Re: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
Sorry, I forgot to tel you that Torchon lace in Germany also often is used as a beginner's lace. Because lots of patterns are for thicker thread and I think the logic is quicker to get for someone who starts. I knew people in the Netherlands which start with Flandres. So in a way it doesn't matter with wich type of lace people start. I think the only important point is that THEY start with those wonderful work. more greetings Ilske from Hamburg in Germany where the chessboard-flower doesn't bloom so wonderful than last year - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I went to England for some lace courses. Learned Bucks and Beds. Torchon I learned on my own and then went several more time to England to learn Honiton. Miriam in Israel You learnt Torchon AFTER Bucks and Beds? I was firmly told I had to learn Torchon before I could attempt any other lace type as the rest are based on Torchon! Perhaps my 'lace teacher' should have said 'I do Torchon, so can show you that' rather than the bald statement above :-( Not to worry, I am still learning Torchon after 3 years - yes, I have been making lace for 3 years now gasp Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jenny Brandis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You learnt Torchon AFTER Bucks and Beds? I was firmly told I had to learn Torchon before I could attempt any other lace type as the rest are based on Torchon! In the US, it seems that torchon is generally considered a beginner's lace. This may be because some of the others Beds, Bucks, Honiton) are associated with the really fancy, old-time laces, or it may be because the few early books (70's) seemed to be mostly torchon. It's one of the few laces that's not named for a place of origin--I've heard it said the name refers to rags and it is therefore a mundane lace for household goods, not a fine lace for gowns, etc. It's also relatively easy to make your own patterns, since it can be designed on graph paper turned on point or used every other square. Unfortunately, all of this gives torchon a bad name. Many people believe one must start with torchon because beginning is all it's good for anyway. Many people look down their noses at the beginner's/mundane/easy/boring lace. Personally, I like torchon. While I love learning new lace styles, I also love the geometric designs of torchon. It's like Baroque music, very precise and orderly. Nobody will convince me that Bach is inferior to Stravinsky (different, yes, but both have their value) and nobody will convince me that torchon is inferior to Bucks. just my 2 cents, Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On May 3, 2008, at 21:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US, it seems that torchon is generally considered a beginner's lace. This may be because some of the others Beds, Bucks, Honiton) are associated with the really fancy, old-time laces, or it may be because the few early books (70's) seemed to be mostly torchon. Also, Torchon is, usually, made in coarser threads. Makes it easier to see what's happening, when everything it new and frightening and 10 pairs look like a *whole lot* :) And it does teach you just about everything you need to know, technique-wise (basic stitches, tensioning, idea of ground vs motif etc). It's a much better springboard for other laces than, say, Russian Tape (which is also, usually, made in coarse thread) would be. (Torchon) is like Baroque music, very precise and orderly. Nah; *Flanders* is like Baroque music :) Very precise, very orderly, but nothing simple about it... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That brings back memories, Tamara: Tamara's still on Flanders Her progress is just rotten And tatting in her pocket Is definitely forgotten Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nah; *Flanders* is like Baroque music :) Very precise, very orderly, but nothing simple about it... Tamara P Duvall - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On May 3, 2008, at 22:58, Noelene Lafferty wrote: That brings back memories, Tamara: Tamara's still on Flanders Her progress is just rotten And tatting in her pocket Is definitely forgotten Yeah... My Battles of Flanders were something else, no? Truly mock-heroic... All bean and pea soups with no ham bone in sight... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Angel and fellow spieders May I just say that you are an inspiration to all of us. We may not have perfect eyesight and or a bit of arthritis, but we are able-bodied. Agnes Boddington - warm and sunny Elougthon UK Angel Skubic wrote: Haha Clay... What don't I do? I do anything and everything, short of weaving when it comes to textiles/fiber. Not that I wouldn't like to weave but where would I stick a loom? My house is already so overcrowded!!! Ah to weave an oriental rug or two...or a tapestry... I spin (and I buy the fleece and wash it and card it etc) I knit, crochet, and tat. I do both cross stitch and needlepoint. I can hook rugs. (however, there is so much yet to explore in that direction) I sew and have designed my own patterns. I have designed a quilt...and that is just fiber and textiles. I also do chain mail. (and chain jewelry) I can make metal into a fabric for clothing or just make very lovely bracelets. I also make evening bags that were inspired by the Victorian chain evening bags (micro chain mail...very small links) To this and to the textiles I often will add beadwork. I have a notion to make a beaded shade for an antique lamp of mine. (with the original shade framework) Besides the textile and metal work, I also am an artist. I like to draw...have been doing it since I was 2 according to my mum. I painted with water color and acrylics in high school and beyond. I am now thinking about exploring pastels. Being handicapped I have LOTS of time on my hands. I can't stand it when my hands are idle so I craft and craft and craft some more...gifting people with bracelets, earrings, throws, socks, hats and mittens, and occasionally a large cross stitch or needle work piece to frame and hang on their walls. The hardest craft I do is lace and I took that up inspired by a picture book of antique laces. I figured...DANG... once upon a time, somewhere in the world, people made it by hand. I refused to believe the craft was totally lost and searched until I found some British sources. They had British books on British lace. I quickly embraced the Buckspoint lace and have never looked back. I STILL do all the other things as well. Yeah...I am a tad crazy but, I am never bored. Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Haa Haa Agnes, Able-bodied...my doctor may not agree with you on that one. Supposedly I am not able bodied I have nerve damage in my dominant arm and hand as well as chronic pain down my entire left side that is moving to my right as well, a badly damaged upper and lower back that is the cause of all that pain (in cahoots with those nasty malfunctioning nerves)etc, etc... However, I won't let my hands be idle. I figure the day I stop using them I will have to give up all these things I love to do so I keep rotating them so my hands can't get too used to and complain about any one craft hurting me. Never say neverkeep on lacing guys!!! Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Agnes Boddington Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:10 PM To: Angel Skubic; lace Subject: Re: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace Hi Angel and fellow spieders May I just say that you are an inspiration to all of us. We may not have perfect eyesight and or a bit of arthritis, but we are able-bodied. Agnes Boddington - warm and sunny Elougthon UK Angel Skubic wrote: Haha Clay... What don't I do? I do anything and everything, short of weaving when it comes to textiles/fiber. Not that I wouldn't like to weave but where would I stick a loom? My house is already so overcrowded!!! Ah to weave an oriental rug or two...or a tapestry... I spin (and I buy the fleece and wash it and card it etc) I knit, crochet, and tat. I do both cross stitch and needlepoint. I can hook rugs. (however, there is so much yet to explore in that direction) I sew and have designed my own patterns. I have designed a quilt...and that is just fiber and textiles. I also do chain mail. (and chain jewelry) I can make metal into a fabric for clothing or just make very lovely bracelets. I also make evening bags that were inspired by the Victorian chain evening bags (micro chain mail...very small links) To this and to the textiles I often will add beadwork. I have a notion to make a beaded shade for an antique lamp of mine. (with the original shade framework) Besides the textile and metal work, I also am an artist. I like to draw...have been doing it since I was 2 according to my mum. I painted with water color and acrylics in high school and beyond. I am now thinking about exploring pastels. Being handicapped I have LOTS of time on my hands. I can't stand it when my hands are idle so I craft and craft and craft some more...gifting people with bracelets, earrings, throws, socks, hats and mittens, and occasionally a large cross stitch or needle work piece to frame and hang on their walls. The hardest craft I do is lace and I took that up inspired by a picture book of antique laces. I figured...DANG... once upon a time, somewhere in the world, people made it by hand. I refused to believe the craft was totally lost and searched until I found some British sources. They had British books on British lace. I quickly embraced the Buckspoint lace and have never looked back. I STILL do all the other things as well. Yeah...I am a tad crazy but, I am never bored. Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: 4/25/2008 2:31 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Haha Clay... What don't I do? I do anything and everything, short of weaving when it comes to textiles/fiber. Not that I wouldn't like to weave but where would I stick a loom? My house is already so overcrowded!!! Ah to weave an oriental rug or two...or a tapestry... I spin (and I buy the fleece and wash it and card it etc) I knit, crochet, and tat. I do both cross stitch and needlepoint. I can hook rugs. (however, there is so much yet to explore in that direction) I sew and have designed my own patterns. I have designed a quilt...and that is just fiber and textiles. I also do chain mail. (and chain jewelry) I can make metal into a fabric for clothing or just make very lovely bracelets. I also make evening bags that were inspired by the Victorian chain evening bags (micro chain mail...very small links) To this and to the textiles I often will add beadwork. I have a notion to make a beaded shade for an antique lamp of mine. (with the original shade framework) Besides the textile and metal work, I also am an artist. I like to draw...have been doing it since I was 2 according to my mum. I painted with water color and acrylics in high school and beyond. I am now thinking about exploring pastels. Being handicapped I have LOTS of time on my hands. I can't stand it when my hands are idle so I craft and craft and craft some more...gifting people with bracelets, earrings, throws, socks, hats and mittens, and occasionally a large cross stitch or needle work piece to frame and hang on their walls. The hardest craft I do is lace and I took that up inspired by a picture book of antique laces. I figured...DANG... once upon a time, somewhere in the world, people made it by hand. I refused to believe the craft was totally lost and searched until I found some British sources. They had British books on British lace. I quickly embraced the Buckspoint lace and have never looked back. I STILL do all the other things as well. Yeah...I am a tad crazy but, I am never bored. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bevw Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:55 PM To: Lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace Clay wrote: I'll be curious to hear what others do in addition to their lacemaking! I had a considerable stash of weaving and spinning supplies before bobbin lace engulfed my time. I still do a bit of both, couldn't part with all the spinning wheels, so kept one (of 6) and one loom (of 6), one large box of weaving yarns (of X number...my what a lot of space left for bobbin lace stuff!), and exotic fibre to spin on a rainy day. I did keep the drop spindles which don't take up much space. However, as soothing as handspinning can be, it doesn't have the puzzle-solving appeal of making lace. And weaving was just too hard on my shoulders. I have made handspun just for lace, but the commercial threads do a much better job LOL and I'd rather knit with my handspun. So my secondary past-time is knitting. While I appreciate embroidery and other stitchery, needlework isn't for me to do, unless I'm attaching lace to a piece of fabric with a simple running stitch (for some reason I like doing that). And I'm curious to know if many others are allergic to needle and thread, like myself :S -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1393 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 8:12 AM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I did crochet, lots of knitting, every sort of embroidery working with paper, wood and other materials. Photographing started with a very simple camera a Box today I do it with a dig.camera. A long time pottery was my favorite and I would like to do so still today but than came lacemaking, no the oven looks at me with sad eyes. There was a time I made all my dreses, skirts blouses, trousers my own. Lacemaking after short time didn't mean only to make laces but also to reconstruct old patterns and a bit later to design my own laces. Than to give classes, to give lectures, to work with our lace-history group and I became very interested in identification of laces. A short time I tried to do needle lace too but the day has only 24 hours. Beside this I am very interested in literature and belong to a group which is together since ages. And mostly it's me who search via internet, find out more about the writer. And often I find books belonging in one or the other way to the one wwe read in class but have never enough time to read them all, so my list becomes longer and longer. Last but not least I am happy enough to have very near friends living not in HH what means to write letters, some still by hand and via snail-mail, to keep those friendships alive. At the moment I organise my books, fotos and lace belongings new to make space in shelves and folders. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Although no one in my family was particularly interested in crafts, I was often taking art classes as a child. I learned how to sew in junior high school, and got taken up by that for a while. When I was 14, I met someone who crocheted, and asked to learn. From there, I initially made afghans, and then got into crocheting fine doilies. Later I learned to knit, and did sweaters and the occasional afghan. But it was t o o s l o w. I dabbled in embroidery, bead embroidery and Hardanger. And a bit of punchneedle. And did some more sewing (made some suits, made the blouse for my wedding dress (the skirt was an antique Victorian petticoat with hand-worked eyelet around the bottom). Oh, and I did some photography. Then I found weaving! Whee! So much faster. And I got sucked into learning more about weave structures and color. Tried spinning and tatting. Then I had back surgery. Knew I wasn't going to be able to weave for a while, and had seen someone making bobbinlace at the local weavers' guild, and knowing it was also weaving, merrily ordered a pillow, some bobbins, some thread and the Torchon Lace Workbook by Bridget Cook. Darn cool stuff, and I met a group of lacemakers. Even more fun! Since then, I dove headlong into complex weave structures and complex bobbin laces. I have dabbled in beadweaving, beaded jewelry, jewelry metalworking, knitting lace, knitting socks, machine knitting, more photography, Rozashi embroidery, cross stitch, more punchneedle, Kumihimo, and heaven only knows what else. Right now, I'm doing some beadwork and crocheting in fine silver. If I could ever focus on one thing, I'd probably get really good at it. But I keep on finding interesting things to try. Of course, that often means trying new laces, too. Who can resist? Now all I have to do is retire from my paying job (I don't care for getting older, except for heading towards that goal!), and I'll have time to do all of these fascinating things! Nah, probably not even then. But I will be having fun! Clare Milford, CT - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clay wrote: I'll be curious to hear what others do in addition to their lacemaking! I had a considerable stash of weaving and spinning supplies before bobbin lace engulfed my time. I still do a bit of both, couldn't part with all the spinning wheels, so kept one (of 6) and one loom (of 6), one large box of weaving yarns (of X number...my what a lot of space left for bobbin lace stuff!), and exotic fibre to spin on a rainy day. I did keep the drop spindles which don't take up much space. However, as soothing as handspinning can be, it doesn't have the puzzle-solving appeal of making lace. And weaving was just too hard on my shoulders. I have made handspun just for lace, but the commercial threads do a much better job LOL and I'd rather knit with my handspun. So my secondary past-time is knitting. While I appreciate embroidery and other stitchery, needlework isn't for me to do, unless I'm attaching lace to a piece of fabric with a simple running stitch (for some reason I like doing that). And I'm curious to know if many others are allergic to needle and thread, like myself :S -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bev et al, It is hard to remember what happened before BL ... But - I used to do fine embroidery, Hardanger and blackwork, as well as crochet and tatting, but although I still take embroidery or crochet on shorter holidays, as they are a lot more portable, I still take lace pillow(s) on the long summer holidays.If friends and relations have babies, I also crochet pram sets, cot sets, and matinee jackets. I don't knit, as it doesn't seem to grow quickly enough (this from one who loves Bucks point!) but crochet grows amazingly quickly, so I still find that really enjoyable. But the bobbin lace is now my first love - it seems easy to become a fully-paid-up, addicted lacemaker, and long may it continue. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace Clay wrote: I'll be curious to hear what others do in addition to their lacemaking! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For years I was a tatter with shuttle, thread and hook. I made quite lovely pieces All copied from a book. But then one day I came across A bobbin lacy braid. I tried the skill and caught the bug And was thrilled with what I made. So now I practice both the crafts, And each one has its place. The bobbin lace on pillow large Sits in my special place Where I can sit and lace away In quiet and solitude And concentrate on what I do All in a peaceful mood. But tatting's always with me I'd never venture out Without my bag of tatting Of that I have no doubt. It's there whenever waiting Would mean some time to spare. It's there to pick up any time And add to lace that's there. And yet from both these types of lace The end result's the same - Some piece of work so beautiful No matter what the name. -- Written a couple of years ago now, but it explains what I did BL Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clay wrote: I'll be curious to hear what others do in addition to their lacemaking! Did more quilting and embroidery. Still do both. Guess the only thing I dropped was crocheting lace. Still have the wide edging for a table cloth only half finished. Beth McCasland in the suburbs of New Orleans, Louisiana where it's a beautiful sunny spring da - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What did I do before bobbin lacemaking - a lot more housework, the dust only gets to a certain height or so I have been told. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
