[Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
Hi all, probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and rpmdrake): title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake' link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with someone similar to this: "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want to remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we discourage the use of this comand" is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new package. Please, let me know cheers Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: Hi all, probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and rpmdrake): title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake' link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with someone similar to this: "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want to remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we discourage the use of this comand" is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new package. Please, let me know then you still ask for changes... :/ anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started testing final isos, so no changes at this point. -- Thomas
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
On Fri, 27 May 2011, Marcello Anni wrote: > Hi all, > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and > rpmdrake): And probably everyone interested already follow the bug on bugzilla.
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: > > Hi all, > > > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and > > rpmdrake): > > > > title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake' > > > > link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 > > > > > > as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a > > Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... > > > > workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with someone > > similar to this: > > > > "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want to > > remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we discourage the > > use of this comand" > > > > is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the > > localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new > > package. Please, let me know > > > > then you still ask for changes... :/ > > anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started > testing final isos, so no changes at this point. ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i'd understand before that it's impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change (that anyway it's not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the release. > > -- > Thomas > thanks cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
2011/5/27 Marcello Anni > > Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi > (and > > > rpmdrake): > > > > > > title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using > rpmdrake' > > > > > > link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 > > > > > > > > > as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a > > > > Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... > > > > > > > workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with > someone > > > similar to this: > > > > > > "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you > want > to > > > remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we > discourage > the > > > use of this comand" > > > > > > is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the > > > localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the > new > > > package. Please, let me know > > > > > > > then you still ask for changes... :/ > > > > anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started > > testing final isos, so no changes at this point. > > ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i'd understand before that it's > impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change > (that > anyway it's not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the > release. > Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read bugzilla messages. That's it > > > -- > > Thomas > > > > thanks > > cheers, > Marcello > -- Anne http://www.mageia.org
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> 2011/5/27 Marcello Anni > > > > Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi > > (and > > > > rpmdrake): > > > > > > > > title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using > > rpmdrake' > > > > > > > > link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 > > > > > > > > > > > > as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a > > > > > > Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... > > > > > > > > > > workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with > > someone > > > > similar to this: > > > > > > > > "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you > > want > > to > > > > remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we > > discourage > > the > > > > use of this comand" > > > > > > > > is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the > > > > localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the > > new > > > > package. Please, let me know > > > > > > > > > > then you still ask for changes... :/ > > > > > > anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started > > > testing final isos, so no changes at this point. > > > > ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i'd understand before that it's > > impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change > > (that > > anyway it's not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the > > release. > > > > Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read > bugzilla messages. > That's it i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is always appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 12:43 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is > always > appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your > choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i > update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). Then, we may have a communication problem, as we displayed on a lot of place that we do the release soon. Anne posted a mail here with informations, we published the planning, etc. Yet, it seems people didn't get the message, so there is likely something to improve. -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
2011/5/27 Michael Scherer : > Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 12:43 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > >> i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is >> always >> appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your >> choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i >> update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). > > Then, we may have a communication problem, as we displayed on a lot of > place that we do the release soon. Anne posted a mail here with > informations, we published the planning, etc. > > Yet, it seems people didn't get the message, so there is likely > something to improve. Pls don't generalize :) To my impression people (same generalisation) did get the message about Final Freeze and all that. Especially people reading this list here or other lists like marcomm, artwork, i18n. Experiences of us all show that it is impossible to spread an information in a way that there will not be those few users who did not get it. -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
On 27 May 2011 12:43, Marcello Anni wrote: >> Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read >> bugzilla messages. >> That's it > > i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is always > appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your > choice, please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need changes in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i > update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed).
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> 2011/5/27 Michael Scherer : > > Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 12:43 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > >> i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is always > >> appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your > >> choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i > >> update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). > > > > Then, we may have a communication problem, as we displayed on a lot of > > place that we do the release soon. Anne posted a mail here with > > informations, we published the planning, etc. no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the explanation of Anne that disappointed me. > > > > Yet, it seems people didn't get the message, so there is likely > > something to improve. > > Pls don't generalize :) > To my impression people (same generalisation) did get the message > about Final Freeze and all that. Especially people reading this list > here or other lists like marcomm, artwork, i18n. Experiences of us all > show that it is impossible to spread an information in a way that > there will not be those few users who did not get it. > > -- > wobo > but in fact i know that we are in freeze, but i see also that some packages (e.g. mageiaonline) continue to be improved for release, so i think that there is still some time. maybe i'm wrong but i don't see the reason to answer so rude >Thiery wrote: > please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need changes > in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't have technical skills but i don't think so... cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:49, Marcello Anni wrote: > no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the > explanation of Anne that disappointed me. Note to self for next time: take a photo of ennael handing a huge sign "It's freeze time!" with a large smile + a link to a tutorial that explains what that means for everyone - and put it in a corner of all mageia.org web sites. > but in fact i know that we are in freeze, but i see also that some packages > (e.g. mageiaonline) continue to be improved for release, Not improved, but fixed. Because this one is release critical - this has nothing to do with a cosmectic change. > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i > don't > have technical skills but i don't think so... No, but being in freeze disregards totally that a change is trivial (changing the string) or not (fixing the behaviour). It's not a release critical bug, so it just does not get on the table past the freeze date. And even less (because there are exceptions) when the release time is approaching. Romain
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
2011/5/27 Romain d'Alverny : > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:49, Marcello Anni wrote: >> no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the >> explanation of Anne that disappointed me. > > Note to self for next time: take a photo of ennael handing a huge sign > "It's freeze time!" with a large smile I'll take you up on that! I just put this mail in my "Important" mail folder... Looking forward -- wobo
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:49, Marcello Anni wrote: > > no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the > > explanation of Anne that disappointed me. > > Note to self for next time: take a photo of ennael handing a huge sign > "It's freeze time!" with a large smile + a link to a tutorial that > explains what that means for everyone - and put it in a corner of all > mageia.org web sites. good idea : ) > > > but in fact i know that we are in freeze, but i see also that some packages > > (e.g. mageiaonline) continue to be improved for release, > > Not improved, but fixed. Because this one is release critical - this > has nothing to do with a cosmectic change. ok, it's not release critical but it's not neither a cosmetic change, as users are suggested to remove those packages and in the 99% of the cases it brings huge issues... and we should also remember that a person that uses linux is curious and wants the best for his system, if he reads "these packages are now unuseful (and he doesn't come from mandriva)" he probably (50%?) will try the comand > > > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't > > have technical skills but i don't think so... > > No, but being in freeze disregards totally that a change is trivial > (changing the string) or not (fixing the behaviour). It's not a > release critical bug, so it just does not get on the table past the > freeze date. And even less (because there are exceptions) when the > release time is approaching. andré blais proposed a similar solution on 2011-04-29, it's not a last-day proposal: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920#c6 > > Romain > hope it will be fixed in some updates for mageia 1 release. cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 14:49 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > >Thiery wrote: > > please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need > changes > > in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". > > > > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i > don't > have technical skills but i don't think so... It is not, but this would requires to have every translator to update the string, and I think they are already busy on release notes, etc. I agree that the change seems good ( but I didn't look at the bug ), and maybe we should review the various strings. So IMHO, it is better to fix that after the release, and using a update for the stable release would still allow people to benefit from it ( as well as newer translations later ). -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 14:49 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > >Thiery wrote: > > > please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need > > changes > > > in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". > > > > > > > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't > > have technical skills but i don't think so... > > It is not, but this would requires to have every translator to update > the string, and I think they are already busy on release notes, etc. > > I agree that the change seems good ( but I didn't look at the bug ), and > maybe we should review the various strings. > > So IMHO, it is better to fix that after the release, and using a update > for the stable release would still allow people to benefit from it ( as > well as newer translations later ). > > -- > Michael Scherer > > ok, thank you for your interesting. cheers, Marcello
