RE: IBM Servers

[Ryan Finnesey]

I wanted to thank everyone for their comments.  I will start to get some
quotes from IBM.

 

Cheers

Ryan

 

 

From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IBM Servers

 

I was very happy with my pSeries, xSeries, blade center, and HS20/21
blades in my last gig. IBM support was always top notch, and I always
got someone in my region, as far as I can remember. (Atlanta and RTP).

I'm now working exclusively with HP Proliant DL and Bladescould be
worse, but I miss my Itty Bitty Machines.

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Mar 25, 2011 3:00 PM, "Ryan Finnesey"
 wrote:
> Anyone using servers from IBM?, Need to do a new build out for a
BizTalk
> firm and someone recommended we look at IBM. How is there support?
> 
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RE: IIS WMI and PowerShell

[Ken Schaefer]

Are you using IIS6 or 7 or 7.5?

I'm pretty (99.9%) sure that UNCPassword is not stored in clear text - you are 
just able to retrieve it in clear text if you use ADSI or WMI (and have the 
requisite permissions).

Cheers
Ken

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2011 6:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IIS WMI and PowerShell

Thought I would pass this along in the hope that it may save someone some time:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff730973.aspx

So I'm trying to retrieve some settings on virtual directories on an internal 
FTP sever we have. I've been trying to use PowerShell as much as possible 
instead of VBScript, so I fire it up and start working at it. Eventually decide 
on something like this:

get-wmiobject -Class IIsFtpVirtualDirSetting -NameSpace root\MicrosoftIISv2 
-Computer FTPSERVERNAME

And I get "Access Denied", so I try another namespace on the same server:

get-wmiobject -list -NameSpace root\Microsoftnlb -Computer FTPSERVERNAME

Works perfectly. Huh?. try another. All the namespaces enumerate except for 
MicrosoftIISv2. Again, huh? So I finally Google it and and found the link 
above, which explains it in detail. Ugh..

If you are still with me here, and interested, try enumerating the UNCUserName 
and UNCPassWord. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I did that. I know 
it's FTP and across the wire the passwords are sent in clear text, but I had no 
idea they were stored that way as well. Not good.

Thanks for listening.

Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Brian Desmond]

AD doesn't create home folders...

The thing in ADUC is a feature of the MMC tab. Anyone arbitrarily populating 
the homeDirectory attribute in AD isn't going to trigger a magic folder 
creation.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

Let AD do it.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?

We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things we're 
looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD (the 
Profile tab), or through Group Policy?



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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Kurt Buff]

Well, you know, putting a (tm) in most of my messages gets kinda old
after a while...

Heh.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 16:43, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> Thanks for remembering...
>
>
>
>
> ASB (Professional Bio)
> Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> So, building the powershell stuff into a web page, with proper account
>> credentials on the back end, and making it available to HR, is my
>> preference.
>>
>> As someone around here used to say: Automation leads to relaxation.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:49, Michael B. Smith 
>> wrote:
>> > It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT
>> > provide additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Michael B. Smith
>> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >
>> > So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account
>> > creation.
>> >
>> > Will creating the account in powershell do the same?
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith 
>> > wrote:
>> >> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier
>> >> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is 
>> >> concerned).
>> >>
>> >> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home
>> >> directory. Not to assign it. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Michael B. Smith
>> >> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >>
>> >> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a
>> >> PS
>> >> cmdlet to do this:
>> >>
>> >> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network
>> >> -RootPath
>> >> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>> >>
>> >> You think? :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Carl Webster
>> >> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>> >> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>> >>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> >>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >>>
>> >>> I like this KB:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>> >>>
>> >>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>> >>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>> >>>
>> >>> > -Original Message-
>> >>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>> >>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>> >>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>> >>> > them through
>> >>> AD
>> >>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>> >>
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Re: [semi-OT] Last IPv4 address blocks assigned

[Kurt Buff]

LOL!

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RE: [semi-OT] Last IPv4 address blocks assigned

[Michael B. Smith]

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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Andrew S. Baker]

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On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> So, building the powershell stuff into a web page, with proper account
> credentials on the back end, and making it available to HR, is my
> preference.
>
> As someone around here used to say: Automation leads to relaxation.
>
> Heh.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:49, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> > It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT
> provide additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >
> > So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account
> creation.
> >
> > Will creating the account in powershell do the same?
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> >> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier
> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
> >>
> >> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home
> directory. Not to assign it. :-)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Michael B. Smith
> >> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >>
> >> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a
> PS
> >> cmdlet to do this:
> >>
> >> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network
> -RootPath
> >> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
> >>
> >> You think? :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Carl Webster
> >> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> >> http://dabcc.com/Webster
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> >>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >>>
> >>> I like this KB:
> >>>
> >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
> >>>
> >>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
> >>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
> >>>
> >>> > -Original Message-
> >>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> >>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >>> >
> >>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
> >>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
> >>> > them through
> >>> AD
> >>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
> >>
>

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Re: Archives

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Indeed.  Not meant to be anything like a Rickroll.  Its just what I thought
of, thinking of SC "looking"...

--
ME2





On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> I think the message was highly targeted but broadly cast...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:
>
>>  Is that like the new equivalent to getting rickrolled? Otherwise, I may
>> be an old-fuddy-duddy, but I just don’t get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Archives
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4mAeqq9is
>> 
>>
>> --
>> ME2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The link from their page does seem to have disappeared when I looked for
>> it earlier today too:
>>
>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/utilities/login/
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:24 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Archives
>> >
>> > Are we not able to connect to the Lyris server directly anymore?  I
>> can't find a
>> > link for it on Sunbelt's Communities tab.  Would like to search the
>> archives, so
>> > I don't ask repetitive questions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >   ~
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[James Hill]

This is the easiest approach imo.

It's all automated, folder is created, correct permissions are set etc.

-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2011 4:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

Not a direct answer to your question, but this is my favorite KB article of all 
time and it might prove helpful to your migration. Once you decide the method 
of how to assign them this will let the users auto create them on first login.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274443



-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?

We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things we're 
looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD (the 
Profile tab), or through Group Policy?



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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Michael B. Smith]

Ayup.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

So, building the powershell stuff into a web page, with proper account
credentials on the back end, and making it available to HR, is my
preference.

As someone around here used to say: Automation leads to relaxation.

Heh.

Kurt

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:49, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT 
> provide additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account creation.
>
> Will creating the account in powershell do the same?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
>> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
>>
>> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. 
>> Not to assign it. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>
>> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
>> cmdlet to do this:
>>
>> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
>> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>>
>> You think? :)
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>>
>>> I like this KB:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>>>
>>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>>>
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>> >
>>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>>> > them through
>>> AD
>>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>>
>>
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Crawford, Scott]

Love it - Automation leads to relaxation.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

So, building the powershell stuff into a web page, with proper account
credentials on the back end, and making it available to HR, is my
preference.

As someone around here used to say: Automation leads to relaxation.

Heh.

Kurt

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:49, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT 
> provide additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account creation.
>
> Will creating the account in powershell do the same?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
>> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
>>
>> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. 
>> Not to assign it. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>
>> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
>> cmdlet to do this:
>>
>> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
>> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>>
>> You think? :)
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>>
>>> I like this KB:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>>>
>>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>>>
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>> >
>>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>>> > them through
>>> AD
>>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>>
>>
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Kurt Buff]

So, building the powershell stuff into a web page, with proper account
credentials on the back end, and making it available to HR, is my
preference.

As someone around here used to say: Automation leads to relaxation.

Heh.

Kurt

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:49, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT 
> provide additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account creation.
>
> Will creating the account in powershell do the same?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
>> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
>>
>> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. 
>> Not to assign it. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>
>> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
>> cmdlet to do this:
>>
>> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
>> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>>
>> You think? :)
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>>
>>> I like this KB:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>>>
>>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>>>
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>> >
>>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>>> > them through
>>> AD
>>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>>
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Michael B. Smith]

It will work exactly the same, given the sole exception that ADUC/RSAT provide 
additional parameter validation that PowerShell/ADSI do not.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account creation.

Will creating the account in powershell do the same?

Kurt

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
>
> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. 
> Not to assign it. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
> cmdlet to do this:
>
> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>
> You think? :)
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>
>> I like this KB:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>>
>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >
>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>> > them through
>> AD
>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Kurt Buff]

So, ADUC/RSAT will create the directory, if specified, at account creation.

Will creating the account in powershell do the same?

Kurt

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 15:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).
>
> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. 
> Not to assign it. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
> cmdlet to do this:
>
> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
> \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
>
> You think? :)
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://dabcc.com/Webster
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
>> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
>>
>> I like this KB:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
>>
>> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
>> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>> >
>> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
>> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
>> > them through
>> AD
>> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>
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RE: IIS WMI and PowerShell

[Michael B. Smith]

Old news. :)

Seriously (and perhaps shockingly) there are still some few things that are 
easier to do in vbscript.

Try to do this over remote PowerShell for example (instead of targeting a 
remote server from a local instance). Introduce yourself to Kerberos dual-hop 
problems (which you may have previously seen in SharePoint but most 
administrators are lucky enough to have never seen before).

(Sorry, feeling a little cynical tonight.)

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IIS WMI and PowerShell

Thought I would pass this along in the hope that it may save someone some time:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff730973.aspx

So I'm trying to retrieve some settings on virtual directories on an internal 
FTP sever we have. I've been trying to use PowerShell as much as possible 
instead of VBScript, so I fire it up and start working at it. Eventually decide 
on something like this:

get-wmiobject -Class IIsFtpVirtualDirSetting -NameSpace root\MicrosoftIISv2 
-Computer FTPSERVERNAME

And I get "Access Denied", so I try another namespace on the same server:

get-wmiobject -list -NameSpace root\Microsoftnlb -Computer FTPSERVERNAME

Works perfectly. Huh?. try another. All the namespaces enumerate except for 
MicrosoftIISv2. Again, huh? So I finally Google it and and found the link 
above, which explains it in detail. Ugh..

If you are still with me here, and interested, try enumerating the UNCUserName 
and UNCPassWord. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I did that. I know 
it's FTP and across the wire the passwords are sent in clear text, but I had no 
idea they were stored that way as well. Not good.

Thanks for listening.

Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
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Re: Archives

[Jonathan Link]

I think the message was highly targeted but broadly cast...

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  Is that like the new equivalent to getting rickrolled? Otherwise, I may
> be an old-fuddy-duddy, but I just don’t get it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:36 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Archives
>
>
>
> 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4mAeqq9is
> 
>
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
> The link from their page does seem to have disappeared when I looked for
> it earlier today too:
>
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/utilities/login/
>
> -sc
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:24 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Archives
> >
> > Are we not able to connect to the Lyris server directly anymore?  I
> can't find a
> > link for it on Sunbelt's Communities tab.  Would like to search the
> archives, so
> > I don't ask repetitive questions.
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Webster]

Picky, picky.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://dabcc.com/Webster


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> 
> You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier
> versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is
concerned).
> 
> I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home
> directory. Not to assign it. :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> 
> Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
> cmdlet to do this:
> 
> Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -
> RootPath \\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:
> 
> You think? :)


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RE: Archives

[Michael B. Smith]

Is that like the new equivalent to getting rickrolled? Otherwise, I may be an 
old-fuddy-duddy, but I just don't get it.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archives


   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4mAeqq9is


--
ME2




On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
The link from their page does seem to have disappeared when I looked for
it earlier today too:

http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/utilities/login/

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Archives
>
> Are we not able to connect to the Lyris server directly anymore?  I
can't find a
> link for it on Sunbelt's Communities tab.  Would like to search the
archives, so
> I don't ask repetitive questions.
>
>
>
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IIS WMI and PowerShell

[Christopher Bodnar]

Thought I would pass this along in the hope that it may save someone some 
time:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff730973.aspx

So I'm trying to retrieve some settings on virtual directories on an 
internal FTP sever we have. I've been trying to use PowerShell as much as 
possible instead of VBScript, so I fire it up and start working at it. 
Eventually decide on something like this:

get-wmiobject -Class IIsFtpVirtualDirSetting -NameSpace 
root\MicrosoftIISv2 -Computer FTPSERVERNAME

And I get "Access Denied", so I try another namespace on the same server:

get-wmiobject -list -NameSpace root\Microsoftnlb -Computer FTPSERVERNAME

Works perfectly. Huh?. try another. All the namespaces enumerate 
except for MicrosoftIISv2. Again, huh? So I finally Google it and and 
found the link above, which explains it in detail. Ugh..

If you are still with me here, and interested, try enumerating the 
UNCUserName and UNCPassWord. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I 
did that. I know it's FTP and across the wire the passwords are sent in 
clear text, but I had no idea they were stored that way as well. Not good.

Thanks for listening. 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Michael B. Smith]

You can do that with the AD PowerShell module (and with ADSI in earlier 
versions of PS, and with dsmod.exe in cmd.exe as far as that is concerned).

I thought the question was about the best way to CREATE the home directory. Not 
to assign it. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
cmdlet to do this:

Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
\\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:

You think? :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://dabcc.com/Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> 
> I like this KB:
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
> 
> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >
> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
> > them through
> AD
> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?


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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Webster]

Now that I have been bitten by the PowerShell bug, there is probably a PS
cmdlet to do this:

Get-Users -OnlyCitrixUsers  | Set-HomeDirectory -Location Network -RootPath
\\Server\Share -DriveLetter H:

You think? :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://dabcc.com/Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?
> 
> I like this KB:
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313
> 
> In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
> TS/RDS/Citrix users.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> > Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
> >
> > We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the
> > things we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create
> > them through
> AD
> > (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?


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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Webster]

I like this KB:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816313

In my part of the computer world, I let Group Policy do the work for
TS/RDS/Citrix users.

Thanks


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://dabcc.com/Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
> 
> We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things
> we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through
AD
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Jon Harris]

+1 works well.

Jon

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Let AD do it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things
> we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD
> (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

+1

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On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Let AD do it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?
>
> We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things
> we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD
> (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>
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   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4mAeqq9is


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On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> The link from their page does seem to have disappeared when I looked for
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>
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/utilities/login/
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> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:24 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Archives
> >
> > Are we not able to connect to the Lyris server directly anymore?  I
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Sean Martin]

+1

It should be fairly easy to script. Although, I'm starting to prefer
RichCopy over RoboCopy. I haven't had a chance to compare the latest version
of RoboCopy to RichCopy, but the multithreading in RichCopy has proved to be
much faster than previous versions of RoboCopy.

- Sean

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:

>  Have fun with that.  I did that same migration here a year ago or so.  I
> wrote a few scripts to remove the Novell client, iPrint, Zenworks,
> Patchlink, etc, as part of the migration.  I tried the Quest NDS migration
> tools and they were a complete bust.  So many issues that we abandoned the
> tools.  Waste of $$.  We used AD to create the home directories.
>
> The scripts are yours if you want them, send me a message off-line.
>
> By the way robocopy is a great tool for the data copy portion of this sort
> of project.
>
> Tom
>
> >>> Joseph Heaton  4/5/2011 1:57 PM >>>
>
> We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things
> we're looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD
> (the Profile tab), or through Group Policy?
>
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Re: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Tom Miller]

Have fun with that.  I did that same migration here a year ago or so.  I wrote 
a few scripts to remove the Novell client, iPrint, Zenworks, Patchlink, etc, as 
part of the migration.  I tried the Quest NDS migration tools and they were a 
complete bust.  So many issues that we abandoned the tools.  Waste of $$.  We 
used AD to create the home directories.  
 
The scripts are yours if you want them, send me a message off-line.
 
By the way robocopy is a great tool for the data copy portion of this sort of 
project.
 
Tom

>>> Joseph Heaton  4/5/2011 1:57 PM >>>
We're planning out our migration from Novell to AD, and one of the things we're 
looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD (the 
Profile tab), or through Group Policy?



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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Joseph L. Casale]

That's how I do it, I also setup the perms on the top level folder initially so 
created directories have appropriate permissions for each new user...
jlc

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

Let AD do it.

Regards,

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Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?

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looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD (the 
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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Kennedy, Jim]

Not a direct answer to your question, but this is my favorite KB article of all 
time and it might prove helpful to your migration. Once you decide the method 
of how to assign them this will let the users auto create them on first login.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/274443



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Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?

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RE: Creating home directories - Best method?

[Michael B. Smith]

Let AD do it.

Regards,

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Creating home directories - Best method?

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looking at is home directories.  Is it best to create them through AD (the 
Profile tab), or through Group Policy?



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Re: Drobo experiences

[Roger Wright]

We've had success with a couple models from Synology.  Easy AD
integration, decent performance, primarily used for install points and
archived data.


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On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:
> i am looking at some cheap disk archive too...looked at the drobo and the
> dlink but I think am going to get a Buffalo Terra pro...1U, 8TB ...
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Directly supporting Drobo devices is new to me - but in the past two weeks
>> I have come to the conclusion that these things are not worth the support
>> headaches.  Particularly it seems, when dealing with DroboShare attached
>> equipment.  I'm repeatedly seeing delays, timeouts, and outright
>> connectivity drops.
>>
>> Does anyone have any insight into similar issues, or (hopefully) anything
>> to the contrary?  Thanks!
>>
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RE: PCWorld: 'Massive' Epsilon E-Mail Breach Hits Citi, Chase, Many More

[Ziots, Edward]

There is another problem with this, that there is a "blind trust" that
businesses give their partners ( absence of SLA's especially in the
security department) then when the partner gets breached ( remember
again, no security SLA's, no right to audit and verify the partner is
doing the right thing and its verified by a 3rd party), the downstream
liability to the business is where the lack of due diligence on the
business's half, is going to come back and bite them in the arse. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PCWorld: 'Massive' Epsilon E-Mail Breach Hits Citi, Chase,
Many More

 

I don't either.  The size and scope, and the fact that it seems to be
growing illustrates the poor internal control of Epsilon.  We, as
consumers, are once again being shown that our personal information is a
commodity, that while valuable, is generally held insecurely.  And we,
the consumers, have very little power here, even though will bear the
burden collectively.


 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Andrew S. Baker 
wrote:

While I don't necessarily advocate ditching an organization as soon as
they have a security blunder (that we hear about), they do need to be
brought to task, because if nothing is done, then there's little
incentive to do things differently. 

 

Rather than leaving them outright, we need to push for some stringent
measures to be put into place that would benefit us, and cause them
lingering financial pain that they'd be more inclined to address their
security needs going forward.

 

Leaving will only get you so much -- the other clowns have the same bad
practices...


 

 
ASB (Professional Bio  ) 
Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...

 





On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:

Perhaps.  Were I a client of this company, I'd have serious thoughts
about continuing to do business with them.  Sure, maybe this time they
only lost email addresses, which they had to then turn around to their
customers and say, "Hey, sorry, this other company we contract with had
a breach and your email address was downloaded."

 

Phishing works, we know it works.  You, the members of this list and I
might not be inclined to click on something, but the masses are a
different story, even when adequately warned.  Now, the thieves, in this
case, know who is a customer of particular store and can create
carefully constructed emails designed to elicit personal information by
pretending to come from a trustworthy site.  My hunch, someone smart got
the list, and we won't see these emails appear for 6 months to a year.
Pure speculation, I know.



 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:

On 4 Apr 2011 at 15:56, Jonathan Link wrote:

> All your client list are belong to us!
>
> I'm interested in the long term consequences of this story...

Does not appear to be very bad IMHO as only names and emails for the
most part were
disclosed.

 

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RE: Drawing a blank - need help

[Kennedy, Jim]

You manage it in 2008/R2 with the often ignored Share and Storage Management 
MMC. Hit the properties of the share in that MMC and it is under 
Shareing/Advanced.  Although it looks like it is turned on by default in 
R2

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Drawing a blank - need help

Thanks John and Michael.  Hate brain farts they can be s smelly.

>>> "Michael B. Smith"  4/5/2011 8:25 AM >>>
Access based enumeration

Regards,

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Subject: Drawing a blank - need help

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and people access one share, and only see the folders below that they have 
access to?  I'm using Server 2K8 R2, but it was available back in 2k3, I 
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RE: Archives

[Steven M. Caesare]

The link from their page does seem to have disappeared when I looked for
it earlier today too: 

http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/utilities/login/

-sc

> -Original Message-
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> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Archives
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> I don't ask repetitive questions.
> 
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Archives

[Joseph Heaton]

Are we not able to connect to the Lyris server directly anymore?  I can't find 
a link for it on Sunbelt's Communities tab.  Would like to search the archives, 
so I don't ask repetitive questions.



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RE: Drawing a blank - need help

[Joseph Heaton]

Thanks John and Michael.  Hate brain farts they can be s smelly.

>>> "Michael B. Smith"  4/5/2011 8:25 AM >>>
Access based enumeration

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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Drawing a blank - need help

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and people access one share, and only see the folders below that they have 
access to?  I'm using Server 2K8 R2, but it was available back in 2k3, I 
think...



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RE: Drawing a blank - need help

[Ziots, Edward]

Correct, and it works a dream, I highly recommend you utilize it when
migrating your shares to Win2k8 if at all possible. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Drawing a blank - need help

Access based enumeration

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Drawing a blank - need help

What is the Microsoft process where you can enable this on a file
structure, and people access one share, and only see the folders below
that they have access to?  I'm using Server 2K8 R2, but it was available
back in 2k3, I think...



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RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Joseph L. Casale]

I get that, I just don't see where having the OS up but the data gone or the 
stores disappear uncleanly is really any better?
To each his own:)

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

This is a my environment and certain aspects that are less then optimal for an 
ideal configuration vs your environment situation.  It's not that I am wrong, 
it's that our disasters have lead me down a path where the blips were less 
painful if the OS didn't die.  Your experience may have lead you down a 
different path which is all to the good.
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
While you're not wrong, you're not right either:)
So your boot vol is local, and your exchange DB's etc are iSCSI: Your san 
blips, are you any better off? No.

It works, it's just scary for some to wrap their heads around...

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:32 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN connectivity 
issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term performance issue and 
boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly 
if I could I would have our Exchange in direct attached storage but it is not 
up to me, we must spend way more because it says 'SAN'.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible: 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are some 
specific configuration requirements.

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

-sc

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests


Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS software 
initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I understand 
it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well (or 
the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest that is 
hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql data/logs, 
exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks the EQL 
technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions to work.



what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host 
initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the MS 
or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus so far 
from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL



What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided, was to 
test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the disk 
subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude 
Monitoring system's tools.


From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that to 
connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific 
reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS iSCSI 
initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a VMFS 
datastore via iSCSI.

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk 
breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing 
archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to 
create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and SQL.

H


On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>> wrote:
Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others 
have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either choice.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host l

Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven Peck]

This is a my environment and certain aspects that are less then optimal for
an ideal configuration vs your environment situation.  It's not that I am
wrong, it's that our disasters have lead me down a path where the blips were
less painful if the OS didn't die.  Your experience may have lead you down a
different path which is all to the good.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

>  While you’re not wrong, you’re not right eitherJ
>
> So your boot vol is local, and your exchange DB’s etc are iSCSI: Your san
> blips, are you any better off? No.
>
>
>
> It works, it’s just scary for some to wrap their heads around…
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:32 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
> connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
> performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
> cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
> attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
> says 'SAN'.
>
>
>
> Steven Peck
>
> http://www.blkmtn.org
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are
> some specific configuration requirements.
>
>
>
> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>
>
>
> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Harry,
>
> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>
> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
> (or the EQL hit kit).
>
> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
> store.
>
> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
> to work.
>
>
>
> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host
> initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the
> MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus
> so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL
>
>
>
> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
> Monitoring system's tools.
>  --
>
> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that
> to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific
> reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS
> iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a
> VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>
>
>
> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
> SQL.
>
>
>
> H
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others
> have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>
>
>
> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
> ago, below is the recording.
>
>
>
>
> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/r

RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Joseph L. Casale]

While you're not wrong, you're not right either:)
So your boot vol is local, and your exchange DB's etc are iSCSI: Your san 
blips, are you any better off? No.

It works, it's just scary for some to wrap their heads around...

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN connectivity 
issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term performance issue and 
boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly 
if I could I would have our Exchange in direct attached storage but it is not 
up to me, we must spend way more because it says 'SAN'.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible: 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are some 
specific configuration requirements.

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

-sc

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests


Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS software 
initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I understand 
it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well (or 
the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest that is 
hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql data/logs, 
exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks the EQL 
technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions to work.



what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host 
initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the MS 
or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus so far 
from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL



What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided, was to 
test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the disk 
subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude 
Monitoring system's tools.


From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that to 
connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific 
reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS iSCSI 
initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a VMFS 
datastore via iSCSI.

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk 
breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing 
archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to 
create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and SQL.

H


On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>> wrote:
Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others 
have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either choice.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host level 
then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just had a 
good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks ago, 
below is the recording.

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short


From: Damien Solodow 
[mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
To: NT System Adm

Re: eagle cam is back

[Steve Ens]

Ours haven't nested yet...soon I hope.
http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/pefa/p-webcam.html

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:

> We have had peregrines  nesting >10 years now at our main office building
> in San Francisco. They are quite the local celebs.
>
> The Santa Cruz Predatory Bird Research Group (SCPBRG)
> http://www2.ucsc.edu/scpbrg/index.htm  has had a nestcam on the nestbox
> for the last 6 yearrs or so  that gets upward of a million hits a day at
> peak
>
> http://www2.ucsc.edu/scpbrg/nestcamSF.htm
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: eagle cam is back
>
> We have a pAir of peregrine falcons thAt perch up on a hotel downtown here.
> Often there is a webcam too ,I'll see if I can find the details.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2011-04-04, at 8:29 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:
>
> > Cool!  Thanks for sharing...
> >
> >
> > Roger Wright
> > ___
> >
> > "There are plenty of charities for the homeless. Isn't it time
> > somebody helped the homely?" - Dolly Parton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 5:57 PM, C.E. Gene Connor 
> wrote:
> >> http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/04/live-eagle-cam-2011-video_n_
> >> 844582.html
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gene C.
> >>
> >> Misc. B.S.
> >> http://genec-lori.com/
> >>
> >> PackRat GarageSale
> >> http://genec-lori.biz/
> >>
> >> Genes-Computers Inc.
> >> Yulee ,Fl
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Re: APC battery tray

[James Kerr]

I would and have ordered rbc24.
On Apr 5, 2011 11:36 AM, "Roger Wright"  wrote:
> And I can vouch that APC will stand behind the warranty. I had 4 PC's
> replaced by them several years ago after a power issue following a
> hurricane. It was about a 30 minute process to validate the
> connections and infrasturture with them over the phone but they came
> through with a check within a couple weeks.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
> "There are plenty of charities for the homeless. Isn't it time
> somebody helped the homely?" - Dolly Parton
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> There's what "I buy", and what Purchasing ends up getting...  Besides
>> perhaps guaranteed to last a year longer than the competitor's packs, APC
>> also has their liability policy regarding equipment.  That is, if damage
is
>> caused to all your servers because a UPS goes wack-o, APC will take care
of
>> the hardware replacement (too bad the data on those servers is worth many
>> times that of the server itself).  I believe if you use after-market
>> batteries, that policy is voided.
>>
>> APC packs once had a paid mailer for return to the recyclers.  Given the
>> weight of the package, that was worth quite a bit.  (Now we just drive
>> across town to the salvage yard that handles SLA batteries.)  Not _that_
big
>> a deal, but it's annoying.
>> --
>> richard
>>
>> "John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/05/2011
10:02:01
>> AM:
>>
>>> :-) I guess my question would be, do YOU buy name-brand batteries or are
>>> the
>>> aftermarket kits good enough?
>>>
>>> The metal tray in which these batteries reside goes up about 1/2 to 2/3
of
>>> the way on the outside. The batteries do not appear to be swollen, but
>>> they
>>> could be slightly swollen and provide just enough friction. I guess I
>>> really
>>> have nothing to lose if I use a small pry bar. After all I am currently
>>> planning on replacing the whole thing if I can't get the batteries out.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
>>>
>>>
>>> Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply
>>> consider how much fun you've been having with this the past 2 days or
>>> so...
>>> --
>>> richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Aldrich" 
>>> 04/05/2011 09:53 AM
>>> Please respond to
>>> "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>>
>>> To
>>> "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>>  Press this button if the "To" is a fax number. Enter in the fax number
>>> like
>>> 123-456-7890.
>>> cc
>>>
>>> Subject
>>> RE: APC battery tray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all,
>>> like
>>> APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
>>> replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
>>> expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with
>>> the
>>> RBC24 battery pack?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
>>>
>>> Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into
the
>>> tray?
>>>
>>> Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close)
then
>>> you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>>> Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: APC battery tray
>>>
>>> Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
>>> rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the
>>> tray.
>>> The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with
a
>>> screwdriver by prying on them.
>>>
>>> A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
>>> Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something
even
>>> worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what
APC
>>> used to secure the batteries into the tray?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: Strange - Outlook 2010 AutoArchive isn't

[Joe Tinney]

Sean,

What happens if you go to File > Mailbox Cleanup... > Archive and choose to 
archive based on AutoArchive settings?

You should see status updates as Outlook progresses through the folders in 
Outlook's status bar along the bottom. If the folder structure is sufficiently 
small this may complete before it shows anything to notice.

The biggest 'trick' to AutoArchive is that it doesn't care at all when the 
message was sent or received. AutoArchive works strictly off of the last 
Modified date.
Add that column to the folder view and see when these messages were last 
Modified to see if they meet your AutoArchive criteria.

Also, check to see if there are any GPOs configured for Outlook 2010 that may 
be controlling or superseding his AutoArchive settings.

Best of luck,
Joe Tinney

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:14 AM
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Sorry for the cross-post, I wanted the maximum exposure.

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running even though it's set to run every 3 days without notification.  Are 
there events I should look for in the App or System logs on his workstation?  
I'm really at a loss.  This is a laptop that was formatted and re-installed 
just two weeks ago.  Fully up to date on all patches.

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Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Jonathan Link]

Consider when whan of your hosts dies because of hardware failure, and
you're stuck with the VM on the machine's DAS.  Sure, you backup properly
but I never really like to restore from a backup unless I absolutely have
to...

As far as complicating troubleshooting, I just don't see it.  Either the
volume is there or it is not.  If your SAN is flakey, you're going to have
issues across all your storage needs.


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> We use SAN storage, just not for the OS boot partition.  It's really
> expeinsive for that and complicates troubleshooting as well.
>
>  On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>
>>   Well, if you have SAN issues, you will have problems regardless if your
>> boot volumes are iSCSI on your san, or in your VMFS located on your SAN. And
>> additional troubles if your data volumes are on your SAN for that matter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless you are espousing foregoing shared storage for local-attach storage
>> altogether, in which case: 1) you also forego a significant bit of
>> convenience, HA, DR, etc… that a virtualized environment affords, and 2) I
>> disagree.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:32 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>*Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
>> connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
>> performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
>> cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
>> attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
>> says 'SAN'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steven Peck
>>
>> http://www.blkmtn.org
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
>> are some specific configuration requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
>> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
>> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>>
>> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
>> (or the EQL hit kit).
>>
>> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
>> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
>> store.
>>
>> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
>> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
>> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
>> to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
>> host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using
>> the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the
>> consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."
>> LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
>> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
>> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
>> Monitoring system's tools.
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that
>> to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific
>> reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS
>> iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a
>> VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
>> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
>> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
>> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
>> SQL.
>>
>>
>>
>> H
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tha

RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Michael B. Smith]

I've done cabinets full of iSCSI SAN boot for blade servers for n-tier web 
sites. As you scale, it becomes more attractive.

(And, at a certain level of scale, it becomes less attractive again - but there 
aren't many Googles/Facebooks/Hotmails out there.)

SAN doesn't have to be expensive anymore. I guess it depends on how you define 
"SAN".

I define it, on the low-end, as 12-TB of RAID-5 in a Dell R* chassis with an 
iSCSI target. Of course, an EMC SAN is going to cost a lot more than 
that...(and give you lots more features, too).

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Price is not the only consideration.  SAN boot really brings nothing to the 
table except expensive C: Drives.   File stores and all the other management 
tricks on the SAN?  Sure.  SAN boot, not worth the hassle.
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.

If price is the only consideration, then sure.




ASB (Professional Bio)
Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...




On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck 
mailto:sep...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN connectivity 
issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term performance issue and 
boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly 
if I could I would have our Exchange in direct attached storage but it is not 
up to me, we must spend way more because it says 'SAN'.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible: 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are some 
specific configuration requirements.

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

-sc

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests


Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS software 
initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I understand 
it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well (or 
the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest that is 
hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql data/logs, 
exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks the EQL 
technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions to work.



what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host 
initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the MS 
or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus so far 
from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL



What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided, was to 
test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the disk 
subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude 
Monitoring system's tools.


From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that to 
connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific 
reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS iSCSI 
initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a VMFS 
datastore via iSCSI.

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk 
breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing 
archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to 
create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and SQL.

H


On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>> wrote:
Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others 
have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either choice.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com<

Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven Peck]

We use SAN storage, just not for the OS boot partition.  It's really
expeinsive for that and complicates troubleshooting as well.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> Well, if you have SAN issues, you will have problems regardless if your
> boot volumes are iSCSI on your san, or in your VMFS located on your SAN. And
> additional troubles if your data volumes are on your SAN for that matter.
>
>
>
> Unless you are espousing foregoing shared storage for local-attach storage
> altogether, in which case: 1) you also forego a significant bit of
> convenience, HA, DR, etc… that a virtualized environment affords, and 2) I
> disagree.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:32 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
> connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
> performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
> cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
> attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
> says 'SAN'.
>
>
>
> Steven Peck
>
> http://www.blkmtn.org
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are
> some specific configuration requirements.
>
>
>
> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>
>
>
> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Harry,
>
> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>
> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
> (or the EQL hit kit).
>
> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
> store.
>
> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
> to work.
>
>
>
> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host
> initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the
> MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus
> so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL
>
>
>
> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
> Monitoring system's tools.
> --
>
> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that
> to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific
> reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS
> iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a
> VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>
>
>
> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
> SQL.
>
>
>
> H
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others
> have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>
>
>
> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
> ago, below is the recording.
>
>
>
>
> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/e

Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven Peck]

Price is not the only consideration.  SAN boot really brings nothing to the
table except expensive C: Drives.   File stores and all the other management
tricks on the SAN?  Sure.  SAN boot, not worth the hassle.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> *>>Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.*
>
> If price is the only consideration, then sure.
>
>
>
> *ASB *(Professional Bio )
>  *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...
>
>  *
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
>> It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
>> connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
>> performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
>> cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
>> attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
>> says 'SAN'.
>>
>> Steven Peck
>> http://www.blkmtn.org
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>>  Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
>>> are some specific configuration requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
>>> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
>>> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>>>
>>> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite
>>> well (or the EQL hit kit).
>>>
>>> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
>>> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
>>> store.
>>>
>>> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
>>> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
>>> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
>>> to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
>>> host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using
>>> the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the
>>> consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."
>>> LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
>>> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
>>> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
>>> Monitoring system's tools.
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>>
>>> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using
>>> that to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the
>>> specific reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running
>>> the MS iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects
>>> to a VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
>>> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
>>> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
>>> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
>>> SQL.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> H
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh <
>>> k...@colonialsavings.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
>>> others have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
>>> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
>>> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
>>> ago, below is the recording.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec06

RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven M. Caesare]

Well, if you have SAN issues, you will have problems regardless if your
boot volumes are iSCSI on your san, or in your VMFS located on your SAN.
And additional troubles if your data volumes are on your SAN for that
matter.

 

Unless you are espousing foregoing shared storage for local-attach
storage altogether, in which case: 1) you also forego a significant bit
of convenience, HA, DR, etc... that a virtualized environment affords,
and 2) I disagree.

 

-sc

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage
is cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in
direct attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more
because it says 'SAN'.

 

Steven Peck

http://www.blkmtn.org

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
wrote:

Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
are some specific configuration requirements.

 

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well. 

 

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

 

-sc

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because,
as I understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS
boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite
well (or the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a
VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store
breaks the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit
extensions to work.

 

what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator
using the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and
the consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it
depends..."  LOL

 

What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of
the disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the
Longitude Monitoring system's tools.



From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using
that to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the
specific reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support
running the MS iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose
host connects to a VMFS datastore via iSCSI. 

 

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create
disk breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my
existing archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has
always been to create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for
exchange 2010 and SQL.

 

H

 

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh
 wrote:

Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
others have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either
choice.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ
just had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a
couple weeks ago, below is the recording.

 

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAct
ion.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname
=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url01
07l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID
=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl
=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short

 



From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@ha

Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>Local storage is cheap cheap cheap.*

If price is the only consideration, then sure.



*ASB *(Professional Bio )
 *Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...

 *



On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
> connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
> performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
> cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
> attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
> says 'SAN'.
>
> Steven Peck
> http://www.blkmtn.org
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>>  Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
>> are some specific configuration requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sc
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
>> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
>> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>>
>> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
>> (or the EQL hit kit).
>>
>> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
>> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
>> store.
>>
>> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
>> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
>> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
>> to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
>> host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using
>> the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the
>> consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."
>> LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
>> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
>> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
>> Monitoring system's tools.
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that
>> to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific
>> reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS
>> iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a
>> VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
>> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
>> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
>> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
>> SQL.
>>
>>
>>
>> H
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
>> others have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
>> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
>> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
>> ago, below is the recording.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@ha

RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Damien Solodow]

The issue with local storage on VMware is that it makes Vmotion
problematic. J

The general recommendation is to present shared storage to your ESX
hosts (iSCSI, FC, NFS) and create VMFS volumes for your guests. As far
as they know it's local storage then.

 

DAMIEN SOLODOW

Systems Engineer

317.447.6033 (office)

317.217.6851 (fax)

HARRISON COLLEGE

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage
is cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in
direct attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more
because it says 'SAN'.

 

Steven Peck

http://www.blkmtn.org

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer 
wrote:

Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
are some specific configuration requirements.

 

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well. 

 

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

 

-sc

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because,
as I understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS
boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite
well (or the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a
VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store
breaks the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit
extensions to work.

 

what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator
using the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and
the consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it
depends..."  LOL

 

What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of
the disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the
Longitude Monitoring system's tools.



From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using
that to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the
specific reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support
running the MS iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose
host connects to a VMFS datastore via iSCSI. 

 

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create
disk breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my
existing archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has
always been to create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for
exchange 2010 and SQL.

 

H

 

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh
 wrote:

Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
others have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either
choice.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ
just had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a
couple weeks ago, below is the recording.

 

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAct
ion.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname
=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url01
07l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID
=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl
=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short

 



From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiator

Re: APC battery tray

[Roger Wright]

And I can vouch that APC will stand behind the warranty.  I had 4 PC's
replaced by them several years ago after a power issue following a
hurricane.  It was about a 30 minute process to validate the
connections and infrasturture with them over the phone but they came
through with a check within a couple weeks.


Roger Wright
___

"There are plenty of charities for the homeless. Isn't it time
somebody helped the homely?" - Dolly Parton




On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM,   wrote:
>
> There's what "I buy", and what Purchasing ends up getting...  Besides
> perhaps guaranteed to last a year longer than the competitor's packs, APC
> also has their liability policy regarding equipment.  That is, if damage is
> caused to all your servers because a UPS goes wack-o, APC will take care of
> the hardware replacement (too bad the data on those servers is worth many
> times that of the server itself).  I believe if you use after-market
> batteries, that policy is voided.
>
> APC packs once had a paid mailer for return to the recyclers.  Given the
> weight of the package, that was worth quite a bit.  (Now we just drive
> across town to the salvage yard that handles SLA batteries.)  Not _that_ big
> a deal, but it's annoying.
> --
> richard
>
> "John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/05/2011 10:02:01
> AM:
>
>> :-) I guess my question would be, do YOU buy name-brand batteries or are
>> the
>> aftermarket kits good enough?
>>
>> The metal tray in which these batteries reside goes up about 1/2 to 2/3 of
>> the way on the outside. The batteries do not appear to be swollen, but
>> they
>> could be slightly swollen and provide just enough friction. I guess I
>> really
>> have nothing to lose if I use a small pry bar. After all I am currently
>> planning on replacing the whole thing if I can't get the batteries out.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
>>
>>
>> Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply
>> consider how much fun you've been having with this the past 2 days or
>> so...
>> --
>> richard
>>
>>
>> "John Aldrich" 
>> 04/05/2011 09:53 AM
>> Please respond to
>> "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>
>> To
>> "NT System Admin Issues" 
>>  Press this button if the "To" is a fax number. Enter in the fax number
>> like
>> 123-456-7890.
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> RE: APC battery tray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all,
>> like
>> APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
>> replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
>> expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with
>> the
>> RBC24 battery pack?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
>>
>> Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the
>> tray?
>>
>> Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then
>> you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: APC battery tray
>>
>> Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
>> rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the
>> tray.
>> The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
>> screwdriver by prying on them.
>>
>> A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
>> Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
>> worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
>> used to secure the batteries into the tray?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven Peck]

It is posible, but what we've discovered is that if you have a SAN
connectivity issue you've compilicated your life.  We had a long term
performance issue and boot to SAN would be problematic.  Local storage is
cheap cheap cheap.  Frankly if I could I would have our Exchange in direct
attached storage but it is not up to me, we must spend way more because it
says 'SAN'.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are
> some specific configuration requirements.
>
>
>
> There’s a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.
>
>
>
> I’ve seen reports of it working within VMWare.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Harry,
>
> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>
> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
> (or the EQL hit kit).
>
> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
> store.
>
> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
> to work.
>
>
>
> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host
> initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the
> MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus
> so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL
>
>
>
> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
> Monitoring system's tools.
>  --
>
> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
> Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that
> to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific
> reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS
> iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a
> VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>
>
>
> Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
> SQL.
>
>
>
> H
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others
> have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>
>
>
> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>
>
> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
> ago, below is the recording.
>
>
>
>
> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
> File Servers are a bit questionable, but for SQL/Exchange it depends on if
> you want to use the features of the ASMME for it.
>
> If you plan to present any VMFS from the ESX hosts though, definitely
> install the ESX DSM.
>
> If you do VMFS for SQL/Exchange, make sure the virtual SCSI 

RE: APC battery tray

[John Aldrich]

Well, I think I'll end up going back to Batteries Plus. I managed to get
ahold of a long-handled pry bar and break a couple of the batteries loose...
:-) Funny what happens when you use the "right" tool for the job. ;-)
Anyway, I'm going to be getting higher capacity batteries for about half the
cost of a new OEM tray of batteries... since I don't think this unit is
under warranty any more, I don't think it matters which batteries I use.



From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray
Importance: High


There's what "I buy", and what Purchasing ends up getting...  Besides
perhaps guaranteed to last a year longer than the competitor's packs, APC
also has their liability policy regarding equipment.  That is, if damage is
caused to all your servers because a UPS goes wack-o, APC will take care of
the hardware replacement (too bad the data on those servers is worth many
times that of the server itself).  I believe if you use after-market
batteries, that policy is voided. 

APC packs once had a paid mailer for return to the recyclers.  Given the
weight of the package, that was worth quite a bit.  (Now we just drive
across town to the salvage yard that handles SLA batteries.)  Not _that_ big
a deal, but it's annoying. 
-- 
richard 

"John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/05/2011 10:02:01
AM:

> :-) I guess my question would be, do YOU buy name-brand batteries or are
the
> aftermarket kits good enough? 
> 
> The metal tray in which these batteries reside goes up about 1/2 to 2/3 of
> the way on the outside. The batteries do not appear to be swollen, but
they
> could be slightly swollen and provide just enough friction. I guess I
really
> have nothing to lose if I use a small pry bar. After all I am currently
> planning on replacing the whole thing if I can't get the batteries out.
:-)
> 
> 
> 
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
> 
> 
> Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply
> consider how much fun you've been having with this the past 2 days or
so... 
> -- 
> richard 
> 
> 
> "John Aldrich"  
> 04/05/2011 09:53 AM 
> Please respond to
> "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> To
> "NT System Admin Issues"  
>  Press this button if the "To" is a fax number. Enter in the fax number
like
> 123-456-7890. 
> cc
> 
> Subject
> RE: APC battery tray
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all,
like
> APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
> replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
> expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with
the
> RBC24 battery pack?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
> 
> Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the
> tray?
> 
> Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then
> you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: APC battery tray
> 
> Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
> rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the
tray.
> The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
> screwdriver by prying on them.
> 
> A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
> Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
> worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
> used to secure the batteries into the tray?
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RE: Drawing a blank - need help

[Michael B. Smith]

Access based enumeration

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:21 AM
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Subject: Drawing a blank - need help

What is the Microsoft process where you can enable this on a file structure, 
and people access one share, and only see the folders below that they have 
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Re: Drawing a blank - need help

[John Cook]

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[Joseph Heaton]

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RE: Ping Stu: KnowBe4

[Clark, Tommy R]

Looks like loading core.js, main.js, transformer.js, validator.js, and
messages.js from 2ri.static.w2l.gurl.im:8000 is timing out and delaying
the page load.

 

From: bounce-9311516-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-9311516-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of
Sam Cayze
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:00 AM
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Subject: Ping Stu: KnowBe4

 

Stu, a friendly FYI, but your new site is taking forever to load. Even
websiteoptimization.com is reporting a 60 second load time on a T1.

 

I was just about to share your product with our CEO.  I thought some
increased user awareness would be a good measure due to the huge email
breach at Epsilon recently.  

 

Thanks,


Sam

 

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RE: APC battery tray

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There's what "I buy", and what Purchasing ends up getting...  Besides 
perhaps guaranteed to last a year longer than the competitor's packs, APC 
also has their liability policy regarding equipment.  That is, if damage 
is caused to all your servers because a UPS goes wack-o, APC will take 
care of the hardware replacement (too bad the data on those servers is 
worth many times that of the server itself).  I believe if you use 
after-market batteries, that policy is voided.

APC packs once had a paid mailer for return to the recyclers.  Given the 
weight of the package, that was worth quite a bit.  (Now we just drive 
across town to the salvage yard that handles SLA batteries.)  Not _that_ 
big a deal, but it's annoying.
--
richard

"John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/05/2011 10:02:01 
AM:

> :-) I guess my question would be, do YOU buy name-brand batteries or are 
the
> aftermarket kits good enough? 
> 
> The metal tray in which these batteries reside goes up about 1/2 to 2/3 
of
> the way on the outside. The batteries do not appear to be swollen, but 
they
> could be slightly swollen and provide just enough friction. I guess I 
really
> have nothing to lose if I use a small pry bar. After all I am currently
> planning on replacing the whole thing if I can't get the batteries out. 
:-)
> 
> 
> 
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
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> Subject: RE: APC battery tray
> 
> 
> Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply
> consider how much fun you've been having with this the past 2 days or 
so... 
> -- 
> richard 
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> replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
> expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with 
the
> RBC24 battery pack?
> 
> 
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> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
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> 
> Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into 
the
> tray?
> 
> Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) 
then
> you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
> Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: APC battery tray
> 
> Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
> rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the 
tray.
> The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with 
a
> screwdriver by prying on them.
> 
> A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
> Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something 
even
> worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what 
APC
> used to secure the batteries into the tray?
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RE: APC battery tray

[Steven M. Caesare]

We've had the batteries swell on our Compaq UPS's (OEM'ed by APC). Even
with sufficient cooling, they can do it with age, or if you have a long
outage where house HVAC is out, and the batteries are driving close to
max load, that single event can do it.

 

The battery "trays" in ours weren't much more than blister-packaging
type plastic and some tape hold the whole affair together. Piss-poor
design for replacement, if you ask me.

 

-sc

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray

 


Is this "tray" some sort of platform into which batteries are placed,
wired, etc and then slid into the UPS?  How high up on the batteries
does this extend? 

Anyway, yes, many of us have had batteries swell.  Our (4) oldest
RM-3000VA's each have two sets of 4 batteries, and the individual
batteries are "unitized" by double-stick foam.  If just one of those
batteries swells just a wee bit, it's extremely difficult to get them
out of the UPS.  I have had some success with some small pry bars.  One
time, though, I had to shut down the unit, pull it out of the rack, then
undo a whole bunch of little screws to take the top off the UPS. 

The following is far from "best practices", but we really have crappy
air control in our server room (and a couple of us are begging for
funding do deal with this!).  Our racks lack sides, back, and doors.
After the battery swell episode (which required the top being removed to
get to the batteries), we leave a 1 U space above and below each UPS.
Since doing this, we've had no more battery swelling events. 
-- 
richard 




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Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into
the tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close)
then you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the
tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with
a screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something
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RE: APC battery tray

[John Aldrich]

:-) I guess my question would be, do YOU buy name-brand batteries or are the
aftermarket kits good enough? 

The metal tray in which these batteries reside goes up about 1/2 to 2/3 of
the way on the outside. The batteries do not appear to be swollen, but they
could be slightly swollen and provide just enough friction. I guess I really
have nothing to lose if I use a small pry bar. After all I am currently
planning on replacing the whole thing if I can't get the batteries out. :-)



From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray


Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply
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Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all, like
APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with the
RBC24 battery pack?




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From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray

Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the
tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then
you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
used to secure the batteries into the tray?





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RE: APC battery tray

[RichardMcClary]

Whether or not an extra year of warranty is "worth it" or not, simply 
consider how much fun you've been having with this the past 2 days or 
so...
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Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all, 
like
APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with 
the
RBC24 battery pack?




-Original Message-
From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray

Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the
tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then
you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the 
tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
used to secure the batteries into the tray?





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RE: APC battery tray

[RichardMcClary]

Is this "tray" some sort of platform into which batteries are placed, 
wired, etc and then slid into the UPS?  How high up on the batteries does 
this extend?

Anyway, yes, many of us have had batteries swell.  Our (4) oldest 
RM-3000VA's each have two sets of 4 batteries, and the individual 
batteries are "unitized" by double-stick foam.  If just one of those 
batteries swells just a wee bit, it's extremely difficult to get them out 
of the UPS.  I have had some success with some small pry bars.  One time, 
though, I had to shut down the unit, pull it out of the rack, then undo a 
whole bunch of little screws to take the top off the UPS.

The following is far from "best practices", but we really have crappy air 
control in our server room (and a couple of us are begging for funding do 
deal with this!).  Our racks lack sides, back, and doors.  After the 
battery swell episode (which required the top being removed to get to the 
batteries), we leave a 1 U space above and below each UPS.  Since doing 
this, we've had no more battery swelling events.
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Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the 
tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then 
you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our 
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the 
tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a 
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo 
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even 
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC 
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RE: eagle cam is back

[Free, Bob]

We have had peregrines  nesting >10 years now at our main office building in 
San Francisco. They are quite the local celebs.

The Santa Cruz Predatory Bird Research Group (SCPBRG) 
http://www2.ucsc.edu/scpbrg/index.htm  has had a nestcam on the nestbox for the 
last 6 yearrs or so  that gets upward of a million hits a day at peak

http://www2.ucsc.edu/scpbrg/nestcamSF.htm



-Original Message-
From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: eagle cam is back

We have a pAir of peregrine falcons thAt perch up on a hotel downtown here. 
Often there is a webcam too ,I'll see if I can find the details.

Sent from my iPad

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RE: APC battery tray

[John Aldrich]

Yeah. It's looking like I'm going to have to replace it, tray and all, like
APC intended. :-( Would you spend the extra money for the name-brand
replacements (including the extra year of warranty) or go with the less
expensive after-market solution that is supposed to be "compatible" with the
RBC24 battery pack?




-Original Message-
From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: APC battery tray

Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the
tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then
you need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
used to secure the batteries into the tray?





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RE: APC battery tray

[Erik Goldoff]

Guessing the tray has a ridge around the perimeter ?  More than likely, the
batteries have swelled and are now friction tight.


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-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
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RE: APC battery tray

[Matthew B Ames]

Is possible the batters have started to expand and are now jammed into the tray?

Check the voltage across the batteries, if it 0vdc (or pretty close) then you 
need not really worry about them shorting out, imho.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 05 April 2011 15:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: APC battery tray

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our 
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a 
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo Gone, 
but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even worse... Is 
that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC used to secure 
the batteries into the tray?





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Re: APC battery tray

[RichardMcClary]

Not familiar with that one...

Our 2U 3000 VA unit has their batteries locked up in a cage (and the whole 
cage gets replaced).

In the past, APC used large areas of double-stick tape to hold individual 
batteries together into some "battery packs".

I'm rather surprised the screwdriver didn't dislodge a battery.  Then 
again, it's his screwdriver.  He's probably also aware of the bigger 
concern - cracking a battery case open.  (Breaking that tray would 
probably not be a good thing, either.)

I have the feeling GooGone isn't going to work.  If the goo covers the 
entire bottom area of each battery, it will take days (weeks?) before it 
seeps in and loosens the goo.

In the mean time, check CDW, etc for after-market replacements which would 
include a new tray.
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Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the 
tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
used to secure the batteries into the tray?





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RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Ken Schaefer]

Boot from SAN is definitely possible within VMWare

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible: 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There are some 
specific configuration requirements.

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well.

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

-sc

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests


Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS software 
initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I understand 
it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well (or 
the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest that is 
hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql data/logs, 
exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks the EQL 
technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions to work.



what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host 
initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the MS 
or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus so far 
from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL



What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided, was to 
test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the disk 
subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude 
Monitoring system's tools.


From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that to 
connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific 
reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS iSCSI 
initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a VMFS 
datastore via iSCSI.

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk 
breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing 
archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to 
create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and SQL.

H


On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>> wrote:
Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others 
have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either choice.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host level 
then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just had a 
good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks ago, 
below is the recording.

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short


From: Damien Solodow 
[mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
File Servers are a bit questionable, but for SQL/Exchange it depends on if you 
want to use the features of the ASMME for it.
If you plan to present any VMFS from the ESX hosts though, definitely install 
the ESX DSM.
If you do VMFS for SQL/Exchange, make sure the virtual SCSI adaptor is the 
paravirtualized one as it can make a big difference on boxes with heavy IO 
requirements.

DAMIEN SOLODOW
Systems Engineer
317.447.6033 (office)
317.217.6851 (fax)
HARRISON COLLEGE

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

There will be some of each type that you mentioned.  File services, SQL 
2005/2008, Exchange 2010.  I agree that there's some advantages to be gained 
using the EQL HIT kits, both in the guest and the ESX servers.

From: N Parr [mailto:

APC battery tray

[John Aldrich]

Any tips for getting the batteries out of the "tray" in an APC UPS? Our
rackmount APC takes 4 batteries and they appear to be *glued* into the tray.
The guy at Batteries Plus was shocked that he couldn't get 'em out with a
screwdriver by prying on them.

A friend on another list suggested soaking the bottom of the tray in Goo
Gone, but I'm afraid that might short out the batteries or something even
worse... Is that likely to be safe and does anyone have any clue what APC
used to secure the batteries into the tray?





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RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Steven M. Caesare]

Boot from iSCSI SAN is possible:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee619733(WS.10).aspx. There
are some specific configuration requirements.

 

There's a boot version of the initiator for Win2K3 as well. 

 

I've seen reports of it working within VMWare.

 

-sc

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because,
as I understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS
boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite
well (or the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a
VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store
breaks the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit
extensions to work.

 

what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the
host initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator
using the MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and
the consensus so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it
depends..."  LOL

 

What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of
the disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the
Longitude Monitoring system's tools.



From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using
that to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the
specific reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support
running the MS iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose
host connects to a VMFS datastore via iSCSI. 

 

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create
disk breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my
existing archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has
always been to create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for
exchange 2010 and SQL.

 

H

 

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh
 wrote:

Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
others have pointed out, there's definitely pros and cons for either
choice.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ
just had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a
couple weeks ago, below is the recording.

 

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAct
ion.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname
=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url01
07l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID
=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl
=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short

 



From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

File Servers are a bit questionable, but for SQL/Exchange it depends on
if you want to use the features of the ASMME for it. 

If you plan to present any VMFS from the ESX hosts though, definitely
install the ESX DSM.

If you do VMFS for SQL/Exchange, make sure the virtual SCSI adaptor is
the paravirtualized one as it can make a big difference on boxes with
heavy IO requirements. 

 

DAMIEN SOLODOW

Systems Engineer

317.447.6033 (office)

317.217.6851 (fax)

HARRISON COLLEGE

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

There will be some of each type that you mentioned.  File services, SQL
2005/2008, Exchange 2010.  I agree that there's some advantages to be
gained using the EQL HIT kits, both in the guest and the ESX servers.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

 

We use option two here, there are a lot of very good EQ/Dell best
practice white papers dealing with this exact topic.  You didn't say
what's going to be running on your servers.  

Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Harry Singh]

Thanks for the input. I've stayed away from using the MS iSCSI initatiator
for connecting data drives, but it's good to know it actually is supported.

I'm working with Dell in pricing an EQL SAN and have to say I have been
really impressed with the feature-set so far.



On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Kim Longenbaugh wrote:

>  Harry,
>
> It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS
> software initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I
> understand it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.
>
> Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well
> (or the EQL hit kit).
>
> Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest
> that is hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS
> store.
>
> the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql
> data/logs, exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks
> the EQL technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions
> to work.
>
>
>
> what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host
> initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the
> MS or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus
> so far from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL
>
>
>
> What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided,
> was to test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the
> disk subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude
> Monitoring system's tools.
>  --
> *From:* Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>
>  Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using
> that to connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the
> specific reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running
> the MS iSCSI initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects
> to a VMFS datastore via iSCSI.
>
>  Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk
> breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing
> archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to
> create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and
> SQL.
>
>  H
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and
>> others have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host
>> level then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just
>> had a good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks
>> ago, below is the recording.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>> File Servers are a bit questionable, but for SQL/Exchange it depends on if
>> you want to use the features of the ASMME for it.
>>
>> If you plan to present any VMFS from the ESX hosts though, definitely
>> install the ESX DSM.
>>
>> If you do VMFS for SQL/Exchange, make sure the virtual SCSI adaptor is the
>> paravirtualized one as it can make a big difference on boxes with heavy IO
>> requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> DAMIEN SOLODOW
>>
>> Systems Engineer
>>
>> 317.447.6033 (office)
>>
>> 317.217.6851 (fax)
>>
>> HARRISON COLLEGE
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 1:04 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be some of each type that you mentioned.  File services, SQL
>> 2005/2008, Exchange 2010.  I agree that there’s some advantages to be gained
>> using the EQL HIT kits, both in the guest and the ESX servers.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 11:34 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
>>
>>
>>
>> We us

RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Harry,

It would be impossible to use the guest-based initiator like the MS software 
initiator or the EQL Hit kit to connect the OS drive, because, as I understand 
it, the software initiator doesn't load until the OS boots.

Any other drives can be connected via the MS software initiator quite well (or 
the EQL hit kit).

Vmware definitely supports running the msiSCSI initiator inside a guest that is 
hosted in an ESX server connected via the VM initiators to a VMFS store.

the answer to your second question about connecting data drives (sql data/logs, 
exchange stores) via the host initiator from a VMFS store breaks the EQL 
technology because the EQL stuff works on the EQL hit kit extensions to work.



what was the best option between attaching all drives as VMFS from the host 
initiator, or attaching the data drives via guest-based initiator using the MS 
or EQL initiators is the subject of my original post, and the consensus so far 
from all the replies has been a resounding "it depends..."  LOL



What other posters have suggested, and what the guys in my shop decided, was to 
test both ways using a solid tool to measure the performance of the disk 
subsystem, like IOMeter, perfmon, or in my case, some of the Longitude 
Monitoring system's tools.


From: Harry Singh [hbo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Those using the guest iSCSI initatior inside VM guests, are you using that to 
connect all the drives? OS, Data, logs, DBs ? I don't have the specific 
reference, but I always thought VMware didn't off support running the MS iSCSI 
initiator inside a guest windows server VM whose host connects to a VMFS 
datastore via iSCSI.

Those using EQL's -- using VMware's native iSCSI initiator to create disk 
breaks the app-aware snapshot feature? This is interesting since my existing 
archeticture, as a result of a reduced feature-set SAN, has always been to 
create VMFS datastores for new disks. Specifically for exchange 2010 and SQL.

H



On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Kim Longenbaugh 
mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>> wrote:
Thanks, I saw that, and just got the slide deck today.  Like you and others 
have pointed out, there’s definitely pros and cons for either choice.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

Something else you made me remember.  If you plan to do MPIO at the Host level 
then your VMFS disks will be able to take advantage of that.  EQ just had a 
good webex about MPIO at the host level vs. guest level a couple weeks ago, 
below is the recording.

https://dellenterprise.webex.com/ec0605l/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do&apiname=lsr.php&renewticket=0&renewticket=0&actappname=ec0605l&entappname=url0107l&needFilter=false&&isurlact=true&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&rID=42187702&rKey=bed3095e1947d127&recordID=42187702&rnd=1623196772&siteurl=dellenterprise&SP=EC&AT=pb&format=short


From: Damien Solodow 
[mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests
File Servers are a bit questionable, but for SQL/Exchange it depends on if you 
want to use the features of the ASMME for it.
If you plan to present any VMFS from the ESX hosts though, definitely install 
the ESX DSM.
If you do VMFS for SQL/Exchange, make sure the virtual SCSI adaptor is the 
paravirtualized one as it can make a big difference on boxes with heavy IO 
requirements.

DAMIEN SOLODOW
Systems Engineer
317.447.6033 (office)
317.217.6851 (fax)
HARRISON COLLEGE

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

There will be some of each type that you mentioned.  File services, SQL 
2005/2008, Exchange 2010.  I agree that there’s some advantages to be gained 
using the EQL HIT kits, both in the guest and the ESX servers.

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS iSCSI initiators in VM guests

We use option two here, there are a lot of very good EQ/Dell best practice 
white papers dealing with this exact topic.  You didn't say what's going to be 
running on your servers.  File, SQL, Exchange, etc.  But if you don't do iSCSI 
inside the guest you lose all capability to make use of the integrated EQ tools 
for snapping DB's etc.  The folks that say to use VMFS partitions for 
everything are probably using SAN's that don't have the capabilities your EQ's 
do.  We have multiple SQL serv

Re: Drobo experiences

[Richard Stovall]

I have a Drobo Pro FS at $WORK.  I wish I didn't.  Writes to it are
excruciatingly slow.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Matthew B Ames wrote:

>  Plus Buffalo performance used to be pretty rubbish.  Fortunately I was
> saved from the poor performance of the Terastation when it bricked itself
> during an upgrade, I then went down the Infrant ReadyNas route for some
> cheap network storage at home, and have been happy since J
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 04 April 2011 17:57
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Drobo experiences
>
>
>
> +1 on the buffalo comment.
>
>
>
> I have yet to try a QNap, but they do look impressive from a distance.
>
>
>
>
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> *
> * *
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, John Cook  wrote:
>
> QNAP baby, I’ve come to loath the Buffalo products and their apparent
> inability to configure NTFS share permissions.
>
>
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2011 12:55 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Drobo experiences
>
>
>
> i am looking at some cheap disk archive too...looked at the drobo and the
> dlink but I think am going to get a Buffalo Terra pro...1U, 8TB ...
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
> michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Directly supporting Drobo devices is new to me - but in the past two weeks
> I have come to the conclusion that these things are not worth the support
> headaches.  Particularly it seems, when dealing with DroboShare attached
> equipment.  I'm repeatedly seeing delays, timeouts, and outright
> connectivity drops.
>
> Does anyone have any insight into similar issues, or (hopefully) anything
> to the contrary?  Thanks!
>
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Drobo experiences

[Matthew B Ames]

Plus Buffalo performance used to be pretty rubbish.  Fortunately I was saved 
from the poor performance of the Terastation when it bricked itself during an 
upgrade, I then went down the Infrant ReadyNas route for some cheap network 
storage at home, and have been happy since :)

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 April 2011 17:57
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Drobo experiences

+1 on the buffalo comment.

I have yet to try a QNap, but they do look impressive from a distance.




ASB (Professional Bio)
Technology Services that Maximize Business Results...




On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
QNAP baby, I've come to loath the Buffalo products and their apparent inability 
to configure NTFS share permissions.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Drobo experiences

i am looking at some cheap disk archive too...looked at the drobo and the dlink 
but I think am going to get a Buffalo Terra pro...1U, 8TB ...
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr 
mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Directly supporting Drobo devices is new to me - but in the past two weeks I 
have come to the conclusion that these things are not worth the support 
headaches.  Particularly it seems, when dealing with DroboShare attached 
equipment.  I'm repeatedly seeing delays, timeouts, and outright connectivity 
drops.

Does anyone have any insight into similar issues, or (hopefully) anything to 
the contrary?  Thanks!

--
ME2




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