Re: ICC problem on z890
That's exactly what you would hear from me. Well. maybe not *that* bad, but... Ever since we installed the z890 we have had console outages that have included ALL of the PCs on the private ICC network, and that have only been corrected by varying off/on the CHPID at the HMC. (We have not seen a situation where only one or more LUs were disabled, but others worked. All or nothing here). We have opened multiple hardware incidents with IBM here in Israel, and our hardware support technician has tried all sorts of changes (the OSA card, the cableing, the network switch) but every month or so it happens again. "Get IBM to fix them" is easier said than done. Luckily, our ops do have one 3270 emulator on an old 3174, which has been very helpful! Interestingly, the network has *two* OSA cards, but only the VM/VSE one with 4 terminals has caused problems. The other system, running 1 z/OS console, has never gotten stuck. Shimon On 16 Jun 2006 at 15:01, Alan Altmark wrote: > On Friday, 06/16/2006 at 02:52 AST, "Hooker, Don - OIT" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thomas, though I have not personally seen it, I?ve been told we > experienced the > > same problem here with our > > > > VSE consoles. We no longer use the ICC sessions for them. Apparently > the VM > > consoles did not suffer. > > > > I believe several people at the last WAVV mentioned having the same > problem. I > > think they said that if they varied the > > > > CHIPD offline and then online again that the consoles could recover. > > Hopefully each installation that experiences this problem opens up a > hardware PMR. If they don't work, get IBM to fix them. I don't want to > hear, 10 years from now, how "I tried the ICC 10 years ago and it didn't > work for me - I'll take an old-fashioned 3277 any day!" :-) > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott
Re: ICC problem on z890
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Alan Altmark wrote: >I don't want to > hear, 10 years from now, how "I tried the ICC 10 years ago and it didn't > work for me - I'll take an old-fashioned 3277 any day!" :-) I do wish that DISCONN without HOLD would do via ICC what it does for TELNET and ye olde dial-up and actually drop the session. Now where'd I leave that 7171?? -- R;
Re: ICC problem on z890
Thanks to all that responded. I did find a deffination error.. I had the ICC consoles defined as 'operator' it looks like they should be 'TN3270E' for everything other than z/OS MCS I'll have to fix that. Then if it happens again I will deffinatly open a PMR, but for now it just might be my error. Tom -Original Message-From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Hooker, Don - OITSent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:53 PMTo: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUSubject: Re: ICC problem on z890 Thomas, though I have not personally seen it, I've been told we experienced the same problem here with our VSE consoles. We no longer use the ICC sessions for them. Apparently the VM consoles did not suffer. I believe several people at the last WAVV mentioned having the same problem. I think they said that if they varied the CHIPD offline and then online again that the consoles could recover. << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 5112 VSE-List messages and set aside 3089 VM-List for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com
Re: ICC problem on z890
On Friday, 06/16/2006 at 02:52 AST, "Hooker, Don - OIT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas, though I have not personally seen it, I?ve been told we experienced the > same problem here with our > > VSE consoles. We no longer use the ICC sessions for them. Apparently the VM > consoles did not suffer. > > I believe several people at the last WAVV mentioned having the same problem. I > think they said that if they varied the > > CHIPD offline and then online again that the consoles could recover. Hopefully each installation that experiences this problem opens up a hardware PMR. If they don't work, get IBM to fix them. I don't want to hear, 10 years from now, how "I tried the ICC 10 years ago and it didn't work for me - I'll take an old-fashioned 3277 any day!" :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: ICC problem on z890
Thomas, though I have not personally seen it, I’ve been told we experienced the same problem here with our VSE consoles. We no longer use the ICC sessions for them. Apparently the VM consoles did not suffer. I believe several people at the last WAVV mentioned having the same problem. I think they said that if they varied the CHIPD offline and then online again that the consoles could recover.
Re: ICC problem on z890
On Thursday, 06/15/2006 at 10:51 MST, Judson West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I'm not familiar with your particular problem, I do know of a great > Redbook on the subject: SG24-6364 OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller > Implementation Guide. One of the sections that helped me was under what > circumstances you should set the OPERATOR_CONSOLE option. As it turns out, > it should only be set for z/OS MCS consoles and not for anything else. Each > of the console definition options are explained in great detail. Maybe you > are missing one, incorrectly coded one, or could take advantage of others. But if all of the settings are correct, then open a PMR. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: ICC problem on z890
While I'm not familiar with your particular problem, I do know of a great Redbook on the subject: SG24-6364 OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller Implementation Guide. One of the sections that helped me was under what circumstances you should set the OPERATOR_CONSOLE option. As it turns out, it should only be set for z/OS MCS consoles and not for anything else. Each of the console definition options are explained in great detail. Maybe you are missing one, incorrectly coded one, or could take advantage of others. - Judson West Teradata, a division of NCR Corporation From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: ICC problem on z890 Has anyone else seen this problem? What do you do when it happens? I have ICC consoles defined for my VSE system consoles. Every once in a while something will happen to cause the console to get 'lost'. I can no longer get to that LU, not from that PC or any other PC, even with different emulators. Deleting and redefining the device in VM doesn't help either. I was fortunate enough to have an additional LU I could use, but eventually I'll run out LU's. I am guessing the problem rests in the z890 chpid, but can't find anything to prove that. Any ideas? Thanks __ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed VSE-List messages and set aside VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com
ICC problem on z890
Title: ICC problem on z890 Has anyone else seen this problem? What do you do when it happens? I have ICC consoles defined for my VSE system consoles. Every once in a while something will happen to cause the console to get 'lost'. I can no longer get to that LU, not from that PC or any other PC, even with different emulators. Deleting and redefining the device in VM doesn't help either. I was fortunate enough to have an additional LU I could use, but eventually I'll run out LU's. I am guessing the problem rests in the z890 chpid, but can't find anything to prove that. Any ideas? Thanks __ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed VSE-List messages and set aside VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com
