Re: Going to the bottom of the page

[Sarah k Alawami]

the cmd you want is vo fn shift end. if you are on a regular keyboard, that is 
a full size key board the cmd is just vo shift end.

Take care. 
On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Juaanita Marttin  wrote:

> In Safari, what is the command for going to the bottom of a page?
> Thanks.
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In Safari, what is the command for going to the bottom of a page?
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Amazon Prim app

[Glenn]

Hi,
I am using an iPhone 5, and I am an Amazon Prime member, it's like NetFlix.
Has anyone here tried this app?
The Home screen in this app keeps refreshing, and when I go to the watch 
list, and I select something, like an episode of a TV series, the app 
closes.
I am running IOS 7.4.
I need to contact Amazon and suggest that they make their app work better 
with VO.
Glenn

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Re: issue with the newest key note

[Sarah k Alawami]

Ah right now i'm working in outline view as for me it's just easier to work 
with and I can see what happens  and how many slides I have. I don't need 
animations at the moment, but at least they're there. I wish though the 
navatater the one that is the default would speak slide numbers as you arrow 
though the table with out the use of the vo keys. It for me does not.

Take care. 
On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:15 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello!
> I am glad I can be of help. I love the new keynote,b because even the 
> animations are accessible for us. Take a look on the help file, you will find 
> amazing things!
> we keep in touch! Enjoy and take care!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 06/02/2014, a las 20:37, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
> 
>> Thanks. Yeah I'lldo that after I have my slides complete. I'm finding that 
>> outline view is working very well for me as I can see how many slides I 
>> have.  and right now I'm behind by 6. Bleh! 
>> 
>> Thanks and take care. 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello again Sara:
>>> So create transitions you can do the following:
>>> 1. When you have your slides complete, you can add transitions in each 
>>> slide. When you add a transition, you will add it on the slide which will 
>>> start with it. So, select the slide for which you want the transition in 
>>> the slide browser.
>>> 2. stop interacting with all and go to the toolbar, then check the Animate 
>>> Checkbox.
>>> 3. Go to the formatting tool and you will be placed at an Animate pane, 
>>> where you have to locate the Add transition button.
>>> 4. When you select the transition you want, bo to the transition formatting 
>>> tool, and there you can adjust the duration and if you want them to occur 
>>> automatically. I would leave it as it is, so you pass the slides as you 
>>> wish.
>>> 5. You stop interacting with all and you are done.
>>> VoiceOver doesn’t speak if a slide has a transition or not, but if it does 
>>> and by mistake you want to put it again, you will find a Change button 
>>> instead of the add transition button.
>>> I really hope it helps you, an if I can help you more, contact me again.
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 05/02/2014, a las 16:17, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
>>> 
 I want a transition between slides. I cannot find a way to do this. I also 
 want the last slide to be blank and black. 
 
 Tc. 
 
> On Feb 4, 2014, at 22:48, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sara!
> To edit a title body or text body, just interact with the rectangle and 
> bring the mouse. Then Vo+Shift+space. If you have your mouse follow Vo 
> cursor, you don’t need to bring the mouse.
> Can you be a little more specific on the transitions issue? Take care and 
> hope it helps!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> El 05/02/2014, a las 00:40, Sarah k Alawami  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Hello to all. In using the new  key note I"m noticing that when I press 
>> enter to edit a title, or the body of my slide my text disappears. Is 
>> there a way to solve this as I have a presentation due in a week and I 
>> can't have that happen as it will I'm sure dock if I forget a slide or 
>> leave a slide blank. Also how do I have the transitions fade  in and out 
>> from black to what ever then fade to black
>> 
>> Take care  to all and sorry if this rambles a bit. I have one of my 
>> migraines again.
>> 
>> Be blessed all.
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Re: YoruFukuru help

[Sarah k Alawami]

They will not be displayed in the table. I think twitter changed something in 
their api. I don't know what but I have the same trouble in my lists. You will 
not find the ones I linked to in the pod catcher ad I only hove the 10 latest 
episodes to keep the xml file smaller then a meg. You will have to dig through 
the site and do a search for yorufukurou.

Take care. 
On Feb 7, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Catherine Turner 
 wrote:

> Hi Dane, Sarah,
> 
> Thanks for the info on how to find and follow a user Dane.
> 
> Sarah great, I'll have a listen to those podcasts.  I subscribe to
> tffp in my pod catcher Icatcher but just had a look through episodes
> not downloaded and the ones you link to don't seem to be listed.
> Wonder if I need to look back further or maybe you had a different
> feed address before...
> 
> The next difficulty I'm having is trying to look at older tweets than
> the ones currently being displayed.  Need to go back over the last few
> days and they're not displayed in the table.  Went to preferences and
> told it to display 800 tweets but it doesn't seem to have done this.
> 
> In an attempt to find help on this went into the help menu.  Always
> struggle with help menus on the Mac, VO normally says "search results
> interactive" and I then can't get anything spoken and normally give up
> and press escape.  This time I thought, since it was described as
> search results interactive, I'll try typing something in there.  So
> typed "older" meaning to search help for "older", pressed Enter, upon
> which I sent out a tweet just saying "older".  How embarrassing.
> Maybe people will think it's my birthday? lol Will have a listen to
> the podcasts next anyway...
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Catherine
> 
> On 2/6/14, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> Here you go.
>> 
>> http://www.tffppodcast.com/a-look-at-yorufukurou-a-twitter-client-for-the-mac/
>> 
>> I go over everything except the appearance tab as I can't see it but  yeah
>> there you go.
>> 
>> also this but it was done under ml.
>> 
>> http://www.tffppodcast.com/02-looking-at-mountain-lion-the-finder-yorufukurou-and-some-of-the-system-prefs/
>> 
>> Take care and happy thursday.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Catherine Turner
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've just installed YoruFukurou and wonder if anyone can give me some
>>> tips to get me started?  At the moment I can't figure out how to
>>> search for a user and then follow them.  I found a search box in the
>>> toolbar but not sure it did anything when I typed there...can anyone
>>> help with how to find users and any other getting started tips you
>>> think mint be useful?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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Ipad Mini - Editing/Deleting E-mails

[Eleanor Burke]

On my iPhone, I can go to Thrash, edit and delete.  I do not appear to have 
this choice on the iPad Mini.  Am I missing something or is the option not 
there?  I seem to have to delete each e-mail from thrash separately. 


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accessible app to watch the Olympics

[meadowlark77]

Hello y'all,

Is there an accessible app we can watch the Olympics with? I tried the 
NBC app, but couldn't get it. My cable service, which is Cox, has an app 
called Cox Connect, but it's less than accessible with VoiceOver. Is there 
anything we can do about this? What's happening here is that my 91-year-old 
friend suddenly decides to take up residence in the living room and then if 
I want to hear the Olympics until the broadcasts are over, well, say until 
one or two in the morning, I can't because she is hassled by me doing this. 
So, I'm needing an app.

Thanks in advance,

Brenda

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Do I need to reset the display in maverick?

[trevor]

I have noticed in a few apps and windows, that maverick or voice over 
doesn’t seem to see the window properly.
For instance, in mail, when I arrow from message to message, it says blank and 
then reads the message and, when I am in app store it says, that the app store 
has no windows, but it still reads what is there.
Is there something I need to reset to make it see everything the way it used to?

Thank you,

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Re: reading books on the mac with Ibooks.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Stuart,

I’m no expert with iBooks, but this is how I make it work for me.

When I open iBooks, I’m on Library list where I can interact and select a book. 
I press Cmd-o and the book opens.
This is where it gets complicated.
When you first open a book, it will open at the beginning. You have to find the 
scroll area and interact with HTML content. VO-a will read continuously through 
one chapter.
There is a Next Chapter command, but it doesn’t seem to work.
I can display the chapter I want by pressing Cmd-t to show the Table of 
contents, then turning cursor tracking off and interacting with the table. I 
navigate to the place I want, bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5), do a VO-Shift-Space 
and turn cursor tracking back on.
I then locate the scroll area and interact with each HTML content area until I 
find the right one.

Every time I select another chapter, it seems to add it to the number of HTML 
areas displayed.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi all.
> How would i go about using Ibooks to read books on the mac? i have managed to 
> download a book that i would like to read but i am unable to get it to read 
> from the beginning. any help would be great.
> Regards.
> Stuart.
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Re: reading books on the mac with Ibooks.

[isaac]

I am having the same problem. I don’t iBooks is very accessible at this time.
On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Stuart Young  wrote:

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> How would i go about using Ibooks to read books on the mac? i have managed to 
> download a book that i would like to read but i am unable to get it to read 
> from the beginning. any help would be great.
> Regards.
> Stuart.
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Re: drawing a blank on how to rid myself of the preview pain

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Hello Caitlyn,

VO-j does not open the message. The message is already open as soon as you 
navigate to it using VO. You cannot pass over a message without it being marked 
as read as long as the preview pane is active.

I don’t know whether getting rid of the preview pane makes it easier to read 
with Braille. It all depends on what you find difficult about it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Feb 2014, at 15:05, Caitlyn and Maggie  wrote:

> So vo j automatically opens it, then?
> I never knew that!
> would disableing the preview pane be easier for use with braille, do you know?
> thanks so much!
> Cait
> 
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Caitlyn,
>> 
>> When the preview pane is there, VO users can’t leave any messages unopened 
>> as just the fact of landing on a message, opens it. Without the preview 
>> pane, we can choose whether or not to open a message.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 23:20, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, why is having the preview pane gone so important?
>>> I realize it’s probably somewhat personal preference.. but why do some 
>>> prefer it?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> Caitlyn
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Re: Interacting with the new link

[isaac]

You can move to the next heading or you can use the rotor to select what type 
of elements you want to view.
On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:

>   I have Mavericks and the current 10.9 
> update on my MacBook Air.  When clicking on a new link, how do you bypass all 
> the info that repeats itself so you can interact with just the new info?  
>   
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> sent from my phone
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reading books on the mac with Ibooks.

[Stuart Young]

Hi all.
How would i go about using Ibooks to read books on the mac? i have managed to 
download a book that i would like to read but i am unable to get it to read 
from the beginning. any help would be great.
Regards.
Stuart.
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Interacting with the new link

[Juanita Martin]

I have Mavericks and the current 10.9 
update on my MacBook Air.  When clicking on a new link, how do you bypass all 
the info that repeats itself so you can interact with just the new info?


sent from my phone
 

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Re: drawing a blank on how to rid myself of the preview pain

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

So vo j automatically opens it, then?
I never knew that!
would disableing the preview pane be easier for use with braille, do you know?
thanks so much!
Cait

On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Caitlyn,
> 
> When the preview pane is there, VO users can’t leave any messages unopened as 
> just the fact of landing on a message, opens it. Without the preview pane, we 
> can choose whether or not to open a message.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 5 Feb 2014, at 23:20, Caitlyn and Maggie  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, why is having the preview pane gone so important?
>> I realize it’s probably somewhat personal preference.. but why do some 
>> prefer it?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Caitlyn
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Re: drawing a blank on how to rid myself of the preview pain

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Caitlyn,

When the preview pane is there, VO users can’t leave any messages unopened as 
just the fact of landing on a message, opens it. Without the preview pane, we 
can choose whether or not to open a message.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 Feb 2014, at 23:20, Caitlyn and Maggie  wrote:

> Ok, why is having the preview pane gone so important?
> I realize it’s probably somewhat personal preference.. but why do some prefer 
> it?
> 
> thanks,
> Caitlyn

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Re: drawing a blank on how to rid myself of the preview pain

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Ok, why is having the preview pane gone so important?
I realize it’s probably somewhat personal preference.. but why do some prefer 
it?

thanks,
Caitlyn

On Feb 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Cool cool. it worked.  thanks much. I'll keep this info on my mental desk top.
> 
> Tc and be blessed. 
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Sarah,
>> 
>> I did this yesterday with a student.
>> 
>> Navigate to the horizontal splitter and bring the mouse. Make sure that 
>> track pad commander is off. Press down on the track pad with one finger and 
>> stroke down the track pad with another finger. This should drag the 
>> horizontal splitter to the bottom of the window.
>> 
>> The effectiveness of this method might depend on the track pad settings in 
>> System Preferences.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 21:44, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok. I brought my preview pain back just to see if I'd like it, but now that 
>>> I really know I don't like it, how do I make it go away? I tried double 
>>> clicking the horizontal splitter with no joy. I brought the splitter down 
>>> to 0 percent with no joy, even double clicking the splitter at 0 percent 
>>> has not resolved the issue. Can someone please shove  me in the right 
>>> direction?
>>> 
>>> os: mavericks 10.9.1
>>> mac: mid 2009
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: YoruFukuru help

[Catherine Turner]

Hi Dane, Sarah,

Thanks for the info on how to find and follow a user Dane.

Sarah great, I'll have a listen to those podcasts.  I subscribe to
tffp in my pod catcher Icatcher but just had a look through episodes
not downloaded and the ones you link to don't seem to be listed.
Wonder if I need to look back further or maybe you had a different
feed address before...

The next difficulty I'm having is trying to look at older tweets than
the ones currently being displayed.  Need to go back over the last few
days and they're not displayed in the table.  Went to preferences and
told it to display 800 tweets but it doesn't seem to have done this.

In an attempt to find help on this went into the help menu.  Always
struggle with help menus on the Mac, VO normally says "search results
interactive" and I then can't get anything spoken and normally give up
and press escape.  This time I thought, since it was described as
search results interactive, I'll try typing something in there.  So
typed "older" meaning to search help for "older", pressed Enter, upon
which I sent out a tweet just saying "older".  How embarrassing.
Maybe people will think it's my birthday? lol Will have a listen to
the podcasts next anyway...

Thanks for your help,
Catherine

On 2/6/14, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> Here you go.
>
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/a-look-at-yorufukurou-a-twitter-client-for-the-mac/
>
> I go over everything except the appearance tab as I can't see it but  yeah
> there you go.
>
> also this but it was done under ml.
>
> http://www.tffppodcast.com/02-looking-at-mountain-lion-the-finder-yorufukurou-and-some-of-the-system-prefs/
>
> Take care and happy thursday.
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've just installed YoruFukurou and wonder if anyone can give me some
>> tips to get me started?  At the moment I can't figure out how to
>> search for a user and then follow them.  I found a search box in the
>> toolbar but not sure it did anything when I typed there...can anyone
>> help with how to find users and any other getting started tips you
>> think mint be useful?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: issue with the newest key note

[Donal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Daniela,

I agree new keynote is a revelation.  One thing that is interesting is the fact 
that when in Slideshow mode, the text content appears in ‘edit’ fields.  Wonder 
why they did that.

Dónal
On 7 Feb 2014, at 08:15, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello!
> I am glad I can be of help. I love the new keynote,b because even the 
> animations are accessible for us. Take a look on the help file, you will find 
> amazing things!
> we keep in touch! Enjoy and take care!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 06/02/2014, a las 20:37, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
> 
>> Thanks. Yeah I'lldo that after I have my slides complete. I'm finding that 
>> outline view is working very well for me as I can see how many slides I 
>> have.  and right now I'm behind by 6. Bleh! 
>> 
>> Thanks and take care. 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello again Sara:
>>> So create transitions you can do the following:
>>> 1. When you have your slides complete, you can add transitions in each 
>>> slide. When you add a transition, you will add it on the slide which will 
>>> start with it. So, select the slide for which you want the transition in 
>>> the slide browser.
>>> 2. stop interacting with all and go to the toolbar, then check the Animate 
>>> Checkbox.
>>> 3. Go to the formatting tool and you will be placed at an Animate pane, 
>>> where you have to locate the Add transition button.
>>> 4. When you select the transition you want, bo to the transition formatting 
>>> tool, and there you can adjust the duration and if you want them to occur 
>>> automatically. I would leave it as it is, so you pass the slides as you 
>>> wish.
>>> 5. You stop interacting with all and you are done.
>>> VoiceOver doesn’t speak if a slide has a transition or not, but if it does 
>>> and by mistake you want to put it again, you will find a Change button 
>>> instead of the add transition button.
>>> I really hope it helps you, an if I can help you more, contact me again.
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 05/02/2014, a las 16:17, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
>>> 
 I want a transition between slides. I cannot find a way to do this. I also 
 want the last slide to be blank and black. 
 
 Tc. 
 
> On Feb 4, 2014, at 22:48, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sara!
> To edit a title body or text body, just interact with the rectangle and 
> bring the mouse. Then Vo+Shift+space. If you have your mouse follow Vo 
> cursor, you don’t need to bring the mouse.
> Can you be a little more specific on the transitions issue? Take care and 
> hope it helps!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> El 05/02/2014, a las 00:40, Sarah k Alawami  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Hello to all. In using the new  key note I"m noticing that when I press 
>> enter to edit a title, or the body of my slide my text disappears. Is 
>> there a way to solve this as I have a presentation due in a week and I 
>> can't have that happen as it will I'm sure dock if I forget a slide or 
>> leave a slide blank. Also how do I have the transitions fade  in and out 
>> from black to what ever then fade to black
>> 
>> Take care  to all and sorry if this rambles a bit. I have one of my 
>> migraines again.
>> 
>> Be blessed all.
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Re: issue with the newest key note

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
I am glad I can be of help. I love the new keynote,b because even the 
animations are accessible for us. Take a look on the help file, you will find 
amazing things!
we keep in touch! Enjoy and take care!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




El 06/02/2014, a las 20:37, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:

> Thanks. Yeah I'lldo that after I have my slides complete. I'm finding that 
> outline view is working very well for me as I can see how many slides I have. 
>  and right now I'm behind by 6. Bleh! 
> 
> Thanks and take care. 
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
>> Hello again Sara:
>> So create transitions you can do the following:
>> 1. When you have your slides complete, you can add transitions in each 
>> slide. When you add a transition, you will add it on the slide which will 
>> start with it. So, select the slide for which you want the transition in the 
>> slide browser.
>> 2. stop interacting with all and go to the toolbar, then check the Animate 
>> Checkbox.
>> 3. Go to the formatting tool and you will be placed at an Animate pane, 
>> where you have to locate the Add transition button.
>> 4. When you select the transition you want, bo to the transition formatting 
>> tool, and there you can adjust the duration and if you want them to occur 
>> automatically. I would leave it as it is, so you pass the slides as you wish.
>> 5. You stop interacting with all and you are done.
>> VoiceOver doesn’t speak if a slide has a transition or not, but if it does 
>> and by mistake you want to put it again, you will find a Change button 
>> instead of the add transition button.
>> I really hope it helps you, an if I can help you more, contact me again.
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 05/02/2014, a las 16:17, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
>> 
>>> I want a transition between slides. I cannot find a way to do this. I also 
>>> want the last slide to be blank and black. 
>>> 
>>> Tc. 
>>> 
 On Feb 4, 2014, at 22:48, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
 
 Hi Sara!
 To edit a title body or text body, just interact with the rectangle and 
 bring the mouse. Then Vo+Shift+space. If you have your mouse follow Vo 
 cursor, you don’t need to bring the mouse.
 Can you be a little more specific on the transitions issue? Take care and 
 hope it helps!
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 
> El 05/02/2014, a las 00:40, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:
> 
> Hello to all. In using the new  key note I"m noticing that when I press 
> enter to edit a title, or the body of my slide my text disappears. Is 
> there a way to solve this as I have a presentation due in a week and I 
> can't have that happen as it will I'm sure dock if I forget a slide or 
> leave a slide blank. Also how do I have the transitions fade  in and out 
> from black to what ever then fade to black
> 
> Take care  to all and sorry if this rambles a bit. I have one of my 
> migraines again.
> 
> Be blessed all.
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