Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
Beg to differ. While all messages for all monitored userids are logged to Operations Manager's log on disk, recent (for various values of recent) console activity is kept in data spaces, the size of which is specifiable. That's why, for a particularly active (console-wise) userid, one can only page back so far. Actually, that can be several days for low-console-activity userids, but may be only an hour or a few for those which really pump out messages. -- Mike Harding z/VM System Support mhard...@us.ibm.com mike.b.hard...@kp.org mikehard...@mindless.com (925) 926-3179 (w) (925) 323-2070 (c) IM: VMBearDad (AIM), mbhcpcvt (Y!) The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 07/04/2011 08:23:37 PM: From: Alan Altmark/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 07/04/2011 08:24 PM Subject: Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU On Monday, 07/04/2011 at 10:13 EDT, Lu GL Gao lu...@cn.ibm.com wrote: If we use Operation Manager on z/VM, we can supervise user's console by GOMCMD OPMGRM1 VIEWCON USER(). This console message includes historical loging messages for that user. What these messages were stored in? in spool or in storage? How can I check the space left to store these messages? They are stored on disk. Read the Log Management appendix of the Operations Manager Administration Guide. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
On Tuesday, 07/05/2011 at 12:42 EDT, Michael Harding/Oakland/IBM@IBMUS wrote: Beg to differ. While all messages for all monitored userids are logged to Operations Manager's log on disk, recent (for various values of recent) console activity is kept in data spaces, the size of which is specifiable. That's why, for a particularly active (console-wise) userid, one can only page back so far. Actually, that can be several days for low-console-activity userids, but may be only an hour or a few for those which really pump out messages. We don't really differ on this. I read stored as permanently stored. The messages are permanently[1] stored on disk, but as you say, recent messages are also kept in a data space, one for each monitored user. The amount of data in a user's private data space is controlled by DEFDSPS (default 1M). I believe all of the VIEWxxx commands get their data only from the data spaces, not the log file(s). Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott [1] Subject to your retention policy. Obviously you can't accumulate it on local disk forever!
Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
Okay, I was keying off the OP's mention of VIEWCON. -- Mike Harding z/VM System Support mhard...@us.ibm.com mike.b.hard...@kp.org mikehard...@mindless.com (925) 926-3179 (w) (925) 323-2070 (c) IM: VMBearDad (AIM), mbhcpcvt (Y!) The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 07/05/2011 10:15:29 AM: From: Alan Altmark/Endicott/IBM@IBMUS To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 07/05/2011 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU On Tuesday, 07/05/2011 at 12:42 EDT, Michael Harding/Oakland/IBM@IBMUS wrote: Beg to differ. While all messages for all monitored userids are logged to Operations Manager's log on disk, recent (for various values of recent) console activity is kept in data spaces, the size of which is specifiable. That's why, for a particularly active (console-wise) userid, one can only page back so far. Actually, that can be several days for low-console-activity userids, but may be only an hour or a few for those which really pump out messages. We don't really differ on this. I read stored as permanently stored. The messages are permanently[1] stored on disk, but as you say, recent messages are also kept in a data space, one for each monitored user. The amount of data in a user's private data space is controlled by DEFDSPS (default 1M). I believe all of the VIEWxxx commands get their data only from the data spaces, not the log file(s). Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott [1] Subject to your retention policy. Obviously you can't accumulate it on local disk forever!
Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:15:29 -0400, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: I believe all of the VIEWxxx commands get their data only from the data spaces, not the log file(s). Alan Altmark For the most part, the VIEWxxx commands only deal with data in the data space. (With the MODE(RDR) option you can even get a copy of what's in t he dataspace sent to your reader.) The one exception is VIEWLOG with the DATE(/mm/dd) option. In that case, it will always send you what's on disk, not in the data space. Tracy Dean, IBM
Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
Thank you everybody here! You make me clear on this topic. Best Regards! Gao Lu (高路) I/T Specialist Global Technology Services IBM Global Services (China) Company Limited. Address:18/F, Pangu Plaza, No.27, Central North 4th Ring Road, Chaoyang District, Beijing, 100101 地址：北京市朝阳区北四环中路27号盘古大观写字楼18层，100101 BeiJing 100027, PRC Cell Phone: 15001327619 Internet ID: lu...@cn.ibm.com Tracy Dean t...@us.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM To z/VM OperatingIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU System cc IBMVM@LISTSERV.U ARK.EDU Subject Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager 2011-07-06 01:27 Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.U ARK.EDU On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:15:29 -0400, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: I believe all of the VIEWxxx commands get their data only from the data spaces, not the log file(s). Alan Altmark For the most part, the VIEWxxx commands only deal with data in the data space. (With the MODE(RDR) option you can even get a copy of what's in t he dataspace sent to your reader.) The one exception is VIEWLOG with the DATE(/mm/dd) option. In that case, it will always send you what's on disk, not in the data space. Tracy Dean, IBM
Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
If we use Operation Manager on z/VM, we can supervise user's console by GOMCMD OPMGRM1 VIEWCON USER(). This console message includes historical loging messages for that user. What these messages were stored in? in spool or in storage? How can I check the space left to store these messages? Best Regards! Gao Lu (高路) I/T Specialist Global Technology Services IBM Global Services (China) Company Limited. Address:18/F, Pangu Plaza, No.27, Central North 4th Ring Road, Chaoyang District, Beijing, 100101 地址：北京市朝阳区北四环中路27号盘古大观写字楼18层，100101 BeiJing 100027, PRC Cell Phone: 15001327619 Internet ID: lu...@cn.ibm.com
Re: Where console message is stored using Operation Manager
On Monday, 07/04/2011 at 10:13 EDT, Lu GL Gao lu...@cn.ibm.com wrote: If we use Operation Manager on z/VM, we can supervise user's console by GOMCMD OPMGRM1 VIEWCON USER(). This console message includes historical loging messages for that user. What these messages were stored in? in spool or in storage? How can I check the space left to store these messages? They are stored on disk. Read the Log Management appendix of the Operations Manager Administration Guide. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
