[IceHorses] An Article by Liz
This is one of the articles from The Gaited Horse magazine: http://www.lizgraves.com/Horsemanship.pdf Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Radio Interviews
Here's a couple of radio interviews with: Craig Stevens: http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=2421939 and Paul Belasik: http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=2470260 These interviews will only be up for another couple of days. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
>> http://www.longridersgear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=81_121 I have seen those before, but I didn't want to attach a strip of velcor to the helmet. thank you anyway! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Cute! How much does she weigh now? Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Dennis Reis Report
A Report on Dennis Reis "No Dust" Tour Stop in Lincoln The day on Sat. was divided up into four main parts. The first session Dennis started a fresh two year old, then we watched his wife Debra play at liberty with her Arabian and ride with her sticks. After that Dennis worked with a problem horse and finally he played with his Stallion Cal and rode him bareback and bridleless. The Four main points that I took away were: 1. FORWARD MOTION IS KEY! (Move your horse out!) It is s important to get your horse going forward. I have written about this before. I have quoted Ray Hunt "you can't train a horse unless he is moving!" In the past week I have received at least a half dozen e-mails from people who have horses with a broken forward. The main problem is many people are afraid to do what it takes to get their horse moving forward because they fear it may buck. Many people say "GO" but then as soon as the horse moves they tense up and say "WHOA!" The horse gets confused and quits trying. Some people think they need spurs or to kick the horse, but these tactics usually sull up the horse and the problem gets worse. What did Dennis do to get his horses moving forward? Ask, Suggest and Encourage! Ask is to bring your life up and squeeze your legs, but only using ounces of pressure.Suggest is to raise your arm and act like you are going to spank the horse's butt. Encourage is to lightly spank the horses butt! He used a cowboy rope or his hand. Sometimes he spanked his own leg instead of the horse's butt. These are the exact same phases and cues as Hunt, Dorrance, Parelli, Anderson, Lyons, Hargis, etc. Pick your trainer! They all know you need to get your horse moving and you have to be willing to do what it takes without using force, fear, pain, or intimidation tactics. They simply call their techniques by different names. But essentially good natural horsemanship is the same across the board no matter who or what program you follow. Another way he got the horses moving forward was to have another person on the ground encourage the horse with a stick and string. This is a very effective way to get a horse moving. But the rider must remember to be a PASSENGER! Dennis did not touch the reins and even rode without anything on the head of the problem horse the first time. It is important not to direct the horse or get in his way. The goal is a willing horse moving forward with freedom and without opposition reflex. When the horse felt like it was going to buck he encouraged the horse to go faster. I am reminded of what Pat Parelli says, "if you want to be natural just do the opposite of what seems normal." Our first normal instinct is stop a horse when we feel it is going to buck. But aren't we rewarding it when we do that? Aren't we teaching it to buck by the release of the pressure? One day recently DJ was bucking in the circling game on line. Everytime he did I asked him to go faster and it wasn't long and he decided that wasn't the game he wanted to play anymore. This solved his kicking up problem when riding also. I have been experimenting the past couple of months on getting better forward motion from a couple of my horses. I have learned that the better they move forward on the circling game the better they move forward when I ride them. PERIOD! It works like a dream. Here is my general rule: If your horse trots 2-4 circles without any nagging from you, he doesn't change gaits or directions and doesn't pull on the rope he will maintain a trot when you ride. The same goes for cantering. The better you prepare you horse on the ground the easier riding will be. I PROMISE! The other day Keith was riding Ginger and he was having trouble with forward. I asked him, "How's your circling game at the trot and the canter?" He admitted that it was very poor. H! While riding I do have to use an occasional spank. I am consistent and fair with spanking and don't stop until the horse takes the desired gait. I ignored undesirable behaviors and remain persistent with gentle encouragement staying in the proper position. I either use my hand or the end of my savvy string, that is tied to the horn. I spank myself first so the horse knows it's coming. This will prevent startling your horse which could be followed by spooking or bucking. Once the horse gives the slightest effort to move forward the release must be immediate. Then reward with a generous amount of petting while the horse is moving. Petting the horses while riding will help prevent you from pulling on the reins and tensing up. Dennis did lots of petting while riding the colt and problem horse and it calmed them down nicely. 2. PASSENGER RIDING IS FOR EVERYONE! (Let go and live!) Dennis did a tremendous amount of passenger riding with the colt and problem horse, and even with his 23 year old stallion, Cal. And some of you thought the passenger lesson was a Linda Parelli thing. But all go
[IceHorses] Ride Pictures
For the last few rides (to the river, lake, and pond), the pictures and videos are here: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/03/icelandic-horse-crossing-creek-this-is.html http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/03/taking-cookie-down-to-lake.html http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/04/ride-down-to-pond.html http://youtube.com/watch?v=hR2WIpSFmeU http://youtube.com/watch?v=9wVMQgC7RrQ1 Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On 04/04/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are grand-dog sitting this week while our daughter and son-in-law are > vacationing on Maui . Cricket (half chihuahua/hald pomeranian) is making an > awfully good case for having a tiny dog in the house. This is the first > time in a very long time when we haven't had an under-six pounder scampering > about. Until Sophie fell asleep in my arms that first day we met at work...I had absolutely no intention of taking in a house dog. Grand dog...I like that Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
>>> Sophie is just back from her first grooming appointment. She's >>> tremendously tired. It's hard work, being that beautiful. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Sophie is one of the cutest pups I have ever seen - and I think all puppies are cute. We are grand-dog sitting this week while our daughter and son-in-law are vacationing on Maui . Cricket (half chihuahua/hald pomeranian) is making an awfully good case for having a tiny dog in the house. This is the first time in a very long time when we haven't had an under-six pounder scampering about. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
>i love my tipperary helmet, but can >only use in on cloudy days or indoor, as I need more shade for my >light sensitive eyes. >Raven I put a Salamander brim on mine. http://www.longridersgear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=81_121 Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1359 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 8:23 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
> Sure, I'll send pictures...but it might be more humiliating for us than > educational for the list! When I wanted to learn to harness and drive a horse, I bought several books, but one of the best and most descriptive came from the 4-H program. I think someone already wrote this, but not every horse takes to driving. I have two friends, very experienced older horsewome, who were badly hurt when their Fjord mare bolted during a clinic. The horse was well trained to both saddle and harness, but she was frightened by something. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
>> Tipperary plus sportage helmet? Is the plus the new soft visor? i love my tipperary helmet, but can only use in on cloudy days or indoor, as I need more shade for my light sensitive eyes. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
>> Maybe the Bowers: http://www.bowersfarm.com/ Do you know them? Maybe I should get one of their videos...? >> Will you get videos and pictures? I think watching the progress on this >> project will be very educational! Sure, I'll send pictures...but it might be more humiliating for us than educational for the list! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walking Horse Report
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It Doesn't Get Any Better Than This! > > Trainers' Show Hosts 886 Entries > > > > by Jeffrey Howard > > > > SHELBYVILLE, Tenn. - We're back! The National Walking > Horse Trainers' Show enjoyed its best show in recent memory > > With the previous years' industry conflict over, this year > the unity between industry groups was evident with the attitude surrounding > the show. For the first time since 1983 the USDA did not attend the show to > assist with the inspection process. Johnson addressed the condition of the > horses. "The trainers had their horses in good shape, brought the numbers > and we had a great show." Show Co-Manager Buist Carr said, "We need to > commend the trainers for how they presented their horses. This show is a > tribute to the hard work they have put in to presenting good horses." > > As for the inspection by NHSC DQPs, it couldn't have gone > much better. All in all, 851 horses were inspected and only two pre-show > violations were handed out by the DQPs. Was it really a good show with no soring? Why wasn't the USDA present? Can we really believe that they are policing themselves to a level as good or as stringent as the USDA? All that change in one year when the trainers refused to be inspected by the USDA the year before? I hate to be a cynic, but I feel like this article is just a bunch of bulls***. I'm sure the trainers are thrilled that they didn't have to undergo the scutiny of the USDA because they had their own judges. I hope someone credible outside the breed will come back and say that they were there and they really didn't have any soring this year. I pray I'm wrong in not believing the article because that would mean that the horses are not suffering. Sorry, but sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me and somehow they got the USDA not to be there so that it is business as usual. Maybe none of the USDA vets didn't want to be there after having their lives threatened last year. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Fw: [IceHorses] Driving questions
I've never used blinkers when driving the Icelandics, and have always driven them in their normal riding bridle set-up, whatever that happened to be. > > Thanks, Mic, and that confirms what my instincts tell me. > > > Karen Thomas, NC > >
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
>>> Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more > "natural" ways? Maybe the Bowers: http://www.bowersfarm.com/ > We'll start this very slowly, in the ring first. I'll start with a mature > horse (Saga, Trausti, Skjoni, Melnir or Sina most likely) who's quite used > to the trails, know how to ground drive, and who knows how to steer from > the > saddle and from the ground. Will you get videos and pictures? I think watching the progress on this project will be very educational! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT mister pea
> here is my silver pied peacock, Mister Pea. We have feral peacocks here and they always let me know when spring has sprung early in the morning. I love them and we pick up lots of feathers when the males shed them late in summer, but they are the normal peacock colors. Ann Bodega, CA
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
I very seldom used blinkers That's reassuring! >>> Just remember that even some of your most trustworthy horses under >>> saddle, don't take to driving. If the horse isn't comfortable with >>> t - don't press it That's ok. I have spares. ;) >>> probably don't want to use a martingale, I don't know that I've ever >>> seen one used in driving I just saw one while I was browsing. Again, thanks for the reassurances. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm thinking about driving again - so far that's as far as we've ever gotten, but maybe SOMEDAY... Anyway, I've been doing a little reading and I'm ready to start thinking about some details. Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more "natural" ways? Hi Karen, When I start any horse I start them without blinders. Anne
Re: [IceHorses] Cow carpet
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm > > > Very interesting, Virginia! I have a few walkway areas that might be better > with something like this. > If you try it please let me know if you like it. V
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:48:30 -0400, you wrote: >My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I >believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses >without them, and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully. I've never used blinkers when driving the Icelandics, and have always driven them in their normal riding bridle set-up, whatever that happened to be. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more > "natural" ways? This looks like a good book http://www.amazon.com/Carriage-Driving-Updated-Classic-Approach/dp/0764572997/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207336637&sr=1-2 This is one of the old standbys used by many: http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Training-Driving-Horse-Comprehensive/dp/0879802723/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b and another: http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Horse-Harness-Step-Step/dp/0851318231/ref=pd_sim_b_img_2 -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions
My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I > believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses > without them, I very seldom used blinkers >and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully. Just remember that even some of your most trustworthy horses under saddle, don't take to driving. If the horse isn't comfortable with it - don't press it > I'm also wary about using overchecks, definitely don't want to use an overcheck for any reason - they are usually against the rules at pleasure driving shows. probably don't want to use a > martingale, I don't know that I've ever seen one used in driving and I definitely don't want to use a dropped noseband. So, any > good sources? I would say you can take any good pleasure driving source and just adjust it a little to suit what you want. What you don't want to get into is famcy show driving like at the Morgan or Saddlebred shows. I haven't found pleasure driving to be a hard on the horse sport until you get into the upper levels of cross country and that only gets out of hand when people's competitve juices get flowing and they get too fast in the obstacles. I think where people get a negative idea of driving is in some of the driving classes at Morgan or Saddlebred shows where they want them all high headed and fancy. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Cow carpet
> http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm Very interesting, Virginia! I have a few walkway areas that might be better with something like this. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Driving questions
I'm thinking about driving again - so far that's as far as we've ever gotten, but maybe SOMEDAY... Anyway, I've been doing a little reading and I'm ready to start thinking about some details. Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more "natural" ways? My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses without them, and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully. I'm also wary about using overchecks, probably don't want to use a martingale, and I definitely don't want to use a dropped noseband. So, any good sources? I know that Pat Parelli is starting to show some NH ground driving and ponying, but I don't think they have any materials on driving a cart. I don't want to abandon the tack that's TRULY necessary to be safe, but I sure don't want to use overly restrictive tack if there's no valid reason I have two harnesses, but I suspect I'll have to buy a few new parts to get the fit right. I don't give a fig about "tradition" - just the safety and comfort of the horse and humans. We'll start this very slowly, in the ring first. I'll start with a mature horse (Saga, Trausti, Skjoni, Melnir or Sina most likely) who's quite used to the trails, know how to ground drive, and who knows how to steer from the saddle and from the ground. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
>>> Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus sportage helmet? No, but I'm going to order one for Cary to have as a spare. It comes in an XXL, and those are hard to find - unless you are ok with the $300+ models from Dover! Thanks for the tip. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus > sportage helmet? -- I haven't used the new one but I really like the one I have. Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
[IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet
Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus sportage helmet? Lorraine You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
>>> i know someone who had a horse die of EPM. She hates possums. But >>> honestly, seems we had more possoms and coons when we lived closer to >>> town! Now we live way out in the woods and our predators are more >>> foxes and coyotes. Seems possums and coons are found where they can >>> live in nearby woods and like to come dig thru the trash maybe? Or maybe your foxes and coyotes are killing off the raccoons and opossums. (Did I really just write "opossums" - and me a good Southern girl...?) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Ride to the Pond
> Here are some pictures from the ride to the pond > today: Is that in Fallbrook? It is so pretty. I had a great ride today. The cactus is blooming but I forgot my camera. Lorraine You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
i know someone who had a horse die of EPM. She hates possums. But honestly, seems we had more possoms and coons when we lived closer to town! Now we live way out in the woods and our predators are more foxes and coyotes. Seems possums and coons are found where they can live in nearby woods and like to come dig thru the trash maybe? janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] horse abuse
I can't believe how sleek your horses look. Mine still have their winter woolies... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
>>I'm afraid that I have a possum sleeping in my hay room at night. It occasionally leaves behind tell tale droppings and before I locked it up tight would get into the BOSS. That is not good because they are definitely an EPM carrier so now I guess I'm going to have to cover my hay in the hay room ar make the room more possum proof. AAARRRGGHHH!! -- >>Laree in NC I trap them and then take them for a drive a long, long ways a way and set them free. I don't want to take any chances with epm. Penny
[IceHorses] Re: horse abuse
HAHA i love that first pic! Teev is looking at me so soft and loving and grateful, like "i know you have came to take this thing off me, i just know it" :) But what a conniver! I took it off him and the instant i did he ran to scratch his mane on a tree, so I chased him from the tree and he ran as fast as he could to walls and started grooming him so walls would scratch his mane for him! what a con artist :) I had to put the nasty dang thing back on him! Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof Boots/Shoes Video
>>traded in some worn out Ol Macs on the 50% off exchange program. how cool is that program! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Cow carpet
This sounds like a good product: http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm V
Re: [IceHorses] Horses in Heaven
After we were through laughing, I had to forward this to my riding friend. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
> drive by shooters in the big ciies. Sorry - "big Cities" -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beautiful photo and horrid story. I have never been particularly afraid of > rattlesnakes and ride from time to time with a BLM naturalist who believes > they should be protected. I think I just changed my mind. That is a great photo and a heartbreaking story but I think we need to remember when we venture into the wild and less populated areas we are taking a chance on run-ins with wild animals. Of course, I'd rather take my chances with the wild animals in the wilderness than with the drive by shooters in the big ciies. Life is full of opportunities to get harmed but we can't sterilize our world and we can't bury ourselves in our homes to stay totally safe. Usually if we respect their space, the animals respect ours. "I pays my dues and I takes my chances" -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??
> > (This is a picture my friend took from our ally in Chicago. :) ) I'm afraid that I have a possum sleeping in my hay room at night. It occasionally leaves behind tell tale droppings and before I locked it up tight would get into the BOSS. That is not good because they are definitely an EPM carrier so now I guess I'm going to have to cover my hay in the hay room ar make the room more possum proof. AAARRRGGHHH!! -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
