Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Amen. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam I really don't want to wade into this, but I couldn't disagree with you more, Craig. We are not giving Iraq away to anyone except to the Iraqi citizens. It is their country, not ours. I'm not willing to kill another American teenager just to save face in a war that was not justified in the first place. Kill terrorists? Sure, and I will help load the weapons. I did my two decades in uniform and am now too old to be of much use on the battlefield, unless they want me to hack into some computer network. I will put my patriotism up against anyone else's ... but I also tend to apply logic to situations and don't necessarily jump into lock-step with someone just because he puts a flag pin onto his lapel. Invade Iraq, a place where terrorists were shot on sight by the dictator, in the name of fighting terrorists? Our bad and we are still paying dearly for one man's revenge war. Nothing angers me more than hearing someone claim that we went into Iraq to fight terrorism. Totally false logic -- our invading Iraq to look for terrorists is like invading a Jewish synagogue looking for Muslims. So ... before we decided to take over Iraq, Iraq was not a terrorist threat. Maybe it is now, but (1) that is our own fault and (2) it is not something we can fix by staying there indefinitely. Our continued presence only makes things worse and grow the terrorist's enrollment records. D. We are not going to win Iraq, because every day we are there we do nothing but breed more terrorists who hate us because we are there. On 10/22/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, the "defeat at any price" crowd are trying to give away Iraq just > like they gave away Viet Nam. In spite of the fact that we are starting to > win Iraq. It doesn't do any good to the image of the US around the world > and emboldens the bad guys to raise more ruckus because they know we won't > see things through. Makes the world an even more dangerous place to live > in. > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
The main difference here is that Viet Nam never really mattered. The Middle East does. Scott Ritchey 1982 300SD 250K 1979 300TD 350K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 23:17 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:52:18 -0400 "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't TRY to win it 'til 18 Dec 72, the beginning of Linebacker II. > When I departed Hanoi the last time the night of 29 Dec, though, it had > finally been fought with "no holds barred" and won - the North > Vietnamese were begging to "sign." Everybody quickly signed, we came on > home, and 2 yrs. later, Congress gave it all away, anyway. What a > tragic waste of 58k brave young Americans and hundreds of thousands of > Vietnamese!!! Yes, the "defeat at any price" crowd are trying to give away Iraq just like they gave away Viet Nam. In spite of the fact that we are starting to win Iraq. It doesn't do any good to the image of the US around the world and emboldens the bad guys to raise more ruckus because they know we won't see things through. Makes the world an even more dangerous place to live in. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
I really don't want to wade into this, but I couldn't disagree with you more, Craig. We are not giving Iraq away to anyone except to the Iraqi citizens. It is their country, not ours. I'm not willing to kill another American teenager just to save face in a war that was not justified in the first place. Kill terrorists? Sure, and I will help load the weapons. I did my two decades in uniform and am now too old to be of much use on the battlefield, unless they want me to hack into some computer network. I will put my patriotism up against anyone else's ... but I also tend to apply logic to situations and don't necessarily jump into lock-step with someone just because he puts a flag pin onto his lapel. Invade Iraq, a place where terrorists were shot on sight by the dictator, in the name of fighting terrorists? Our bad and we are still paying dearly for one man's revenge war. Nothing angers me more than hearing someone claim that we went into Iraq to fight terrorism. Totally false logic -- our invading Iraq to look for terrorists is like invading a Jewish synagogue looking for Muslims. So ... before we decided to take over Iraq, Iraq was not a terrorist threat. Maybe it is now, but (1) that is our own fault and (2) it is not something we can fix by staying there indefinitely. Our continued presence only makes things worse and grow the terrorist's enrollment records. D. We are not going to win Iraq, because every day we are there we do nothing but breed more terrorists who hate us because we are there. On 10/22/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, the "defeat at any price" crowd are trying to give away Iraq just > like they gave away Viet Nam. In spite of the fact that we are starting to > win Iraq. It doesn't do any good to the image of the US around the world > and emboldens the bad guys to raise more ruckus because they know we won't > see things through. Makes the world an even more dangerous place to live > in. > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:52:18 -0400 "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't TRY to win it 'til 18 Dec 72, the beginning of Linebacker II. > When I departed Hanoi the last time the night of 29 Dec, though, it had > finally been fought with "no holds barred" and won - the North > Vietnamese were begging to "sign." Everybody quickly signed, we came on > home, and 2 yrs. later, Congress gave it all away, anyway. What a > tragic waste of 58k brave young Americans and hundreds of thousands of > Vietnamese!!! Yes, the "defeat at any price" crowd are trying to give away Iraq just like they gave away Viet Nam. In spite of the fact that we are starting to win Iraq. It doesn't do any good to the image of the US around the world and emboldens the bad guys to raise more ruckus because they know we won't see things through. Makes the world an even more dangerous place to live in. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
slovakia. land of the carpathian mountains and HNL hockey greats. On 10/16/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peraps you meant Slovenia? That is a comparative garden spot. > > On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > i'm thinking slovakia > > > > On 10/15/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > That is where we have had the most out migration to in recent > > > decades. I would think that we are not as welcome as we think we > > > would be. Better to head off to Mexico or Poland > > > > > > clay > > > > > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 11:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > > > > > Wonder if Canada can absorb the sudden influx of immigration from > > > > the US? > > > > > > > > On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> excellent point. young people would be more interested if they > > > >> were being > > > >> conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form > > > >> vietnam -- > > > >> don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > LT Don > > > > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > > > Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. > > > > > > > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Peraps you meant Slovenia? That is a comparative garden spot. On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i'm thinking slovakia > > On 10/15/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That is where we have had the most out migration to in recent > > decades. I would think that we are not as welcome as we think we > > would be. Better to head off to Mexico or Poland > > > > clay > > > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 11:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > > > Wonder if Canada can absorb the sudden influx of immigration from > > > the US? > > > > > > On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> excellent point. young people would be more interested if they > > >> were being > > >> conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form > > >> vietnam -- > > >> don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > LT Don > > > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > > Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. > > > > > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
i'm thinking slovakia On 10/15/07, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is where we have had the most out migration to in recent > decades. I would think that we are not as welcome as we think we > would be. Better to head off to Mexico or Poland > > clay > > On 15 Oct 2007, at 11:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > Wonder if Canada can absorb the sudden influx of immigration from > > the US? > > > > On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> excellent point. young people would be more interested if they > >> were being > >> conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form > >> vietnam -- > >> don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > LT Don > > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > > Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. > > > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
I tuned 18 in December of 1970. Already had one semester of college under my belt (student deferment) and had a high draft number as extra insurance. Ironically, I joined the Coast Guard in July of 1975, shortly after hostilities ended, and stayed for twenty years. On 10/15/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Start up a draft and see what happens! I missed the Vietnam mess by a > matter of months -- Selective Service number of 3. Stopped drafting > three months before I was due to be called up in 1975. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
That is where we have had the most out migration to in recent decades. I would think that we are not as welcome as we think we would be. Better to head off to Mexico or Poland clay On 15 Oct 2007, at 11:17, Wonko the Sane wrote: > Wonder if Canada can absorb the sudden influx of immigration from > the US? > > On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> excellent point. young people would be more interested if they >> were being >> conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form >> vietnam -- >> don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. >> >> > > > -- > LT Don > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ > Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. > > Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Start up a draft and see what happens! I missed the Vietnam mess by a matter of months -- Selective Service number of 3. Stopped drafting three months before I was due to be called up in 1975. Peter On Oct 15, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: > i'm of an age where i'd have been too young to have served in vietnam, > but > am old enough to have seen the effects the war had on our country. > having > even peripherally lived through that, the lesson to avoid future > vietnams is > firmly burned into my psyche. > > you can imagine how shocked and horrified i am to see that our > leaders, who > honestly should know better, have now brought us vietnam part deux. > the > results are similar, with the exception that young people today > neither know > nor care enough to protest. > > On 10/15/07, Wray Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> wilton strickland wrote: >>> Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know >>> well. >>> >>> Wilton >> >> Thanks, Wilton. About 25,000 after our leaders had decided we couldn't >> win that war. >> >> Wray >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Got that right. I care enough that I wrote an actual paper and ink letter to my representatives before the vote was taken to authorize force. I suggested that I didn't think we should use force but that making it look like we would wouldn't be a horrible idea. Fat lotta good it did, my representatives largely talked against the war anyway... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:14:38 -0400 From: Wray Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gary Hurst wrote: > i'm of an age where i'd have been too young to have served in vietnam, but > am old enough to have seen the effects the war had on our country. having > even peripherally lived through that, the lesson to avoid future vietnams is > firmly burned into my psyche. > > you can imagine how shocked and horrified i am to see that our leaders, who > honestly should know better, have now brought us vietnam part deux. the > results are similar, with the exception that young people today neither know > nor care enough to protest. Institute a draft, and that will change over night. Wray - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Wonder if Canada can absorb the sudden influx of immigration from the US? On 10/15/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > excellent point. young people would be more interested if they were being > conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form vietnam -- > don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
excellent point. young people would be more interested if they were being conscripted. maybe that is the lesson our leaders took form vietnam -- don't do it unless you have a volunteer military. On 10/15/07, Wray Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gary Hurst wrote: > > i'm of an age where i'd have been too young to have served in vietnam, > but > > am old enough to have seen the effects the war had on our > country. having > > even peripherally lived through that, the lesson to avoid future > vietnams is > > firmly burned into my psyche. > > > > you can imagine how shocked and horrified i am to see that our leaders, > who > > honestly should know better, have now brought us vietnam part deux. the > > results are similar, with the exception that young people today neither > know > > nor care enough to protest. > > Institute a draft, and that will change over night. > > Wray > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Gary Hurst wrote: > i'm of an age where i'd have been too young to have served in vietnam, but > am old enough to have seen the effects the war had on our country. having > even peripherally lived through that, the lesson to avoid future vietnams is > firmly burned into my psyche. > > you can imagine how shocked and horrified i am to see that our leaders, who > honestly should know better, have now brought us vietnam part deux. the > results are similar, with the exception that young people today neither know > nor care enough to protest. Institute a draft, and that will change over night. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
i'm of an age where i'd have been too young to have served in vietnam, but am old enough to have seen the effects the war had on our country. having even peripherally lived through that, the lesson to avoid future vietnams is firmly burned into my psyche. you can imagine how shocked and horrified i am to see that our leaders, who honestly should know better, have now brought us vietnam part deux. the results are similar, with the exception that young people today neither know nor care enough to protest. On 10/15/07, Wray Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wilton strickland wrote: > > Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well. > > > > Wilton > > Thanks, Wilton. About 25,000 after our leaders had decided we couldn't > win that war. > > Wray > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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>> I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. >> > Congress is afraid of two things; being accused of not supporting the > troops, and of another terrorist attack. Make that three. Not being re-elected is the third. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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wilton strickland wrote: > Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well. > > Wilton Thanks, Wilton. About 25,000 after our leaders had decided we couldn't win that war. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter Frederick wrote: > Hear hear! > > I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. > Congress is afraid of two things; being accused of not supporting the troops, and of another terrorist attack. To be fair they are not exactly playing dead, they haven't so far been able to get a veto proof majority. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sad day when the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter (and others of the same ilk) are considered main stream media. Most of the "normal" media has been neutral to opposed to the Iraq fiasco for some time now, just the right wingers are still in favor, sort of. That does not absolve the main stream media from responsibility for repeating the dis-information and downright distortions perpetrated upon the public by numerous Administration personnel. Prime example: Dan Rather being crucified for reporting on those supposed memos about GWB -- for Christ's sake, I HAVE an IBM Executive typewriter that types proportional type, why in the name of everything good would anyone ever repeat the comments of some teenaged blogger who was a negative twenty or so years old when they were supposedly typed? A simple Google search reveals (Tada!!!) that IBM bought the company that made the proportional type typewriter in 1948, added their new carbon ribbon mechanism (the same one used in their regular A, B, C, and D office machines of the time) and sold the bleeding thing until 1974 or so, by the hundreds of thousands, including to the National Guard and the various branches of the US Military. You could order any custom type bars you wanted, Anyone older than 50 who took a typing class in high school knows this stuff, it's hardly a secret. Did anyone step up and say so? Hardly -- NPR didn't even bother to reply to my e-mail on the subject, they instead quoted a supposed typewriter forensic expert who cannot have actually seen a typewriter, since he blew a bunch of crap about no proportional type, blah blah blah. I was sorely temped to ship him my old Executive, collect. I bought it for $2 at a yard sale -- before the advent of desktop publishing, they were the dream of every newsletter producer since you could full justify type with them on spirit masters or mimeo masters -- anyone remember those? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably because the media ran the Nam war just like they are running the current war and any politician worth re-electing knows that going against mainstream media is political suicide. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam Hear hear! I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Hear hear! I wish someone could explain why Congress plays dead on this issue. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
To some degree, that's what we did in 2006 --- didn't go far enough though. > > The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative branch. > When our Congresscritters passed a resolution in 2002 that basically said > "we abdicate our responsibility and delegate this decision to the president", > the rest of us should have started circulating recall petitions. > > Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
Wonko the Sane wrote: > I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way > should be required (by law) to immediately put any military-eligible family > members into uniform and into the war zone. The power to declare war is strictly in the hands of the legislative branch. When our Congresscritters passed a resolution in 2002 that basically said "we abdicate our responsibility and delegate this decision to the president", the rest of us should have started circulating recall petitions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 52s in Nam
My only comment on the issue will be this, because there are some issues on
which I need to limit my input ('cause I will end up saying too much), and
because this is Mercedes, not Banned.
But ...
I truly believe that any Commander in Chief who sends troops into harm's way
should be required (by law) to immediately put any military-eligible family
members into uniform and into the war zone. ... Could (1) force the
President to rethink what is being done, and (2) would make some
Presidential kids/grandchildren say, "You sure you want to invade?"
*Time via The Huffington Post:*
If the war in Iraq is so noble, why aren't you and your sister serving our
country there?
Jenna Bush: I understand that point, but there are many ways to serve our
country, and I think my skills are better suited for teaching and
representing the U.S. in Latin America through unicef. I respect the men and
women of our country who are over there fighting. It is an unbelievably
selfless thing to do. But if people really thought about it, they would know
it's not even a practical question.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20071011_jenna_bush_dodges_military_service_question/
On 10/14/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Glad you made it home, Wray. Too, too many did not, as you know well.
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> Wilton
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