Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
Here's your response with formatting reset :-) El 21/11/11 22:38, Laura Vargas escribió: Dear Sascha and community members, I have to confess that I ended up proposing my name for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, when after reading the other candidacies, felt some frustration with the lack of proposals regarding the sustainability of the *Local Labs* that conform *Sugar Labs*. Here at Peru, we just wrapped up Sugar Camp Lima 2011 with the *sweetest* results; for start we have articulated a great team, who will be able to provide support for Sugar users in the Region of Puno - Peru. I believe that the Local Labs Model has the potential to strength and sustain the community, as they may be the missing link between users and developers. Best, Laura Victoria Vargas Sugar Labs Perú Sugar Labs Colombia ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
On 11/7/11 6:21 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Dear SLOB candidates, I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, is what you want to *do* during your election period. I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best interests of Sugar Labs at heart. What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be a valid answer). What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? Sascha Dear Sascha and community members, I have to confess that I ended up proposing my name for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board, when after reading the other candidacies, felt some frustration with the lack of proposals regarding the sustainability of the *Local Labs* that conform *Sugar Labs*. Here at Peru, we just wrapped up Sugar Camp Lima 2011 with the *sweetest* results; for start we have articulated a great team, who will be able to provide support for Sugar users in the Region of Puno - Peru. I believe that the Local Labs Model has the potential to strength and sustain the community, as they may be the missing link between users and developers. Best, Laura Victoria Vargas Sugar Labs Perú Sugar Labs Colombia What you want to do Good reason for you to vote ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
Am 08.11.2011 07:45, schrieb Sridhar Dhanapalan: On 8 November 2011 00:04, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same lines when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally it could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. with the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but not commenting on each other's answers and ideas). (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the community in advance. Thoughts anyone? Cheers, Christoph Considering that I'm a candidate, I don't want to interfere in the process. However, I think this is a good idea in principle. I won't be available next week (I'll be at the OSDC conference in Canberra [1]), but I'm happy to participate otherwise. Okay, seeing that we have less than a week to go until the elections and the feedback for this idea has been very limited I'm starting to wonder whether it even makes sense to dedicate any time to setting this up... Yes? No? Cancel? Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
On 8 November 2011 00:04, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Hi all, > > Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same > lines when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. > > Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and > creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: > > (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday > before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance > to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally > it could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I > fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. > with the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but > not commenting on each other's answers and ideas). > (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same > purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy > to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices > and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. > > For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google > Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the > community in advance. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Cheers, > Christoph Considering that I'm a candidate, I don't want to interfere in the process. However, I think this is a good idea in principle. I won't be available next week (I'll be at the OSDC conference in Canberra [1]), but I'm happy to participate otherwise. Sridhar [1] http://osdc.com.au/schedule/#australiastoughes ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
Am 07.11.2011 19:42, schrieb Bert Freudenberg: On 07.11.2011, at 14:04, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same lines when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally it could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. with the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but not commenting on each other's answers and ideas). (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the community in advance. Thoughts anyone? Well, I for one am much more inclined to vote for those who earned my trust previously, rather than for the "winner" of an election discussion. I'm glad people are willing to serve on the board at all, since there generally is little reward, only more work and blame. Thanks to everyone who stepped up so far! Also, the mailing list has the widest reach in the community. So if you think a debate is important, do it on the list. Mail is better than chat is better than voice for general discussions. Chat and especially voice reach only a small fraction of the community, which is good for some tasks, but hardly for this. Hi Bert, thanks a lot for your comments. I don't see the election discussion as being about any one candidate "winning" but as an opportunity for the community to get to know the candidates in more depth. Similarly to Sascha I trust all the candidates to have Sugar Labs' best interest at heart. Yet I've had significantly more opportunities to interact with some of them online or even in-person than with others. This somewhat naturally gives them an edge (at least for me) even though from an operational or visionary point of view other candidates might really be more to my liking for filling the seats - if I only knew them well enough that is. Also, IMHO discussions on IRC or via voice are easy enough to record and subsequently share with the community on this list and elsewhere. As such they're just as accessible for anyone who is interested as conversations directly happening here on the list (which incidentally is the same process we already use for logs from SLOBs-, design-, or tech-meetings happening on IRC). Cheers, Christoph - Bert - Cheers, Christoph Am 07.11.2011 12:21, schrieb Sascha Silbe: Dear SLOB candidates, I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, is what you want to *do* during your election period. I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best interests of Sugar Labs at heart. What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be a valid answer). What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? Sascha -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
On 07.11.2011, at 14:04, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Hi all, > > Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same lines > when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. > > Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and > creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: > > (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday > before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance > to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally it > could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I > fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. with > the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but not > commenting on each other's answers and ideas). > (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same > purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy > to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices > and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. > > For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google > Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the > community in advance. > > Thoughts anyone? Well, I for one am much more inclined to vote for those who earned my trust previously, rather than for the "winner" of an election discussion. I'm glad people are willing to serve on the board at all, since there generally is little reward, only more work and blame. Thanks to everyone who stepped up so far! Also, the mailing list has the widest reach in the community. So if you think a debate is important, do it on the list. Mail is better than chat is better than voice for general discussions. Chat and especially voice reach only a small fraction of the community, which is good for some tasks, but hardly for this. - Bert - > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Am 07.11.2011 12:21, schrieb Sascha Silbe: >> Dear SLOB candidates, >> >> I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well >> where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, >> is what you want to *do* during your election period. >> >> I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this >> philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances >> that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of >> long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best >> interests of Sugar Labs at heart. >> >> What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going >> to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be >> a valid answer). >> >> What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? >> >> Sascha >> > -- > Christoph Derndorfer > > editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] > volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Hi all, > > Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same > lines when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. > > Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and > creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: > > (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday > before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance > to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally > it could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I > fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. > with the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but > not commenting on each other's answers and ideas). > (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same > purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy > to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices > and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. > > For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google > Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the > community in advance. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Am 07.11.2011 12:21, schrieb Sascha Silbe: >> >> Dear SLOB candidates, >> >> I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well >> where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, >> is what you want to *do* during your election period. >> >> I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this >> philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances >> that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of >> long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best >> interests of Sugar Labs at heart. >> >> What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going >> to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be >> a valid answer). >> >> What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? >> >> Sascha >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > Christoph Derndorfer > > editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] > volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] > > e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > +1 to discussion/debate among the candidates. As a candidate, I feel somewhat conflicted in setting the campaign rules. I suggest we let the Membership committee, which runs the election, decide the details. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
Hi all, Sascha, you make an excellent point here, I was thinking along the same lines when I re-read the various candidate statements this morning. Personally I'd also be interested in taking this one step further and creating a lively debate. Two ideas I've been thinking about are: (a) An IRC discussion with all the candidates next Tuesday or Wednesday before the election starts. This would give all Sugar Labs members a chance to directly interact with the candidates by asking questions. Additionally it could lead to some interesting discussions among the candidates whereas I fear that discussions here on the list will be more unidirectional (e.g. with the candidates simply answering the questions Sascha mentions below but not commenting on each other's answers and ideas). (b) Organizing a Skype, Gtalk, or Google+ Hangout session with the same purpose. While text-based communication has some advantages (e.g. it's easy to search, reference, etc.) I personally really like hearing people's voices and real-time reactions to discussions and arguments. For all these things we could use a wiki page or even something like Google Moderator (http://moderator.appspot.com/) to collect questions from the community in advance. Thoughts anyone? Cheers, Christoph Am 07.11.2011 12:21, schrieb Sascha Silbe: Dear SLOB candidates, I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, is what you want to *do* during your election period. I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best interests of Sugar Labs at heart. What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be a valid answer). What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? Sascha ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com] volunteer, OLPC (Austria) [www.olpc.at] e-mail: christ...@derndorfer.eu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Questions to SLOB candidates
Dear SLOB candidates, I've read your announcements with interest. They all explain well where you're coming from and "who" you are. What I'm missing, however, is what you want to *do* during your election period. I'm aware that the SLOB isn't supposed to do much (and agree on this philosophy), but even within that framework there are possible nuances that could guide me as to who to vote. Right now I only see a set of long-term, active contributors, *each* of which I trust to have the best interests of Sugar Labs at heart. What do you see as current issues of Sugar Labs and what are you going to do to solve them? (For some issues, "staying out of the way" might be a valid answer). What else would you consider a good reason for me to vote you? Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
