> RE: [lace-chat] Re: Archaic Saying
What a treat to get 2 digests in one day. But my take on the Archaic Saying is that the "M" sound of muddy is intended (working toward "mother") -- just a little surprised that we are talking about "pitch" instead of "fish" as that would seem to supply the invective not suitable for the ears of Gentle Spiders or mouths of staunch Presbyterians. Another way was to reverse (or almost) syllables; "matko boska!" (oh, Mother of God!), became "batko moska". Susan Webster in Ohio where its a lot colder than we expect for spring. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Re: Archaic Saying
Remove the ruddy and put in bloody. 'Bloody son of a bitch'. I used to use the word 'bloody' a lot as a child. My great grandfather used it a lot and I picked it up from him. I was told it was NOT a nice word and was not allowed to say it in the context I was using it. (Bloody dog, bloody cat, bloody whatever) It is a British swear word. (my greatgrandfather was half Irish and half English) the other word I was not allowed to use was 'bugger'. (I also got that one from my great grandfather) Never hear that from anyone until I started watching British shows. I am amazed how much both the terms 'bloody' and 'bugger' were used in the Harry Potter movies (by Harry's best friend Ron especially.) I am now fairly certain I know what they mean. Most Americans watching the show don't have a clue that Ron swears up a storm for a young boy. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of H. Muth Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:21 PM To: Chat Arachne Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Re: Archaic Saying Hello all, I agree with Tamara about the first part of the saying and think that the second must be "ruddy son of a bitch!" I've never known how 'ruddy' is an insult. I don't use any of these myself (in general, don't swear at all) but have heard them all at one time or another. Heather Abbotsford, BC A beautiful spring day. At 01:56 AM 06/04/2007 -0400, Tamara P Duvall wrote: >On Apr 6, 2007, at 0:57, David in Ballarat wrote: >>An elderly man told of how his grandfather, a staunch Presbyterian who >>never swore in his life, had a saying which he used when the occasion >>demanded. You have to use the appropriate intonation to get the full >>effect, but he would curse in his loudest voice: " Cheese & rice, a muddy >>bucket of pitch" > >Never heard this particular "curse" but, based on what I know -- in >general -- about curses, euphemisms, etc, I'd stake my linguistic >reputation on the first part (cheese & rice) being a substitute for >"Jesus Christ". To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Archaic Saying
Dear Spiders, Well now, I suppose that's plausible. As I understand it, "ruddy" is a reworking of "bloody." For example, Gilbert & Sullivan's "Ruddigore" was a play on "Bloody Gore." "Bloody" was considered to be (and I believe still is) a rather rude adjectival epithet. "Ruddy" becomes a somewhat more polite version. Of course, "ruddy" is "red-coloured," thus the association with blood. Thurlow Lancaster OH where it is now snowing somewhat heavily on the blooming tulips, jonquils, lilacs, dogwoods, and so forth, and we are looking at several more nights well below freezing. We want Spring back! H. Muth wrote: Hello all, I agree with Tamara about the first part of the saying and think that the second must be "ruddy son of a bitch!" I've never known how 'ruddy' is an insult. I don't use any of these myself (in general, don't swear at all) but have heard them all at one time or another. Heather Abbotsford, BC A beautiful spring day. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Archaic Saying
Hello all, I agree with Tamara about the first part of the saying and think that the second must be "ruddy son of a bitch!" I've never known how 'ruddy' is an insult. I don't use any of these myself (in general, don't swear at all) but have heard them all at one time or another. Heather Abbotsford, BC A beautiful spring day. At 01:56 AM 06/04/2007 -0400, Tamara P Duvall wrote: On Apr 6, 2007, at 0:57, David in Ballarat wrote: An elderly man told of how his grandfather, a staunch Presbyterian who never swore in his life, had a saying which he used when the occasion demanded. You have to use the appropriate intonation to get the full effect, but he would curse in his loudest voice: " Cheese & rice, a muddy bucket of pitch" Never heard this particular "curse" but, based on what I know -- in general -- about curses, euphemisms, etc, I'd stake my linguistic reputation on the first part (cheese & rice) being a substitute for "Jesus Christ". To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
