Re: Question about GarageBand and other music editing software

[Likidefs]

I finally managed to download Main Stage 3 and it seems that it’s what I was 
looking for. Bro it’s too expensive for hobbyist like me, and GarageBand it’s 
too poor on instrument choices.
Right now I’m using GarageBand with more instrument options and at the same 
time trying to figure out how much accessible it is Main Stage 3 with voiceover.
Thank you all for your help.



24 Οκτ 2018, 1:38 πμ, ο χρήστης «Cara Quinn » έγραψε:

> Good call Rollin!
> 
> I purchased mainstage years back when the 3 Jam Packs were also included and 
> did not know what instruments the latest version came with so I did not 
> recommend it.
> 
> Thanks to your suggestion, I had a look. The latest version looks like it has 
> quite a bit which comes with it.
> 
> So I agree, this looks like it would be a really nice option for Steve as 
> well.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> On Oct 23, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Rollin Hippler  wrote:
> 
> Another alternative to consider is Apple's  MainStage 3.  It includes sounds 
> from Logic that work with GarageBand and costs $30.
> 
> 
> Rollin
> 
> 
>> On 10/23/2018 7:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> hi:
>> 
>> the only way to get more instruments is to get the Logic x.
>> I know it’s expensive but it’s really really great.
>> As for Protools, it will not have any Instruments, just an app for recording 
>> and editing.
>> if you need more help
>> please go ahead.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:36 AM, Likidefs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> @Cara: i’ve seen logic pro, but I tried to avoid such expensive software 
>>> seems I am hobbyist. If I don’t find any other cheaper solution, I’ll go 
>>> for Logic Pro.
>>> 
>>> @van: proTools also sounds good, but does it have a rich library of 
>>> instruments?
>>> @matt: garage band is accessible with VO. You can hear a series of three 
>>> podcasts to learn how to work with it here 
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/gr/podcast/all-cool-blind-tech-shows/id618708871?l=el=2=1000396853553
>>> Thank you all for the great help.
>>> Steve.
>>> 
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[lenron brown]

That's right apple gets you by over charging you anyways. So they are
not really all out for the customer either. All these companies have
an end game I suppose. I would choose Amazon or google in the smart
speaker space or even sonos. Besides you can always hook them up to a
nice surround sound system, so I am not overly stressed about the
sound they put out. If I buy a smart speaker I want it to be smart and
come at a good price. Maybe I am just thinking as someone that doesn't
come from a place of just being able to drop the big bucks.

On 11/20/18, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> HI!
> Yes i totally agree even though i don’t have the google mini.
> I am thinking of the zeppelin air from B
> But i saw today that apple will have some black friday event.
> /A
>
>> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 00:42 skrev lenron brown :
>>
>> If Siri was as good as the others then it would be worth it maybe. I
>> love my little dot and now I want a google home mini. if apple soled a
>> Mini with a fair price it might be worth looking at.
>>
>> On 11/19/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the reply’s. I have read some reviews on the HomePod. And the
>>> folks doing reviewing seemed of the same general opinion regarding the
>>> quality of the hardware and that Siri lags behind in some respects. But
>>> I
>>> always find it interesting to get reviews from real people, rather than
>>> just
>>> from those being paid to write reviews.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Nov 19, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Matthew Horspool 
 wrote:

 Hi Mary,
 I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it
 are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
 Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the
 microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri
 accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it
 to
 do.
 Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as,
 say,
 Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I
 want
 her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear
 me
 as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're
 almost
 equal!
 Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for
 one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family
 environment
 I'm sure.
 Hope this helps a little bit,
 Matthew

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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
 To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
 mac4thebl...@freelists.org
 Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

 Hi all,
 This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the
 HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a
 pair
 of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice
 stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still
 wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the
 HomePod,
 especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as
 how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc.
 Mary


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Re: 8-dot Mode under iOS 12

[David Chittenden]

All braille displays work the same under iOS in 8-dot mode. Basically, 
brailling is in computer braille. Therefore, upper case letters have dot 7 
included in the symbol. For instance, a is dot 1, whilst upper case A is dots 1 
7. All punctuation follows the computer braille punctuation, and numbers are 
their own dot combinations.

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> get. How should I enter text in 8-dot mode? I know what the codes are, just 
> not sure I am inputting correctly. Would like some tips. Thanks.
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Re: likely silly apple product buy question?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Depends.  Apple products tend to have a very small markup.  That's not to say 
that Apple doesn't make bags of money from there hardware, just that other 
retailers don't make a huge profit either.  That being said, third party 
venders like BestBuy and such will often put Apple products on sale at a bit of 
a loss because they wish to get rid of product.  They make enough money off of 
other things and sell the occasional warranty package that really makes them 
cash.  So, yes, you're correct that you'll often see some pretty good sales 
during this time of the year on Apple products mostly from folks other than 
Apple themselves.

Later...

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 17:13, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Perfect sense, thank you!
My guess is that often other stores have better prices yes?
Kare



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You should still be able to get support from Apple.  It is an Apple purchase, 
> albeit from another vender, but the warranty, support and such is still by 
> Apple.  It is usually your serial number that determines whether warranty or 
> support is available, not the vender from which you purchased the device.
> 
> Hope that makes sense.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 16:53, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> First of two threads that I am keeping separate.
> Because of issues I am encountering, especially at places like Paypal, I am 
> considering getting an Apple device.  With the major sales coming up in the 
> next few days, I want some direction before i start hunting.
> Getting the silly question  out of the way first, if I buy an apple product 
> somewhere  other than an Apple store, can I still experience support from an 
> apple genus?
> i. e. I buy the item at Amazon instead, or in a best buy store?
> this is really really important, because I still *hope* I can get some in 
> person training, or at least  have the item  configured for my needs by 
> someone knowledgeable.
> I honor all the brilliance on this list, but I learn  best  with someone in 
> the same room with me, especially where  something totally new is concerned.  
> I may have been on this list for well years, but this will be my first  major 
> major voiceover  experience.  Speaking personally I prefer to maximize my 
> learning time,  so I can put the item to use swiftly if that makes sense.
> Will ask my device questions  in the next thread.
> Kare
> 
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8-dot Mode under iOS 12

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I am learning my way around the Focus 40 5th Gen. In contracted mode 
I get the expected results. In 8-dot mode I am not getting what I think 
I should get. How should I enter text in 8-dot mode? I know what the 
codes are, just not sure I am inputting correctly. Would like some tips. 
Thanks.


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Re: likely silly apple product buy question?

[Karen Lewellen]

Perfect sense, thank you!
My guess is that often other stores have better prices yes?
Kare



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You should still be able to get support from Apple.  It is an Apple purchase, 
albeit from another vender, but the warranty, support and such is still by 
Apple.  It is usually your serial number that determines whether warranty or 
support is available, not the vender from which you purchased the device.

Hope that makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 16:53, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi everyone,
First of two threads that I am keeping separate.
Because of issues I am encountering, especially at places like Paypal, I am 
considering getting an Apple device.  With the major sales coming up in the 
next few days, I want some direction before i start hunting.
Getting the silly question  out of the way first, if I buy an apple product 
somewhere  other than an Apple store, can I still experience support from an 
apple genus?
i. e. I buy the item at Amazon instead, or in a best buy store?
this is really really important, because I still *hope* I can get some in 
person training, or at least  have the item  configured for my needs by someone 
knowledgeable.
I honor all the brilliance on this list, but I learn  best  with someone in the 
same room with me, especially where  something totally new is concerned.  I may 
have been on this list for well years, but this will be my first  major major 
voiceover  experience.  Speaking personally I prefer to maximize my learning 
time,  so I can put the item to use swiftly if that makes sense.
Will ask my device questions  in the next thread.
Kare



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the last Ipad with standard headphone jacks?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
Question part two.
Please feel free to correct my ideas here, with solid alternatives based on 
what I outline as  things about which I cannot compromise.
First, I have an iPhone 5 ish, that I have yet to find a way to use truth 
be told.  I believe though I may have found, based on my specific needs, a 
possible quality voice.  Whatever Apple item I get will need to manage 
some programs that I feel are not available for the mac.  Symphony pro for 
example, voice dream reader too, for the reading quality.  I will  be 
adding a full sized keyboard, and  because the ability to burn  items to 
cd is an absolute necessity, an external drive I already own.

From what I understand that means an IPad.
So two questions.  First how is Audible with the IPad?  My goal here are 
the more presentation related items, audible studio for example.  Still as I 
will be moving my items elsewhere, the software itself, linking to Amazon, 
I hope is solid in IOs?
Second,  which is the last IPad model that still has a standard headphone 
jack?  I cannot compromise  on this because  of my headphone requirements. 
Yes there are adapters,  but using one is a last resort, especially how 
long lived apple technology is in the long run.  after all some here are 
using machines from 2010.

Thoughts?
Kare

Re: likely silly apple product buy question?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You should still be able to get support from Apple.  It is an Apple purchase, 
albeit from another vender, but the warranty, support and such is still by 
Apple.  It is usually your serial number that determines whether warranty or 
support is available, not the vender from which you purchased the device.

Hope that makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 16:53, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi everyone,
First of two threads that I am keeping separate.
Because of issues I am encountering, especially at places like Paypal, I am 
considering getting an Apple device.  With the major sales coming up in the 
next few days, I want some direction before i start hunting.
Getting the silly question  out of the way first, if I buy an apple product 
somewhere  other than an Apple store, can I still experience support from an 
apple genus?
i. e. I buy the item at Amazon instead, or in a best buy store?
this is really really important, because I still *hope* I can get some in 
person training, or at least  have the item  configured for my needs by someone 
knowledgeable.
I honor all the brilliance on this list, but I learn  best  with someone in the 
same room with me, especially where  something totally new is concerned.  I may 
have been on this list for well years, but this will be my first  major major 
voiceover  experience.  Speaking personally I prefer to maximize my learning 
time,  so I can put the item to use swiftly if that makes sense.
Will ask my device questions  in the next thread.
Kare



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likely silly apple product buy question?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi everyone,
First of two threads that I am keeping separate.
Because of issues I am encountering, especially at places like Paypal, I 
am considering getting an Apple device.  With the major sales coming up in 
the next few days, I want some direction before i start hunting.
Getting the silly question  out of the way first, if I buy an apple product 
somewhere  other than an Apple store, can I still experience support from 
an apple genus?

 i. e. I buy the item at Amazon instead, or in a best buy store?
this is really really important, because I still *hope* I can get some in 
person training, or at least  have the item  configured for my needs by 
someone knowledgeable.
 I honor all the brilliance on this list, but I learn  best  with someone 
in the same room with me, especially where  something totally new is 
concerned.  I may have been on this list for well years, but this will be 
my first  major major voiceover  experience.  Speaking personally I prefer 
to maximize my learning time,  so I can put the item to use swiftly if 
that makes sense.

Will ask my device questions  in the next thread.
Kare

Re: Siri and music.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Then it must be the user behind my Ipad mini who can’t handle it correctly 
*smile*.
Siriously i am very confused.
/A

> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 14:45 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Krister,
> 
> I don't experience that issue.  I'm in the U.S. and have English as my 
> default language on my devices.  I have music in Spanish and Italian, and 
> have no trouble getting those albums to play (though I do anglicize  the 
> pronunciation a bit).
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:49 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it has to do with language. It looks as if Siri has trouble 
>> communicating in multiple languages at the same time, so if you have Siri 
>> set to Swedish for example, it gets confused when suddenly one or more 
>> english or other forreign words are thrown into the mix.
>> That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>> 
>>> This I find interesting,
>>> 
>>> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding 
>>> down the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play 
>>> the albums 
>>> 
>>> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
>>> for me. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Siri and music.
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works 
>>> when you want to play music from your apple device.
>>> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall 
>>> by Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
>>> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
>>> Very frustrating.
>>> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
>>> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
>>> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
>>> it did.
>>> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
>>> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
>>> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
>>> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
>>> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
>>> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
>>> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
>>> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
>>> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
>>> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
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Re: Siri and music.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes that can be the problem.
It has always been a problem but not as big for me as it is right now.
/A

> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 09:49 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> I think it has to do with language. It looks as if Siri has trouble 
> communicating in multiple languages at the same time, so if you have Siri set 
> to Swedish for example, it gets confused when suddenly one or more english or 
> other forreign words are thrown into the mix.
> That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
> /Krister
> 
> 
>> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> This I find interesting,
>> 
>> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding 
>> down the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play 
>> the albums 
>> 
>> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
>> for me. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Siri and music.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works 
>> when you want to play music from your apple device.
>> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
>> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
>> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
>> Very frustrating.
>> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
>> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
>> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
>> it did.
>> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
>> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
>> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
>> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
>> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
>> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
>> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
>> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
>> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
>> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
>> /A
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Re: Siri and music.

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
No i don’t know.
Maybe its because i am swedish.
Not sure.
I will try to report this to apple.
/A

> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> This I find interesting,
> 
> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding down 
> the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play the 
> albums 
> 
> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
> for me. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Siri and music.
> 
> Hi!
> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works when 
> you want to play music from your apple device.
> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
> Very frustrating.
> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
> it did.
> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
> /A
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
Yes i totally agree even though i don’t have the google mini.
I am thinking of the zeppelin air from B
But i saw today that apple will have some black friday event.
/A

> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 00:42 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> If Siri was as good as the others then it would be worth it maybe. I
> love my little dot and now I want a google home mini. if apple soled a
> Mini with a fair price it might be worth looking at.
> 
> On 11/19/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply’s. I have read some reviews on the HomePod. And the
>> folks doing reviewing seemed of the same general opinion regarding the
>> quality of the hardware and that Siri lags behind in some respects. But I
>> always find it interesting to get reviews from real people, rather than just
>> from those being paid to write reviews.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Matthew Horspool 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it
>>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the
>>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri
>>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to
>>> do.
>>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say,
>>> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want
>>> her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me
>>> as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost
>>> equal!
>>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for
>>> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment
>>> I'm sure.
>>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
>>> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>>> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the
>>> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a pair
>>> of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice
>>> stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still
>>> wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod,
>>> especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as
>>> how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using VO on MacAir in Google Docs and classroom

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am using Google docs and google classroom.
In my opinion it needs to be fixed because there are some accessibility flaws 
that can be quite frustrating.
But if you want to edit a google document you have to open the documents app on 
your iphone and press the edit button.
In classroom its impossible but you can choose to open in another app and then 
edit.
For example:
I can click on a document in google classroom and select the open in another 
app and from there open it in the google docs app.
Its tricky but it can be done with some patience.
/A

> 19 nov. 2018 kl. 16:37 skrev frednav...@gmail.com:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I am a teacher of the visually impaired and working with a freshman 
> highschooler who has a MacBook provided by her school. Her teachers are using 
> Google classroom. She uses voiceover on her phone and is very competent. 
> 
> As her TVI I am trying to help her learn voiceover on the laptop. We are 
> looking for any advice and information regarding using voice over and google 
> classroom in Google docs. Using the rotar  has been quite helpful. We have 
> been able to navigate to open up a new document, but cannot figure out how to 
> get inside the document to begin typing. Any help with learning to navigate 
> and work within  Google Docs and Google classroom is much appreciated!!  
> 
> Fredna Van Dellen, TVI
> fredn...@tcoe.org
> 
> 
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Plus 1 to this.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 13:34, John JD Denning  wrote:

As an IT professional, and someone with an IT security background, I’ll mention 
one point that for some reason seems to skate people. Your data, and your 
privacy and secured with Apple devices. It is not with either Amazon or Google. 
They have a history of flagrant disregard for their customers privacy. Well 
actually there customers are the people they sell the data to not the people 
purchase their echoes or smart speakers. So for that reason alone I am drawn 
towards Apple products. Apple sees me the end-user as a customer they don’t see 
me as the product.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2018, at 13:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I guess that's a matter of preference.  You can't listen to Apple Music on 
> your Echo.  Sure, you need AirPlay to listen to Apple Music on the HomePod, 
> but you can.  Each smart speaker has its limitations due to proprietary 
> considerations.  If Amazon Music is your preference, then go with the Echo or 
> Dot, if Apple Music is your preference then go with the HomePod and if Google 
> is your preference,, then go with the Google Home.  No need to qualify the 
> speakers on those terms.  If you wish to qualify or compare on sound quality, 
> then there's stuff out there to make a point.  Other than that, I just see it 
> as an ecosystem preference.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 11:21, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah but what's the point of a smart speaker if you have to listen to 
> everything else other than Apple Music via airplay? Isn't the point of having 
> a smart speaker to listen to anything on it without having to do an extra 
> step to listen to the thing you want? This is why I chose the Echo. I can 
> listen to Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Tunein and SiriusXM all without 
> having to use airplay or Bluetooth.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this. 
>>  You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
>> differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
>> have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and 
>>> that it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just 
>>> purchased an Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that 
>>> if you buy two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get 
>>> with the HomePod.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
 your decision!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do 
> that in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here 
> in this town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all 
> the din. But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning 
> towards the HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always 
> take them back to Best Buy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
>> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
>> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
>> since they implemented this practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 

Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[John JD Denning]

As an IT professional, and someone with an IT security background, I’ll mention 
one point that for some reason seems to skate people. Your data, and your 
privacy and secured with Apple devices. It is not with either Amazon or Google. 
They have a history of flagrant disregard for their customers privacy. Well 
actually there customers are the people they sell the data to not the people 
purchase their echoes or smart speakers. So for that reason alone I am drawn 
towards Apple products. Apple sees me the end-user as a customer they don’t see 
me as the product.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 13:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I guess that's a matter of preference.  You can't listen to Apple Music on 
> your Echo.  Sure, you need AirPlay to listen to Apple Music on the HomePod, 
> but you can.  Each smart speaker has its limitations due to proprietary 
> considerations.  If Amazon Music is your preference, then go with the Echo or 
> Dot, if Apple Music is your preference then go with the HomePod and if Google 
> is your preference,, then go with the Google Home.  No need to qualify the 
> speakers on those terms.  If you wish to qualify or compare on sound quality, 
> then there's stuff out there to make a point.  Other than that, I just see it 
> as an ecosystem preference.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 11:21, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but what's the point of a smart speaker if you have to listen to 
> everything else other than Apple Music via airplay? Isn't the point of having 
> a smart speaker to listen to anything on it without having to do an extra 
> step to listen to the thing you want? This is why I chose the Echo. I can 
> listen to Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Tunein and SiriusXM all without 
> having to use airplay or Bluetooth.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this. 
>>  You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
>> differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
>> have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and 
>>> that it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just 
>>> purchased an Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that 
>>> if you buy two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get 
>>> with the HomePod.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
 your decision!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do 
> that in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here 
> in this town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all 
> the din. But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning 
> towards the HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always 
> take them back to Best Buy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
>> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
>> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
>> since they implemented this practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>  
>>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>>> for voice recognition
>>>  
>>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>>  
>>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>>> Sent: 

Re: Referencing beginning of rows and columns in Numbers

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

As long as the row and column are configured as Row Headers or Column Headers, 
you can use VO-r or VO-c to announce the title of the headers respectively.  
I'll assume that you can figure out which command is for the column and row 
headers.  If they are not, you can set these things under the Table menu when 
in Numbers.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:50, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:

Hi list,

Does anyone know if there’s a VO shortcut to read the information in the cells 
at the top of a column and the beginning of a row in numbers? It would be super 
helpful  when working deep in a spreadsheet to refer to my column and row 
headers without having to leave my placement in the spreadsheet. 

All best,
Ibraheem

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Re: iPhone Battery Guide: Charging Your iPhone the Right Way

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Ramy, that would be fine, to charge it to 100%. Then you are good to 
go. Enjoy the 8 plus. I got mine in February and it has been good.


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On 11/20/2018 12:02 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

O, thanks so much but just the 1st battery charge, how about it?


On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:24 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Ramy,
   That article is from 2013. I too went from an iPhone 5 to the 8 plus. I had 
the 5 for 5 years. I keep things simple. Charge overnight, which also allows 
the phone to be backed up. That is it. It makes no sense to let the phone run 
down for that is when you really need the phone in an emergency and, it will 
fail.

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On 11/20/2018 10:15 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all People:
Finally after fighting with my Iphone 5, i bought today Iphone 8+.
THis is the 1st time that i need to ask about 1st Iphone Charge before using 
it. i found this Artical, and do not know if it’s right or wrong.
need to tell me:
1- i found some Battery power when i will power my Iphone, should i use them or 
start Charging my Iphone?
2- can you read this artical and tell me, if this is true or not?
charge it for 3 hours, let it power off for 2 hours, and Use it until the 
battery went away, then charge it and leave it 2 extra power off hours.
are they right?
thanks in advance

https://www.guidingtech.com/20732/iphone-battery-guide-charge-right-way/

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Re: iPhone Battery Guide: Charging Your iPhone the Right Way

[Ramy Moustafa]

O, thanks so much but just the 1st battery charge, how about it?

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:24 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>   That article is from 2013. I too went from an iPhone 5 to the 8 plus. I had 
> the 5 for 5 years. I keep things simple. Charge overnight, which also allows 
> the phone to be backed up. That is it. It makes no sense to let the phone run 
> down for that is when you really need the phone in an emergency and, it will 
> fail.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 11/20/2018 10:15 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all People:
>> Finally after fighting with my Iphone 5, i bought today Iphone 8+.
>> THis is the 1st time that i need to ask about 1st Iphone Charge before using 
>> it. i found this Artical, and do not know if it’s right or wrong.
>> need to tell me:
>> 1- i found some Battery power when i will power my Iphone, should i use them 
>> or start Charging my Iphone?
>> 2- can you read this artical and tell me, if this is true or not?
>> charge it for 3 hours, let it power off for 2 hours, and Use it until the 
>> battery went away, then charge it and leave it 2 extra power off hours.
>> are they right?
>> thanks in advance
>>> https://www.guidingtech.com/20732/iphone-battery-guide-charge-right-way/
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Apple Watch Exercise Ring

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

I have an Apple Watch and have been quite happy with it.  In the summer, it 
stopped talking to me, so I had to reset it.  The reset went fine, except now 
when I exercise for over 30 minutes, and use the Workout app, I don’t get 
credit for all my time.

For example, I might turn on the Workout app and walk for 30 minutes, but I 
might only get 41% or 71% of my exercise ring.  I’m not getting credit for my 
full workout.

Does anybody know what I can fix to get my full credit?  I know I did it, but 
it would be nice if this expense overlord knew it too. ;)

Thx,
Jeff


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Referencing beginning of rows and columns in Numbers

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hi list,

Does anyone know if there’s a VO shortcut to read the information in the cells 
at the top of a column and the beginning of a row in numbers? It would be super 
helpful  when working deep in a spreadsheet to refer to my column and row 
headers without having to leave my placement in the spreadsheet. 

All best,
Ibraheem

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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I guess it depends on your priorities.  I personally wouldn't trade the sound 
of the iPod for any Echo I've heard to date.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:21 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but what's the point of a smart speaker if you have to listen to 
> everything else other than Apple Music via airplay? Isn't the point of having 
> a smart speaker to listen to anything on it without having to do an extra 
> step to listen to the thing you want? This is why I chose the Echo. I can 
> listen to Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Tunein and SiriusXM all without 
> having to use airplay or Bluetooth.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this. 
>>  You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
>> differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
>> have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and 
>>> that it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just 
>>> purchased an Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that 
>>> if you buy two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get 
>>> with the HomePod.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
 your decision!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do 
> that in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here 
> in this town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all 
> the din. But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning 
> towards the HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always 
> take them back to Best Buy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
>> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
>> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
>> since they implemented this practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>  
>>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>>> for voice recognition
>>>  
>>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>>  
>>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>>> Apple product
>>>  
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it 
>>> to do.
>>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, 
>>> say, Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what 
>>> I want her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't 
>>> hear me 

Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I guess that's a matter of preference.  You can't listen to Apple Music on your 
Echo.  Sure, you need AirPlay to listen to Apple Music on the HomePod, but you 
can.  Each smart speaker has its limitations due to proprietary considerations. 
 If Amazon Music is your preference, then go with the Echo or Dot, if Apple 
Music is your preference then go with the HomePod and if Google is your 
preference,, then go with the Google Home.  No need to qualify the speakers on 
those terms.  If you wish to qualify or compare on sound quality, then there's 
stuff out there to make a point.  Other than that, I just see it as an 
ecosystem preference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 11:21, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yeah but what's the point of a smart speaker if you have to listen to 
everything else other than Apple Music via airplay? Isn't the point of having a 
smart speaker to listen to anything on it without having to do an extra step to 
listen to the thing you want? This is why I chose the Echo. I can listen to 
Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Tunein and SiriusXM all without having to use 
airplay or Bluetooth.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this.  
> You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
> differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
> have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
>> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
>> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy 
>> two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the 
>> HomePod.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
>>> your decision!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
 speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
 in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
 town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
 But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
 HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back 
 to Best Buy.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
> Mary,
> 
> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
> since they implemented this practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>> for voice recognition
>>  
>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>  
>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> > > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>> Apple product
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>> Homepod hardware is 

Re: iPhone Battery Guide: Charging Your iPhone the Right Way

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Ramy,
   That article is from 2013. I too went from an iPhone 5 to the 8 
plus. I had the 5 for 5 years. I keep things simple. Charge overnight, 
which also allows the phone to be backed up. That is it. It makes no 
sense to let the phone run down for that is when you really need the 
phone in an emergency and, it will fail.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 11/20/2018 10:15 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all People:
Finally after fighting with my Iphone 5, i bought today Iphone 8+.
THis is the 1st time that i need to ask about 1st Iphone Charge before 
using it. i found this Artical, and do not know if it’s right or wrong.

need to tell me:
1- i found some Battery power when i will power my Iphone, should i use 
them or start Charging my Iphone?

2- can you read this artical and tell me, if this is true or not?
charge it for 3 hours, let it power off for 2 hours, and Use it until 
the battery went away, then charge it and leave it 2 extra power off hours.

are they right?
thanks in advance


https://www.guidingtech.com/20732/iphone-battery-guide-charge-right-way/


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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah but what's the point of a smart speaker if you have to listen to 
everything else other than Apple Music via airplay? Isn't the point of having a 
smart speaker to listen to anything on it without having to do an extra step to 
listen to the thing you want? This is why I chose the Echo. I can listen to 
Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Tunein and SiriusXM all without having to use 
airplay or Bluetooth.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:53 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this.  
> You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
> differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
> have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
>> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
>> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy 
>> two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the 
>> HomePod.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
>>> your decision!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
 speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
 in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
 town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
 But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
 HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back 
 to Best Buy.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
> Mary,
> 
> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
> since they implemented this practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>> for voice recognition
>>  
>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>  
>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> > > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>> Apple product
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
>> do.
>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, 
>> say, Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what 
>> I want her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't 
>> hear me as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say 
>> they're almost equal!
>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
>> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family 
>> environment I'm sure.
>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>> Matthew
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 

iPhone Battery Guide: Charging Your iPhone the Right Way

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all People:
Finally after fighting with my Iphone 5, i bought today Iphone 8+.
THis is the 1st time that i need to ask about 1st Iphone Charge before using 
it. i found this Artical, and do not know if it’s right or wrong.
need to tell me:
1- i found some Battery power when i will power my Iphone, should i use them or 
start Charging my Iphone?
2- can you read this artical and tell me, if this is true or not?
charge it for 3 hours, let it power off for 2 hours, and Use it until the 
battery went away, then charge it and leave it 2 extra power off hours.
are they right?
thanks in advance 

> https://www.guidingtech.com/20732/iphone-battery-guide-charge-right-way/ 
> 

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Re: Word count using pages

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Once the Word count is shown, there will be a pop-up menu item at the top level 
of the Pages window with the Word/Line/Paragraph/etc counts.  Press on that 
menu item to view the various counts.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:21, Uzzy Galiara  wrote:

Can someone please tell me how you read the word count using Pages?
I have found the command to show and hide the word count but can’t actually 
read it.

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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[John JD Denning]

For a one trick pony I do an awful lot on my HomePod. C listen to music, 
podcasts, news, use it for messaging, alarms, calendars. It’s pretty much 
always busy. Oh I forgot HomeKit control like the last thing I tell her at 
night, good night. End it make sure everything is turned off.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 11:57, 'christopher hallsworth' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
> Try listening to the third generation Echo Dot. The sound quality is as good 
> as the Homepod in my opinion. Not as bassy, but far better than the previous 
> generation.
> Just my £0.02 worth.
> 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2018, at 16:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> To each their own. I would never call the sound from any echo device 
>> awesome. But if it works for you, great.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and 
>>> that it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just 
>>> purchased an Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that 
>>> if you buy two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get 
>>> with the HomePod.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn,
>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
 your decision!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do 
> that in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here 
> in this town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all 
> the din. But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning 
> towards the HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always 
> take them back to Best Buy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
>> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
>> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
>> since they implemented this practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>  
>>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>>> for voice recognition
>>>  
>>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>>  
>>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>>> Apple product
>>>  
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it 
>>> to do.
>>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, 
>>> say, Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what 
>>> I want her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't 
>>> hear me as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say 
>>> they're almost equal!
>>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
>>> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family 
>>> environment I'm sure.
>>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>>> Matthew
>>>  
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
>>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
>>> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>>> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
>>> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking 

Word count using pages

[Uzzy Galiara]

Can someone please tell me how you read the word count using Pages?
I have found the command to show and hide the word count but can’t actually 
read it.

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Re: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Karen Lewellen]

Christine,
speaking personally, I would make sure to  inform management, especially 
as you   were invited, of the issue.
The way the page looks actually had me wondering if they want to keep 
folks from downloading, and editing their menu.
Still again speaking personally, given their brand of quality I would tell 
them  that you feel less a guest in their establishment because there is 
no real inclusion for you.
I admit the site both made me hungry, and reminded me why I miss NYC 
sometimes.

Kare



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018, Christine Grassman wrote:





Normally I would rethink the option, but I was invited there by a friend and 
was hoping to avoid having anyone read me the menu during a crowded lunch hour. 
Ah, well . . . thanks.

Christine


On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Ah, yeah well just checking that URL I think you should re think your eating 
options.

The menu is a graphic on the page so you might be very lucky unless you have 
some kind of OCR that will read the menu for you on that site.

Sorry

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 6:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

Good day all:
I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there is 
a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A sighted 
person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of anything. The web 
site is here:
https://manchimeansgood.com 
I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I cannot 
access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to download the 
menu.
Help or insight is appreciated.
Christine

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Re: iTunes layout?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Try to change the style of view.  For example, when the playlist is selected, 
go up to the View menu, down to View As, and right to Playlist.  It sounds like 
you are currently in the Songs view, so Playlist view may be more what you're 
hoping for.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 09:29, Matt Turner  wrote:

Hi, let me see if I can explane this.
So in windows using, NVDA let's say the track number/ name is 01.untitled.
It would read all that at the same time.
With voiceover, I need to vo left, then I see the track number 01, then vo left 
then i see the tracks title.
It’s just something I’ll have to get used to maybe. 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How does it do it in Windows?  Not sure exactly what you want here.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 07:47, Matt Turner  > wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> Just wondering if there’s a way to have vo speak the track number/ title like 
> it does in windows?
> If I’m on a song, I have to vo left, then I here the track number, then if I 
> vo left again, I here the track title.
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['christopher hallsworth' via MacVisionaries]

All,
Try listening to the third generation Echo Dot. The sound quality is as good as 
the Homepod in my opinion. Not as bassy, but far better than the previous 
generation.
Just my £0.02 worth.


> On 20 Nov 2018, at 16:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> To each their own. I would never call the sound from any echo device awesome. 
> But if it works for you, great.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
>> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
>> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy 
>> two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the 
>> HomePod.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
>>> your decision!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
 speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
 in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
 town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
 But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
 HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back 
 to Best Buy.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
> since they implemented this practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>> for voice recognition
>>  
>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>  
>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>> Apple product
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
>> do.
>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, 
>> say, Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what 
>> I want her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't 
>> hear me as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say 
>> they're almost equal!
>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
>> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family 
>> environment I'm sure.
>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>> Matthew
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
>> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
>> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a 
>> pair of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a 
>> nice stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
>> wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, 
>> especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as 
>> how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
>> Mary
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>> -- 
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

You know, and this is just my opinion, I think people make too much of this.  
You can play anything you want on the HomePod, you just go about it 
differently.  I often play Spotify and Tune-in radio on my HomePod, you just 
have to do it by using airplay on your phone.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy two 
> of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the HomePod.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with your 
>> decision!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
>>> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
>>> in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
>>> town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
>>> But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
>>> HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back to 
>>> Best Buy.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Mary,
 
 If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot 
 of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
 speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
 since they implemented this practice.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
> voice recognition
>  
> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>  
> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
> product
>  
> Hi Mary,
> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
> do.
> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want 
> her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me 
> as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost 
> equal!
> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment 
> I'm sure.
> Hope this helps a little bit,
> Matthew
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org 
> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>  
> Hi all,
> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a 
> pair of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a 
> nice stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
> wonderful. I’m just 

Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[Mary Otten]

To each their own. I would never call the sound from any echo device awesome. 
But if it works for you, great.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy two 
> of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the HomePod.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with your 
>> decision!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
>>> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
>>> in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
>>> town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
>>> But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
>>> HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back to 
>>> Best Buy.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Mary,
 
 If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot 
 of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
 speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
 since they implemented this practice.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
> voice recognition
>  
> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>  
> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
> product
>  
> Hi Mary,
> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
> do.
> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want 
> her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me 
> as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost 
> equal!
> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment 
> I'm sure.
> Hope this helps a little bit,
> Matthew
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>  
> Hi all,
> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a 
> pair of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a 
> nice stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
> wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, 
> especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as 
> how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
> Mary
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that it 
can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an Echo 
Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy two of 
them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the HomePod.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with your 
> decision!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
>> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
>> in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
>> town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. But 
>> it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the HomePods. 
>> If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back to Best Buy.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot 
>>> of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
>>> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
>>> since they implemented this practice.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
  
 Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
 voice recognition
  
 I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
  
 Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
 Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
 product
  
 Hi Mary,
 I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
 are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
 Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
 microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
 accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
 do.
 Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
 Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want 
 her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me 
 as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost 
 equal!
 Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
 one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment 
 I'm sure.
 Hope this helps a little bit,
 Matthew
  
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
 To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; 
 mac4thebl...@freelists.org 
 Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
  
 Hi all,
 This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
 HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a pair 
 of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice 
 stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
 wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, 
 especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as 
 how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
 Mary
  
  
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Re: iTunes layout?

[Matt Turner]

Hi, let me see if I can explane this.
So in windows using, NVDA let's say the track number/ name is 01.untitled.
It would read all that at the same time.
With voiceover, I need to vo left, then I see the track number 01, then vo left 
then i see the tracks title.
It’s just something I’ll have to get used to maybe. 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How does it do it in Windows?  Not sure exactly what you want here.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 07:47, Matt Turner  > wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> Just wondering if there’s a way to have vo speak the track number/ title like 
> it does in windows?
> If I’m on a song, I have to vo left, then I here the track number, then if I 
> vo left again, I here the track title.
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with your 
decision!
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
> speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that in 
> the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this town. 
> You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. But it 
> doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the HomePods. If 
> it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back to Best Buy.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot 
>> of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos speakers 
>> for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them since they 
>> implemented this practice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>  
>>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
>>> voice recognition
>>>  
>>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>>  
>>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
>>> product
>>>  
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it are 
>>> basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to do.
>>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
>>> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want 
>>> her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me as 
>>> well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost equal!
>>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for one 
>>> user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment I'm 
>>> sure.
>>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>>> Matthew
>>>  
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[Mary Otten]

Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that in 
the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this town. 
You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. But it 
doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the HomePods. If it 
turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back to Best Buy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot of 
> personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos speakers for 
> years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them since they 
> implemented this practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
>> voice recognition
>>  
>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>  
>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
>> product
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it are 
>> basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to do.
>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
>> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want 
>> her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me as 
>> well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost equal!
>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for one 
>> user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment I'm 
>> sure.
>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>> Matthew
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
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>> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>>  
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>> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
>> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a pair 
>> of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice 
>> stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
>> wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, 
>> especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as how 
>> it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
>> Mary
>>  
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Re: iTunes layout?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

How does it do it in Windows?  Not sure exactly what you want here.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 20, 2018, at 07:47, Matt Turner  wrote:

Hi folks.
Just wondering if there’s a way to have vo speak the track number/ title like 
it does in windows?
If I’m on a song, I have to vo left, then I here the track number, then if I vo 
left again, I here the track title.

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iTunes layout?

[Matt Turner]

Hi folks.
Just wondering if there’s a way to have vo speak the track number/ title like 
it does in windows?
If I’m on a song, I have to vo left, then I here the track number, then if I vo 
left again, I here the track title.

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Re: Siri and music.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Krister,

I don't experience that issue.  I'm in the U.S. and have English as my default 
language on my devices.  I have music in Spanish and Italian, and have no 
trouble getting those albums to play (though I do anglicize  the pronunciation 
a bit).
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:49 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it has to do with language. It looks as if Siri has trouble 
> communicating in multiple languages at the same time, so if you have Siri set 
> to Swedish for example, it gets confused when suddenly one or more english or 
> other forreign words are thrown into the mix.
> That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
> /Krister
> 
> 
>> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> This I find interesting,
>> 
>> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding 
>> down the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play 
>> the albums 
>> 
>> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
>> for me. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Siri and music.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works 
>> when you want to play music from your apple device.
>> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
>> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
>> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
>> Very frustrating.
>> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
>> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
>> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
>> it did.
>> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
>> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
>> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
>> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
>> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
>> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
>> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
>> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
>> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
>> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
>> /A
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Re: Siri and music.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I also have no difficulty getting Siri to play music.  I simply say, "Play song 
(sonngname), Play Album (Album  name), and it works every time.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This I find interesting,
> 
> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding down 
> the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play the 
> albums 
> 
> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
> for me. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Siri and music.
> 
> Hi!
> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works when 
> you want to play music from your apple device.
> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
> Very frustrating.
> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
> it did.
> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
> /A
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Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Mary,

If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a lot of 
personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos speakers for 
years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them since they 
implemented this practice.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for 
> voice recognition
>  
> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>  
> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
> product
>  
> Hi Mary,
> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it are 
> basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to do.
> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
> Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want her 
> to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me as well 
> as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost equal!
> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for one 
> user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment I'm 
> sure.
> Hope this helps a little bit,
> Matthew
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com ; 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org 
> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>  
> Hi all,
> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a pair of 
> those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice stereo 
> set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still wonderful. I’m 
> just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, especially as a 
> stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as how it works 
> otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
> Mary
>  
>  
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Re: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site

[Christine Grassman]

> Normally I would rethink the option, but I was invited there by a friend and 
> was hoping to avoid having anyone read me the menu during a crowded lunch 
> hour. Ah, well . . . thanks.
Christine 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Ah, yeah well just checking that URL I think you should re think your eating 
> options.
>  
> The menu is a graphic on the page so you might be very lucky unless you have 
> some kind of OCR that will read the menu for you on that site.
>  
> Sorry 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 6:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Odd issue trying to read menu on web site
>  
> Good day all:
> I am attempting to read the menu of a restaurant nearby, and although there 
> is a link which takes me to the menu, I cannot access the contents. A sighted 
> person told me it is a pop-up, but there is no indication of anything. The 
> web site is here:
> https://manchimeansgood.com 
> I have tried using different browsers; interacting; using Tables, etc. I 
> cannot access the information, and there does not seem to be a way to 
> download the menu.
> Help or insight is appreciated.
> Christine
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Re: Siri and music.

[Krister Ekstrom]

I think it has to do with language. It looks as if Siri has trouble 
communicating in multiple languages at the same time, so if you have Siri set 
to Swedish for example, it gets confused when suddenly one or more english or 
other forreign words are thrown into the mix.
That’s my 2 cents for what it’s worth.
/Krister


> 20 nov. 2018 kl. 06:35 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> This I find interesting,
> 
> I just had siri play the wall and the wall delux release both by holding down 
> the power pbutton and saying play and also using the hey siri to play the 
> albums 
> 
> Can't see what the trouble is that your having as it worked all four times 
> for me. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:52 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Siri and music.
> 
> Hi!
> Actually i am beginning to be more and more sceptic about how Siri works when 
> you want to play music from your apple device.
> I don’t know why this is so hard but i tried to ask Siri to play The wall by 
> Pink Floyd yesterday and it didn’t work at all.
> Today i asked Siri t play a swedis song and it did not work.
> Very frustrating.
> I turned to my Nokia android phone and asked google assistant to play the 
> same song and Apple music started playing quite quick on my phone.
> I then tried to ask Google assistant to play THe wall by Pink floyd and yes 
> it did.
> Not wanting to bash apple here as i still have apple products and also in 
> respect to others that can use them with no problem.
> I am just a bit confused about why siri does not play music on my Ipad mini 
> which works quite well to play with  google assistant on my Android phone.
> I have apple music on both platforms so i t can’t be Apple Music.
> It must be some sort of problem with siri.
> I don’t know if its anidea to send some feedback to apple.
> Amaybe i should, maybe not.
> Now its time for you to have ideas on this thread if you’re intrested.
> Blessings from a Cold stockholm!
> /A
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RE: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I can’t confirm it but I’m pretty sure that sonos does provide a type of atmos 
sound now.

I know they do have a surround sound but can’t remember what it is called in 
their system.

Still it’s up to the user what they like when it comes to sound.
I highly recommend try before you buy in the case of speakers.

Good luck.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 6:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
product

Hi Simon,
No, I really haven’t thought about using Sonos. I can’t exactly say why, except 
that I am always been interested in this sort of three-dimensional sound that 
you supposedly got from the HomePod. I don’t think Sonos offers that.
Mary

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On Nov 19, 2018, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  for voice 
recognition

I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.

Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple 
product


Hi Mary,

I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it are 
basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:

Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to do.

Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, say, 
Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what I want her 
to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't hear me as well as 
Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say they're almost equal!

Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for one 
user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family environment I'm sure.

Hope this helps a little bit,

Matthew



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
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Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product



Hi all,

This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the HomePod 
speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a pair of those in 
an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a nice stereo set up, but 
it’s rather old, although the speakers are still wonderful. I’m just curious 
what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, especially as a stereo pair in a 
moderate sized living room, as well as how it works otherwise. Siri, phone 
calls, etc.

Mary





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