RE: [IceHorses] What Gait
Could the footing have something to do with it? It's a soft gait, but I can't determine what. I think the footing might be a factor...or long feet or perhaps heavier shoes There's something about his whole rear end in picture #2 that looks twisted to me, but I think it might just be the angle of the photo - I'm not sure though. If you look at all four feet, the feet don't line up, so we're looking at the horse at an angle. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Driving and pulling logs?
On 19/04/07, wcobpony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to be able to do some chores with my new horses, such as pulling small logs up to be cut, maybe moving some fire would on a small sled. We do have a tractor but thought it would intersting to have real horse power again!! I had a POA who use to do all that for me, but he was put down two years ago at 30 years old. So I have been looking to find something that is fun on trails and might to some chores! Hi Zoe, as with any breed, some are suitable for driving, and some aren't. I know of one Icelandic who lives near me that's really really a star at it, but his owner has taken some time and attention to get him there. We just started one of our guys this past winter. He's been ground driven since he was a baby and seems to be taking to it well. I'll attach a video from this past winter. I guess now we need a cart. http://youtube.com/watch?v=WbZ5SEy9t3Ymode=relatedsearch= Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait
On 22/04/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's something about his whole rear end in picture #2 that looks twisted to me, but I think it might just be the angle of the photo - I'm not sure though. If you look at all four feet, the feet don't line up, so we're looking at the horse at an angle. Karen Thomas, NC My impression was that he was mid-turn or about to turn. Anyway, this is one guy I'd like to see in a halter class just to see what comes bubbling out. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait
I'm gonna say with janice... foxtrot? OK OK what is it already!!!? We don't know for absolutely sure, because it's only a picture, but placement of the legs can tell us a lot, and can eliminate some gaits. My guess was fox trot for the first, and canter for the second. Most on the gaitedhorse list voted for fox trot. Donna said: both foxtrots, different phases here's comparison to the same sequence of Harley's foxtrot: Photo1 not quit as animated at the icelandic, but: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/donnajbrowne/album/576460762318811414/photo/294928803178703685/11 Photo2 http://new.photos.yahoo.com/donnajbrowne/album/576460762318811414/photo/294928803178702987/5 hope the links work. Donna Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait
My guess was fox trot for the first, and canter for the second. Most on the gaitedhorse list voted for fox trot. __ I looked at those photos Karen posted a ways back with the parallel lines drawn on them...and guessed. By endurance we conquer - Earnest Shackleton
[IceHorses] My First Endurance Ride
Friday afternoon I left the house and travelled the short distance to Ride Camp in the Stillwater Mountains in Fallon, NV. I got to camp, set up my stuff and got Whisper out and walked her around. She seemed calm and interested, but not nervous or excited. We vetted in, and luckily, both vets there this weekend were familiar with gaited horses, so while she gaited and trotted for her trot out, they knew what she was doing, so I got perfect scores for my trot out. I told the vet it was my first ride, and I had not a clue what I was doing, so he took a lot of time to talk to me and tell me what to look for in my horse. The most important being EDPP which is eating, drinking, peeing and pooing. Any change from her normal, and I was to bring my horse to him. He also went over electrolying, and said it was an art as well as a science, but that the horse needed to be drinking well to start with, and the weather wasn't going to be hot, so I probably didn't need them. A husband and wife parked their rig next to mine and she was riding in the Limited Distance 30 mile ride as well. She had a lot of experience in Endurance, and while her horse was fit, she was not, so she was only doing the 30 and she said I could ride with her and she would mentor me. I explained that another newbie friend of mine was meeting me there, and that girl was a bit pokey, so we may need to ride on without her, as my goal was to get a completion in the allotted time. My friend arrived for dinner and the pre-ride meeting and met my new friend who had agreed to mentor us during the ride. I actually slept pretty well, and just felt Whisper (who was tied to the trailer as Lili told me how) a couple of times. She had eaten well, but was not drinking very much, but considering how cool it was, I was not concerned. We saw the 50 milers off at 7am, at which time I saddled up Whisper. There were only 11 LD riders, so we left at the back of the pack a little after 8am. Our plan was to walk the first mile, but all 3 horses were antsy, so we trotted out right away. If they were going to waste energy, we figured it might as well be spent going forward! After the front horses got out of sight, our horses calmed down, and Whisper's trot became more relaxed and head down. I must say, my friend, who has been a slowpoke during our training rides, kept up! We trotted mostly with a little bit of walking the first 3 or 4 miles, untill we hit a bad rocky area. This lasted for more than a mile, and when we got out of it, we had a bit of time to make up. Whisper's two trail buddies at that point hit their trot stride, which was a bit too fast for Whisper's trot, so Whisper cantered, but her canter is nice and relaxed, so I let her pick her gait, and I picked the speed. At the first water stop (about 8 miles in) Whisper didn't drink much, but it was cool, so I wasn't concerned. From this point, the trail wound up a wash thru a narrow canyon, and it was absolutely georgeous. I had my camera with me, but I was too busy riding to get my camera out. We hit a pretty good pace in the areas where we could, because the rocky areas slowed us down so much. We got into the vet check/lunch stop (the halfway point at 15 miles) after 2 hours and 45 minutes, and Whisper pulsed down to the required 60 bpm within 3 minutes! Here she drank water and pigged out on beat pulp, hay, apples and carrots. This was a mandatory 1 hour hold, and when I vetted Whisper in, she got A's on everything, but a B on gut sounds. I vetted her in before I fed her, so next time I will let her eat for 15 minutes before I vet her in. The three of us left after an hour on fresh horses. Whisper was still having to canter to keep up, but at this point, my pokey friend and her horse were hitting their groove at their fast trot. My friend realized her horse was enjoying it and I was happily surprised that I had to actually ask her to slow her trot down so Whisper didn't have to canter the whole way. We left the good dirt road for another wash down a canyon that was really narrow. At this point, Whisper hit a really nice trot and we wound our way around the rocks. At the next water stop, Whisper realized she better get a drink, and tanked up with the other 2 horses. We hit another water stop at the 25 mile point, and I realized this was the distance of most LD's, and while we still had 5 miles to go, it was pretty easy so far. It was the last 5 miles that I had to encourage Whisper at bit, but she was still ears up and seeming to enjoy herself. We didn't trot so fast by then, so Whisper hit her saddle rack which I enjoyed! We ambled down the road at this nice pace, and I was glad to see Whisper had her head up, ears up, and looking around with interest at her surroundings! We crossed the finish line at 2pm, 6 hours into our ride, but with only 5 hours on the trail. That gave us an average of 6mph for the ride. We vetted in shortly thereafter, and Whisper got A's
[IceHorses] Re: teev in sensation/Karen Thomas
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to use Webbers with endurance stirrups, you can, but let me know when you get to that point - basically, you have to turn the Webbers upside down. So, do I need to get the conversion kit first, because I love my Webbers with the endurance stirrups. You did this, can you send me pics, privately, so we don't use up group space, because I know you've sent them before. I had the hardest time with those damn stirrups at my endurance ride this weekend. The stirrup setting was never right! And it's because of the hard-use nylon, double buckle crappy stirrup leathers. Whoever invented that needs to be shot!! However, the Sensation was GREAT and my horse's back wasn't sore after 30 miles - AND it was sore from the other saddle LAST weekend! So kudos for the saddle - BOO, HISS for the stirrup set-up! Susan in NV
[IceHorses] My New Setter
As a big fan of a good gun cat, I'd like to see that tail a little styled up. Nancy, also a fan of a nice setter ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [IceHorses] My First Endurance Ride
I not only got my completion award, I came in 5th and received the heavyweight 1st place award for the LD riders! Congratulations, Susan - awesome! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] clipping
Hi...I am new to the group. My name is Kathleen. I want to make a comment that i have been reading about the importance of body clipping Icelandics ( from John Parke) and i am absolutely amazed at the difference this has made in my mare. I bought the Double KK clippers and she FLIES up the mountain like a mountain eating machine. (Of course she is in pretty good shape...but i KNOW the clipping has helped). I live in Longmont Colorado and we have had some WARM almost hot days along with our typical spring cool ones. But this is the BEST advice ( clipping) i have followed! Just wanted to share.
[IceHorses] Sensation rigging pictures
Susan, here is the picture of the rigging thingy that my local saddler made for me. Dana now makes one almost identical - I think it may be standard on new Sensations she sells now - at minimum, it is an option. Since webbers are made to slide onto a stirrup bar and this is a closed loop, you have to turn the endurance stirrups upsidedown to get it to work. Un-bolt the top of the endurance stirrups and slide the bolt through the webber loop. Then you slide the open end through the Sensation loop, and fasten the t-buckle. It works like a charm. The Sensation dealers can get you a spare stirrup attachment for about $20 I think - I've been dealing with www.kaarenjordan.com. You're invited to view these photos online at KODAK EASYSHARE Gallery! Just click on View Photos to get started. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.b3pqepyfx=0y=-315g3f If you'd like to save this album, just sign in, or if you're new to the Gallery, create a free account. Once you've signed in, you'll be able to view this album whenever you want and order Kodak prints of your favorite photos. Enjoy! Instructions: Click view photos to begin. If you're an existing member you'll be asked to sign in. If not, you can join the Gallery for free. http://www.kodakgallery.com/Register.jsp Questions? Visit http://help.kodakgallery.com. EASYSHARE Gallery Customer Service Phone: (800) 360-9098 Outside the US and Canada: (512) 651-9770 If you cannot see the links above, copy and paste the following URL directly into your browser: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.b3pqepyfx=0y=-315g3f
Re: [IceHorses] tiv what gait
On 22/04/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is tiv's fast little walk. is it a foxwalk? Janice You MUST get a video of thisit's hard to tell from a pic. Sounds like you had a great time. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] My New Setter
As a big fan of a good gun cat, I'd like to see that tail a little styled up. Ha! J.R. is about 10 years old, so I doubt his form will change. Of course, I'm sure Simon the English Setter would lose points for his less-than-perfect tail set too. :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: tiv and the paso ride
On 4/22/07 3:07 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: another pic Janice: I wish we had the lovely sandy trails your have! We have lotsa rocks. Anneliese
[IceHorses] Color opinions solicited
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.ceuni763x=0y=-sm0t22 Ok, Janice, and any other color consultants on the list, what color for Runa, the red dun? You can see Runa (red), Flekka (blue blue pinto) and Maja (faded black) in yellow and blue halters. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] pics of my first endurance ride
Here are some pics of my endurance ride. http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshareUc=p6r53nm.ckj5n9w6Uy=-wv08bfUx=0 Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: teev in sensation/Karen Thomas
However, the Sensation was GREAT and my horse's back wasn't sore after 30 miles - AND it was sore from the other saddle LAST weekend! So kudos for the saddle - BOO, HISS for the stirrup set-up! I had some pictures of the rigging my saddler and I devised on Kodak gallery, and I sent a link to the list - who knows when it will arrive though! You can now order the rigging from www.kaarenjordan.com or one of the other Sensation dealers, only about $20-25, and you can get them standard on any new saddle I believe. I'm glad the saddle worked for you. I know you must be pumped. That is a great accomplishment. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] tiv what gait
here is tiv's fast little walk. is it a foxwalk? Janice Hard to tell from the angle, but it does look like it could be a little diagonal, so maybe...?. I'm glad you had a great time. Tivar is one gorgeous horse, and it sounds like he's a fine trail horse...I'm so glad you have him. Give me a hug from Aunt Karen. :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] tiv and the paso ride
Tivar was awesome today on the ride with all paso finos. What kind of bit are you using? I am asking everyone about their bits. LOL. Happy Southwestern Trails __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: tiv and the paso ride
another pic -- yipie tie yie yo Wow. What beautiful terrain. No cactus in sight. Must be nice. You both look great. I haven't ridden in two weeks. I had the flu. Yuck. I am going on my mule ride on thurs. Should be fun. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] pics of my first endurance ride
--- susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some pics of my endurance ride. Awsome. I love how you are color coordinated. I have a picture from at least 20 years ago going up Cougar Rock. Somehow I will send it. It is in a photo. I guess I can get it on the computer somehow. I am pretty proud of that pic. LV Happy Southwestern Trails __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [IceHorses] tiv and the paso ride
It was not like a walking horse canter, it was very fast and I didnt like it much! Is there any such a thing as a walking horse canter? :) Holly and Mac could not possibly have more different canters - Holly, soft and easy and wonderfully smooth, a gait you could ride all day; Mac's is long-strided, rough and absolutely miserable to ride. Both are registered TWH, both with Midnight Sun and Merry Go Boy showing on their papers! BTW, my QH, Sundance, had a long-strided, strung-out canter when I got him, and it was pretty rough. As we worked on getting him off his forehand, his canter got much, much smoother. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation rigging pictures
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, here is the picture of the rigging thingy that my local saddler made for me. I just talked to Kaaren Jordan, and because of my weight and time in the saddle (for endrance) the free swinging stirrups will not work for me. However, she does have something I ordered that is still a hard use stirrup (distributes weight better), but eliminates the blanket type buckles I have. They will be 1 so I can use my 1 easy ride stirrups on them! So, thanks for her link! I am also interested in demoing one of the Sensation Western models when it comes out this fall! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [IceHorses] tiv and the paso ride
I wonder if his canter seemed scarey fast because when the QH went by, he is so tall and long legged, that in order to keep up Tivar had to go what felt like really fast. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation rigging pictures
So, thanks for her link! I am also interested in demoing one of the Sensation Western models when it comes out this fall! I've really enjoyed dealing with Kaaren. She's been great to brainstorm with - she's given me lots of ideas about things to try, especially for Cary. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] tiv video
Here are two videos my friend took today on our paso fino ride. The first one is in a dry lake bed. When the pasos came fast from behind I got tense, because when horses do that to stonewall he gets so excited he either takes off with them or gets freaked out and wants to jig and get ready to protect himself. So I got myself prepared, feet level in the stirrups, seated correctly, all that, and you can see in the video it was definitely anti-climactic. I don't think anything gets him very excited. In the second video I was trying to get him to do his fancy prancey walk for the camera but he only trotted, and circled around as if to tell me he wanted to not leave the other horses. i wasn't expecting his sharp turn so not very great riding! I wasnt steering really :) Lake bed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSP0CfUdRdI Tiv trot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFUHO9mu0fY janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] tiv video
On 22/04/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are two videos my friend took today on our paso fino ride. He looks like a happy camper Janice. Wanda
[IceHorses] maybe not a pony
maybe tivar is not a pony after all. This lady said today My horse always gets very weird around ponies. He acts silly, flagging his tail, blowing, in the show ring! (she does hunter jumper stuff) then she said so when I saw you unload your pony from the trailer I thought oh brother. But my horse acted like he is just another horse not a pony. Interesting haha. I think because altho he is short, he was just a little shorter than the pasos we were with and much more powerfully built. Maybe with the ponies in the show ring her horse felt they were animals he could dominate. maybe? Her horse is an arab. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation rigging pictures
today when I got off tivar at the end of the ride my saddle practically fell off. It had been unbelievably loose Lord only knows how long, and we had been trotting and even catering fast in and out trees, even one incident where I almost came off him grabbing a tree to catch my balance like an idiot, once trotting fast around a hairpin curve and lungeing up a steep hill. I couldnt believe the saddle stayed on! I think a sensation is a little more like a treed saddle when it comes to stability. Like a treed saddle will sorta stick to a sweet spot even if the girth is loose. I think it was like that. Or maybe the medi cheval pad helped? But I dont think I would need a breast collar or crupper unless I knew we were gonna be doing some really rough hill work. My girth had slipped back steadily, or forward one, so that it needed tightening and I didnt know. But anyway, it didnt slip until i jumped to the ground and pulled it with me. and even then it only slipped about four inches. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] tiv what gait
Hard to tell from the angle, but it does look like it could be a little diagonal, so maybe...?. he did one thing on the trail that was scarey, and everyone laughed so hard about it! I felt like I was about to fall and yet everyone was even laughing about it back at the trailers! Tivar was in front and started going faster, faster, and the paso behind me started really gaiting and he acted like he didnt want her to pass him and we were headed toward a big tree so I leaned left and Tivar chose to go right, so I leaned even further left, not cueing him in any way, but usually he just goes with me if I lean, so I am leaning further and further and he is going more and more the other way to avoid the tree and at the last minute I grabbed his mane with my right hand and actually caught myself from falling by reaching and grabbing the tree, then when tivar kept on a chuggin there I am ygh hanging on to the tree and everyone just started laughing like it was the funniest thing they ever saw! So its like he makes his own decisions if the rider seems unclear or anything :) One person kept saying she wished I had a picture of it :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
