VIRGIL: Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #16
Can you please stop sending me this stuff, I have wrote before but stuff keeps coming. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 10 20:22:41 1999 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id VAA18773; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL Digest V1 #16 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk VIRGIL Digest Wednesday, 10 February 1999Volume 01 : Number 016 RE: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid VIRGIL: Re: Appendix (Spenser) The epic form of the Aenid Reading the Aeneid Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid Moral values in Aeneid question Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid Helen's Abduction Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction -- From: Rodriguez, Katherine C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:42:00 +0800 Subject: RE: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid -- Dear Jenny, I am afraid that these questions that you need to ask are made by the teachers in my school. If you need anymore, just let me know. Katherine -- From: David Wilson-Okamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:29:08 -0600 Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Appendix (Spenser) This will be of interest to some: reading through the most recent issue of Spenser Newsletter last night I came across the following notice: Thomas, Kerri Lynne. A Note on Spenser's Translation of _Culex_. Spenser Studies 12 (1998, for 1991): 205-06. Spenser's Virgil's Gnat adds a phrase not found in his original: line 400's murdred troupes. Spenser found this idea in _The His- tory of Jason_, Caxton's translation of Raoul Le Fevre's fifteenth century romance _Fais de Jason_. Sounds like another great instance of generic contamination in this period: Spenser knows the classical text at first hand, but he still reads it through the filter of medieval romance. - --- David Wilson-Okamurahttp://www.virgil.org/chaucer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Chaucer: an annotated guide to online resources - --- -- From: Pete Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:18:24 -0800 Subject: The epic form of the Aenid This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My question is, are there any books or information available which would = discuss the form of an epic and how that form is evident in the Aenid. Thanks - --=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN HTML HEAD META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type META content=3D'MSHTML 4.72.3110.7' name=3DGENERATOR /HEAD BODY bgColor=3D#ff DIVFONT color=3D#00 size=3D2My question is, are there any books = or=20 information available which would discuss the form of an epic and how = that form=20 is evident in the Aenid./FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=3D#00 size=3D2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=3D#00 size=3D2Thanks/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML - --=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580-- -- From: JAMES C Wiersum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:48:34 -0800 Subject: Reading the Aeneid Dear Jenny, I think one of the best study books for reading the Aeneid is Kenneth Quinn's, Virgil's Aeneid. It is probably out of print but can possibly be acquired at a good used book store or on line. Though Quinn's book is scholarly and a bit technical, the beauty of his book is that each book of the Aeneid gets a summary, an analysis in outline form, and a commentary. It does not get any better than this. Give it a try. James C. Wiersum ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:46:48 EST Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid James, Thank you for the help. I will look into it. jenny -- From: Pete Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:29:26 -0800 Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid Thanks for the help have a great day Pete -
Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction
Although no-one has actually said it, it will be clear from the variety of responses and the reference to various authors that there is no one Helen; each author was and is free to interpret the character Helen as he/she sees fit. However, the most interesting (because ambiguous and many-sided) view of Helen's response to Menelaos, to Paris and to sexual passion and family life is Homer's Iliad, the episode of the single combat in Books 2,3,4. There we see the power of beauty, male and female, and of sexual attraction studied in a masterly way in a variety of contexts including the old men on the wall and Priam himself. There the power of Aphrodite is shown for what it is - not something to be trifled with. And that portrayal of Helen is set right beside - not contrasted - with the portrait of Andromache that follows. Rebecca and her girls, if they have not read those passages of the Iliad, truly have a treat in store! yn From: Rebecca Smyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:49:31 PST Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Salvete! Thank you all for your comments and insight. I am most grateful for your help and I'm certain that my girls will also apreciate it; I'm looking forward to my next class with them and an exciting discussion. I would definitely enjoy reading the speech which Georgias wrote: thank you in advance for forwarding it to me. I shall turn now to Homer, Euripides and Ovid and investigate this matter further. I'm thoroughly enjoying teaching our heritage, particularly with such marvellous discussions from interested students. Thank you, again, for providing me with further questions and ideas to put to my students. Rebecca Smyth __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub Yvan Nadeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0131-650-3575 --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction
Ave! On question #1: Odysseus is in a situation that he is totally helpless. His situation also points to an exile and exile is a hard thing in his times. These two points might help in understanding Odysseus' tears. On question #2: His name, I think, came from his relatives after a hunting episode where a boar attacked him but he managed to kill the boar. So, I think, Odysseus is a name that denotes trouble. He is trouble. Vale, Ariel From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 11 13:01:50 1999 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id NAA22569; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:26:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:26:17 -0800 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jack Kolb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This fascinating (and to me educational) discussion emboldens me--who knows only a little Latin, and no Greek--to ask three questions which are outside the parameters of Virgil. The first is slightly analogous to the Helen question. 1. Is Odysseus supposed to be held by Calypso entirely against his will? In other words, is he, during the years of captivity, constantly pining to return to Ithaca, and a reluctant sex slave? Or does he succumb to the charms of the nymph? I'm especially interested in classical commentators on this issue. 2. Is the derivation of Odysseus' name in any way connected with the wound he received as a youth? One of my older and brighter students in one of my Joyce classes told me he had heard this, but couldn't supply a source. 3. Years ago I was told that the phrase used by Nixon's vice-president, Spiro Agnew, to characterize the conservative heart of America, the silent majority, was a tag that Homer used to describe the dead. Is this true? Many thanks in advance for the collective wisdom of the list. Jack Kolb Dept. of English, UCLA [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
