the Assistant as 'beginner', and anything to do with bracketing or XYZ mosaics as 'expert', i.e. things that should be well hidden unless you go looking for them. Everything else in the GUI is relevant to tweaking stuff that happens behind the scenes of the Assistant. As a relative beginner I do bracketing and mosaics and did those nearly from day one. It took me ages to realise that an XYZ mosaic wasn't a pano in strict terms. As an Expert in shooting and stitching panoramas I would prefer to see a simple GUI unless I want to use some of advanced technique. This was why I suggested the name Simple instead of Beginner. The idea is to show as few controls that are necessary to do the most common simple stitching. If a user wants to use an advanced shooting technique, like not keep the camera rotated around the NPP then they will need the Advanced mode to stitch those images together. I agree with both Margaret and Jim. The current terminology reflects an inward view that has nothing to do with the level of proficiency of the user -- neither in terms of computing nor in terms of photography. It draws an arbitrary line in the sand. Why should XYZ be considered more advanced than bracketing? only because it requires more parameters? was added later? Added technological complexity? The current UI simplification is great from an expert perspective and I fully agree with Jim's view and support his terminology. The beginner/advanced/expert terminology is misleading. A real beginner is somebody who does not know the strict terms (to paraphrase Margaret) yet. For a beginner it does not matter whether the stitch was achieved with ypr/XYZ/morph-to-fit (BTW, good stuff, Bruno!) and whether visual uniformity was achieved with bracketing/exposure correction/blending. Without detracting from the current UI, which I find is a significant improvement, the terminology is not very helpful for beginners. What would help beginners are assistants; e.g. code that detects bracketed shooting and asks the user if they want to switch those features of the UI on (and even offers some guidance, maybe even automation); or code that detects bad geometrical alignment which could be improved with XYZ and asks the user if they want to activate that feature of the UI. The manual switch implemented now is good for experts. I repeat: the new GUI is good progress, but don't raise expectations it can't meet by giving the impression that the simple UI is for beginners. Even if the new GUI is an improvement for (almost) everybody, it adds more to experts than to beginners. Yuv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul
Hi all, There is one thing that always annoys me when I use Hugin, and it's this: http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9391/stitcher.png On the stitcher tab, which panorama output option should I tick if I want a blended, *not* exposure corrected, low dynamic range panorama? In fact I think many of these options are pretty confusing, especially to a beginner. I usually end up just using the "No exposure correction" for remapped images and blending them on the command line. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
