Re: z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ...
Dennis - I shall suggest that the requirement is therefore appropriately qualified. I still wonder where DEFINE MDISK comes into the picture.
Re: z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ...
Just to round this off ... Installation completed successfully, exactly as per the manual. I now have a base-level system installed from an FTP server and upon which I shall soon install an up-to-date RSU. Note that 2nd-level userid used for installation is a Class G userid with no privs - I shall be raising RCF querying why manual says that Privclass B and DEFINE MDISK (if one is changing labels) are required. Onwards and upwards - thanks to Alan and Malcolm for their input! Jeff
Re: z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ...
Jeff, The class B requirement is there because the instructions tell you to ATTACH the DASD to the installation guest. Obviously, if you put the DASD in the directory, you don't need to issue an ATTACH command. Dennis O'Brien If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known. -- General George C. Marshall From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeff Gribbin Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 11:20 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ... Just to round this off ... Installation completed successfully, exactly as per the manual. I now have a base-level system installed from an FTP server and upon which I shall soon install an up-to-date RSU. Note that 2nd-level userid used for installation is a Class G userid with no privs - I shall be raising RCF querying why manual says that Privclass B and DEFINE MDISK (if one is changing labels) are required. Onwards and upwards - thanks to Alan and Malcolm for their input! Jeff -- This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and attachments, and be advised that any review or dissemination of, or the taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or attached to this message is prohibited. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Sender. Subject to applicable law, Sender may intercept, monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems and may produce any such EC to regulators, law enforcement, in litigation and as required by law. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. References to Sender are references to any subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation. Securities and Insurance Products: * Are Not FDIC Insured * Are Not Bank Guaranteed * May Lose Value * Are Not a Bank Deposit * Are Not a Condition to Any Banking Service or Activity * Are Not Insured by Any Federal Government Agency. Attachments that are part of this EC may have additional important disclosures and disclaimers, which you should read. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.bankofamerica.com/emaildisclaimer. By messaging with Sender you consent to the foregoing.
Re: z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ...
Jeff Gribbin writes: INSTDVD runs and happily loads up the system minidisks, exactly as per th e manual until it gets to the end of the, 'base' system load. At this poin t, it issues MSG HCPIRU8484R PLEASE PLACE THE SYSTEM RSU DVD IN THE DRIVE, THEN TYPE GO TO CONTINUE OR TYPE EXIT TO QUIT. This message is ahem 'unexpected' - the manual indicates that it should only be issued if installing from a DVD drive and it also indicates that a reply of, 'EXIT' will cause the installation NOT to complete. Hi Jeff, I've found it helpful to think of what the manual refers to as DVD Installation as Installation using the files on the DVD media. That helps me remember that what matters to the installation is the actual files rather than spinning disk whether they are fetched from the DVD in the HMC, files on a z/VM FTPSERVE, files on a local Linux guest's ftp server, files from a remote ftp server or even files put onto a local CMS minidisks and made visible at next-level (with that last one being the only one I haven't tried myself). Reviewing the manual I noted that on Page 98, in the summary box, it says that in this step I will, 'Upload the contents of the z/VM System DVD and the RSU DVD to an FTP Server directory' ... but I have found no instructi ons or procedure that actually does anything with the RSU DVD. Did you see/do the top of page 70: If installing from a: ... FTP server directory, upload the contents of both the z/VM system DVD and the RSU DVD to a new directory on the FTP server. ... Upload the contents of each DVD to the directory. After the contents of the z/VM system DVD have been uploaded, upload the contents of the RSU DVD to the same directory, overwriting any duplicate flies. That's the part that tells you the vital information that the files from the first DVD and the RSU DVD must be combined and that it's the files from the RSU DVD which can (and must) overwrite any original one shipped by the first DVD. (1) Has anyone actually installed z/VM 5.4 using an FTP Server directory? Yup, many times. -and- (2) Have you ever done it using non-offset-0 minidisks? Yup, multiple times. Shouldn't cause any problems at all. Just so long is there's enough room on the resulting minidisks to fit a whole mod-3 minus a few cylinders or whole mod-9 minus a few cylinders. I forget the exact number (there's a table in one of the manuals) but I'm pretty sure the installation lets you shave more than one cylinder from a whole mod3 or mod9--i.e. it doesn't use, need or care about the last 2-3 cyls on the volumes you give it. --Malcolm -- Malcolm Beattie Mainframe Systems and Software Business, Europe IBM UK
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Hi Malcolm, Did you see/do the top of page 70: If installing from a: ... FTP server directory, upload the contents of both the z/VM system DVD and the RSU DVD to a new directory on the FTP server. ... Upload the contents of each DVD to the directory. After the contents of the z/VM system DVD have been uploaded, upload the contents of the RSU DVD to the same directory, overwriting any duplicate flies. Oops ... missed that bit ... (Not actually a concern, as soon as the installed system will IPL the first thing to happen will be an RSU update using the latest RSU, but now content that I know what I missed re RSU-shipped-with-the-DVD's. Thanks.) However, I doubt that'll suppress the HCPIRU8484R - what am I doing that I'm getting this message during an FTP install? (2) Have you ever done it using non-offset-0 minidisks? Yup, multiple times. Shouldn't cause any problems at all. Just so long is there's enough room on the resulting minidisks to fit a whole mod-3 minus a few cylinders or whole mod-9 minus a few cylinders. I forget the exact number (there's a table in one of the manuals) but I'm pretty sure the installation lets you shave more than one cylinder from a whole mod3 or mod9--i.e. it doesn't use, need or care about the last 2-3 cyls on the volumes you give it. I know from previous experiences (and a review of the minidisk maps) that you're definitely OK with 'whole-mod-x-minus-1'. I'm nervous about the bit that is documented on Page 117 that's doing directory updates and messing with 2CF1 / CF1 and 22CC / 2CC - if this involves DEFINE MDISK commands and the process assumes that the, 'target' is at offset 0 then things aren't going to work at all well. (I'm dubious about this whole stated need for DEFINE MDISK - not at all sure that it's really a requirement - one of the things that I'm trying to discover empirically.) The fact that you've successfully installed to non-offset-zero gives me confidence and is, frankly, what I expect ... but the manual is especially unhelpful regarding this possibility. Now I'm OK regarding RSU, I reckon that my big, 'next step' is to eliminate the HCPIRU8484R - if I can get past that point then the remaining roadblocks should - with luck - be relatively minor. Thanks. Jeff
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I've dug around in the EXECs - two points come to light ...
I failed to invoke DVDPRIME with the, 'server' option ('DVDPRIME ( SERVER')
- therefore :DVDSOURCE in £PRIME£ £FILE£ was loaded with, 'DVD' rather than,
'SERVER' and consequently INSTDVD was not aware that it should skip the RSU
installation step.
So 8484 Mea Culpa.
I also noticed that there's an undocumented response to the 8484 message -
reply, 'SKIP' and it continues as if the RSU step had been completed.
I reckon that I'm back on track.
:-)
Re: z/VM 5.4 FTP Installation ... ? ...
On Friday, 06/10/2011 at 07:51 EDT, Malcolm Beattie beatt...@uk.ibm.com wrote: (2) Have you ever done it using non-offset-0 minidisks? Yup, multiple times. Shouldn't cause any problems at all. Just so long is there's enough room on the resulting minidisks to fit a whole mod-3 minus a few cylinders or whole mod-9 minus a few cylinders. I forget the exact number (there's a table in one of the manuals) but I'm pretty sure the installation lets you shave more than one cylinder from a whole mod3 or mod9--i.e. it doesn't use, need or care about the last 2-3 cyls on the volumes you give it. The system layout is explicitly designed to occupy no more than n-1 cyls. This was done to accommodate non-fullpack minidisk installation. Hmmm... this isn't made clear in the Program Directory. A simple FLASHCOPY with relocation will take care of getting it production-ready in, um, a flash. As it were. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
