[LegacyUG] Remove me from your mailing list
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Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff
What happens after 01/26/20? Can't update at this time. > On January 22, 2020 at 10:33 AM Michele Lewis > wrote: > > > ANNOUNCEMENT: > > We just released an update that is a priority. This update has our new > Windows security certificates which will be good for 3 years. Please update > before January 26, 2020. > > If you are a Legacy Deluxe user you can update via the Legacy home tab. If > you are a free standard version user you can update here: > > https://legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadUpdate.asp > > You can also see the complete Revision List for this update here: > https://legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory9.asp > > > Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR > Legacy Educator > Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > www.legacyfamilytree.com > > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Cemetery and Burial notes
What are (or meant by) Modified Register reports? -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Censational Census Strategies by Mary Kircher Roddy
The original message to the list is in the attachment. This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages without conversion to attachments should use a different email address for their subscription. Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com. Many other email providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.--- Begin Message --- Geoff, is there a Webinar that details all the regular websites you use when doing your researchand whether they are sites that require subscription or not. You noted several in the "Unlocked" book --which I found to be an extremely helpful book. And one other thing...when do you "declare" that a particular research subject is in FACT the one that links to your tree. There are several that I've found that seemingly are linked, but the absolute conclusive evidence might not be there. ThanksSteve Benjamin On Mon Jul 03 2017 12:05:49 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time), Geoff Rasmussen wrote: The US Federal census and its “little brother,” the state census, are among the major workhorses of genealogical research. But are you getting the most out of them? This presentation presents 20+ tips for finding missing ancestors and mining the census for more clues for follow-up research. Join us and Mary Kircher Roddy for the live webinar Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 2pm Eastern U.S. Register today to reserve your virtual seat. Registration is free but space is limited to the first 1,000 people to join that day. Before joining, please visit www.java.com to ensure you have the latest version of Java which our webinar software requires. When you join, if you receive a message that the webinar is full, you know we've reached the 1,000 limit, so we invite you to view the recording which should be published to the webinar archives within an hour or two of the event's conclusion. Download the syllabus In preparation for the webinar, download the supplemental syllabus materials here. Or register for multiple webinars at once by clicking here. Not sure if you already registered? Login to view your registration status for this webinar (available for annual or monthly webinar subscribers). Test Your Webinar Connection To ensure that your webinar connection is ready to go, click here. Can't make it to the live event? No worries. Its recording will be available for a limited time. Webinar Subscribers have unlimited access to all webinar recordings for the duration of their membership. About the presenters Mary Roddy, a Certified Public Accountant, has been a genealogist since 2000, becoming interested in the subject in anticipation of an extended trip to Ireland. She earned a certificate from the Genealogy and Family History program at the University of Washington in 2005. She lectures frequently on various genealogical topics in the Seattle area and at conferences across the country. She has written a number of articles for Internet Genealogy, Family Chronicle (now Your Genealogy Today) as well as Speak! (the publication of the Genealogical Speakers Guild) and FGS Forum. Mary also writes a regular blog at www.mkrgenealogy.com/searching-for-stories-blog. She is a participant in ProGen 31. Add it to your Google Calendar With our Google Calendar button, you will never forget our upcoming webinars. Simply click the button to add it to your calendar. You can then optionally embed the webinar events (and even turn them on and off) into your own personal calendar. If you have already added the calendar, you do not have to do it again - the new webinar events will automatically appear. Webinar time The webinar will be live on Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at: - 2pm Eastern (U.S.) - 1pm Central - 12pm Mountain - 11am Pacific Or use this Time Zone Converter. Here's how to attend: - Register at www.FamilyTreeWebinars.com today. It's free! - You will receive a confirmation email containing a link to the webinar. - You will receive a reminder email both 1 day and 1 hour prior to the live webinar. - Calculate your time zone by clicking here. - Make sure you have the latest version of Java installed on your computer. Check at www.java.com. - Check your GoToWebinar connection here. - Click on the webinar link (found in confirmation and reminder emails) prior to the start of the webinar. Arrive early as the room size is limited to the first 1,000 arrivals that day. - Listen via headset (USB headsets work best), your computer speakers, or by phone. We look forward to seeing you all there! Thanks, Geoff RasmussenMillennia corporationge...@legacyfamilytree.comwww.legacyfamilytree.comwww.familytreewebinars.com-- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.co
[LegacyUG] Legacy won't open at all...Fatal
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search 101
Michele, Many thanks for your link to " FamilySearch - Training" and its reference to the Riverton FamilySearch Library. I found the library to be an incredible repository of information on all subjects and got so caught up in going through it that I forgot my original quest. Steve - Original Message - From: "Michele/Support" To: "Legacy User Group" Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 8:27:01 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search 101 Carl, Everything you need to know is here :) http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-01035 Michele Technical Support Millennia Corporation mich...@legacyfamilytree.com www.legacyfamilytree.com -Original Message- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Carl Hilton Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 11:02 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] Family Search 101 Ok, Is there an easy tutorial on how to use this function in Legacy? I sometimes find good information but when I try to copy it over/merge it with my information, I end up with ALT dates. Say I have just the year and Family Search has the entire date, I would have thought it would be easy to press a button and have the information copied. Thanks, Carl Hilton car...@live.com 843-345- www.ecmm.biz -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Toolbar Ribbon
1.4? - Original Message - From: "Sherry" To: "Legacy User Group" Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 3:18:54 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Toolbar Ribbon Jo, Go to Options > Customize > 1.3 and select "Start with ribbon minimized" Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Josefpoi < josef...@mail.com > wrote: Is there an option somewhere that can have the toolbar ribbon minimised at startup of Legacy, as opposed to always having to click on the upward pointing arrowhead each time I use LFT -- Jo Poi -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] New Email Process
Okay, I don't get it. Since I sent this 03/19/16 email, I stopped receiving any group emails in my spam folder even though I made no changes of any kind any place. However, I also stopped receiving many emails period, including Webinar announcements. Looking on the archives, there have been approximately 86 entries since 03/20/16 of which I am guessing that I have received about 10. For today, 03/28/16, there are 10 entries yet the only one that I have received is the one from Brian/Support regarding Attachments. What is going on? Steve - Original Message - From: "STEPHEN" To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 5:13:04 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] New Email Process I have been on this list for approximately 9 years and have received immense benefit from it but I am now afraid that this may be coming to an end. Recently I have been receiving a few emails in my inbox as they should, some emails with attachments which has been explained e.g. yahoo and which I will not open but will instead delete immediately, and the majority have been received in my spam folder which again I will not open. At this moment, I have received 10 emails in my inbox and 46 emails in my spam folder for the period of 03/16/16 - 03/19/16. I also know that some emails are never received at all. As an example of my frustration, I received Pat Hickin's email in my inbox inquiring about creating a Comprehensive PDF which immediately attracted my interest. This was followed by two emails responding to this which seemed to imply that Michele had furnished the answer. However I had not received that. I then found Michele's response in my spam folder which again I will not open. I next decided to check the archives believing that the entire thread would be readable there. However, I there discovered that the archive hadn't been updated since 03/15/16 so there was no Comprehensive PDF thread. I finally found it updated today, 03/19/16, with the thread including Michele's solution which was great. I understand Ken McGinnis' explanation of MailServers altering headers, etc., leading to spam issues. However, I do not understand why I can receive Pat Hickin in my inbox and have received Michele there also on other occasions, yet Michele responding to Pat goes into spam. It seems that there should be some degree of consistency in the handling. So my question is whether there is any hope for improvement? If there is, I will try to stick it out because I have always liked this list. If, however, this is the way it is going to be, I will be submitting an unsubscribe request. If I can't receive information in my inbox and I can't rely on the archives, then there is no benefit. And please don't tell me to change email providers as it is a little late for that. I have been using Xfinity/Comcast webmail for over 10 years and I have it configured the way that I want it with some 170 folders for storage. Hoping for an optimistic response. Steve -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
[LegacyUG] New Email Process
I have been on this list for approximately 9 years and have received immense benefit from it but I am now afraid that this may be coming to an end. Recently I have been receiving a few emails in my inbox as they should, some emails with attachments which has been explained e.g. yahoo and which I will not open but will instead delete immediately, and the majority have been received in my spam folder which again I will not open. At this moment, I have received 10 emails in my inbox and 46 emails in my spam folder for the period of 03/16/16 - 03/19/16. I also know that some emails are never received at all. As an example of my frustration, I received Pat Hickin's email in my inbox inquiring about creating a Comprehensive PDF which immediately attracted my interest. This was followed by two emails responding to this which seemed to imply that Michele had furnished the answer. However I had not received that. I then found Michele's response in my spam folder which again I will not open. I next decided to check the archives believing that the entire thread would be readable there. However, I there discovered that the archive hadn't been updated since 03/15/16 so there was no Comprehensive PDF thread. I finally found it updated today, 03/19/16, with the thread including Michele's solution which was great. I understand Ken McGinnis' explanation of MailServers altering headers, etc., leading to spam issues. However, I do not understand why I can receive Pat Hickin in my inbox and have received Michele there also on other occasions, yet Michele responding to Pat goes into spam. It seems that there should be some degree of consistency in the handling. So my question is whether there is any hope for improvement? If there is, I will try to stick it out because I have always liked this list. If, however, this is the way it is going to be, I will be submitting an unsubscribe request. If I can't receive information in my inbox and I can't rely on the archives, then there is no benefit. And please don't tell me to change email providers as it is a little late for that. I have been using Xfinity/Comcast webmail for over 10 years and I have it configured the way that I want it with some 170 folders for storage. Hoping for an optimistic response. Steve -- ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscrib...
After several hundred of these emails with no end in sight, I now understand the reason for Donald Trump's political success. - Original Message - From: "Shirley J. Miller" To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:57:42 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Unsubscrib... please unsubscribe me for now: sjdhm...@gmail.com...Thanks ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com ___ LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates
Again Brian, thank you for your support. Steve - Original Message - From: "Brian/Support" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:06:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates They might but you can protect the timeline file by changing the file name. You will find the timeline files in the Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Timelines\English folder. If you give it a different file name only the original US Wars.txt file will be updated by Legacy in an update. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 16/02/2016 17:07, STEPHEN wrote: > Thank you, Brian, for your response. I shall follow your advice and edit for > two events. Does this mean, however, that my edits/additions will be wiped > out if new or modified timeline files are supplied as a result of Legacy > updates or new version? > > Steve > > - Original Message - > > From: "Brian/Support" > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:39:18 PM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates > > If you select the report options tab and turn on the timeline column > then the duration for events will be displayed in the timeline as a > horizontal bar between the start and end dates. Only the start date will > be included in the event list though. > > If you want to mark the start and end of the event in the chronological > list you can edit the timeline files to have two events, one for the > Start of WW II on 1 Sep 1939 and the second to mark the end on 2 Sep 1945. > > Brian > Customer Support > Millennia Corporation > br...@legacyfamilytree.com > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > On 15/02/2016 22:20, STEPHEN wrote: >> >> Legacy supplied timeline, e.g. US Wars contain both a start date and an end >> date. When I add it to Chronology view/report, only the start date is >> displayed. For example, Word War II displays as 1939 Sep 1 while 1945-09-02 >> is not displayed. How can I use both the start date and the end date for any >> timeline event? > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates
Thank you, Brian, for your response. I shall follow your advice and edit for two events. Does this mean, however, that my edits/additions will be wiped out if new or modified timeline files are supplied as a result of Legacy updates or new version? Steve - Original Message - From: "Brian/Support" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:39:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates If you select the report options tab and turn on the timeline column then the duration for events will be displayed in the timeline as a horizontal bar between the start and end dates. Only the start date will be included in the event list though. If you want to mark the start and end of the event in the chronological list you can edit the timeline files to have two events, one for the Start of WW II on 1 Sep 1939 and the second to mark the end on 2 Sep 1945. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 15/02/2016 22:20, STEPHEN wrote: > > Legacy supplied timeline, e.g. US Wars contain both a start date and an end > date. When I add it to Chronology view/report, only the start date is > displayed. For example, Word War II displays as 1939 Sep 1 while 1945-09-02 > is not displayed. How can I use both the start date and the end date for any > timeline event? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Timeline End Dates
Legacy supplied timeline, e.g. US Wars contain both a start date and an end date. When I add it to Chronology view/report, only the start date is displayed. For example, Word War II displays as 1939 Sep 1 while 1945-09-02 is not displayed. How can I use both the start date and the end date for any timeline event? - Original Message - Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails?
On the two points that have been raised for this issue, 1) I frequently will not receive any email from the list for several days and then it starts again. I simply go online to the archives where I always find that there is none for the missing days. Apparently everybody had other things to do. No problem. 2) As stated by CE, I constantly receive posts replying to previous posts that I never received. Fortunately the previous posts are usually embedded in the replies so I can tell what the subject is. Steve - Original Message - From: "CE WOOD" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:07:27 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails? It addition to the random, capricious dropping of subscribers, I all too often get posts that are answering posts that I never got. So many other lists work without a hitch, it is too bad Legacy can't. CE From: g...@representative.com To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails? Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:34:40 +0100 I also, like many on this list, don't always get emails from the group. Often a whole week goes by without any email at all, which is most unusual for this group, and then they start up again. I have no idea why and I don't know how to re-set any of the preferences. I don't know if I miss any emails since I don't get a long backlog when they start up again. Maybe everyone is just quiet now and then? So I guess that's just how it is. Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 5:27 PM From: "Ed Ladendorf" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Why don't I receive emails? I belonged to this list a while ago, but somehow got taken off. After trying several times to re-subscribe with no success, I finally gave up. Trying to subscribe again, gets me the notice that it was successful. But still no emails. Not even in my Spam box. Any suggestions? I'm using the archives now. Ed Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What is the current version?
To Brian in CA, not clear as to how the body which references 515, 516, and 517 answers the question in the subject. And Sherry, I do worry about the numbers. I am not blindly downloading whenever an update is available but am waiting to see what falls out of it. If there are complaints about version xxx, then I want to know if that is your current version, my current version, or one in between. And it doesn't help when I click on information for 516 which takes me to information referencing 515 (which I not assume doesn't exist). - Original Message - From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 5:29:38 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] What is the current version? I think the body of your message answered your question in the subject. Brian in CA From: STEPHEN [mailto:stephen.gra...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 4:12 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] What is the current version? The 09/07/15 Legacy News tells me that a Family Tree Update is now available (Version 8.0.0.516). When I click on continue reading in the newsletter to go to the website, it tells me that Version 8.0.0.515 is available (as of 09/04/15). The Legacy Home tab in the software states that an available version is 8.0.0.517. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] What is the current version?
The 09/07/15 Legacy News tells me that a Family Tree Update is now available (Version 8.0.0.516). When I click on continue reading in the newsletter to go to the website, it tells me that Version 8.0.0.515 is available (as of 09/04/15). The Legacy Home tab in the software states that an available version is 8.0.0.517. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?
I agree. This has long since reached the dead horse stage. - Original Message - From: "William Hoff" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:13:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married? Let's drop this On Apr 8, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Susan Stuhlsatz-Reese < susieskinc...@yahoo.com > wrote: I confess that I don't share much optimism for these kind of changes either to be made in the software either. Yet, the LDS member who guided my group of boy scouts in their genealogy merit badge stated that he liked finding a messy family in his line and the messier the better. That gives me hope. My LDS neighbor loved scrapbooking tidbits of the lives of her family, not just how they passed DNA. That also gives me hope. Surely holy people can remain holy despite these things in the world that are outside their control. What an interesting time we are living in. Why not document it? Regards, Sue On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:53 PM, John Lisle < leg...@johnlisle.com > wrote: Mike, It will change. I did not suggest when. The owners are LDS, but the great majority of their users are not LDS, and even Utah now allows (begrudgingly) same sex marriages. Their LDS membership does not seem to be the controlling factor. Messages I have seen from them seem very sincere that this is something they want to fix. Not only do they have to change their data model, but they also have to make significant in a lot of their tools, reports, etc. john. At 02:35 PM 4/8/2015, MikeFry wrote: >On 2015/04/08 19:18 PM, John Lisle wrote: > > > One of the major knocks on Legacy by reviewers is that it does not > > support same sex relationships. I happen to know that the data model > > for Legacy was created long before the first gay marriage was legal > > in the US and, unfortunately, changing this is not going to be easy, > > but it is going to happen as so much of Legacy's customer base now > > needs it. It is needed because Legacy is a Family History program and > > now such relationships are becoming increasingly common within most > > folks family history. > >I don't share your optimism that Legacy will be changed. The founders of the >company are, I believe, LDS members and that fact would mitigate >against such a >change. > >-- >Regards, >Mike Fry (Jhb) > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > >Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > >Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) >and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). > >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: You do not have permission to post to the legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com list
I had a similar issue to Paula earlier this month where I suddenly stopped receiving anything from the user group even though I had been subscribed for years. I sent an email to the group raising this issue and received back the "You do not have permission to post..." message. I then communicated this to Support where Jim manually resubscribed me. However, he could not identify the when, how, and why as to why I had been removed, stating that they didn't have any means of tracking such things. Also, I am not using Yahoo. - Original Message - From: "Sherry" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:02:12 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: You do not have permission to post to the legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com list Yahoo mail is a real problem for us. They've done some things to their headers which supposedly stop spammers and it's caused problems for all sorts of lists, unless you're posing to a Yahoo group! I'd recommend using a different email address for contacting us and sending emails to the list - see if that doesn't make a difference. I know Yahoo doesn't work using our Problem Report Form so it's not just our email list software. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Sharon Bolte wrote: > You're not alone, Paula. I have gotten this message for YEARS. I report it > and they reset my account because I cannot receive the LUG emails!! I then > tell them (again) I receive them just fine, but cannot reply to them. Then > I'm questioned about how I reply ... duh ... hit the REPLY button. > > This happened again this week. I was told that some people have a 'bounce' > problem and something somewhere thinks I might be spam. I don't know what > bounces where, but I hadn't tried to reply to a post since August 2014. > > If this makes it to the list, it will be the first once since Hector was a > pup. Good thing I never have anything important to contribute! > > Good luck!! > > > From: Paula Ryburn > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 10:11 PM > Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: You do not have permission to post to the > legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com list > > Was I removed due to inactivity? Because I've been on the list for years. > Please remind me how to subscribe again. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Make a Family File Read-Only?
The semantics of Windows' READONLY bit on files is not the same as Linux' Immutable attribute (immutability on Linux requires 'root' to set/unset) -- i don't know if there's a true equivalent. So, i'd suggest that given that you have no control over Legacy's insistence that it erase the READONLY bit [1], that you try to use elevated privileges (another account at least) to set ACLs on the file(s) in question to allow READ by Everyone (or those in question), but only allow full-control by an elevated account. You may have to use TAKEOWN to make the files owned by an elevated account. (or just try copying your database into another account's Once you've done all this, i bet you will run into Legacy fatally faulting and exiting, however (which is why i'm not bothering to test the validity of my theory). I suspect the engineers have made the assumption that they MUST have write access to the file, and there's either deliberate code conditionals that gracefully exit the program, or ungracefully take an exception. I don't know if there are restrictions on mention of other vendor products on this list (etiquette #2 is just seems advisory), and i have no direct experience, but you can find products that can take GEDCOM and create directly runnable EXEs or do view only of GEDCOM data. google: "gedcom view-only". (yes, i do know that GEDCOM interchange is lossy) Anyway I will +1 the idea that Legacy should have a View-Only mode. (preferably selectable as a field value inside the Access database with associated UI controls) --stephen [1] IMHO, this behavior (silently altering filesystem metadata for objects that are normally user-controlled ) is bad practice. the program should issue a warning or error message that it can not proceed due to the files being READONLY . (In a Perfect World...). I do, however, understand the "lowest common denominator" user-targeted programming model that's common on Windows and the "support overhead" arguments being made in this thread -- but I'm an advocate for at least having "Advanced User" modes that can be enabled where sensibility takes over again. Don't know how much engineering changes would need to be made to the program to support a VIEW-ONLY mode. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Brian/Support wrote: > Legacy has no option to prevent changes to files. > > Brian > Customer Support > Millennia Corporation > br...@legacyfamilytree.com > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > On 13/03/2015 12:46 PM, GeoPappas wrote: > > Is there any way to make a family file read-only within the application? > > > > I have created a family file that I would like to prevent from getting > > changes. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > -- Stephen Dowdy (stephen.do...@gmail.com) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug
Thank you, Pierre. I agree. - Original Message - From: "Pierre Simoneau" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:39:39 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug Let's end this discussion. I know Cancel is Cancel and Save is Save and Narrow Minded is Narrow Minded. De : MikeFry À : legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Envoyé le : jeudi 12 février 2015 16h46 Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes - Another bug On 2015/02/12 10:08 PM, Paul Gray wrote: > My vote is that 'Cancel" should close the window and not save any data. To > me, clicking 'Cancel' is the opposite of 'Save' and the user has indicated > their intention. Don't forget the keyboard. The ESC key should also cancel a window. -- Regards, Mike Fry (Jhb) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] sentence override
Can't one revert from 8 to 7.5 using a Legacy 7.5 backup? - Original Message - From: "CE WOOD" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:02:12 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] sentence override You're not doing anything wrong. This is another instance of a major bug in Events overrides. It has been reported before, but not in the Marriage Event. How discouraging that Legacy 8 is unusable in its major strong suit, which used to be allowing for individual tweaking. They have s many bugs to fix, create more when they fix some, and seem unable to keep up. No wonder smart people still use 7.5. There is truth in the old adage, "if it ain't broke". Legacy 7.5 is wonderful, but they have so much to do trying to keep 8 going that they can't support 7.5 any more. All the bells and whistles in the world don't matter when you can't do the basics. It was certainly released much too early. I hope they get their act together soon. I know of more that 50 people who have abandoned Legacy 8, some reverting to 7.5 via the less than ideal means of a GEDCOM, and others who need a stable database. SIGH! Why spoil a good track record with this? Hang in there or revert to 7.5 if need be until they get on track. CE > From: genealogylady...@verizon.net > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] sentence override > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:41:27 -0400 > > I must be doing something wrong. I am using Legacy 8.0.8.454 on a > Windows 7 computer. I have added a Marriage License event to a person > instead of a couple since I don't plan on adding the spouse (unless he > is otherwise connected to the family). Without the override it says she > got a license to marry herself. So in the override I add > > [FirstName] obtained a license to marry [Desc] [onDate]. where [Desc] is > the name of the spouse. > > I expect to see that she obtained a license to marry so and so on such > and such a date. > > But the date doesn't show up. Just that she obtained a license to marry > so and so. > > Not sure what I'm doing wrong. > -- > Kirstin Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations
I always use periods after middle initials to indicate that it is an initial. My grandfather was first name Frank and he had no middle name. He used the letter M as a middle name to differentiate himself from another Frank in the town so he was always referenced as Frank M in all sources, e.g. papers, etc. - Original Message - From: "Jerry" To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:18:20 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations Can some of you professional genealogists tell me why or if it is recommended to continue to use periods after abbreviations, especially with middle names where only the initial is known? It seems that in this computer age, we could safely omit those periods. It won't cause any concerns for search engines, right? Is there a way to turn off the suggestion in Legacy 8 so as not to be reminded if periods are not used in abbreviations? I'm not speaking of place names - I realize those names should be completely spelled out for accuracy (ie, don't use USA, MI, Mich, etc). Thanks, Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp