[hugin-ptx] Re: help with Control Point Detector Programs settings

2011-01-05 Thread kfj


On 4 Jan., 23:33, kevin ke...@bluelavalamp.net wrote:
 Ok I figured out what's going on.  I did a test with less images and
 it worked perfectly.  So then I went back to the pano I was working on
 and started removing images thinking maybe it was too many in the
 row.  I had one stack that it couldn't find any CPs, as soon as I
 removed that stack then it ran step 4 from the wiki.  It looks like
 the code exits out if not all the images are connected to at least one
 other image.  It would seem better to just go ahead and try to do step
 3 (alignment for determining overlap) and running step 4 (CP finder
 between overlapping imges) even when there is an image or stack that
 can't be paired with another image.

So you see it's not a bug but a result of the method. The wiki states
that the process will (only) proceed when all images are in one group.
Whether this is desirable depends on the situation, but I think it's
reasonable: I suppose 'overlapping' means here 'sharing control
points' - I don't think the software actually looks at the images and
how they are positioned on the panosphere and how they may overlap
there - this would be very computationally expensive (just guessing).

So you must make sure that you only have one group in the pano; if
there's an odd one out, you can just quickly add CPs manually for it
and you should be fine.

Kay

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: help with Control Point Detector Programs settings

2011-01-05 Thread Carl von Einem

kfj schrieb am 05.01.11 10:13:


On 4 Jan., 23:33, kevinke...@bluelavalamp.net  wrote:

[...]I had one stack that it couldn't find any CPs, as soon as I
removed that stack then it ran step 4 from the wiki. [...]


So you see it's not a bug but a result of the method. The wiki states
that the process will (only) proceed when all images are in one group.
Whether this is desirable depends on the situation, but I think it's
reasonable: I suppose 'overlapping' means here 'sharing control
points' - I don't think the software actually looks at the images and
how they are positioned on the panosphere and how they may overlap
there - this would be very computationally expensive (just guessing).

So you must make sure that you only have one group in the pano; if
there's an odd one out, you can just quickly add CPs manually for it
and you should be fine.


The mentioned steps in 
http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_Parameters_for_Control_Point_Detectors_dialog#Multi-row_panorama 
will most likely be done in the Images tab. There is a report in the 
Assistant tab about pictures not being connected via control points. I 
wonder if this could somehow be used to give a meaningful warning.


BTW the report in the Assistant tab  is not easily readable if a large 
number of images is involved: the only optical divider between group is 
a comma (], [), how about displaying a list like this:

- [0-2]
- [3-5,7-9]
- [6]

Carl

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: help with Control Point Detector Programs settings

2011-01-05 Thread Bruno Postle

On Wed 05-Jan-2011 at 01:13 -0800, kfj wrote:


So you see it's not a bug but a result of the method. The wiki states
that the process will (only) proceed when all images are in one group.
Whether this is desirable depends on the situation, but I think it's
reasonable: I suppose 'overlapping' means here 'sharing control
points' - I don't think the software actually looks at the images and
how they are positioned on the panosphere and how they may overlap
there - this would be very computationally expensive (just guessing).


It does check to see if photo positions overlap and uses this 
information to try and generate control points between every pair of 
photos that should have control points but don't.


..but to do this it needs some confidence that the rough layout is 
ok, for this it needs a single connected group.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: help with Control Point Detector Programs settings

2011-01-04 Thread kevin
Ok I figured out what's going on.  I did a test with less images and
it worked perfectly.  So then I went back to the pano I was working on
and started removing images thinking maybe it was too many in the
row.  I had one stack that it couldn't find any CPs, as soon as I
removed that stack then it ran step 4 from the wiki.  It looks like
the code exits out if not all the images are connected to at least one
other image.  It would seem better to just go ahead and try to do step
3 (alignment for determining overlap) and running step 4 (CP finder
between overlapping imges) even when there is an image or stack that
can't be paired with another image.

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