Re: [MBZ] OT - B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
As Marvin Zindler in Houston used to say in the Slime Report, "Slahm inna Ice Machine!" Marvin was famous, not only for his large collection of toupees and pastel suits and 40+ plastic surgeries, but also for busting that home out on the range. If you have ever heard ZZTop's Lagrange, or of The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, you know what I'm talkin about. (they got a lotta nice girls down there hunh hunh hunh hunh) --R (sent from my miniPad) On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I had dysentery. Got it from the ice cubes in the Diet Coke. Lost almost 20 > pounds in two weeks. I don't take restaurant ice. I'd rather have my fountain pop water main temperature than with restaurant ice in it. I've seen too many ice machine pics on the Wall of Shame at hvac-talk. Many restaurants clean them regularly. Some restaurants clean them never. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
This wasn't at a restaurant. It was at my customer's house. Better, his palatial estate. > On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > >> I had dysentery. Got it from the ice cubes in the Diet Coke. Lost almost >> 20 pounds in two weeks. > > I don't take restaurant ice. I'd rather have my fountain pop water main > temperature than with restaurant ice in it. > > I've seen too many ice machine pics on the Wall of Shame at hvac-talk. > Many restaurants clean them regularly. Some restaurants clean them never. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I had dysentery. Got it from the ice cubes in the Diet Coke. Lost almost 20 pounds in two weeks. I don't take restaurant ice. I'd rather have my fountain pop water main temperature than with restaurant ice in it. I've seen too many ice machine pics on the Wall of Shame at hvac-talk. Many restaurants clean them regularly. Some restaurants clean them never. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] More falling into winter
Cheer up, Randy. You'll probably get a brutal freeze or early blizzard... Or both... Before (US) Thanksgiving On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought I had another day to drive my car. > The way that our insurance works, we have quarterly payments. One is due > tomorrow so that is when we normally convert the car to storage insurance > and cancel the normal insurance. > My good wife went in and paid the insurance today and they made the change > today. So, I cannot drive it tomorrow. End of the line until spring. Darn! > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
Our consumptive rule, especially in third world countries, was don't drink it if it doesn't go "fzzzt" when you open it I only got sick a couple of times when traveling to the far corners. Once, while doing a month long stint in Cairo, we were leaving the next day and the guys we worked with in the shop at the Egyptian Railway wanted to bring us lunch. We didn't want to offend, so when they showed up the next day during the morning tea break with some local bread and hard cheese we partook without concern. We had been eating all sorts of stuff from street vendors without negative results while we were there so we figured anything they would bring couldn't be any worse The next morning I was on a KLM flight to Amsterdam, looking forward to an "open jaw" on the return which would give us three days in Amsterdam at the airline's expense. As was the custom, we had bulkhead seats in business class, in this case being the row at one of the door exits, providing plenty of legroom in front of us. Fortunately for me, on the other side of the bulkhead was the head. It started slowly but by mid flight I had worn a path in the carpet to the bathroom. Luckily, I was pretty well cleaned out by the time we landed, but boy oh boy, was that unpleasant. Made up for the losses during travel the following three days in Amsterdam. The second and worst time was when I was working in the Dominican Republic. You definitely don't want to eat anything suspect there, for the obvious reasons. We had a business meeting at our customer's house one afternoon a day before we left. His brother owned the local Anejo distillery, so there was rum being served all over the place. I do my best to avoid drinking while conducting business, so I asked for a Diet Coke. Three days later when I was back in the States and I developed what I would consider "explosive", uh, well, you get the idea, I went over and had some tests run in the company infirmary. I had dysentery. Got it from the ice cubes in the Diet Coke. Lost almost 20 pounds in two weeks. Lesson learned. Dan > On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > In Uganda, I was told "don't drink the water" and don't drink the milk > whatever you do" > > Going to work, we passed the modern sanitary dairy twice a day. It looked > better than most in the USA. The milk was bagged in 1 or 2 L bags, Euro > style. > > I got up enough nerve to try the butter with no ill effects. After a week or > 10 days I started drinking the milk. THe effects of the anti-malaria pills > were terrible, so I stopped taking them. I figured malaria could not be much > worse. drinking 70ºF water got very old, so I had a bottle of coca cola or > other form of pop each evening. It was quite enjoyable in the evening > outside the hotel on the patio. > > The entire trip was a great experience, and I got neither dysentery nor > malaria, not any other gastric disorder. I did get very sick of curry > powder, as every evening meal was cooked with curry powder. I was so sick of > curry that one night i ordered pizza. You can imagine how sickening the > pizza was when it arrived, covered with curry powder. To this day, I have > only once managed to eat something with curry powder since then that did not > turn my stomach. It was a Filipino dish and was very tasty. > > The curry was ok at first, but after weeks of everything curry, I was sick of > it. > > >> A couple years ago Angie and I went on a cruise. One of the stops was >> Cozumel in Mexico. I noticed at that stop that unlike all the other places >> we had been the ship didn't take on water. We went to a dolphinarium and >> swam with the dolphins and had lunch there. At lunch I noticed that the >> water we were given was bottled. >> >> Later, walking on the street my wife noticed a shaved ice vendor and decided >> she wanted a shaved ice. I foolishly said "no, don't get shaved ice". Angie >> about pitched a fit. To her credit we were 5 days into a 7 day trip and it >> was late in the day, she was tired and we were both getting kind of punchy. >> >> Trying not to be insulting to the vendor I quietly informed my wife that if >> she had a shaved ice and it "upset her stomach" I was going to kick her out >> and she could sleep in the public bathroom. She got the picture. >> >> I don't know if the water was going to make her sick but I certainly didn't >> want to take a chance. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> From: WILTON via Mercedes >> To: mercedes list ; WILTON >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:02 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER >> >> >> DON'T DRINK THE WATER >> By Wilton Strickland >> >>During the entire three to four months, while flying bombing missions >> from Thailand to Vietnam in Sep - Dec, 1972, we had been told many times, >> "Don't drink the local wate
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > THAT, SIR, is a GREAT one!Worthy of a MASH prank! > > Agreed! Worthy of an ATTABOY! even if it isn't a MB repair... :D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Dead Men Get No X-Rays
Beautiful plumage! On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > He was only pinin > > --R > > > > On 10/30/14 6:31 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes wrote: > >> The wife, who is an X-Ray tech at the crosstown clinic, tried to process >> a 41 year old white male for a scan, but couldn't because he was "dead". >> It was the opinion of my highly trained spouse that, not only was he not >> deceased, he was actually in pretty robust physical condition. >> He got shuffled off to the reception / data processing / information >> management bureaucracy, in what I would assume, was an attempt to >> electronically revive him. Karen stayed until the clinic closed and told me >> he never came back for his X-Rays. >> DBV, degaussed from this earthly hard drive information minister >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying
Time for all new rubber in the air part of the fuel injection -- new idle control valve hoses, new boot for the fuel distributor, and new seals between manifold halves. Normal maintenace, alas. Also check to make sure the air flow metering flap is moving normally, the electrohydraulic control valve on the fuel distributor is not leaking, and that the ignition wires are not leaking huge amounts of current. Look for spiderweb burn marks were the coil wire and plug wires are close to metal, this means they are shot. Might need a new distributor cap as well, and getting leaks fixed if it has carbon tracks in it. Most likely a bad idle control valve hose or sticking idle control valve it if dies on deceleration -- the valve closes as it should but does not open fast enough to keep the idle from dropping to zero as the car slows down. And don't forget to check the fuel pumps -- there are two, and if either is going out, it will do everything you mention. Bad fuel pump relay can do the same thing, but usually as a result of a bad fuel pump drawing too much current. You can check the relay by jumpering around it temporarily -- if the car runs fine with a jumper instead of the relay, replace the relay and check the current draw on BOTH pumps. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
In Uganda, I was told "don't drink the water" and don't drink the milk whatever you do" Going to work, we passed the modern sanitary dairy twice a day. It looked better than most in the USA. The milk was bagged in 1 or 2 L bags, Euro style. I got up enough nerve to try the butter with no ill effects. After a week or 10 days I started drinking the milk. THe effects of the anti-malaria pills were terrible, so I stopped taking them. I figured malaria could not be much worse. drinking 70ºF water got very old, so I had a bottle of coca cola or other form of pop each evening. It was quite enjoyable in the evening outside the hotel on the patio. The entire trip was a great experience, and I got neither dysentery nor malaria, not any other gastric disorder. I did get very sick of curry powder, as every evening meal was cooked with curry powder. I was so sick of curry that one night i ordered pizza. You can imagine how sickening the pizza was when it arrived, covered with curry powder. To this day, I have only once managed to eat something with curry powder since then that did not turn my stomach. It was a Filipino dish and was very tasty. The curry was ok at first, but after weeks of everything curry, I was sick of it. A couple years ago Angie and I went on a cruise. One of the stops was Cozumel in Mexico. I noticed at that stop that unlike all the other places we had been the ship didn't take on water. We went to a dolphinarium and swam with the dolphins and had lunch there. At lunch I noticed that the water we were given was bottled. Later, walking on the street my wife noticed a shaved ice vendor and decided she wanted a shaved ice. I foolishly said "no, don't get shaved ice". Angie about pitched a fit. To her credit we were 5 days into a 7 day trip and it was late in the day, she was tired and we were both getting kind of punchy. Trying not to be insulting to the vendor I quietly informed my wife that if she had a shaved ice and it "upset her stomach" I was going to kick her out and she could sleep in the public bathroom. She got the picture. I don't know if the water was going to make her sick but I certainly didn't want to take a chance. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes To: mercedes list ; WILTON Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER DON'T DRINK THE WATER By Wilton Strickland During the entire three to four months, while flying bombing missions from Thailand to Vietnam in Sep - Dec, 1972, we had been told many times, "Don't drink the local water," because of the danger of possibly getting dysentery or some other digestive system malady. Two of our Thai maids had been saying for quite some time, "We want to take you to a Thai movie. Pease let us; when may we take you?" Finally, on the afternoon of Dec 28th, when the women learned that the other two members of my Kincheloe crew and I would not be flying that night, they insisted they take us to a movie. We agreed and traveled early that evening via a Thai bus to a large city, Rayong, about 12 miles from base. Before entering the theater, the women stocked up on snacks - candy bars, cokes, peanuts, fried banana chips, etc. - quite a feast, I thought. We thought they were getting all of that stuff for themselves, but evidently, they were trying to make sure we three men were well fed, also. The women passed snacks to us continuously during the entire double feature movie - even shelled peanuts for us. The theater was like any movie theater in Anytown, USA - clean, comfortable, and cool. I don't remember what the movies were about - American, I think, speaking Thai, with English subtitles. After the movie and while walking back to the bus stop, we came upon a "cart café" - the owner transports the entire restaurant - food, stove, ice, water, soft drinks, table, chairs - everything - on a small cart and sets it up on the sidewalk. Surprisingly, the women said they were hungry and asked, "May we get something to eat?" I exclaimed, jokingly, "Gosh! We've been eating steadily for the last two & a half hours, but yes, of course, you may get something to eat, if you want." We all sat down at the small tables on the sidewalk; the café owner placed beautiful glasses of shaved ice and water before each of us and asked what we would like to eat. The women ordered noodles and some other stuff, but the other two men and I ordered nothing. While waiting, I toyed with the cold glass of shaved ice and water in front of me. Ambient temperature was about 85F and had been above 95F during the day; I was very thirsty. I thought about the many SAMs we had dodged during the last few days and somehow thought, foolishly, of course, "If all those SAMs can't get me, surely a glass of ice water is OK." I also had another fleeting thought, and said jokingl
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
We were told the same thing in Italy, between '96 and '99. We were sternly warned to only drink bottled water, brush our teeth with bottled water, use bottled water in any food that wasn't heated to boiling. After I'd been there a bit and befriended a doctor and some other folks who worked at the Naples naval hospital, I learned that "some" local water would fail tests once or twice a year. After considering the odds for a bit, I started drinking the water from the tap when needed. Never got sick from the water. When I was "in the sand box" for a year, working in one of Saddam's palaces, we got the same warning. There was an Army colonel that I worked with who was a Ranger and thought himself pretty tough. He drank the water in the palace every day. One day I asked if he ever got sick from the water, he laughed and said no. I suffer from years of sun exposure on my Irish skin, and develop pre-cancerous spots on my face, neck and hands which my dermatologist freezes or burns off every year or two. The military dermatologist didn't have the patience I guess, and prescribed a cream for me to apply to my face for two weeks. This cream is basically a very strong chemical peel, "sunburn in a tube" I called it. After the first week of applying this cream, my face was bright red and quite painful. By the second week, it was blistered and really looked awful. During this painful episode, Colonel Ranger asked me one day if I was ok, and what happened to my face. I told him I started following his example, washing my face and drinking water from the palace bathroom. He turned pale and his eyes got big, but I couldn't keep a straight face and started laughing, and told him the real story. I will never forget the look on his face. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ THAT, SIR, is a GREAT one!Worthy of a MASH prank! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Dead Men Get No X-Rays
He was only pinin --R On 10/30/14 6:31 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes wrote: The wife, who is an X-Ray tech at the crosstown clinic, tried to process a 41 year old white male for a scan, but couldn't because he was "dead". It was the opinion of my highly trained spouse that, not only was he not deceased, he was actually in pretty robust physical condition. He got shuffled off to the reception / data processing / information management bureaucracy, in what I would assume, was an attempt to electronically revive him. Karen stayed until the clinic closed and told me he never came back for his X-Rays. DBV, degaussed from this earthly hard drive information minister ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
We were told the same thing in Italy, between '96 and '99. We were sternly warned to only drink bottled water, brush our teeth with bottled water, use bottled water in any food that wasn't heated to boiling. After I'd been there a bit and befriended a doctor and some other folks who worked at the Naples naval hospital, I learned that "some" local water would fail tests once or twice a year. After considering the odds for a bit, I started drinking the water from the tap when needed. Never got sick from the water. When I was "in the sand box" for a year, working in one of Saddam's palaces, we got the same warning. There was an Army colonel that I worked with who was a Ranger and thought himself pretty tough. He drank the water in the palace every day. One day I asked if he ever got sick from the water, he laughed and said no. I suffer from years of sun exposure on my Irish skin, and develop pre-cancerous spots on my face, neck and hands which my dermatologist freezes or burns off every year or two. The military dermatologist didn't have the patience I guess, and prescribed a cream for me to apply to my face for two weeks. This cream is basically a very strong chemical peel, "sunburn in a tube" I called it. After the first week of applying this cream, my face was bright red and quite painful. By the second week, it was blistered and really looked awful. During this painful episode, Colonel Ranger asked me one day if I was ok, and what happened to my face. I told him I started following his example, washing my face and drinking water from the palace bathroom. He turned pale and his eyes got big, but I couldn't keep a straight face and started laughing, and told him the real story. I will never forget the look on his face. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Dead Men Get No X-Rays
The wife, who is an X-Ray tech at the crosstown clinic, tried to process a 41 year old white male for a scan, but couldn't because he was "dead". It was the opinion of my highly trained spouse that, not only was he not deceased, he was actually in pretty robust physical condition. He got shuffled off to the reception / data processing / information management bureaucracy, in what I would assume, was an attempt to electronically revive him. Karen stayed until the clinic closed and told me he never came back for his X-Rays. DBV, degaussed from this earthly hard drive information minister ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
A couple years ago Angie and I went on a cruise. One of the stops was Cozumel in Mexico. I noticed at that stop that unlike all the other places we had been the ship didn't take on water. We went to a dolphinarium and swam with the dolphins and had lunch there. At lunch I noticed that the water we were given was bottled. Later, walking on the street my wife noticed a shaved ice vendor and decided she wanted a shaved ice. I foolishly said "no, don't get shaved ice". Angie about pitched a fit. To her credit we were 5 days into a 7 day trip and it was late in the day, she was tired and we were both getting kind of punchy. Trying not to be insulting to the vendor I quietly informed my wife that if she had a shaved ice and it "upset her stomach" I was going to kick her out and she could sleep in the public bathroom. She got the picture. I don't know if the water was going to make her sick but I certainly didn't want to take a chance. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes To: mercedes list ; WILTON Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER DON'T DRINK THE WATER By Wilton Strickland During the entire three to four months, while flying bombing missions from Thailand to Vietnam in Sep - Dec, 1972, we had been told many times, "Don't drink the local water," because of the danger of possibly getting dysentery or some other digestive system malady. Two of our Thai maids had been saying for quite some time, "We want to take you to a Thai movie. Pease let us; when may we take you?" Finally, on the afternoon of Dec 28th, when the women learned that the other two members of my Kincheloe crew and I would not be flying that night, they insisted they take us to a movie. We agreed and traveled early that evening via a Thai bus to a large city, Rayong, about 12 miles from base. Before entering the theater, the women stocked up on snacks - candy bars, cokes, peanuts, fried banana chips, etc. - quite a feast, I thought. We thought they were getting all of that stuff for themselves, but evidently, they were trying to make sure we three men were well fed, also. The women passed snacks to us continuously during the entire double feature movie - even shelled peanuts for us. The theater was like any movie theater in Anytown, USA - clean, comfortable, and cool. I don't remember what the movies were about - American, I think, speaking Thai, with English subtitles. After the movie and while walking back to the bus stop, we came upon a "cart café" - the owner transports the entire restaurant - food, stove, ice, water, soft drinks, table, chairs - everything - on a small cart and sets it up on the sidewalk. Surprisingly, the women said they were hungry and asked, "May we get something to eat?" I exclaimed, jokingly, "Gosh! We've been eating steadily for the last two & a half hours, but yes, of course, you may get something to eat, if you want." We all sat down at the small tables on the sidewalk; the café owner placed beautiful glasses of shaved ice and water before each of us and asked what we would like to eat. The women ordered noodles and some other stuff, but the other two men and I ordered nothing. While waiting, I toyed with the cold glass of shaved ice and water in front of me. Ambient temperature was about 85F and had been above 95F during the day; I was very thirsty. I thought about the many SAMs we had dodged during the last few days and somehow thought, foolishly, of course, "If all those SAMs can't get me, surely a glass of ice water is OK." I also had another fleeting thought, and said jokingly, "If it makes me sick, maybe I won't have to go to Hanoi again tomorrow night." I turned the glass up to my lips and drank away. The instant I put the glass down, the café owner re-filled it with shaved ice and water; I quickly downed it again - 'don't know when I've ever had better glasses of water. The other two guys, seeing me be so brave (or foolish), followed suit. None of us ever felt a thing! We went to Hanoi again the following night, anyway. BTW, for those who are wondering - there was nothing else "going on" between us and the women. They knew we'd be leaving soon and simply wanted to show their appreciation for our treating them with great respect and to demonstrate some Thai hospitality. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To sear
[MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - DON'T DRINK THE WATER
DON'T DRINK THE WATER By Wilton Strickland During the entire three to four months, while flying bombing missions from Thailand to Vietnam in Sep - Dec, 1972, we had been told many times, "Don't drink the local water," because of the danger of possibly getting dysentery or some other digestive system malady. Two of our Thai maids had been saying for quite some time, "We want to take you to a Thai movie. Pease let us; when may we take you?" Finally, on the afternoon of Dec 28th, when the women learned that the other two members of my Kincheloe crew and I would not be flying that night, they insisted they take us to a movie. We agreed and traveled early that evening via a Thai bus to a large city, Rayong, about 12 miles from base. Before entering the theater, the women stocked up on snacks - candy bars, cokes, peanuts, fried banana chips, etc. - quite a feast, I thought. We thought they were getting all of that stuff for themselves, but evidently, they were trying to make sure we three men were well fed, also. The women passed snacks to us continuously during the entire double feature movie - even shelled peanuts for us. The theater was like any movie theater in Anytown, USA - clean, comfortable, and cool. I don't remember what the movies were about - American, I think, speaking Thai, with English subtitles. After the movie and while walking back to the bus stop, we came upon a "cart café" - the owner transports the entire restaurant - food, stove, ice, water, soft drinks, table, chairs - everything - on a small cart and sets it up on the sidewalk. Surprisingly, the women said they were hungry and asked, "May we get something to eat?" I exclaimed, jokingly, "Gosh! We've been eating steadily for the last two & a half hours, but yes, of course, you may get something to eat, if you want." We all sat down at the small tables on the sidewalk; the café owner placed beautiful glasses of shaved ice and water before each of us and asked what we would like to eat. The women ordered noodles and some other stuff, but the other two men and I ordered nothing. While waiting, I toyed with the cold glass of shaved ice and water in front of me. Ambient temperature was about 85F and had been above 95F during the day; I was very thirsty. I thought about the many SAMs we had dodged during the last few days and somehow thought, foolishly, of course, "If all those SAMs can't get me, surely a glass of ice water is OK." I also had another fleeting thought, and said jokingly, "If it makes me sick, maybe I won't have to go to Hanoi again tomorrow night." I turned the glass up to my lips and drank away. The instant I put the glass down, the café owner re-filled it with shaved ice and water; I quickly downed it again - 'don't know when I've ever had better glasses of water. The other two guys, seeing me be so brave (or foolish), followed suit. None of us ever felt a thing! We went to Hanoi again the following night, anyway. BTW, for those who are wondering - there was nothing else "going on" between us and the women. They knew we'd be leaving soon and simply wanted to show their appreciation for our treating them with great respect and to demonstrate some Thai hospitality. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Short Hiatus
On 30/10/2014 4:35 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA has taken #2 boy and left the state. That was a few months ago. She calls and tells me she has some business deal that requires me to leave home and keep an eye on the kid in AK for the next few weeks. I guess that is one way to keep me from fretting about with the benz cars. I think I will put the SL on the charger for a few hours until it is back at full charge. Toss some Sta-bil in the tank, and dri-z-air for the cabin. When I get back, I need to move a few W140 parts off the shelves. Headlights and tail lights, engine computers, tool kit, a few other bts. Think on this while I am away. clay All I can say, is why couldn't she find some deal in Hawaii instead of Alaska for the winter? RB Alaska pays you to live there. No pay in HI! (unless you are on welfare, then the total benies are over $40k per year.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Short Hiatus
'Hope it goes well. Wilt - Original Message - From: "clay via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: [MBZ] Short Hiatus SWMBA has taken #2 boy and left the state. That was a few months ago. She calls and tells me she has some business deal that requires me to leave home and keep an eye on the kid in AK for the next few weeks. I guess that is one way to keep me from fretting about with the benz cars. I think I will put the SL on the charger for a few hours until it is back at full charge. Toss some Sta-bil in the tank, and dri-z-air for the cabin. When I get back, I need to move a few W140 parts off the shelves. Headlights and tail lights, engine computers, tool kit, a few other bts. Think on this while I am away. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Short Hiatus
On 30/10/2014 4:35 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA has taken #2 boy and left the state. That was a few months ago. She calls and tells me she has some business deal that requires me to leave home and keep an eye on the kid in AK for the next few weeks. I guess that is one way to keep me from fretting about with the benz cars. I think I will put the SL on the charger for a few hours until it is back at full charge. Toss some Sta-bil in the tank, and dri-z-air for the cabin. When I get back, I need to move a few W140 parts off the shelves. Headlights and tail lights, engine computers, tool kit, a few other bts. Think on this while I am away. clay All I can say, is why couldn't she find some deal in Hawaii instead of Alaska for the winter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Short Hiatus
SWMBA has taken #2 boy and left the state. That was a few months ago. She calls and tells me she has some business deal that requires me to leave home and keep an eye on the kid in AK for the next few weeks. I guess that is one way to keep me from fretting about with the benz cars. I think I will put the SL on the charger for a few hours until it is back at full charge. Toss some Sta-bil in the tank, and dri-z-air for the cabin. When I get back, I need to move a few W140 parts off the shelves. Headlights and tail lights, engine computers, tool kit, a few other bts. Think on this while I am away. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] More falling into winter
I thought I had another day to drive my car. The way that our insurance works, we have quarterly payments. One is due tomorrow so that is when we normally convert the car to storage insurance and cancel the normal insurance. My good wife went in and paid the insurance today and they made the change today. So, I cannot drive it tomorrow. End of the line until spring. Darn! RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying
Be careful, I may hafta throw in another B-52 tale. ;<) Wilt - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Craig" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying Sort of like the list today. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying
Sort of like the list today. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1
Ed, I have an ATI 5870 PC card that has been flashed with firmware that will allow it to run on a Mac. ATI was Apple's pick of graphics cards for many years, although the only real difference between an Apple branded one and a "regular" card is the firmware and the ability to display a boot screen, which the PC cards won't do - sort of. If I want a boot screen I just have to plug one of my Cinema Displays into the DisplayPort output on the card and I can see the gray Apple EFI screen and the boot menu. Because of this the Apple branded cards are significantly more expensive, but functionally the same. There's a guy in Illinois who has a business that does nothing but flash ATI cards with the Apple firmware and sells them for significantly less. As for nVidia, many of their regular PC cards will work right out of the box in a MacPro if you're running OS X 10.7.5 or later, however, without special firmware they won't display the boot and EFI screens. nVidia does write Apple drivers for these cards so they will run on a MacPro, and Apple supports some of them as well, so it's an easy way to have a pretty decent high powered graphics card in a piece of legacy equipment. There is a caveat, however The later video cards require more power than the MacPro's power supply can provide, so if you go really high power graphics-wise you'll find people installing secondary power supplies i the second optical drive bay, for example. Not a kludge, but something that will be necessary of you go that route. Well documented and many DIY kits are around for this, too. There is a really good thread on MacRumors covering just this topic, and while it's pretty lengthy, it's got a lot of good information. I have it subscribed as I was going to go this route until I found my ATI card: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1440150 Let me know if you have any other questions. Glad to hear another legacy machine is being brought back to life. Dan > On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Ed Booher wrote: > > I was just researching this yesterday! Have a line on a Pro 1,1 to sit next > to the Pro 5 and wondered about the install. You say your graphics card has > flashed firmware? Is that absolutely necessary? I've seen a set of > "alternate" graphics drivers direct from nVidia that allows quite a few of > apparently their vanilla PC cards to work in a Pro. Do you have any > experience with that at all? > > EdB > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Kim Komando says apple and gateway to the most reliable laptops. Gateway is not reliable as a desktop. I thought Gateway and Compaq were low end products from HP? Mitch. HP bought compaq. the remains of Gateway after "professional management" were bought back by the founder. it is smaller and more manageable now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - New computer, switching keyboards
So I'm going to go 180 on you and a full on different direction. My opinion is to get a mechanical switch keyboard and then get double shot keys. Yes the boards can be a little pricey (mine was $129) but the double shot keys will never fade. As the letters are a physically different layer, not paint, silkscreening or sticker, you'd have to completely wear away the entire key to lose the letter. EdB On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > 'Trying to set up new HP computer. Old HP keyboard has easily readable > letters and symbols on the keys; markings on new keyboard keys are barely > readable - are thin and very faintly/dimly printed. At first, thought I'd > just use old keyboard with the new computer, but now I'm thinking the old > one may not be 100% compatible with the new computer - some special > features, etc. What ya think? > -- "Das beste oder nichts." - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1
I was just researching this yesterday! Have a line on a Pro 1,1 to sit next to the Pro 5 and wondered about the install. You say your graphics card has flashed firmware? Is that absolutely necessary? I've seen a set of "alternate" graphics drivers direct from nVidia that allows quite a few of apparently their vanilla PC cards to work in a Pro. Do you have any experience with that at all? EdB On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > For you Macheads out there, I just installed Yosemite on my MacPro using a > custom bootloader. I’ve used the same means to do so with previous version > of OS X that weren’t supported by Apple for my “antiquated” hardware - a > MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 firmware with 14GB of RAM, four drives (boot > drive is a 128GB SSD), ATI HD 5870 with flashed firmware and dual 23” > Cinema Displays. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Ok, you asked about computers, and most here know I'm a UNIX guy at heart and an Apple guy most of the rest of the time. So yeah, I'm going to say Mac just off the cuff right up front. However, you say that 90% of what you do is eMail. What is the other 10%? Heavy photo and graphics manipulation? Hard core Crysis 3 first person shooter gaming? Or light document editing? Because if most of what you do is eMail then you probably don't even need a computer. An iPad or *nice* Android tablet (not a $99 WalMart special) may be a far better fit for you if all you do is eMail, with some document typing, or internet surfing. Pair it with a Bluetooth keyboard so you can do the heavy typing "off screen" and you are good to go. Being that my entire world is Tech, I work in the field, live and breath it at home, I have a nice Mac desktop, nice Windows desktop (nature of the industry), decent Android phone and an iPad. Most of my eMail and internet surfing has switched from sitting at a desk in front of the computer to sitting on the couch, or in my favorite reading chair, or wherever I want with my iPad. Plus my library is slowly also switching to digital so I can take it all with me. Samsung builds a great line of Android tablets for non-Apple lovers. Google has the Nexus line, and those are vanilla Android, so no goofy UI changes or what have you. Microsoft has the Surface line of tablets, but frankly they are a little expensive in my opinion. They are trying to hard to be a laptop replacement, not just a tablet. Just a thought, EdB. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any > suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell > using WinXP . . . no flames please. > Thanx. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > -- "Das beste oder nichts." - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:29:51 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > I'm thinking bad connection in the ignition system. Somewhere. > That covers a lot of ground, including the ignition switch, fuses, > common ground points. Also a whole lot of the innards of things > like the ignition module, coil, etc. (In April I put in new plugs > and spark wires.) Run a wire from under the hood into the passenger compartment. Connect an LED with ballast resistor to the wire and to a ground (observing proper polarity, but then you know that). First connect the wire under the hood to the DC supply for the ignition module. Drive the car to see if the LED goes out when it's displaying symptoms. If it does go out, the problem is upstream of the DC supply to the ignition module. If it doesn't go out the problem is downstream of the DC supply to the ignition module. Move the wire's connection point as appropriate and if possible toward the problem. > I hate gas cars. Sorry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Misfires, dying
Wiring harness insulation degrading? My '87 wagon suffers greatly from this. I've acquired a used engine wiring harness in decent shape, but unlike my '95 sedan, this wiring harness runs all over under the hood, connecting the EDS computer and other relays to components and connections at both ends of the firewall, in and under the fuse box, and down the inside of both fenders. Installation will be quite daunting. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 30, 2014 9:30 AM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" wrote: > The 560 SEL has been running worse and worse lately. Intermittently. > Feels like a misfire at low RPM's, it's pretty much fine when revved > up. It's back to dying at times when trying to start out. I believe > I smell gas when it's acting up. Frustrating, especially after just > putting a transmission in it. > > Yesterday on the way home from work it completely cut out, at speed, > twice. (That's new.) I was able to pull out of traffic on momentum > and get it started again, then I made it home, with only the usual > amount of pissy behavior, bucking and snorting. > > I'm thinking bad connection in the ignition system. Somewhere. > That covers a lot of ground, including the ignition switch, fuses, > common ground points. Also a whole lot of the innards of things > like the ignition module, coil, etc. (In April I put in new plugs > and spark wires.) > > I hate gas cars. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Misfires, dying
The 560 SEL has been running worse and worse lately. Intermittently. Feels like a misfire at low RPM's, it's pretty much fine when revved up. It's back to dying at times when trying to start out. I believe I smell gas when it's acting up. Frustrating, especially after just putting a transmission in it. Yesterday on the way home from work it completely cut out, at speed, twice. (That's new.) I was able to pull out of traffic on momentum and get it started again, then I made it home, with only the usual amount of pissy behavior, bucking and snorting. I'm thinking bad connection in the ignition system. Somewhere. That covers a lot of ground, including the ignition switch, fuses, common ground points. Also a whole lot of the innards of things like the ignition module, coil, etc. (In April I put in new plugs and spark wires.) I hate gas cars. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
wore the embarrassing suit to the graduation functions and never wore it again. But you left out the most important part: did it fit? Cut and material OK (except for the color)? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
