L&I Thursday Jokes
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The Top 15 Movie Quotes We'd Like to See (Part I) 15> "Wait. Why don't we look for a campground that isn't plagued by a homicidal maniac?" 14> "Oh come on Clarisse, just a nibble?" 13> "That's great, Will. Now solve *this* equation: How many times does a toilet have to back up before the whole damn math building stinks?" 12> "The truth? You can't handle the truth -- You're a freakin' Scientologist!" 11> "Since there's ten of us surrounding Mr. Van Damme, let's attack him one at a time... it just makes sense." 10> "Dad, can I borrow the Death Star tonight?" 9> "Okay Jack, I will. But only because we're probably gonna be dead in an hour." 8> "He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel fear, or pain, or remorse. And until he is found guilty of *something*, there's no stopping the Clintonator!" 7> "The name's Jeremy... Ron Jeremy." 6> "Mrs. Robinson, promise me you'll never discuss this with the Independent Counsel." 5> "You know, Sally, rather than waste that talent in a deli, why don't we open a phone sex line?" 4> "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that without MS PodBay 2.1." 3> "Wardrobe! See if you can find Ms. Stone some panties." 2> "Thelma, I think we missed our turn." and the Number 1 Movie Quote We'd Like to See... 1> "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendsh... Hey!! Get your hand off my ass!" -- Two carrots were walking down the road when a huge truck slammed into one of them. An ambulance was called and they rushed the little fellow off to the hospital where he immediately went into hours of surgery. Finally the doctor emerged and approached the other carrot who had been anxiously awaiting in the waiting room. "Tell me" said the carrot, "how is he?" The doctor replied, "He's going to live, but he'll be a vegetable for the rest of his life." -- Top 47 Oxymorons --- 47. Act naturally 46. Found missing 45. Resident alien 44. Advanced BASIC 43. Genuine imitation 42. Airline Food 41. Good grief 40. Same difference 39. Almost exactly 38. Government organization 37. Sanitary landfill 36. Alone together 35. Legally drunk 34. Silent scream 33. American history 32. Living dead 31. Small crowd 30. Business ethics 29. Soft rock 28. Butt Head 27. Military Intelligence 26. Software documentation 25. New York culture 24. New classic 23. Sweet sorrow 22. Childproof 21. "Now, then ..." 20. Synthetic natural gas 19. Passive aggression 18. Taped live 17. Clearly misunderstood 16. Peace force 15. Extinct Life 14. Temporary tax increase 13. Computer jock 12. Plastic glasses 11. Terribly pleased 10. Computer security 09. Political science 08. Tight slacks 07. Definite maybe 06. Pretty ugly 05. Twelve-ounce pound cake 04. Diet ice cream 03. Working vacation 02. Exact estimate And the Number one top OXY-Moron 01. Microsoft Works --- You Always Remember Your First! I remember my first ISP. You always remember your first. Halcyon.com in Seattle. So quick, so light, so ... responsive. She was never too busy for me. It felt almost wrong, we were both so young. But how can love be wrong? It was a magical time. Then we were ripped apart. I moved to Boulder, for a job. How many relationships have been ruined by money? We tried to pretend at first, we told each other that nothing would change, it would just be a long distance relationship. But I couldn't afford the phone bills, and there was the time zone difference. So we had to face reality, and parted ways. I soon discovered that I can't bear to be alone. There was an emptiness in my life. I tried reading the Halcyon newsgroups from work, but of course I was blocked. Probably best, it was an unhealthy thing to do. What was next, fly to Seattle and stand outside the POP, in the rain? I searched the yellow pages, hoping I could find a relationship that way. But I was fearful. What if long distance got in the way again? Then I found what I thought I needed. Netcom. They were everywhere! I could travel, or change jobs, and never be without my provider. And they wanted me. They told me so, right on the phone. It was a relief, but looking back I'm sure it was a rebound relationship. And I kept getting mixed signals from Netcom, busy signals. She said she wanted me, but at the same time she implied that she wouldn't be creating any new shell accounts. But a shell account was the foundation of our relationship. I felt insecure, I couldn't be sure sh
L&I Any ideas or help would be appreciated
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Everyone: Dr. L. and I have been working on something and would appreciate any help or ideas anyone might have. First off I will repost the orginal story so you will know what I am talking about :) A law that makes it a felony for one parent to beat another does not apply to the beating of a pregnant woman by the father of the fetus, a state appeals court said. The ruling disappointed Riverside County prosecutors, who are discussing whether to appeal the case to the state Supreme Court, said Deputy District Attorney Colleen Mass. "Other rulings have given broad interpretations to the laws about spousal abuse," Mass said. The ruling by the 4th District Court of Appeals stems from the prosecution of Branson S. Ward, who was charged with assaulting Thea Airrington, his former girlfriend, in her Riverside apartment in March 1996. Airrington, who broke up with Ward the previous month, was 3 1/2 months pregnant at the time of the attack. Ward grabbed her arms, pushed her down, grabbed her by the hair and slammed her head into a closet door, slapped her and squeezed her neck, the court said. Prosecutors said the two still were seeing each other, though not living together. Ward was convicted of two felonies, aggravated assault and battery on the mother of his child, and sentenced to six years in prison. The sentence was double the usual term because Ward had a previous violent felony conviction and was covered by the three-strikes law. As drafted, the law used to prosecute Ward imposed felony penalties of up to four years in prison for beatings that would normally be misdemeanors, punishable by up to a year in jail, if the victim was the attacker's spouse of cohabitant. It was expanded in 1988 to include the beating of "the mother or father of (the attacker's) child." That amendment was used it the prosecution of Ward. Superior Court Judge W. Charles Morgan ruled that the parental violence law covered the beating of a pregnant woman. The appeals court, in overturning his ruling, said the law defines "mother" in a way that makes "the birth of a child...an essential prerequisite." The same law does not define "child" but other laws, prohibiting child abuse and neglect, have been interpreted to apply only to children after birth, said Justice Art McKinster in the 3-0 ruling. Mass, though, said murder statutes have provisions that allow someone to be charged in the death of a fetus. McKinster also rejected the state's argument that the law was intended to apply to all types of domestic violence, and said it was up to the Legislature to make that change. The attorney general's office may propose such a change, although it has not ruled out an appeal, said Deputy Attorney General Lilia Garcia, the state's lawyer. "We believe that a family relationship between the expectant mother and the batterer continues during the pregnancy, and she should be entitled to protection," Garcia said. Despite the ruling, Ward's prison sentence will not be reduced because it was legally based on the assault conviction, Garcia said. Diane Nicoles, Ward's lawyer, could not be reached for comment. Now here is what we are working on. I found a state law which may overturn this. It is: CALIFORNIA CODES CIVIL CODE SECTION 43-53 43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to his personal relations. 43.1. A child conceived, but not yet born, is deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of the child's subsequent birth. Dr. L. and I would appreciate anything that anyone can contribute to our little project. We also have the court ruling if anyone would like to see it. Thanks Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice does prevail..
Robert Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: hi kathy welcome to the law list.i'm sure your going to love it here we have a great bunch of members who are always willing to help.it must be nice to hear from the police after so long about your things.most people after that long never do hear anything at all. bob,wa Kathy wrote: > "Kathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hello to all on the list.. > I am a new member here and really enjoy reading all the news of the cases I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-26 20:05:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << He managed to get it changed to 665 1/2 to save himself and Nancy from the Great Satan. (I thought that was me ) Spooky >> Move over, Steve. Didn't we establish that Satan is a woman? Get off my throne, buddy! Cec Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I COTD: Pennsylvania Unsolved murders
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-26 18:08:59 EST, you write: << On the afternoon of June 15, authorities released a sketch of a longhaired suspect seen near the Ritter homicide scene, but none of the resultant tips proved fruitful. When the murder series ended, as mysteriously as it had begun, police could only speculate about the strangler's identity and whereabouts. Unless deceased or jailed on unrelated charges, he is still at large today. >> The "longhaired" caught my eye. We have a trio of unsolved rapes in the area, and the only victim who can describe the assailant describes a white male with long fair hair worn in a pony tail. We are not that far from the PA scene Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Serial Killers
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HI Terry and Jackie :) As I said before I am by far not a expert on SK's I do know a bit about them though, and tend to keep updated on them. Terry I firmly believe Lucas was a SK, I'm not sure what your reading saying it was a hoax, but due to the fact he told police where to find the bodies of some of his victims, and they did find the victims, that's pretty convincing evidence to me. If you would like some links to information about him let me know. The extra Chromosome as you are discussing below may be a key into the cause of SK's, it's just not known yet. It would be nice if we could find out what causes it, and hopefully they can pin down some definite medical reasons. Concerning Hoffman I agree he is not a SK, more of a exterminator out for revenge is what it looks like to me, a SK has a very specific profile, in that it's rare they will know their victims, and they get sexual gratification from the torture of their victims. Revenge at a victim is not something in the psych of a SK, now sometimes there is someone who the victims will represent, mother or grandmother, and that is how they will pick their victims. Talking of SK's we were supposed to have a trail here in VA Bch of a local SK, but today the Judge granted a change of venue due to publicity, so I won't be able to attend that trial and report on it in person. It was pretty much expected the change of venue would be granted. I posted a separate message about the case :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Jackie, > > Yes and the psychiatrist did much more than that. He found a clinic > actively teaching about and treating the disorder. Many feel the extra -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: Update Ruthann Aron trial
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-26 19:21:28 EST, you write: << Highly entertaining end of the trial today! I will elaborate more in the summary :) >> Now that's tantalizing! Tell! Tell! The Aron jury left for the evening without a decision. The judge is apparently trying to cajole them into trying rather than coming in hung. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I A Word From the Leftwing of The Vast Rightwing Conspiracy
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry Having more laws doesn't make for enlightenment I see . Of course we don't have all the diversity etc that NY has so guess we don't need all those laws. jackief [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >I guess I am lucky--most of the cities I have lived in have excellent > >ordinances that are upheld. I am under the assumption (hope I am right) > that >MN has a law statewise, but I could be wrong. Will have to check that > out. I >know where I work we have a number of homosexuals and lesbians > working there >and they don't seem to have any problems at all. Sorry your > area is more enlightened. > > > >jackief > > Surely you jest. I live in NY. New York has more laws than anybody. A > local Italian restaurant is regularly fined for hiring Italians - in Rome yet. > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I I'm bewildered! I'm Shocked! In reality I'm fed up with the BS
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue LOL How about a percentage of what I get?? jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi Jackie: > > Being your expert witness, it is my opinion that Ed would have a > lawsuit. You too since you both have suffered irreparable harm and > agony. LOL I base this all on my newfound knowledge. :) > > Now can we talk about my fee? > > Sue > > Hi Sue > > > > Was this spread (no pun intended) before or after the traumatic event in the > > hotel room that caused her to suffer sexual aversion?? I am assuming > > after--she probably wouldn't be noticed by Playbody until she was a celebrity > > of some sort > > > > As long as everyone is jumping on this bandwagon, I wonder if Ed can sue?? > > After I found out that I was overlooked (remember you are my expert witness > > Sue) my trauma has been so great that I have developed an aversion to sex and > > Ed is now suffering from deep emotional trauma from the loss . We > > could really rake in the dollars, don't you think : ) > > > > jackief > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: Polygraph Testing/Jackie, Sue
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Dr. L Sue would know more than me about sodium penothol. I only know from experience the effects of the stuff. Yep, Sue, some people do say some weird things. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi Dr. L.: > > Sodium Penothol is a ultra-short acting barbiturate which induces > sleep. Other than that I have no idea what it would be used for, but > have seen in movies that it is used as a truth serum. Don't know if > that is true or not. :) > > I have seen people get quite talkative when coming out of it, but I > don't know if they were telling the truth or not. And I have heard > things that patients have said that I am sure they wouldn't want their > spouse to hear. LOL > > Sue > > > > Jackie, Sue - hi - a question: what is the deal with so-called "truth > > serum?" Is that sodium pentathol? Not sure. But isn't there an injection > > (usually) that so relaxes a person that the tongue goes wag wag wag? > > Waiting to be enlightened... :) LDMF. > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Another Woman-Clinton
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue I just can't help but wonder if Congress stays in tune with the public at all sometimes. Now they have allocated more money for this mess. I just shake my head. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi Jackie: > > I don't think that it is just the younger people who don't care about > the situation. If you listen to the shows such as Politically > Incorrect, the "older" generation really isn't that concerned about the > sexual part of this anymore either. > > Actually I think that most figure that it is such a mess that the truth > will never come out, so why not just forget about it and get on with the > work of the government. Or they figure what went on with the Presidents > sex life is of no concern to them anyway. > > Somehow the whole core of the issue, whatever that was, has gotten lost > in all the different stories and accusations that are flying around. > > Anyway that is how I see people talking about it. Ron told me that > there are few if any of the staff at the school that are even interested > in the whole thing. > > Sue > > Hi Bill > > > > I think you have really hit on one important thing that many forget when we > > hear each person's story of what occurred. Usually, it is not an either/or > > thing, but the truth lies somewhere in-between. I guess what I mean here is > > that it is not either she is telling the whole truth or he is telling the > > whole truth. In reality, we act and believe our perceptions of the > > situation, not necessarily the reality of the whole situation. How's that > > for a muddy explanation?? > > > > But what has me baffled is the lack of interest by the younger generation in > > what is occurring with this mess. Some of them do not even know what is > > happening and even if they are aware of the "mess" have no concern about how > > it affects the political process, our international relations, etc. I know I > > can't generalize to the majority of young people in our society from my > > experiences with the younger generation at this school, but I see hundreds > > everyday, not just one or two. > > > > jackief > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jim McDougal
Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue I think the commentators have point out an important reason why. Clinton has been put in the same category as a celebrity and we don't expect as much in morality from celebrities, they suggested. The other thing they mentioned that Hillary has helped him tremendously by staunching defending him. They felt that many then felt if she could forgive him, why not the rest of us if he had done those things. Something to think about I would think. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi Jackie: > > But you know what...right now it seems that it is the women who are > behind Clinton. I bet if the same situation was going on only it was > Hillary in Clintons position, everyone of these same women would be > yelling to have her ousted. You think? > > Sue > > Hi Sue > > > > You bring up a good point about the reversal if it were Hillary. The reaction >might be even more 'down and dirty,' > > though > > > > jackief > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I SK trial in Virginia
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi all :) This is a local SK case here in Hampton Roads, I had planned on trying to attend the trial, today though it was announced the Judge granted a change of Venue due to the publicity around this case, so I will not be able to attend the trial in person. Here is a case summary of this case, it may seem familiar to some of you, I did a profile on this case back in Houston, before they had arressted anyone for the murders. Elton Jackson, charged with the 1996 strangulation death of Andrew D. ``Andre'' Smith, has been linked through newly released court documents and DNA evidence to at least six of a dozen men thought to be the victims of a serial killer in Hampton Roads. Jackson, the prime suspect in the murders, which stretch back to 1987, had previously been linked to at least four victims. Evidence released this month reveals that he was acquainted with two additional victims. In fact, Jackson was investigated as a suspect as early as 1994, after the body of a ninth victim was found dumped in a deserted roadway, according to these court documents. Suffolk police questioned him four times that year. Jackson, 42, is scheduled to stand trial on April 21 in the murder of Smith, who is thought to be the most recent victim of the serial killer. DNA evidence shows that Jackson's semen was in Smith's body when it was found and that Smith's DNA was on cigarettes found in Jackson's car, according to court documents. Jackson, through his attorneys, has denied killing Andrew Smith or being the Hampton Roads serial killer. He remains in the Portsmouth jail in lieu of $1 million bond. Since Jackson's arrest in May last year, detectives on a regional task force have been trying to connect Jackson with other victims, according to court documents. According to The Virginian-Pilot's analysis of those documents and interviews with witnesses, there are links between Jackson and five other victims: Jesse James Spencer Jr., 30, whose nude body was found in a ditch off Jolliff Road in the Western Branch section on Jan. 27, 1996. In an interview last week, a woman who worked at a convenience store with Jackson said she last saw Spencer getting into Jackson's vehicle the night before his body was found. Another court witness has said Jackson and Spencer knew each other. Garland L. Taylor Jr., a 24-year-old Portsmouth brickmason whose body was found in a Suffolk ditch on Sept. 17, 1994. Jackson told Suffolk police that he saw Garland two weeks before his death and that he had known him three or four years. Robert A. Neal, 24, a Portsmouth resident who was found dead in a remote section of Chesapeake on Sept. 8, 1993. Jackson told Suffolk police in 1994 that he used to play tennis with Neal and that he let him stay at his house for a short while. Reginald Joyner, 32, who was found March 7, 1993, near Greenwood and Holy Neck roads in Suffolk. DNA taken from blood and semen on the bedding in Jackson's Portsmouth home match Joyner's DNA. Charles F. ``Chuckie'' Smith, 18, of Ocean View, Norfolk, who was found slain in a remote section of Chesapeake on July 17, 1987, and may have been the serial killer's first victim. Two inmates said that Jackson had known Smith. One said Jackson and Smith had a sexual relationship, and the other said Smith was with Jackson the night he disappeared. The murder cases share other similarities. Many of the victims were known to be homosexual or bisexual, and some prostituted for drugs. Their lifestyles, and Jackson's, tended to revolve around late-night clubs and hangouts in the downtown and Ocean View areas of Norfolk, and the Truxtun area of Portsmouth. At least 10 of the 12 victims were strangled. Two were too badly decomposed when found to determine the cause of death. All but one were found nude. Gloria Gaylord, who used to work with Jackson at a Quick Shop convenience store on Portsmouth Boulevard, may also testify during the trial. Jackson has told police that he met Andrew Smith at the store, which is a short distance from Jackson's home. Gaylord also saw Jackson with one of the other victims. In an interview last week, Gaylord said she may have been one of the last people to see Spencer alive. Spencer is considered to be the 11th victim of the serial killer. On Friday, Jan. 26, 1996 -- one day before Spencer's body was found -- Gaylord saw him get into Jackson's vehicle outside her home on 34th Street in Norfolk. She had given Spencer, her friend and neighbor, money for beer. The last she knew, he was going on a date with Jackson. `That Friday night, Jesse came up and we were talking. (Spencer) said: `I got a date for tonight,' '' said Gaylord. She said she knew that Jackson had gone out with a lot of men and that he often met them at the Quick Shop. ``He had a lot of people come by,'' she said. On Sunday, Jan. 28, 1996, Detective Cecil Whitehurst of the Chesapeake Police Department knocked on her door. Whitehurst, a mem
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Seriously though there isn't any way to prove one way or the other if >Hillary knew what was going on, unless she talked to someone about it. >>>We'll have to go find her hair dresser, they always know everything. I have always had a soft spot for Regan, I guess I felt sorry for him whenever Mrs. Thature got pissed, wow she was an amazing woman, Sometimes I really miss her she was the only one that actually knew what she was talking about and she commanded respect, especially in Europe, the people (looses possible use of the word), we have in know couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery. (sorry for the language). We have no real statesmen in our government, just look at the treaty that was signed today France, Germany & Russia it was called a European pact and Britain who is the European Parliaments Presidency had no part in it. Steve (finished ranting). P.S Any news on the Woodward case? He managed to get it changed to 665 1/2 to save himself and Nancy from the Great Satan. (I thought that was me ) Spooky Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Senator proposes child-gun bill
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Looks like California is a head of the federal government. We already have such a law. :) And it is working. :))) Sue WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) _ In response to a schoolyard attack in Arkansas by heavily armed 11- and 13-year-old kids, Sen. Dick Durbin, D- Ill., says (Thursday) he will introduce legislation that would punish adults who fail to properly store firearms away from children. The boys, accused of killing four female students and a teacher, and shooting 11 others, apparently took the weapons from their own homes. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: Sounds like good old political talking to me. LOL Seriously though there isn't any way to prove one way or the other if Hillary knew what was going on, unless she talked to someone about it. Sue > > Someone will have to refresh my age-debilitated memory for a name but > Reagan's onetime Budget Director, the fellow Reagan took to the woodshed for > spilling the beans, wrote a fascinating book about Reagan. He was worried > about the budget deficit and made an appointment with Reagan. The > conversation went this way. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: I am worried about the budge deficit. > > REAGAN: I am too. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: Our defense expenditures are rising rapidly. > > REAGAN: We need a strong defense. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: And we are cutting taxes. > > REAGAN: That's good. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: And our deficit is getting worse. > > REAGAN: I am against deficits. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: But then you see our defense costs are going up. > > REAGAN: I have always been for a strong defense. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: And our tax revenues are declining. > > REAGAN: That's good. > > BUDGET DIRECTOR: But our budget deficit... > > REAGAN: I have always been against deficits. > > Yeah, Sue, Reagan is believable when he says he didn't know what was going > on. He never did. The only time he really got upset was when he found the > number of his new address was 666. He managed to get it changed to 665 1/2 > to save himself and Nancy from the Great Satan. > Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: Update Ruthann Aron trial
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Uh oh not a good sign. BTW wait till you see what happened today in the Massacre trial. I was completely flabbergasted! To put it easily you know how people who don't watch court trials tend to think court is like Perry Mason, yet reality is much different? Well today this case WAS like Perry mason! Rico found out he wasn't as smart as he thought he was LOL He did keep from blurting out a confession though I wasn't going to be surprised if he did that after everything else that happened today! Highly entertaining end of the trial today! I will elaborate more in the summary :) DocCec wrote: > > DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Jury's been out two days, and has said at least once that they don't think > they can reacy a unanimous verdict. > Doc > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >How can anyone prove that Reagan knew what was going on >during Iran/Contra. Common sense says that he did, but how >can one proveit. Someone will have to refresh my age-debilitated memory for a name but Reagan's onetime Budget Director, the fellow Reagan took to the woodshed for spilling the beans, wrote a fascinating book about Reagan. He was worried about the budget deficit and made an appointment with Reagan. The conversation went this way. BUDGET DIRECTOR: I am worried about the budge deficit. REAGAN: I am too. BUDGET DIRECTOR: Our defense expenditures are rising rapidly. REAGAN: We need a strong defense. BUDGET DIRECTOR: And we are cutting taxes. REAGAN: That's good. BUDGET DIRECTOR: And our deficit is getting worse. REAGAN: I am against deficits. BUDGET DIRECTOR: But then you see our defense costs are going up. REAGAN: I have always been for a strong defense. BUDGET DIRECTOR: And our tax revenues are declining. REAGAN: That's good. BUDGET DIRECTOR: But our budget deficit... REAGAN: I have always been against deficits. Yeah, Sue, Reagan is believable when he says he didn't know what was going on. He never did. The only time he really got upset was when he found the number of his new address was 666. He managed to get it changed to 665 1/2 to save himself and Nancy from the Great Satan. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Vampire Killer
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kathy: ROTFLMAO How gross.It is funny though. But I do tend to have a sick sense of humor. I certainly hope he at least cooked the guy a little bit, don't want to get Samonella. :( I wonder if you could get Samonella from eating raw people meat. (geeze the things that can go through ones mind) Reminds me of the "Silence of the Lambs" movie. :) What do they do with these people anyway. I know I certainly wouldn't be getting any sleep if I was stuck in a cell with one of them. Sue > > LOL Sue you just reminded me of a SK in Russia, the jailers weren't to > smart, this man was convicted of being a SK and he liked to eat his > victims, so what did they do? They gave him a roomy in jail! LOL Needles > to say after an argument when the jailers went to check on the inmates > there was only part of one left. They then learned NOT to put a room > mate in with that SK. You would have thought common sense told them not > to put someone in with him. I can't remember the man's name right now, > plus Russian names are a bit hard to remember. > -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I COTD: Pennsylvania Unsolved murders
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a period of seven months, between November 1976 and June 1977, five young women were raped and murdered within a 25-mile radius of Washington, Pennsylvania, their killer striking with impunity and leaving homicide investigators at a loss for clues. Despite a fair description of the suspect, published in the form of artist's sketches, there were no arrests, and none are now anticipated in a case that terrorized the peaceful border region, holding women prisoners of fear inside their homes. The first to die was 21-year-old Susan Rush, a native of Washington County, found strangled and locked in the trunk of her car on November 25, 1976. Detectives noted that her body had been "hastily clothed," her bra and panties left on the front seat, and a post mortem examination confirmed that the victim was raped prior to death. On February 13, 1977, 16-year-old Mary Gency was reported missing from her home in North Charleroi. She had gone out for a walk after supper and never returned, her body recovered three days later from the woods at Fallowfield Township. Gency was beaten to death with a blunt instrument, raped before death by an assailant the county coroner described as "a mad animal." Debra Capiola, 17, was last seen alive on March 17, walking to meet her school bus in nearby Imperial, in Allegheny County. She never arrived at school, and searchers found her body in a wooded section of northwestern Washington County on March 22. Capiola had been raped before she was strangled with her own blue jeans, the pants left wrapped around her neck. Two months later, on the afternoon of May 19, 18-year-old Brenda Ritter was found dead at South Strabane Township, in Washington County. Nude except for shoes and stockings, she had been raped, then strangled with a piece of her own clothing, tightened around her throat with a stick. In June, the killer strayed from Pennsylvania, but he did not travel far. His final victim was Roberta Elam, 26, a novice at Mount St. Joseph Mother House, in Oglebay Park, West Virginia, near Wheeling. Preparing to take her vows as a nun, Elam's career was cut short by the savage who raped and strangled her on June 13, dumping her corpse within 75 yards of the convent. On the afternoon of June 15, authorities released a sketch of a longhaired suspect seen near the Ritter homicide scene, but none of the resultant tips proved fruitful. When the murder series ended, as mysteriously as it had begun, police could only speculate about the strangler's identity and whereabouts. Unless deceased or jailed on unrelated charges, he is still at large today. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Twins died of SIDS
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kathy: I don't know what to think. I just can't believe that there wasn't some outside reason why these two babies died at the same time. The article says it was a poor neighborhood, leaking gas (ruled out), no heat, filthy living conditions, lack of food, ??? Maybe they had some kind of virus such as meningitis, something. You are right though sometimes there just isn't any answer. :((( Sue > Hi Sue, > > To say the least this is a confusing case, yet interesting. I personally > don't think a majority of the cases are homicides, I do think that some > that were classified as SIDS were homicides though, the evidence has > shown us that. The one thing I was wondering and the article didn't say > it was did she have proper prenatal care? Did she carry the twins full > term or were they preemies? If they were preemies I can easily > understand them dying, since most preemies have respiratory problems. My > nephews who were preemies did, yet they were born at 27 weeks, and had a > lot of problems. > > I can't help but agree this is very rare they would both die of Sids > especially at the same time. Yet it does look like that is what > happened. Sometimes there just isn't any easy answer and sometimes there > will never be an answer to the questions that are raised. This looks > like it might be one of them. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Terry: I don't think anyone thinks that Hillary Clinton is an idiot. I really don't. And I am not one of her supporters. But how do you prove a person knows or doesn't know something. How can anyone prove that Reagan knew what was going on during Iran/Contra. Common sense says that he did, but how can one prove it. Sue > > Well now, Linda, when William F. Buckley was sued for fraud in the operation > of a family business many years ago he testified that he was too naive to > know what was going on. The jury naturally bought his protestations of > ignorance as any jury would Hillary's. The answer though to all the deep > philosophical questions is yes. I refuse to believe Hillary is an idiot > like her supporters believe. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Vampire Killer
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LOL Sue you just reminded me of a SK in Russia, the jailers weren't to smart, this man was convicted of being a SK and he liked to eat his victims, so what did they do? They gave him a roomy in jail! LOL Needles to say after an argument when the jailers went to check on the inmates there was only part of one left. They then learned NOT to put a room mate in with that SK. You would have thought common sense told them not to put someone in with him. I can't remember the man's name right now, plus Russian names are a bit hard to remember. Sue Hartigan wrote: > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have a question, is this guy going to share a cell with another > person? > > I certainly wouldn't want to be his cell mate. What if he decides to > start chewing on the cell mate one night. > > Seriously are they going to keep him by himself or with another vampire > person. Or maybe someone who thinks he is a warewolf. > > If not I suggest that his cell mate get a sun lamp. :) > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Dr. L.: I think that Hillary Clinton is a very, very intelligent woman, and she knows exactly what she is saying or not saying when it comes to "knowing" something. Reagan played the same game during Iran Contra. I could never figure out during that one how all the things that were going on around him could possibly happen without him knowing what what going on. But he said he didn't. :) I don't think she is lying anymore than Reagan was, they just aren't telling the truth. All of it anyway. Sue > > Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which > could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the > possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she > assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious > lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. > Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of > thought'! > > Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the > *Law/&/Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Twins died of SIDS
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue, To say the least this is a confusing case, yet interesting. I personally don't think a majority of the cases are homicides, I do think that some that were classified as SIDS were homicides though, the evidence has shown us that. The one thing I was wondering and the article didn't say it was did she have proper prenatal care? Did she carry the twins full term or were they preemies? If they were preemies I can easily understand them dying, since most preemies have respiratory problems. My nephews who were preemies did, yet they were born at 27 weeks, and had a lot of problems. I can't help but agree this is very rare they would both die of Sids especially at the same time. Yet it does look like that is what happened. Sometimes there just isn't any easy answer and sometimes there will never be an answer to the questions that are raised. This looks like it might be one of them. Sue Hartigan wrote: > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I honestly don't know what to think about this...Sue -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/correction
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > :) Hi Terry - > [1] How did WB know that he was naive? [2] This (present) sentence is false. >Cheers! > :)LDMF > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-- > > > Well now, Linda, when William F. Buckley was sued for fraud in the operation > > of a family business many years ago he testified that he was too naive to > > know what was going on. The jury naturally bought his protestations of > > ignorance as any jury would Hillary's. The answer though to all the deep > > philosophical questions is yes. I refuse to believe Hillary is an idiot > > like her supporters believe. > > > > >"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > >Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which > > >could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the > > >possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she > > >assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious > > >lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. > > >Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of > > >thought'! > > > > > >Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the > > >*Law/&/Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. > > > > > >-Sue Hartigan wrote in pertpart: :- > > >> Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, > > >> while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of > > >> fraudulent S&L land transactions in the mid-1980s > > >> carried out by her business partner, the late James > > >> McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied > > >> about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents > > >> in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during > > >> her husband's presidency. > > > > > > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > > > > Best, Terry > > > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: :) Hi Terry - How did WB know that he was naive? This sentence is false. Cheers! :)LDMF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-- > Well now, Linda, when William F. Buckley was sued for fraud in the operation > of a family business many years ago he testified that he was too naive to > know what was going on. The jury naturally bought his protestations of > ignorance as any jury would Hillary's. The answer though to all the deep > philosophical questions is yes. I refuse to believe Hillary is an idiot > like her supporters believe. > > >"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which > >could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the > >possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she > >assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious > >lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. > >Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of > >thought'! > > > >Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the > >*Law/&/Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. > > > >-Sue Hartigan wrote in pertpart: :- > >> Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, > >> while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of > >> fraudulent S&L land transactions in the mid-1980s > >> carried out by her business partner, the late James > >> McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied > >> about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents > >> in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during > >> her husband's presidency. > > > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well now, Linda, when William F. Buckley was sued for fraud in the operation of a family business many years ago he testified that he was too naive to know what was going on. The jury naturally bought his protestations of ignorance as any jury would Hillary's. The answer though to all the deep philosophical questions is yes. I refuse to believe Hillary is an idiot like her supporters believe. >"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which >could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the >possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she >assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious >lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. >Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of >thought'! > >Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the >*Law/&/Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. > >-Sue Hartigan wrote in pertpart: :- >> Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, >> while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of >> fraudulent S&L land transactions in the mid-1980s >> carried out by her business partner, the late James >> McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied >> about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents >> in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during >> her husband's presidency. > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I 4-Year-Old Brought Gun to Day-Care
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 4-Year-Old Brought Gun to Day-Care > CLEVELAND (AP) -- A 4-year-old boy with a fascination > for firearms has been caught for a second time bringing > a loaded gun to a day-care center. > > A staff member discovered the weapon -- a 9 mm handgun > with one round in the chamber and 13 in the magazine -- > stuffed in the boy's coat pocket. He mentioned the gun > to children who told the teacher, The Plain Dealer > reported today. > > Police were investigating whether the gun's owner or the > boy's guardian committed any crime. The youngster's name > was not released. > > ``He is a bright, attentive, well-cared-for child, but > he is absolutely fascinated with guns,'' said Catherine > Perry, administrator of the Shaker Boulevard Child Care > Center, which serves 117 children. ``He knew all about > the gun the police officer was carrying.'' > > The boy told police Monday he took the gun from a store > his guardian's brother owns. > > In October, the boy went to the day-care center with a > gun tucked into the waistband of his sweatpants. Perry > said his guardian agreed to take parenting classes and > remove guns from her house. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Brother of Megan's Killer Charged
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Jackie: Here is one for your nature vs nurture research. :( Sue Brother of Megan's Killer Charged > NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (AP) -- The brother of the man who > murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka, leading to the creation > of ``Megan's laws'' to warn communities about sex > offenders in their midst, was arrested on charges he > sexually assaulted two girls. > > Paul Timmendequas, 34, was arrested Wednesday and > scheduled to be arraigned today on charges of aggravated > sexual assault, aggravated sexual contact and > endangering the welfare of a minor. > > He is the younger brother of Jesse Timmendequas, who was > sentenced to death last May for luring little Megan into > his home and raping and killing her in 1994. Paul > Timmendequas has said that both he and Jesse were > sexually abused by their father. > > Megan's parents, Maureen and Richard Kanka, had been > unaware a convicted sex offender was living nearby, and > her death led them to campaign for what came to be known > as Megan's laws. The laws, enacted in New Jersey and > across the country, require community notification when > a released sex offender deemed to be still dangerous > moves to a neighborhood. > > Paul Timmendequas was accused of assaulting two girls > before dawn Monday in separate incidents at an East > Brunswick home, Prosecutor Robert Corbin said. > > Corbin said one of the alleged victims was between 10 > and 12, while the other was between 13 and 15. > Investigators were still trying to determine the > connection between the two girls, and between the girls > and Timmendequas. > > The Star-Ledger of Newark today quoted the stepfather of > one of the girls as saying confronted Paul Timmendequas > on Monday morning. Timmendequas had been staying with > the man since January. > > ``I had a baseball bat nearby, waiting to hit him,'' > said the man, who was not identified. But the stepfather > said he changed his mind when Timmendequas burst into > tears. He said he and the girls did not want him to be > prosecuted. > > ``The kids don't want him to go to jail,'' he said. > ``They want him to get help.'' > > Megan's parents issued a statement Wednesday expressing > ``deepest sorrow to the victims and their families, and > hope they seek the help they desperately need to get > them through this terrible time.'' > > During his brother's trial, Paul Timmendequas tearfully > testified that his father repeatedly sexually abused him > and Jesse beginning when they were young boys. > > Paul Timmendequas was being held at the Middlesex County > Correction Center in North Brunswick on $200,000 bail. > He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice does prevail..
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kathy :) Sometimes justice does prevail :) I had the same sort of thing happen to me back in 85. They broke in and got some guns and various other things, the police really didn't offer us any hope of retrieving the items so we just filed the insurance and moved on. Yet a couple months later they called us telling us they had our guns, they were serving a warrant on a suspect while in the house they noticed a lot of guns and electronic equipment, what finally happened is yes those were our guns he had, what he was doing was having little kids break into houses and they would give him the merchandise and he would sell it. It was just pure luck we got our items back, but I was grateful, I didn't like the idea of someone with my guns and possibly using it in a crime. Nor the sense of losing the security I use to have in my home, I found that was lost after the break in. Kathy wrote: > > "Kathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hello to all on the list.. > I am a new member here and really enjoy reading all the news of the cases > and all that...I have never participated before but I found what happened to > me today good enough to share.. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Navy Ordered To Reinstate Officer
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Navy Ordered To Reinstate Officer > WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal judge told the Navy on > Thursday to comply with his order reinstating a chief > petty officer who successfully fought dismissal from the > military over allegations of homosexuality. > > U.S. District Court Judge Stanley Sporkin said the Navy > should return Timothy R. McVeigh to his old status as > the top enlisted man on a nuclear attack submarine > rather than give him only clerical jobs. > > Setting a June 1 hearing, Sporkin gave the Navy two > months to comply with his January order in the case in > which he said the Navy wrongly enforced the Pentagon's > ``don't ask, don't tell'' policy on gays in the > military. > > Christopher Wolf, McVeigh's attorney, accused the Navy > of ``dragging its feet'' and purposely keeping the > decorated 17-year veteran from returning to his former > duties that would let him advance his career. > > ``He used to be in the chief of boat position,'' Wolf > said after the court hearing Thursday. In that job, > McVeigh managed the day-to-day activities of a nuclear > attack submarine, the USS Chicago. ``And now he's stuck > with clerical duties.'' > > Justice Department attorney David Glass, representing > the government, told the judge one chief of boat > position had opened up recently, but McVeigh wasn't > deemed the best candidate. The judge ordered the Navy to > justify its decision by May 1. > > Glass refused to comment after the court hearing. > > Joe Krovisky, a Justice spokesman, said the government > intends to fully reinstate McVeigh. > > ``He just didn't qualify for this particular chief of > boat position,'' Krovisky said. ``The Navy felt someone > else would do a better job.'' > > McVeigh, who is not related to the Oklahoma City bomber, > was dismissed in December on charges he is homosexual > and engaged in sodomy. > > The 36-year-old, stationed at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, > has not commented on his sexuality. > > Pentagon policy allows dismissal of someone who > discloses he's gay, but the military cannot raise the > issue without sufficient cause. > > Sporkin said the Navy went too far in investigating > McVeigh, who was linked to an anonymous America Online > Inc. computer profile page that suggested he had a > sexual interest in young men. The judge also said the > Navy violated the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy > Act by obtaining confidential information about McVeigh > from AOL without a warrant or court order. > > The Navy is appealing, while McVeigh is pursuing a > lawsuit against the military, seeking unspecified > damages. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Mrs. Marcos Says Family Has $800M
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Talk about buying the presidency. LOL Mrs. Marcos Says Family Has $800M > > MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Imelda Marcos claimed > Thursday to have more than $800 million stashed away in > foreign banks, all of which she promised to give to poor > Filipinos if she is elected president. > > ``If you know how rich you are, you are not rich,'' the > widow of dictator Ferdinand Marcos said. ``But me, I am > not aware of the extent of my wealth. That's how rich we > are.'' > > It is the first time Mrs. Marcos has publicly admitted > her family has more wealth than that discovered by the > government since Marcos was ousted in a popular revolt > in 1986. > > Marcos died in 1989, accused of plundering about $10 > billion from the national treasury during his 20-year > rule. He never admitted any wrongdoing. > > Mrs. Marcos said the $800 million does not include $540 > million the government has discovered her husband had in > various accounts in two Swiss banks. > > ``There is more Marcos wealth that this government is > not yet aware of, but for the time being, I can admit > that there is only $800 million kept in various > international banks, but I cannot reveal them,'' Mrs. > Marcos told a press forum in Manila. > > Mrs. Marcos, who is trailing in a field of nine major > candidates in May's presidential election, promised to > distribute the money to poor communities. > > Magtanggol Gunigundo, chairman of the Presidential > Commission on Good Government, in charge of recovering > the Marcos wealth, welcomed her admission. > > ``That is good, so that we can embark on another case of > forfeiture and confiscation,'' Gunigundo said. > > But while he said he believes the Marcoses do have > undisclosed assets -- how much he would not say -- he > also cautioned that Mrs. Marcos' statement must also be > seen in the light of the presidential campaign. > > ``I believe she is saying this in order to titillate the > people to vote for her,'' he said. > > Mrs. Marcos ran unsuccessfully in the 1992 election and > won a seat in the House of Representatives in 1995. > > In December and January, the Swiss Supreme Court ordered > that the $540 million be transferred to an escrow > account in the Philippines. The court stipulated that > the Philippine government will get the money only if it > proves Mrs. Marcos obtained it illegally. > > So far, Mrs. Marcos has been convicted only on unrelated > corruption charges. She was sentenced to nine to 12 > years in prison but is free on bond pending an appeal. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
"Linda D. Misek-Falkoff, Ph.D., J.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of thought'! Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the *Law/&/Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. -Sue Hartigan wrote in pertpart: :- > Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, > while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of > fraudulent S&L land transactions in the mid-1980s > carried out by her business partner, the late James > McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied > about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents > in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during > her husband's presidency. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Ark. Boys May Face Federal Charges
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ark. Boys May Face Federal Charges > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The two boys arrested in the Arkansas > school shooting could be charged as juveniles under > federal law and officials were studying whether the > older one could be tried as an adult, Attorney General > Janet Reno said Thursday. > > Whether the 11-year-old or the 13-year-old now in > custody for the Jonesboro shootings ends up facing > federal rather than state charges will depend on which > system provides the heaviest penalties. > > The question arose in part because Arkansas law forbids > trying children 13 and under as adults; federal law > allows adult trials for defendants as young as 13. > > ``What we're doing is going through all the various > federal statutes to see what might be effective,'' Reno > told her weekly news conference. ``At this point, ... > both (juveniles) ... could be charged under certain > federal crimes as juveniles.'' > > Reno and her aides said the questions remaining were: > > --Whether the 13-year-old could be tried as an adult in > federal court. > > --Whether a federal juvenile prosecution was more likely > than an Arkansas prosecution to allow the boys, if > convicted, to be incarcerated until age 21 rather than > just age 18. > > Although Arkansas law lets youths convicted under state > juvenile law be held up to age 21, no one has ever been > held past age 18, the state's legal age of adulthood. > The reason is that Arkansas law requires that > 18-to-21-year-olds convicted as juveniles cannot be > housed in juvenile facilities, and, in adult prisons, > must be separated from adult inmates. However, the state > has no adult prison with such separate facilities. > > Federal juvenile law allows detention up to age 21 if > the sentence lasts that long. > > Officials of the Justice Department's criminal division > were conferring with U.S. Attorney Paula Casey in > Arkansas and Arkansas officials over whether there would > be any advantage to bringing federal charges, Reno said. > > Reno's deputy chief of staff Kent Markus said officials > were trying to see if any federal statutes that allow > adult trials of juveniles were applicable in this case. > > Federal law allows 13-year-olds but not 11-year-olds to > be prosecuted as adults but only under very limited > circumstances, Markus said. Those circumstances include > certain violent federal offenses but not the law that > makes it a federal crime for a juvenile to merely > possess a handgun, he added. > > Four students and a teacher were slain Tuesday at > Jonesboro's middle school, but murder is a federal crime > only when committed on Indian reservations, in federal > parks or on other federal property or against a federal > law enforcement officer or very high-ranking federal > official. Federal civil rights statutes can only be used > in murder cases when the crime was committed because of > race or national origin of the victims or by a law > enforcement officer. > > Last year, a proposal to allow adults trials of youths > as young as 12 failed to pass the Arkansas legislature. > Gov. Mike Huckabee and state legislators this week > called for readdressing the issue. > -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Former Springer Guest Re-Arrested
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Former Springer Guest Re-Arrested > GENEVA, N.Y. (AP) -- A woman who revealed on ``The Jerry > Springer Show'' that she had sex with a 16-year-old boy > has been arrested for seeing him again. > > Dawn Marie Eaves, 24, had been under court order not to > have any more contact with the teen-ager. She was > charged Wednesday with criminal contempt after police > spotted them together in downtown Geneva. > > Eaves was originally sentenced to five years' probation > after she pleaded guilty to having sex with the boy. > That charge followed her October appearance on the > television talk show with the boy and Michael Griffith, > who is the father of one of her children. > > On the show, Griffith confronted Eaves about her > relationship with the 16-year-old. The pair had an > argument, which led to a fistfight between Griffith and > various guests. > > The television appearance prompted an investigation and > a third-degree rape charge. > > Eaves was in jail today in lieu of $2,000 bail. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Surveys of Scientists On Polygraphs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is extracted from the footnotes of the amicus curiae brief supporting use of polygraphs in court. I made a stupid blunder in writing the Supreme Court had made its decision. For those who think Dr. Lykkens, the best known opponent of polygraphs, is a prophet they might be interested in another view: 19.The Gallup Organization, Survey of the members of the Society for Psychophysiological Research concerning their opinions of polygraph test interpretations... [-] 20.Respondents in both surveys gave responses to the following question: Which one of these four statements best describes your own opinion of polygraph test interpretations by those who have received systematic training in the technique, when they are called upon to interpret whether a subject is or is not telling the truth? A) It is a sufficiently reliable method to be the sole determinant, B) It is a useful diagnostic tool when considered with other available information, C) It is questionable usefulness, entitled to little weight against other available information, D) It is of no usefulness. [These footnotes supported the statement that polygraphs are accepted by appropriate scientists. But here is a third:] 21.There has recently been a third survey of the members of the SPR. That survey was reported by William Iacono and David Lykken of the University of Minnesota, The Scientific Status of Research on Polygraph Techniques: The Case Against Polygraph Tests, in MODERN SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE: THE LAW AND SCIENCE OF EXPERT TESTIMONY, D. L. Faigman, D. Kaye, M. J. Saks, & J. Sanders (Eds. in press). Drs. Iacono and Lykken are two of the most outspoken critics of polygraph testing. However, at present there are reasons to believe that the Iacono and Lykken survey is so flawed and at this time so controversial that it cannot be used for any substantive purpose. Problems with the Iacono and Lykken study include: 1) The cover letter for the Iacono and Lykken survey sets the survey in the context of the legal admissibility of the polygraph in court, rather than about the scientific acceptance and validity of the technique. In effect this is asking the respondents to make a political and legal judgment rather than a scientific one. This is in clear contrast the Amato survey (Supra note 19) which was set in the context of whether or not the Society for Psychophysiological Research should have a formal scientific policy regarding the validity of polygraph testing. The context of the Iacono and Lykken survey is clearly inappropriate since few, if any, of the members of the SPR have the legal background to make an admissibility assessment. 2) The sample of respondents to the Iacono and Lykken survey describe themselves as very uninformed about the topic of polygraph examinations. When asked, "About how many empirical studies, literature reviews, commentaries, or presentations at scientific meetings dealing with the validity of the CQT have you read or attended?" the average respondent replied 2.6, with a standard deviation of 1.5. This means that 83% of the respondents had read or attended fewer than 4.1 papers or presentations on polygraph. Moreover, fewer than 2% of the respondents had read more than 5.6 articles. Given the large number of scientific articles and presentations on this topic (Dr. Charles Honts has either authored or co-authored over 100 such papers and presentations by himself, many of which were given at the Society for Psychophysiological Research meetings), these data provide a strong indication that the Iacono and Lykken sample was, as a whole, highly uninformed about the polygraph, and thus has little to offer in terms of informed opinion about its scientific validity. 3) There is one known anomaly in the Iacono and Lykken data analysis that makes it impossible to compare some of their results to the other surveys in any meaningful way. In determining their highly informed group, Iacono and Lykken cut the distribution at 4 and above on their 7-point scale. In forming their highly informed group, Amato and Honts cut the distribution at 5 and above. This difference in cutting scores makes it impossible to compare these results across the two surveys. Iacono and Lykken's choice of a cutting point almost certainly reduced the confidence estimate by their highly informed subjects. 4) In their chapter in the Faigman et al. book, supra, Iacono and Lykken represent their survey as a random survey. However, Iacono recently admitted under cross-examination (U. S. v. Fergerson) that the Iacono and Lykken survey was in fact not based on a random sample. Drs. Raskin, Honts, and Kircher were deliberately left out of the sampling frame and thus did not have an opportunity to review, respond, or be represented in the survey. 5) Becau
L&I Court looks again at sexual harassment
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: WASHINGTON, March 25 (UPI) _ The Supreme Court is taking a long look at sexual harassment, with the justices preparing to hear back-to-back arguments in cases involving lifeguards in Boca Raton, Fla., and a teacher and student in a Texas school district. In fact, sexual harassment has become something of a theme this term. The justices ruled March 4, in a male-on-male case out of Louisiana, that victims may sue for workplace sexual harassment under federal civil rights law, even when their alleged harassers are of the same gender. In the Boca Raton case being heard today _ which examines the standards under which an employer can be held liable _ a woman lifeguard sued the city for alleged sexual harassment by her supervisors. A federal appeals court eventually ruled the city was not responsible. In the Texas case, a male teacher in the Lago Vista School District in Travis County allegedly began a sexual affair with a 15-year-old girl student. Court records say a police officer discovered the two having sex in 1993. The teacher was fired and the state revoked his teaching license. But the girl and her mother sued the school district under Title IX of the Education Act, which bars sexual discrimination, and by extension, sexual harassment. A federal appeals court eventually ruled that school districts are not liable for sexual harassment unless supervisors know about it and do nothing to stop it. Decisions in both of the cases should come before the court recesses for the summer in late June or early July. (No. 97-282, Faragher vs. Boca Raton; and No. 96-1866, Gebser et al vs. Lago Vista) _- -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Hillary May Get Executive Privilege
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Kathy, I don't think it's political suicide to invoke EP per se. Certainly many presidents in the past have invoked it, including George Washington. The big problem here is that it is unclear why the specific conversations with the president would be covered by EP. That will be up to the lawyers to decide in their motions to the court. IMO, this will simply add a lot of time to the process and perhaps that is the main motive in exercising this privilege. But so far we don't know if he has even asked for EP. Bill On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:41:26 -0500 Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >She can't be forced to testify against him in a criminal trial, I >don't >think the same applies in a civil trial. Also that law is not enforce >in >all states anymore about testifying against a spouse. > >If he tries to claim executive privilege he can say good-bye to an >sort >of public life after his presidency is over, and possibly to the >presidency its self, it's political suicide to claim EP. Also there is >no way that Hillary should qualify under this at all. > >Sue Hartigan wrote: >> >> Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> I have a question about this that perhaps someone on here can >> answer..Why would Hillary need executive privilege, she cannot be >forced >> to testify against her husband. >> >> Sue >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Legal scholars voiced skepticism and critics >> saw Nixonian abuses Tuesday in the White House effort to use >> executive privilege to shield aides from questions about >conversations >> with Hillary Rodham Clinton. >-- >Kathy E >"I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and >tomorrow >isn't looking too good for you either" >http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List >http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jones: Summary March 23/ KE
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Linda :) I think the jury is paying attention, and that is going to be a problem for the defense, to me it's unreasonable to think a women who was smaller than Yolanda and shorter was able to overpower her and kill her and the four kids, yet it is something I can easily see Rico being able to do. IMHO Rico has confessed, every thing he did after that crime reeked of a man who killed. I think if this jury uses common sense they will see it also, especially having his own mother testify against him. I know that was most likely the hardest thing in the world for her to do, and I feel sorry for her, but she told the truth. Yet after yesterdays testimony and all involved I had a real hard time with this case thinking of these children and what they went through along with the mother before they died. The question of reasonable doubt, it's one I ponder quite a bit when looking at these cases and watching them. What do I consider reasonable compared to another? It's a very hard thing to explain to another. Yet this is the way I look at the cases I watch. When the DA is finished with their case I should feel like the accused is guilty, if I don't feel that I have reasonable doubt before the defense has even said one word. And I would not convict, I felt that with the Budzyn case, I was not convinced of anything with him, Now they completely convinced me Nevers was guilty. When the defense comes up and shows me their case I will expect them to raise the possibility that I am wrong, and to put on good enough case that I will question myself and what I felt. Thus they raise reasonable doubt. Now the question comes into mind, what if they only raise reasonable doubt in one area? Do I then say the person isn't guilty and not vote guilty? No, what I then look at is the whole pictures not just one little piece of it, could I live with convicting this person? If I feel I could I would but if I had a doubt about that no I would not convict. Hung Jury. Well I don't believe in those, my feelings are if you have a hung jury you have lawyers on both sides that failed to do their job. The DA didn't have enough evidence or was not good enough to convince a jury of his guilt, and the defense also dropped the ball and was not good enough to convince the jury his client was innocent. A hung jury is something both sides should be ashamed about IMO. Now I probably told you more than you ever wanted to know LOL dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.] wrote: > > "dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > :) Echo your feelings, Kathy -- which is why I posted the 'OTOH'. It's > such a strong if melodramatic move to accuse someone else, not a missing > person suspect, but an actual located and presented person (ha, indeed, > the allegedly jealous other woman!). I wonder what the probabilities are > here. Do you think the jury might say, it's a game, but yet it > introduces reasonable doubt? Hope to hear your view; > cheers, :) LDMF. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I DEATH PENALTY--The quality of justice
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Short note Ed will unable to answer this until he comes back to the
list, if you would like to hold it for him and forward it to him when he
returns I'm sure he would have no problem with it :)
dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.] wrote:
>
> "dr. ldmf [ph.d, j.d.]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi Sue - I think we had better bring our expert in on this one. And he
> is a California lad also. Calling Ed, Calling Ed...! from a general
> perspective though, and not having read anything about the case except
> what's here:
>
> [1] Before the jury convenes to reach a verdict, at the end of all
> arguments, a 'side' can make a Motion for what's called usually "a
> Directed Verdict." This creates and preserves the right to make another
> Motion after the verdict, called a JNOV ("Judgement notwithstanding the
> verdict" (rejecting the Verdict), and if granted the Judge does do a
> JNOV.
>
> [2] After a verdict a judge can decide that in the "Interest of Justice"
> he must set aside the jury verdict because it does not in his Opinion
> reflect the evidence presented. Then he would issue his own ruling.
>
> [3] Other.
>
> Ed and others, check me out above because I am spontaenously typing from
> memory and need the generalities checked; but as far as this case, I
> don't know how the procedures went or California Law on this point.
> Do we have a link to California Criminal Code, or Civil Code? :) LDMF.
> ---Sue Hartigan wrote:
> >
> > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Hi Dr. L.:
> >
> > I posted that article for Bill. But now that I read it, it is very sad
> > and confusing to me.
> >
> > How can a judge give the DP in a case by himself. I don't think that is
> > allowed in California.
> >
> > And if the new antiterrorism law hasn't gone through all the channels,
> > how can they apply it.
> >
> > I really don't understand this. Can you please explain it to me?
> >
> > Sue
> > >
> > > Hi Sue - this seems a very touching situation; one hopes someone will
> > > review it while there is still time to do so. I know the arguments for
> > > proceeding are many because all the intertwining laws and sub-texts add
> > > up to execution, it seems, and not grandfathering in those with dealth
> > > penalties of a prior date; but if technicalities always prevail, we will
> > > have a total triumph of 'form over substance.' This post is not
> > > regarding the merits, but the system. :) LDMF.
> >
> > >
> > > Posted for Bill:
> > >
> > > St. Louis Post-Dispatch
> > >
> > > DEATH PENALTY
> > >
> > > About the time Missourians are drifting off the sleep tonight, the
> > > executioner
> > > is scheduled to administer a lethal injection to Milton Griffin-El. His
> > > death
> > > should trouble our sleep.
> > > Many will be satisfied by his execution. There's no doubt that
> > > Griffin-El and
> > > Antoine Owens killed Jerome Redden and his girlfriend, Loretta Trotter,
> > > on
> > > Aug. 15, 1986. There's no doubt it was a brutal attack in the apartment
> > > above the Redden family cleaning establishment on St. Louis Avenue.
> > > There's
> > > no doubt that the murder had tragic consequences quite beyond the
> > > victims
> > > who were stabbed and bludgeoned to death. Mr. Redden and Ms. Trotter's
> > > 4-month-old son, Germaine, was found crying near the bodies and
> > > eventually
> > > was put up for adoption.
> > > Rosie Redden, Mr. Redden's mother, sees the execution as simple justice:
> > > "He took two lives for a robbery. He deserves to die."
> > > So what is there to trouble us?
> > > The trouble lies in what the case says about the quality of justice as a
> > > new
> > > federal law begins to limit death row appeals. The case also illustrates
> > > other
> > > problems with the death penalty:
> > > * Griffin-El was sentenced to death while Owens got life sentences for
> > > stabbing both Ms. Trotter and Mr. Redden. Hence the arbitrariness of the
> > > death penalty.
> > > * Griffin-El was convicted by a jury from which the prosecutor had
> > > struck six
> > > African-Americans - a common prosecutorial practice in the 1980s and a
> > > reason the death penalty has been stacked against blacks.
> > > * The jury deadlocked on the death sentence at 10-2 in favor. Under a
> > > new
> > > state law, Griffin-El became the first Missourian to be sentenced to
> > > death by
> > > a judge acting alone - a lonely exercise of discretion for a public
> > > official who
> > > can pay for it in the next election.
> > > * Griffin-El will be the first of the 30 men put to death in Missouri
> > > who did
> > > not have a chance at a full hearing before the federal appeals court.
> > > The reason that Griffin-El hasn't received that last hearing is that
> > > Congress
> > > passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act in 1996 to cut
> > > back on the appeals of death-row inmates.
> > > Understandably, people are frustrated by t
L&I Man Charged 31 Years After Death
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There was talk not too long ago about exhuming a lot of these babies who had been dx'd as dying from SID's to recheck and see if they had really died as a result of child abuse. I just wonder if we will be seeing a few more of these murder charges being filed, many years later. Sue Man Charged 31 Years After Death > LYNDEN, Wash. (AP) -- Thirty-one years ago, William > Morley Dorsay took a walk in a Vancouver, British > Columbia, park with his month-old son in a stroller. > When he returned home, the baby, covered head to toe in > blankets, was dead. > > Doctors attributed the death to sudden infant death > syndrome. But incriminating comments Dorsay allegedly > made to a state trooper three years ago prompted > Canadian police to reopen the case. They concluded the > infant was suffocated. > > Now Dorsay will return to Canada to face murder charges > in the death of his son, David. > > In a hearing Wednesday in federal court in Seattle, > Dorsay, a 51-year-old car salesman, waived extradition > and agreed to return to Vancouver. > > Dorsay's marriage broke up soon after the baby's death, > and he eventually moved to the U.S. side of the border. > In 1995, a trooper in the Seattle area was filling his > gas tank one night when Dorsay approached and confessed > to killing the baby, said Vancouver Detective Al > Cattley. > > The trooper took Dorsay to a police station, but Dorsay > wouldn't say anything more. > > Police passed the information on to Canadian officials, > and the baby's remains were exhumed and examined by a > pathologist. > > Dorsay remarried 20 years ago, and the couple have four > children, ages 2 to 20. The family has an unlisted > number and couldn't be reached. > > Cattley said Dorsay's ex-wife, who lives in her native > England, ``had her suspicions because of his actions > around the child, and it's never been a thing she's > accepted.'' > > ``I think he was just in a relationship that he didn't > like,'' the detective said. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Starr Focuses on Lewinsky Transfer
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Starr Focuses on Lewinsky Transfer > WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House personnel chief > testified before a federal grand jury Thursday, > signaling a strong focus by Whitewater prosecutors on > Monica Lewinsky's administration jobs -- including her > transfer to the Pentagon. > > Marsha Scott appeared for a second time in a week before > the grand jurors, who have heard from a half-dozen > witnesses who played roles in Ms. Lewinsky's White House > work prior to her April 1996 reassignment to the Defense > Department. > > After Ms. Scott finished testifying, the president's > chief of Oval Office operations, Nancy Hernreich, made > her second appearance at the courthouse. She sees > virtually everyone who enters the president's office. > > The testimony of witnesses familiar with Ms. Lewinsky's > role could be valuable to prosecutors, even if the > staffers were unaware of a Clinton-Lewinsky sexual > relationship. They might be able to shed light on Ms. > Lewinsky's frequent appearances around the Oval Office > despite her low-level tasks -- a possible factor in her > transfer. > > Ms. Lewinsky told a friend that she had a sexual affair > with Clinton and he asked her to lie about it, > contradicting her affidavit in the Paula Jones case > denying a sexual relationship. The president has said > there was no affair or suggestion that she lie. > > Those who previously testified included: > > --Former White House deputy chief of staff Evelyn > Lieberman. Current and former White House officials have > said that she wanted Ms. Lewinsky transferred because of > ``inappropriate and immature behavior.'' > > --Timothy Keating, who hired Ms. Lewinsky in the > legislative correspondence section when her internship > ended. He said after testifying that Ms. Lewinsky was > ``transferred because of dissatisfaction with her > performance ... .'' > > --Patsy Thomasson, who was a White House personnel > official. She said after her testimony that she gave the > grand jury ``the facts about her placement at the > Pentagon.'' > > --Jodie Torkelson, who also was a personnel aide. Her > lawyer said after she testified Wednesday that she was > asked about an e-mail memo she wrote in 1966. She asked > in the memo that she be notified if Ms. Lewinsky sought > another White House job. > > --Jocelyn Jolley, who was Ms. Lewinsky's direct > supervisor in the legislative affairs office. Ms. Jolley > was transferred out of the office the same day as Ms. > Lewinsky. > > Ms. Scott has known Clinton from his days as Arkansas > governor, and an incident in his deposition in the Jones > case indicates she's a confidante of the president. > > As Clinton related the incident, he was attending a high > school reunion in Arkansas in 1994 and got into a > conversation with an old friend, Dolly Kyle Browning. > > According to the president, Ms. Browning was angry that > he had not called her back in 1992 when she was > concerned that a tabloid was going to run a story about > her. The president said she began a jealous tirade about > how unhappy she was that she had never had a sexual > relationship with Clinton and threatened to sell a book > claiming they did. > > Clinton said he asked Ms. Scott ``to listen to the > conversation when it started, and she stood very close > so she could hear everything, and then as soon as the > conversation was over, I asked her if she had heard > it...' > > The president said he later made notes of the > conversation and asked Ms. Scott if they were consistent > with her memory ``and she said `Yes, except I think that > the conversation went on a little longer than you said > ...''' > > Clinton testified he put the notes in a file folder, > which went in a briefcase that was stored under his > desk. > > Ms. Browning, a Dallas real estate attorney who gave a > deposition in the Jones case, has said she had a long > affair with Clinton and accused him of lying in his > deposition. > > She said that at no time was Ms. Scott listening to the > conversation, although a woman with blond hair (Ms. > Scott is a blond) did interrupt their conversation
L&I Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records > WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a bizarre discovery in the late > Vincent Foster's attic, Whitewater prosecutors have > landed a second set of Hillary Rodham Clinton's > once-elusive law firm billing records, lawyers said > Thursday. > > The records have fewer handwritten notations and fewer > pages but generally contain the same information as the > set belatedly found in the White House in 1996, the > lawyers said. > > Nonetheless, the documents have become a fresh line of > inquiry for grand jury questioning in Arkansas, where > prosecutors are pressing to wrap up their investigation > of the first lady's legal work for a failed savings and > loan owned by her Whitewater business partner. > > ``You're sitting in the grand jury and the prosecutors > read you an entry about Mrs. Clinton from one set of > billing records, question you about it, then they pick > up the other set and read other entries about other > meetings,'' said one recent grand jury witness who spoke > only on condition of anonymity. > > Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, > while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of > fraudulent S&L land transactions in the mid-1980s > carried out by her business partner, the late James > McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied > about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents > in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during > her husband's presidency. > > On Thursday, Mrs. Clinton's private lawyer described the > second set of billing records, which were found last > summer by Foster's widow, Lisa, in the attic of their > Arkansas home. > > ``These Rose Law Firm billing records for Madison > Guaranty Savings & Loan, which were discovered by Mrs. > Foster at her home in July of 1997, are virtually > identical to the records produced by me'' to Whitewater > prosecutor Kenneth Starr, attorney David Kendall said. > > ``There are a few additional handwritten notations, and > fifteen additional pages, in the set produced two years > ago,'' Kendall said. > > Starr's office and Foster's lawyer, James Hamilton, > declined comment. > > Foster and former Associate Attorney General Webster > Hubbell were partners with Mrs. Clinton at the Rose Law > Firm in Little Rock. They directed the firm to print the > billing records in 1992 when questions about Whitewater > arose during Clinton's first presidential campaign. > > But when prosecutors subpoenaed them later on, the > records had mysteriously disappeared. > > In January 1996, more than two years after they had been > first subpoenaed, the records were turned over after a > presidential secretary found them on a table in the > White House living quarters. > > The 100-plus pages of billing records outline Mrs. > Clinton's legal work for McDougal's Madison Guaranty > S&L, including more than a dozen meetings with Hubbell's > father-in-law, Seth Ward, an S&L employee who was paid > more than $300,000 in disputed commissions. The first > lady and Ward say they recall nothing of the meetings. > > Hubbell has testified that Foster was the last one he > saw handling the billing records. > > Last July, Lisa Foster was going through some stored > belongings in her attic when she pulled a set of Mrs. > Clinton's billing records from a briefcase used by her > late husband just before his 1993 suicide. > > The briefcase also included correspondence from The New > York Times seeking answers to questions about > Whitewater, sources familiar with the briefcase's > contents say. > > Mrs. Foster turned the briefcase and the materials over > to her lawyer, who provided them to Starr. > > In court arguments a year ago, prosecutors identified > Mrs. Clinton as someone who could be indicted and > alleged that her account to investigators in the > Whitewater investigation had changed over time. Among > the things they are investigating is whether she was > involved in the disappearance of the billing records. > > Federal bank examiners have previously reported Mrs. > Clinton created a document in 1986 involving one of > McDougal's most controversial lan
L&I Organs Must Go to Sickest First
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Finally a law that really makes sense. :) Sue Organs Must Go to Sickest First > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans are dying because of an > arbitrary system for allocating scarce organs, the > government said Thursday. It ordered the transplant > network to give organs to the sickest patients first, > even if they live across the country. > > ``Make no bones about it, this is about living or > dying,'' Health and Human Services Secretary Donna > Shalala said. ``People are dying ... simply because of > where they happen to live.'' > > The long-expected rules represent the government's first > set of detailed guidelines for the private contractor > that runs the transplant network and has often clashed > with HHS officials. > > Emphasizing that it is not making medical judgments, > Shalala's agency is ordering the United Network for > Organ Sharing to come up within five months with a new > plan for allocating livers. The new system must give > priority to the sickest patients rather than to those > who live close to the donor. > > Network officials, who strongly oppose changes, > responded that the HHS plan would save fewer lives, > warning that smaller centers may close because organs > would be diverted to large centers in other parts of the > country. > > Less controversially, the rules direct the network to > establish standard criteria for putting people on > waiting lists and classifying medical statuses. > > They also order the network to release up-to-date > information about waiting times, survival rates and > other performance indicators for individual transplant > programs, which the network always has refused to do. > That should help patients make informed decisions about > where to go for transplants, Health and Human Services > said. > > The allocation system now in place offers donated organs > first to hospitals in the local area, then regionally, > then nationally. Patients are ranked by medical need > within the local or regional area, but an organ is > offered to a relatively healthy local patient before > being sent to a sicker candidate across the country. > > The system has helped create widely varying waiting > times around the country, with patients in some regions > waiting five times as long for a transplant. > > The United Network for Organ Sharing argues that the > geographic system saves more lives because healthier > patients have better chances to survive transplant > surgery. > > Yet Dr. William Pfaff, the network's president-elect and > former head of transplant surgery at the University of > Florida, conceded the system already favors the sickest > patients within communities and regions. He also said > that, given a choice between providing an organ to two > patients in adjoining rooms, he would choose the sicker > one. > > He complained that under the new system, all organs > would go to the sickest patients, meaning patients won't > have a realistic chance for transplant until they become > very sick. > > ``Everybody deserves a chance,'' he said. > > The geographic system is supported by the many small > centers that depend on a ready supply of locally donated > organs, particularly livers. Because many more small > centers are in operation than large ones, they have > controlled the network's policies. > > Already, the network is planning lobbying campaigns in > Congress to overturn the new plan. It has urged > hospitals to warn their communities that the new system > could shut down their program. Some have suggested > fighting the rules in court, but Pfaff said he does not > know if that will be considered. > > Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a transplant surgeon opposed > to the national system concept, said Thursday he will > hold a hearing on the new rules. > > Health and Human Services left open the possibility that > it could change the rule, offering a 60-day comment > period. Officials have already spent more than three > years listening to various arguments. > > The rules are backed by large transplant programs led by > the University of Pittsburgh, which serves sicker > patients and would benefit from a nati
L&I Welcome to Kathy
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Kathy :) Welcome to the Law list :) I am glad to see your enjoying it here :) :) If you have any problems or questions please don't hesitate to ask :) To avoid confusion I sign my name as Kathy E, so we shouldn't be mixed up :) Again Welcome and I look forward to your input :) -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I SK's Deal, should this be allowed?
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Serial killer Michael Ross has literally signed away his life, putting his name at the bottom of an extraordinary 10-page agreement with a prosecutor to go to his execution quietly. The pact between Ross and special prosecutor C. Robert Satti could force Connecticut a state that has not carried out the death penalty since 1960 to face an execution soon. Legal experts around the country are calling the deal unprecedented and say it has dangerous implications. A human rights group says it was the product of an "unholy alliance'' of the killer and prosecutor. Even the judge in the case has expressed reservations, holding off accepting the agreement until hearing further arguments on whether it is legal and binding. "I must say this is a unique situation. A person is entitled to waive appeals, but I don't think they're entitled to commit suicide,'' said Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center in Washington, D.C. Ross, a former insurance salesman and Ivy League graduate, strangled at least six girls and young women in the early 1980s. He pleaded guilty to two killings in 1985 and was convicted of four others in 1987. Later that year, he was sentenced to death. In 1994, the state Supreme Court upheld his conviction but overturned his sentence because the judge had excluded part of a psychiatric report that might have helped him escape death. A new penalty hearing was ordered. But Ross dismissed his public defenders and wrote to Satti with the idea that a new penalty hearing could be avoided altogether if they could come to some arrangement. Over the course of three years, the prosecutor and the defendant acting as his own attorney, with a court-appointed lawyer as an adviser only worked side by side to create their lethal brief. The document coldly details how he how captured and killed his victims. Most of them were raped and their bodies dumped in the woods. The contract, signed March 11, ends with the declaration that "a sentence of death will be imposed.'' Plenty of other death row inmates around the country have pleaded guilty or waived all appeals after being sentenced to die. Ross' case differs in two major respects. First, he signed an explicit contract with the prosecution that, if found to be binding, seals his fate. And second, the deal would eliminate the penalty hearing altogether. Legal experts say this appears to be improper because under Connecticut law, no one can be sentenced to death without a penalty hearing. They also object because Ross' fate unlike that of many death row inmates is far from hopeless. Under the law, Ross would be spared the death penalty if a judge or jury at the penalty hearing found just one mitigating factor, such as a history of child abuse. Ross has a psychiatric report that says he suffers from a mental illness. Stephen Bright, director of the Southern Center for Human Rights in Atlanta, called the relationship between Satti and Ross "an unholy alliance.'' "This agreement is an extraordinary document to come up with. What's different in this case is the contract with the state prosecutors and the keeping-out-evidence aspect of it,'' he said. Loyola University law professor James Carey worries that the adversarial nature of the court system has been abandoned in this case. "The process by which you would induce an accused person to appear to sign his life away I think undermines the apparent structure and neutrality of the process,'' he said. Fordham University law professor Deborah Denno said: "I think there's some sort of death wish on his part. He's taking the more egregious punishment when there's a pretty strong chance that he might not be given death.'' Ross, 38, a graduate of Cornell University with a degree in agricultural economics, denied he is suicidal and said he simply wants to spare the victims' families from having to go through another hearing. "They have been hurt enough by my actions in the past,'' he said during a hearing before Superior Court Judge Thomas Miano. "I don't want them to have to hear the awful details of how I sadistically brutalized and murdered their daughters.'' Satti refused to comment Wednesday. The judge has asked Satti and Ross to submit briefs on the legality their agreement and set a hearing for April 9. Patrick Culligan, chief of the capital defense team for the state Office of the Chief Public Defender, is trying to intervene. "Our Supreme Court has said that in Connecticut, if the death penalty is imposed, it must be the result of a reasoned moral judgment. The parties do not seem to be addressing that interest at all,'' Culligan said. "It comes down to couple of guys trying to come up with their own rules.'' -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.
Re: L&I Badtimes Virus :)
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: another name for this Virus is - My son Scotty (VBG) Sooz wrote: > > Sooz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Users: I've received this important warning from off-shore sources > deep in the Caribbean. > > Be alert: This is REALLY bad news! -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Re: law-issues-digest V1 #727
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, IMO It doesn't really matter about the truth. The Republican right wing is determined to bring down a democraric Presidency and the Democratic Party is determined to hold on to its political power at any cost,using any means. Neither side is admirable; in fact one might say each is downright despicable. And the Clintons lose all credibility and respectability from the electorate in the process. Vi _ You wrote: I doubt that we ever will come to find out what the truth is. Besides every time this allegedly happened the only people involved in it were Clinton and the woman involved. And it is always a he said, she said type of thing,so how can anything be proed? _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Re: law-issues-digest V1 #745
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Kathy, Wouldn't you just know that sooner or later we would have weirdos that would copy "vampires"? Vi You wrote: . . .<<>> _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Jones: Summary March 24
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: sorry for the slip up in writing this one, don't ask me why I said a gun, it was a knife he threw away. I'll pay closer attention in the future. Kathy E wrote: > On cross, the defense seemed to focus on what was not found in Carr's > analysis. According to Carr, no matching blood matter was found on any > knife taken from Jones's home (Note that it was previously testified to > that he told a witness he was going to throw the gun in the lake). And > no DNA matter was discovered in any of the sink drain traps in the > victims' house. (Note that is normal not to find DNA in the sink > drains.) -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Vampire Killer
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have a question, is this guy going to share a cell with another person? I certainly wouldn't want to be his cell mate. What if he decides to start chewing on the cell mate one night. Seriously are they going to keep him by himself or with another vampire person. Or maybe someone who thinks he is a warewolf. If not I suggest that his cell mate get a sun lamp. :) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: law-issues-digest V1 #745
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: LMAO And vampires aren't weird.Well the one on "Forever Knight" can visit me anytime. :) Sue > Hi Kathy, > > Wouldn't you just know that sooner or later we would have weirdos that > would copy "vampires"? > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Wednesday Jokes
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: New words for an old tune Sung to the tune of Rawhide... Java Song Loading, loading, loading, Damn this Java coding, Feeling of forboding, Reload! The Applet says it's running, And that big grey block is stunning, But the screen remains as blank as my mind Netscape crash, Boot 'em up! Net goes down, Dial back! Logging on, Still off-line! Reload! Try it now, Still not up! Netscape crashed, What, again? Boot it up, Log it in, Reload! Tighten, tweakin', smoothen, They say the codes improvin', So how come I'm still usin' "reload"? I'm tired of all this waitin', Just give me .gif animation, This code is only good for wasting time, The applet says it's running, And grey block is quite stunning, But the screen remains as blank as my mind, (Midi solo) beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,beep Netscape crash, Boot 'em up! Net goes down, Dial back! Logging on, Still off-line! Reload! Try it now, Still not up! Netscape crashed, What, again? Boot it up, Log it in, Reload! Reload! -- The Top 15 Things a 36 Year Old Woman Sees in a 14 Year Old Boy 16> Can't have a decent conversation about "Saved By the Bell" with anyone her own age. 15> Can get him really drunk on half a beer. 14> Shares her love of finding the perfect antique, then blowing it up with M-80s. 13> Can still pull in a paycheck when she's 75 and Social Security is down the tubes. 12> Saves money by ordering from the "Guppy's Menu" at participating Red Lobsters. 11> Goodbye, frumpy housewife. Hell, Teacher Spice!! 10> Chance to get a couple more proms under her belt. 9> Only drinks too much with the boys when they're running a lemonade stand. 8> He may someday be the President -- better get him before he gets her. 7> Too old to have cooties, too young to have an STD. 6> Not her first choice, mind you, but Mr. DiCaprio wasn't available. 5> They're the polar opposite of the Energizer Bunny, if you know what I mean. 4> Falls for that bit about her stretch marks being cool tattoos. 3> Never has to worry about him screwin' around with her Steve Miller Band 8-tracks. 2> Can grab his hair during lovemaking without a lecture on the price of Rogaine. and the Number 1 Thing a 36 Year Old Woman Sees in a 14 Year Old Boy... 1> His Erector Set. -- Proof that the gene pool is contaminated! In rural Carbon County, PA, a group of men were drinking beer and discharging firearms from the rear deck of a home owned Irving Michaels, age 27. The men were firing at a raccoon that was wandering by, but the beer apparently impaired their aim and, despite of the estimated 35 shots the group fired, the animal escaped into a 3 foot diameter drainage pipe some 100 feet away from Mr. Michaels deck. Determined to terminate the animal, Mr. Michaels retrieved a can of gasoline and poured some down the pipe, intending to smoke the animal out. After several unsuccessful attempts to ignite the fuel, Michaels emptied the entire 5 gallon fuel can down the pipe and tried to ignite it again, to no avail. Not one to admit defeat by wildlife, the determined Mr. Michaels proceeded to slide feet-first approximately 15 feet down the sloping pipe to toss the match. The subsequent rapidly expanding fireball propelled Mr. Michaels back the way he had come, though at a much higher rate of speed. He exited the angled pipe "like a Polaris missile leaves a submarine," according to witness Joseph McFadden, 31. Mr. Michaels was launched directly over his own home, right over the heads of his astonished friends, onto his front lawn. In all, he traveled over 200 feet through the air. "There was a Doppler Effect to his scream as he flew over us," McFadden reported, "Followed by a loud thud.". Amazingly, he suffered only minor injuries. "It was actually pretty cool," Michaels said, "Like when they shoot someone out of a cannon at the circus. I'd do it again if I was sure I wouldn't get hurt." "It seems I've found myself on the Voyager of the Damned." The Holodoc (Time and Again) -- Who Holds The Title Some years ago, a New Orleans lawyer sought a direct Veterans Administration loan for a client. He was told that the loan would be approved if he could provide proof of clear title to the property offered as collateral. The title for the property in question was complicated and he spent a considerable amount of time reviewing all pertinent documents back to 1803. Satisfied with the depth and expanse of his examination, he submitted the information to the VA. He soon received a reply from the VA.: "We received your
Re: L&I Question
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Doc :) Yes it is, but the way I look at this case is, he realized he was going to be found guilty due to the evidence and just decided the heck with it, mize we'll just get it over with instead of going through the trial also. At least that's my take on it. DocCec wrote: > Isn't that a bit unusual, a guilty plea in a capital murder case without a > pledge of non-capital punishment? Why the guilty plea at all, under such > circumstances? > Doc -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: law-issues-digest V1 #727-Clinton
Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Vi: I couldn't agree with you more. There are no angels here. It is everyone for themselves, IMO. The sad part about the whole thing is that it is the American people though that are going to lose. Sue > Hi Sue, > > IMO It doesn't really matter about the truth. The Republican right wing > is determined to bring down a democraric Presidency and the Democratic > Party is determined to hold on to its political power at any cost,using > any means. Neither side is admirable; in fact one might say > each is downright despicable. And the Clintons lose all credibility > and respectability from the electorate in the process. > > Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Evidence there is life on Mars?
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Check it out! http://www.ohmygoodness.com/cgi-bin/g-card.pl?980326KAKALGQCJKWS -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Evidence there is life on Mars?
"Kathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hey all.. I just thought I would pass this along.. Schoolyard murder suspects held without bail(Adds details) By Steve Barnes JONESBORO, Ark., (Reuters) - The two young boys accused of killing four girls and a teacher in a shooting spree at their Arkansas school were ordered held without bail Wednesday to face multiple capital murder and battery charges. Police said the two suspects, aged 11 and 13, meticulously planned the horrific lunchtime assault and classmates said the elder one, identified by relatives as Mitchell Johnson, apparently acted out of rage after his girlfriend dumped him. ``I heard him talking to some girls and he said 'I got a lot of killing to do.' He was one of those all-talkers, big-shot he thought he was ... I never even thought about it,'' said fellow student Colby Brooks. The grandfather of the other boy, 11-year-old Andrew Golden, said he thought they had deliberately targeted girls rather than boys in the schoolyard. The dead were identified as four girls, all aged 11 or 12, and one female teacher. Nine girls and another female teacher were wounded. Johnson and Golden were escorted before Juvenile Court Judge Ralph Wilson in Jonesboro Wednesday afternoon. Authorities set up a tight ring of security for fear of possible attacks against the suspects and police officers hid them from public view by draping a black blanket over them. Their attorneys offered no arguments on their behalf and did not request their release. Local reporters allowed into the brief hearing said the younger boy appeared calm and composed, but that Johnson sat with his head hanging down. He asked to speak with his father and wept while they huddled in a corner. Local residents said Johnson's father had been among the dozens of parents who frantically rushed to the school to see if their children were safe minutes after the shooting, and was horrified to find out his son was one of the suspects. District Attorney Brent Davis said the boys each face five counts of capital murder and 10 counts of battery. He presented an affidavit to Wilson outlining the evidence against the boys, but declined to make it public. Police say the boys Tuesday dressed themselves in camouflage suits normally used for hunting, then hid in a wooded area near Westside Middle School and fired 27 times with high-powered rifle and pistols at schoolmates they had lured outside with afalse fire alarm. The bullets struck 15 people, killing five of them. Six of the wounded were still at the hospital Wednesday, one of them in critical condition. Wilson set an April 29 hearing to determine the boys' fate, although Davis said it would likely be postponed as lawyers on both sides built their cases. The boys will be tried as juveniles, which means Wilson will not decide their guilt or innocence, but whether they were delinquent. Under Arkansas law, if found delinquent the boys could normally be held in jail only until they turn 18. Under special circumstances they could stay behind bars until they turn 21. For an adult carrying out such a crime, a capital murder conviction could bring the death penalty. Davis said he still hoped to try the boys as adults, perhaps on other charges. ``We're still exploring all options,'' hesaid. Jonesboro, a usually quiet town of 46,000 in northeast Arkansas, tried to deal with the shock of the carnage, but residents also expressed anger at the idea that the killers might be free to walk the streets in just a few years. ``I don't care how old they is. Nobody who done that should ever get loose,'' said Gaston Guire, a farmer in his 60s. Most of those who knew him said Johnson was a quiet boy who regularly attended church but that he had recently become more sullen and told fellow students he was in a gang. Fellow students said he may have gone over the edge after a girlfriend, one of the 10 wounded in the attack, ditched him. ``He said 'nobody's going to break up with me,''' student Jennifer Nightengale told reporters. ``He told us that tomorrow you will find out if you live or die,'' said another student, Melinda Henson. Golden's grandfather, Doug Golden, said he thought Johnson had put the younger boy up to the shooting spree, and that they deliberately fired on girls. ``They were selected because of their sex or who they was. It was not a random shooting where you just shoot out there because if that were true you'd hit as many boys as girls,'' Golden said in an interview with ABC Primetime. The young Golden was no stranger to guns. His father was a member of a local gun club and trained the young boy to hunt and shoot targets. His grandfather said the boys stole three rifles and four pistols from his home to use in the attack. They had dozens of rounds of ammunition on them when they were arrested minutes after the shooting, and NBC
L&I Jones: March 25th Summary
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Prosecutors called their last witnesses to the stand today, providing more damaging testimony against Reco Jones as two police officers told the jury that Jones confessed to the murders of Yolanda Bellamy and her two children and niece and nephew after his arrest. Officer Monica Childs, the first investigator to interview Jones when he was brought to the Detroit Police Department's downtown headquarters the afternoon of Aug. 13, 1997, said Jones waived his right to remain silent and proceeded to engage in a lengthy conversation with her that culminated with the defendant allegedly saying, "You knew all day it was me. You knew I went to Yolanda's house. You knew I did it.'' Childs said she first asked Jones when was the last time he saw Yolanda. Jones said early in the morning and then proceeded to tell the officer he went to Yolanda's when it was still dark. According to Childs, Jones said he and Bellamy argued, and the victim made threats against his family and his mother. Jones started to choke her, long enough for her to stop resisting. The defendant said he then left the house. Jones allegedly told Childs he saw Nathan Jr. and Nathan III in the living room but did not know if they were hurt at the time. Later that morning, according to Childs's account, Jones headed for work when he changed course and wound up at Maliaka Martin's house. At one point in the interview, Childs said, Jones began crying. He told her he wanted to tell her what happened to the kids, but he also said he wanted to talk with his mother first before telling Childs the rest of the story. Childs, however, said she was unsuccessful in reaching Jones's mother. Childs said that later Jones asked her if she believed a person can do something very bad while in a frenzy but cannot stop himself. When Childs replied, "No," this apparently sparked Jones's "you know I did it" outburst. Jones's defense focused its efforts on Childs, questioning why she did not somehow tape or otherwise record her interview with him. Childs answered that that was against department policy, and state law does not require police to record interviews. And defense attorney John McWilliams made an effort to point out to the jury that at no time in the hours upon hours of police interviews did Jones admit to stabbing the five victims to death. Sgt. Reginald Harvel interrogated Jones after Officer Childs. He testified that the defendant was upset and crying after his arrest, saying that he had cared for the victim. Jones allegedly described to the officer how Bellamy had told him that she was pregnant with his child but was going to refuse to carry out the pregnancy. Because of this, Jones allegedly confessed to Harvel, he "snapped" and killed Bellamy. Jones then told Harvel that he needed to be alone. The officer left the room briefly, but when he returned, he saw Jones climbing out the window. Harvel tearfully recalled Jones telling him to get away from him, saying that jumping was "something he just had to do." Jones jumped as Harvel reached for him and fell several stories onto the concrete below. The defendant survived the suicide attempt but suffered a broken elbow and various internal injuries. In addition to police testimony, blood expert Cathy Carr returned to the stand to finish her cross-examination by the defense. Carr admitted that she was not aware that police reports did not note any cuts on Jones. (Officer Childs and another police officer, Steven Yakimovich, would later testify that Jones did have a cut on his right hand. But neither of them noted the cut in a police report or took pictures of the cut itself.) She also said that no blood was found in his fingernail scrapings or on the alleged murder weapon. (But there was prior testimony that Jones had washed his hands and the knife after the slayings). Carr did not conduct a similar test of Maliaka Martin, who had helped Jones attempt to cover up his alleged role in the murders. The state is expected to wrap its case in the morning by calling Rauol Williams, an inmate who roomed with Jones. He is expected to testify that Jones confessed the murders to him. Williams is also expected to say that Jones admitted to jumping out the police headquarters window but planned to sue by claiming officers pushed him. Finally, Williams will testify that Jones asked him if he would kill Maliaka Martin. The defense for Reco Jones has begun their case today (Thursday) Reco Jones is on the stand testifying. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Johnson: March 25 summary
Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a half-day of testimony today, the mother of Jasmine Miller, Crystal Miller, returned to the stand and again tried to deflect defense insinuations that she was a mother frustrated by her sudden new life with her daughter. Crystal reiterated that she was not upset about the pregnancy ending her college career and causing her to lose her track scholarship. However, Crystal admitted that when police asked her whether she and her husband Travis had domestic problems, she told them that they were going through "rough times." Crystal also told them that the only time she had handled Jasmine roughly was during a time when the baby refused to conform to her sleep schedule, and Crystal had to leave her in the crib crying while she went to work. However, the prosecution continued in its effort to prove Suzanne Johnson is a murderous child abuser by calling witnesses who spoke to her on the day of Jasmine's death. YMCA supervisor Christi Cain testified Johnson called her on the morning of June 24, 1997 and expressed concern that the YMCA was not going to subsidize Jasmine's care. Cain said Johnson sounded frustrated and said that she was no longer going to provide care for Jasmine Miller because things were not working out. Travis and Crystal Miller's case manager at the YMCA, Elyse Tarmo, testified that she processed Crystal Miller's paperwork that notified the YMCA of her job at Olan Mills photography. Miller's failure to provide this paperwork earlier to the YMCA upset Johnson because she thought the YMCA would refuse to pay her. Tarmo said she called Johnson to assure her everything had been worked out, but the defendant was abrupt on the phone. Robert Shands, a police officer who responded to defendant Suzanne Johnson's 911 call the on day of the incident also came to the stand and said that Johnson seemed unusually unemotional at the scene. (Prosecutors hope that this makes Johnson appear suspicious in the death of baby Jasmine.) Johnson told Shands that Jasmine had vomited and was choking on her vomit. According to Shands, Johnson never told him that Jasmine had fallen out of a high chair. Jurors had a chance to listen to an audiotape of Johnson's call to police, and she seemed frantic. Throughout the tape, Johnson nervously tells the paramedic that Jasmine is lifeless and not breathing. Each time the defendant performs CPR on the child, she asks, "Why won't she breathe?" in frustration. Forensic pathologist Thomas Washington was also called to the stand, and he identified various items that were at the scene of the incident. Court ended early today and will not be in session again until Friday, March 27 because of the prior commitment by the presiding judge. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Re: Update Ruthann Aron trial
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jury's been out two days, and has said at least once that they don't think they can reacy a unanimous verdict. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Badtimes Virus :)
DocCec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In a message dated 98-03-25 20:34:15 EST, you write: << If you receive an e-mail with a subject line of "Badtimes," delete it immediately WITHOUT reading it. This is the most dangerous E-mail virus yet. It will completely re- write your hard drive. Not only that, but it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It also demagnetizes the strips on all your credit cards, reprograms your ATM access code, screws up the tracking on your VCR and uses subspace field harmonics to scratch any CDs you try to play. It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream melts and your milk curdles. It will give your ex- boy/girlfriend your new phone number. This viru >> Ya gotta love it!!! Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
