Re: Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job]
On 07/09/2009 01:30, Rich Ring wrote: > Actually, all I have been trying to do is set up a gmail pop account. Do you mean you're just trying to configure POP access to your Gmail account with Apple Mail? > No go. Did you follow the instructions at: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13275 If so, which step failed and how? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job]
Actually, all I have been trying to do is set up a gmail pop account. No go. - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" To: Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:32 AM Subject: Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job] On 04/09/2009 21:50, Rich Ring wrote: > However, with my inability to send and receive email [snip] I am thus far > not > overjoyed with this machine at all. [snip] > I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I > will just stick to Windows for mail right now. Are you using Gmail's web interface with Safari? If so, here's four things you might like to try, if you haven't already: 1. Try Gmail's basic HTML view via https://mail.google.com/mail/h . Instructions at: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=15049 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=64950 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 2. Try Gmail's standard view, but in Opera 10 instead of Safari. Download Opera from: http://www.opera.com/download/ Instructions for using with VoiceOver here: http://www.iheni.com/using-opera-10-beta-with-voiceover/ 3. Try Gmail's basic HTML view again, but with Opera instead of Safari. 4. Use Apple Mail to access your Gmail over IMAP. Instructions here: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81379 The standard web view of Gmail depends on support for an experimental technology (ARIA) for screen reader access. Safari's support for ARIA is still rather rudimentary, although Apple are involved in attempts to standardize how ARIA should work. Opera claims better support for the ARIA draft specification: http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto22/#aria As the draft is rather unclear, implementations in Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, and Safari are likely to differ, so your mileage may vary. You may (or may not) find the "glacial performance" you mentioned on the web improves with Opera; it's worth a shot. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Using Gmail with VoiceOver [was: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job]
On 04/09/2009 21:50, Rich Ring wrote: > However, with my inability to send and receive email [snip] I am thus far not > overjoyed with this machine at all. [snip] > I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I > will just stick to Windows for mail right now. Are you using Gmail's web interface with Safari? If so, here's four things you might like to try, if you haven't already: 1. Try Gmail's basic HTML view via https://mail.google.com/mail/h . Instructions at: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=15049 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=64950 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 2. Try Gmail's standard view, but in Opera 10 instead of Safari. Download Opera from: http://www.opera.com/download/ Instructions for using with VoiceOver here: http://www.iheni.com/using-opera-10-beta-with-voiceover/ 3. Try Gmail's basic HTML view again, but with Opera instead of Safari. 4. Use Apple Mail to access your Gmail over IMAP. Instructions here: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=81379 The standard web view of Gmail depends on support for an experimental technology (ARIA) for screen reader access. Safari's support for ARIA is still rather rudimentary, although Apple are involved in attempts to standardize how ARIA should work. Opera claims better support for the ARIA draft specification: http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto22/#aria As the draft is rather unclear, implementations in Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, and Safari are likely to differ, so your mileage may vary. You may (or may not) find the "glacial performance" you mentioned on the web improves with Opera; it's worth a shot. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
You need a monitor, that really sucks. - Original Message - From: "Rich Ring" To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that horrible article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a Mac and attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and I wanted to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect have said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and receive email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus far not overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, that I would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go with my Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny footprint. But if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I will just stick to Windows for mail right now. - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: > Also, Lets be grateful that > NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
I have tried the adapter, but Safari is still basically useless. I have another question, however. Whenever I start my Mac, it tries to connect to a secured wireless network, and I always have to use the Airport menu to choose the network I want. Is there any way I can get the Mac to connect to my home network automatically?On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: > > You may only need the adaptor that came with your mac mini, and not a > monitor itself. > On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > >> >> I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that >> horrible >> article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a >> Mac and >> attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and >> I wanted >> to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect >> have >> said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and >> receive >> email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus >> far not >> overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, >> that I >> would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go >> with my >> Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of >> the >> reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny >> footprint. But >> if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. >> I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and >> therefore I >> will just stick to Windows for mail right now. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Justin Harford" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM >> Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a >> good job >> >> >> >> Howdy >> El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: >> >>> Also, Lets be grateful that >>> NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. >> >> Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! >> >> Justin >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
You may only need the adaptor that came with your mac mini, and not a monitor itself. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that > horrible > article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a > Mac and > attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and > I wanted > to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect > have > said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and > receive > email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus > far not > overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, > that I > would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go > with my > Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the > reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny > footprint. But > if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. > I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and > therefore I > will just stick to Windows for mail right now. > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Harford" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a > good job > > > > Howdy > El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: > >> Also, Lets be grateful that >> NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. > > Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! > > Justin > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that horrible article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a Mac and attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and I wanted to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect have said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and receive email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus far not overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, that I would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go with my Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny footprint. But if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and therefore I will just stick to Windows for mail right now. - Original Message - From: "Justin Harford" To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: > Also, Lets be grateful that > NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
Howdy El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: > Also, Lets be grateful that > NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
Certainly, i let them know that I bought a mac in the first place and that I was thankful for all the work that was being done by them. Also when I mailed them just now I said I was very happy with voicover and sl overall. Greetings, Anouk On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:10 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I know that there are a few issues at the moment with Snow Leopard. > But I > think it's a good idea to let Aple Accessibility know when things > work well > as well as when they don't because over all the work Apple have done > to make > the operating system accessible is phenomenal. Also, Lets be > grateful that > NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. > > Take care > > James > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
Hi folks, I know that there are a few issues at the moment with Snow Leopard. But I think it's a good idea to let Aple Accessibility know when things work well as well as when they don't because over all the work Apple have done to make the operating system accessible is phenomenal. Also, Lets be grateful that NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
