Re: [newbie] OT Linux has on windows
Neptune wrote: The Neptune wrote: And I have more problems come up with Linux than I ever did have with windows that is why I just got done taking Linux off my HD and putting windows back on. Linux needs alot of work before it can even come close to preforming like windows!! Thank God that Linux performs nothing like windows. reboottypical mindless windows user/reboot So what were these insurmountable "problems" I'm sure we'll find it rather amusing. Where do you want to go today! Windows will get you there almost right out of the box. Were with Linux it May be a long time coming before you get every thing working just the way you like (but this may be more the fault of the applications you use and not linux itself.) Doug Doug ... I can't seem to get my second cpu working in Winblows ... can you give me a hand please. Oh yeah, before you suggest that I break the bank on Win2k, I use a usb mouse sorry. In all honesty, you spend more time installing hardware on a linux machine if you have either crappy winware or obscure hardware. On the hand, I don't spend near the amount of time in Linux with software not mention drivers and rebooting after an install. Hell, it would take me a month and over $1000 to find substitutes for all the great linux software in Mandrake. Not to mention reinstalling my programs and restoring backups. Companys like Mandrake should be working on making drivers for these lower cost products. Why on earth would Mandrake want to support crappy software? So someone can complain about how lousy there computer isin both Win and Linux? We don't need to support the dummy crowd ... they'll buy a new computer long before someone spends the time to write a driver for their winmouse. I would much rather see these talented people doing something useful with their time. An mpg4 player would be nice. :) And the winmodems etc cuts down on parts count and lowers the price of the machine and this make more equipment that can be had by lower income people. Nonsense. Cost really isn't much better. If anything it raised the cost of regular modems as much as it lowered the cost of silly winjunk, and tripled the number of manufacturers with lousy or non-existant tech and driver support. As far as the low income people are concerned they can afford a library, if not a used computer. Not everyone needs a high tech Doom playing machine! And as you can see I'm back on Linux again (but fore how long LOL) I wasted more money getting a Mandrake deluxe CD set. To help with getting more lib's to compile programs I download. Another problems I did not have with Windows! Linux by all accounts is much better at running on lower end hardware you can't even begin to dipute that fact. Also, I don't think you can really use cost as a factor when Linux can be had for free. You had the option of buying or dl'ing and you chose to buy. I've added a couple of programs to Mandrake 7.1 and one of them did require a library. Big deal goto library site, dl, make, install, install program. Glad to see your giving Linux another shot stick with it this time. -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 - 7:40pm up 18 days, 3:48, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -
Re: [newbie] OT Linux has on windows
The problem is the microsoft has forced comanpies to creat hardware that will only work with windows. They have not disclosed all of the API's for windows so that program made by microsoft have more functionalty than ones that are write by other companies. Funny that you mettion that linux can't preform anywhere close to windows. An inderpent company comparied windows and redhat linux in different situations, and they found that redhat is 3-4 times faster than windows. The fact is that the reson that windows can funtion straight out of the box is because all of the hardware companies have made dirvers for windows and not linux in fear that microsoft will chose not to support their hardware. In my first post I was making the comment that something with the microsoft logo on windows 98 does not support and linux does. Linux is an OS for people who want to learn how to use their computers, not to be told how to use their computers. Linux is the embodement of free ideas. no one controls linux as it is everyones. An in my opion dumbing linux shows how much of a pathic person you are, what you have been brain washed by microsoft. You go waste your money. Mark Hillary The Neptune wrote: And I have more problems come up with Linux than I ever did have with windows that is why I just got done taking Linux off my HD and putting windows back on. Linux needs alot of work before it can even come close to preforming like windows!! Where do you want to go today! Windows will get you there almost right out of the box. Were with Linux it May be a long time coming before you get every thing working just the way you like (but this may be more the fault of the applications you use and not linux itself.) Doug - Original Message - From: Ken Wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux has on up on windows On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, you wrote: Now i know that this is not very usall, that is why i am going to tell you all. Right now we all know how windoze has better hardware support than linux, ^^ Nope! We all sure damn don't!! It's prob'ly apparently that way to most 'hands off' users, but actually the reverse... very unfortunately, is the case. Windoze has been the most popular OS for the desktop by far for almost 10 years now. Among the pros and cons of this history, particularly in the last few years, is that hardware has been foisted on the unaware 'computing public' that is 'win' hardware. It's not hard for windoze to 'better' support hardware, when the hardware is designed solely for, or at least slanted towards Windoze, and the manufacturers withhold or provide limited support for any other OS. Most all computer users that vary from this 'win' computer/ hardware situation, eg, Linux users, soon realize not all hardware is created equal. First baptism is they find out their modem is not really a modem, but just a board that has a place to stick a phone line into. _IF_ you use it with windoze. Next most familiar plight is they find out they don't really have a printer, it only works with Windoze. What they prob'ly don't even realize, is that their super duper 900mhz Intel Inside, brand new ready made ... runs like a homebuilt 450, since the cpu/cache/ram/drives are takin on the work load that 'win' hardware shirks and dumps on 'em. The problem goes a lot deeper than this. With the popularity, advent, foisted upon ... however you see it... of the 'onboard', 'builtin' video/sound/modem motherboards (absolute junk IMO), users of OS's other than Micro$h!+, soon find out that the manufacturer's of this cr@p, either only marginally support, provide only binary support (eg, Nvidia), or refuse to support any other OS but ... you guessed it, Winblows. According to the DOJ, this has been going on because of illegal arm twisting by M$. It's real hard (I don't know why they bother) for Linux, BSD, etc., volunteers to try and write drivers for this sub standard 'win' cr@p, when the manufacturers won't/don't cooperate. This is the real injustice M$ has caused. __Not flimsy software... flimsy hardware___ My point: Windoze is responsible for lousy hardware, and lousy hardware support, even by their own products. OS's like Linux and BSD are doin a Herculean job, IMO, to do as well as they do which is often better than Windoze or NT can ...amazing The result is ALL desktop computer users loose and loose big. Marginal, junk hardware is dumped on the computing public. BUT, HEY!, "it works great with Windoze!" See your point. I'll be looking to do some hardware uprgrades in the
Re:[newbie] OT Linux has on windows
And I have more problems come up with Linux than I ever did have with windows that is why I just got done taking Linux off my HD and putting windows back on. Linux needs alot of work before it can even come close to preforming like windows!! Where do you want to go today! Windows will get you there almost right out of the box. Were with Linux it May be a long time coming before you get every thing working just the way you like (but this may be more the fault of the applications you use and not linux itself.) Doug - Original Message - From: Ken Wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux has on up on windows On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, you wrote: Now i know that this is not very usall, that is why i am going to tell you all. Right now we all know how windoze has better hardware support than linux, ^^ Nope! We all sure damn don't!! It's prob'ly apparently that way to most 'hands off' users, but actually the reverse... very unfortunately, is the case. Windoze has been the most popular OS for the desktop by far for almost 10 years now. Among the pros and cons of this history, particularly in the last few years, is that hardware has been foisted on the unaware 'computing public' that is 'win' hardware. It's not hard for windoze to 'better' support hardware, when the hardware is designed solely for, or at least slanted towards Windoze, and the manufacturers withhold or provide limited support for any other OS. Most all computer users that vary from this 'win' computer/ hardware situation, eg, Linux users, soon realize not all hardware is created equal. First baptism is they find out their modem is not really a modem, but just a board that has a place to stick a phone line into. _IF_ you use it with windoze. Next most familiar plight is they find out they don't really have a printer, it only works with Windoze. What they prob'ly don't even realize, is that their super duper 900mhz Intel Inside, brand new ready made ... runs like a homebuilt 450, since the cpu/cache/ram/drives are takin on the work load that 'win' hardware shirks and dumps on 'em. The problem goes a lot deeper than this. With the popularity, advent, foisted upon ... however you see it... of the 'onboard', 'builtin' video/sound/modem motherboards (absolute junk IMO), users of OS's other than Micro$h!+, soon find out that the manufacturer's of this cr@p, either only marginally support, provide only binary support (eg, Nvidia), or refuse to support any other OS but ... you guessed it, Winblows. According to the DOJ, this has been going on because of illegal arm twisting by M$. It's real hard (I don't know why they bother) for Linux, BSD, etc., volunteers to try and write drivers for this sub standard 'win' cr@p, when the manufacturers won't/don't cooperate. This is the real injustice M$ has caused. __Not flimsy software... flimsy hardware___ My point: Windoze is responsible for lousy hardware, and lousy hardware support, even by their own products. OS's like Linux and BSD are doin a Herculean job, IMO, to do as well as they do which is often better than Windoze or NT can ...amazing The result is ALL desktop computer users loose and loose big. Marginal, junk hardware is dumped on the computing public. BUT, HEY!, "it works great with Windoze!" See your point. I'll be looking to do some hardware uprgrades in the future so I would like to ask if anyone knows if there is a list maintained somewhere of linux-friendly (ie.real) hardware manufacturers. Thanks, -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-# | Ken Wahl, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 3CF9AB36 | | PGP Public Key: http://www.ipass.net/~kenwahl/pgpkey.txt | #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Powered by Linux Mandrake --=-=-=-=-=-=- +++ The Neptune---Old CB Handle Eldora,IA USA-Home Of The Bad Boys ;-) Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ MHS Class of 78 Marshalltown High School Marshalltown,IA USA +++
