Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Status of SPARC
Martin, Shall i link www.ourdistro.org to this IP? Kind regards, The out-side Op 30 jan. 2013 om 01:07 heeft Paul Gress het volgende geschreven: > On 01/29/13 06:52 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: >> Hello, well, explanation: It is not fake. >> Back in August I had called this SB2000's root pool rpool__oi. >> >> And yes, svr4.opensxce.org is not yet online. >> Locally I simply emulate this via files instead of dns. > > > When i had a website without DNS I simply used the IP address. ex > http://123.456.789.000/ > > It works > > > Paul > > > > > > >> But you can test it in a few hours. >> thanks for your continued patience. >> >> gcc444 is packaged, of course. >> So is the redistributable version of Studio 12.1. >> And the cpp that came with OpenSolaris 134 (redistributed under the >> OpenSolaris Binary license). > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Status of SPARC
On 01/29/13 06:52 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: Hello, well, explanation: It is not fake. Back in August I had called this SB2000's root pool rpool__oi. And yes, svr4.opensxce.org is not yet online. Locally I simply emulate this via files instead of dns. When i had a website without DNS I simply used the IP address. ex http://123.456.789.000/ It works Paul But you can test it in a few hours. thanks for your continued patience. gcc444 is packaged, of course. So is the redistributable version of Studio 12.1. And the cpp that came with OpenSolaris 134 (redistributed under the OpenSolaris Binary license). ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Status of SPARC
Hello, well, explanation: It is not fake. Back in August I had called this SB2000's root pool rpool__oi. And yes, svr4.opensxce.org is not yet online. Locally I simply emulate this via files instead of dns. But you can test it in a few hours. thanks for your continued patience. gcc444 is packaged, of course. So is the redistributable version of Studio 12.1. And the cpp that came with OpenSolaris 134 (redistributed under the OpenSolaris Binary license). %martin p.s. Forget the www.martux.org url, also need to fix the footer ... ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
> I, personally, appreciate their efforts very much. I just think that funding > individual developers is probably the best we can reasonably hope for at this > time. It's not as complete of a solution as paying one or more people to > work on OI full time; but at least it would be a step in that direction. It might be workable though, I guess the question would be what would be the next step in setting this up, and who would we need to talk to? I have to be honest and say I couldn't actually name many Oi devs! James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana-discuss Digest, Vol 30, Issue 61
Even though I'm just a private user of OpenIndiana, I'd be happy to commit a minimum of 50 USD / year for maintaining a reasonable roadmap, IF I KNEW where to send it and how, and felt reasonably certain I knew how it would be used. Paypal, a few bills in an envelope,. just let me know. On 2013-01-29 09:15, openindiana-discuss-requ...@openindiana.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:11:02 +0100 From:v...@bb-c.de (Volker A. Brandt) To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana roadmap Message-ID:<20743.30214.779436.930...@urukhai.bb-c.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Reginald Beardsley writes: > I'd like to suggest funding Martin. He's committed and needs the > money. Even as little as $50US per site would certainly help him a lot. +1 > Is there someone who can get him online to discuss this? That is a problem. Martin, please speak up! Regards -- Volker ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenSXCE.org Status update: Repo-Upload at letter 't'
Thanks man, you rock! Cheers, -- Saso ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
On 01/29/13 06:47 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: --- On Tue, 1/29/13, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: From: Udo Grabowski (IMK) Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:50 AM On 29/01/2013 17:36, Reginald Beardsley wrote: I'd like to suggest as a social convention that the initial "license fee" be 10% of system cost UAHHH ! Then we should have stayed at Oracle.. Really, if you solve a problem for one system, why should someone pay for the other 99 identical systems (think of big clusters) ? Just because he has to money to buy them ? Think of all the EDU/R&D institutions who simply don't have the money for such exorbitant service fees. Remember, OI was started as a community effort, not to make money. If "commercial" support is offered, it's a good thing, but we should not try to mimick the unacceptable behaviour that companies like Oracle show. Have a look at the old service catalog that Sun was offering, that was something really reasonable and affordable, for both sides. It had hardware-only services, cheap per workstation support, bulk service fees, site service fees for an extended period, etc. Also consider per incidence fees, based on real effort needed to solve the problem. Avoid copying business models made for banks and assurance companiesthese are not the clients of OI. -- Where I live we have an 8.25% sales tax. It's also NOT voluntary. I'm spending $800US to build an OI based file server. I certainly don't find contributing $80 for OI development exorbitant. Oracle would want $1000 which is more than the hardware cost and I don't think support for the N40L is even an option. If you're prepared to spend $100k on hardware for an institution and not prepared to spend $10k to support the software, I think you're being unrealistic. You'll spend many times that for in house staff and likely not do a good job of sharing the results w/ the community because of the extra work of distributing it. But if you have a better model for providing financial support for OI, let's hear it. Not arm waving about what's fair, but practical details such as how to raise enough money to employ even one person full time for a year working on OI. Oracle has abandoned the small business and technical workstation markets because they can't make money at it. If OI goes away for lack of support, I'm going to be forced to either FreeBSD or Linux. I happen to like Solaris enough to be willing to pay for it voluntarily. Please remember, Sun went out of business. That's not a compelling argument in your favor for copying their business practices. FWIW I abandoned an open source seismic processing code I'd supported for ~15 years because I couldn't get any support funding. For 10 years it was part of my day job, but completely unpaid for the last 5. Lot's of people use it, but no one wanted to pay anything. Once it sank in I wasn't doing anything w/ it myself, I decided I wasn't working on it anymore unless I needed something for myself. I'd spent hundreds of hours fixing other people's problems w/o even "thank you" in far too many instances. You're getting paid and complaining that 10% is too expensive. Martin isn't getting paid anything except a few small donations and he's making things work. You don't like 10%. Then decide what you do like and send it to Martin. Better yet, get him a job at your institution. Have Fun! To bring you back on your feet: We (a German government research institution connected to a university) with a occasionally (~ every 5 to 8 years) get the opportunity to renew our machine park by exceptional funding through the German state or state institutions. This is usually an exceptional amount (could be a million €) dedicated for HARDWARE ONLY. Since in science, no amount of money can really get what we need to do our work, we usually put that into the fastest stuff affordable at that time, and then keep it running until the next opportunity (or until it breaks). So after that exceptional funding, we are thrown back to our yearly budget, which is less than 10% or even 5% of that amount, for our TOTAL science activities ! So we have to pay personell and services from that, and 10% of system costs/year is simply MONEY WE DO NOT HAVE. That was exactly the reason we had to leave Oracle. And, we are called "the rich" here, most universities have to live from much less money than we have. It's just the broken financial model that causes us these calamities (and no, that cannot be changed, outside our limits). And no, sorry for Martin, we do not need SPARC, it's simply not up to date in performance for our purposes, and that field really should be left to Oracle and the big money, global players. But we would spend a fair amount of money for dedicated services if they are AFFORDABLE for us, like the old Sun services model was (and we had a lot of money in there). And, not t
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Erlang version update to Erlang/OTP R15B03-1???
Would it be too much to ask for someone to update the erlang package to the latest erlang release? I e Erlang/OTP R15B03-1 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
I don't mean to discourage this dialog, but all of this was discussed two or three - maybe four - months ago on the dev mailing list. You might want to go back and look at the archives at the threads about Alasdair's resignation - which basically boiled down to "none of the OI developers want any kind of leader" - and the thread about the Illumos Foundation's offer to set up a fund for OI because someone approached them wanting to make a donation to OI. That was not very pretty, either. I'm not sure what happened about the Illumos Foundation deal, but as a practical matter, the suggestion someone made about putting up a page on the OI site where the OI Developers post what they're working on, and their PayPal or other contact information where people can send donations, is probably the only solution that *might* have a chance of ever happening. A brilliant, though controversial, leader once wrote that democracies will never work because you cannot ever get brilliant leadership from a collection of mediocre minds. Good leadership comes from those rare, brilliant leaders that emerge only every so often. Any consolidated funding solution is going to require some element of structure and leadership, and the OI developers do not seem to be very open to that. That's not a criticism. Just an observation. I, personally, appreciate their efforts very much. I just think that funding individual developers is probably the best we can reasonably hope for at this time. It's not as complete of a solution as paying one or more people to work on OI full time; but at least it would be a step in that direction. I hope this helps. fp ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI 151_a7 install on 4k sector disk
On 01/29/13 06:56, Jim Klimov wrote: On 2013-01-28 19:54, Reginald Beardsley wrote: My understanding is that it is not possible to boot from an EFI labeled disk. Has that changed? In a way it's moot as I just got the UPS tracking info for 3x2 TB disks. But the info might help someone else. The Oracle docs I was pointed to were very specific that you couldn't have a VTOC label larger than 2 TB and couldn't boot from an EFI label. http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-2723/disksconcepts-14/index.html Given the statement that Oracle managed to change something in this regard in recent Solaris, I wonder what it was? Ditch the VTOC-only support in installer/GRUB/rpool import and mount, and allow use of plain GPT partitions? Yes, the boot loader was changed to GRUB2, and support for EFI partitions was added to the boot and installation infrastructure. Dave ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Funding Martin, was Re: OpenIndiana roadmap
On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:08 PM, James Relph wrote: > >> As Martin mentions SCHUFA it seems Martin is already fallen off the >> cliff, so I'd like to encourage anbody who's considering to donate >> something to Martin's efforts to act *now*. >> --f > > I've sent something as well Martin, hope we can get rid of that negative > symbol Chipped in... > > James > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: > From: Udo Grabowski (IMK) > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings > To: "Discussion list for OpenIndiana" > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:50 AM > On 29/01/2013 17:36, Reginald > Beardsley wrote: > > > > I'd like to suggest as a social convention that the > initial "license fee" be 10% of system cost > > UAHHH ! Then we should have stayed at Oracle.. > > Really, if you solve a problem for one system, > why should someone pay for the other 99 identical systems > (think of big clusters) ? Just because he has to money to > buy them ? Think of all the EDU/R&D institutions who > simply > don't have the money for such exorbitant service fees. > > Remember, OI was started as a community effort, not to make > money. If "commercial" support is offered, it's a good > thing, > but we should not try to mimick the unacceptable behaviour > that companies like Oracle show. > > Have a look at the old service catalog that Sun was > offering, > that was something really reasonable and affordable, for > both > sides. It had hardware-only services, cheap per workstation > support, bulk service fees, site service fees for an > extended > period, etc. Also consider per incidence fees, based on > real > effort needed to solve the problem. > > Avoid copying business models made for banks and assurance > companiesthese are not the clients of OI. > -- Where I live we have an 8.25% sales tax. It's also NOT voluntary. I'm spending $800US to build an OI based file server. I certainly don't find contributing $80 for OI development exorbitant. Oracle would want $1000 which is more than the hardware cost and I don't think support for the N40L is even an option. If you're prepared to spend $100k on hardware for an institution and not prepared to spend $10k to support the software, I think you're being unrealistic. You'll spend many times that for in house staff and likely not do a good job of sharing the results w/ the community because of the extra work of distributing it. But if you have a better model for providing financial support for OI, let's hear it. Not arm waving about what's fair, but practical details such as how to raise enough money to employ even one person full time for a year working on OI. Oracle has abandoned the small business and technical workstation markets because they can't make money at it. If OI goes away for lack of support, I'm going to be forced to either FreeBSD or Linux. I happen to like Solaris enough to be willing to pay for it voluntarily. Please remember, Sun went out of business. That's not a compelling argument in your favor for copying their business practices. FWIW I abandoned an open source seismic processing code I'd supported for ~15 years because I couldn't get any support funding. For 10 years it was part of my day job, but completely unpaid for the last 5. Lot's of people use it, but no one wanted to pay anything. Once it sank in I wasn't doing anything w/ it myself, I decided I wasn't working on it anymore unless I needed something for myself. I'd spent hundreds of hours fixing other people's problems w/o even "thank you" in far too many instances. You're getting paid and complaining that 10% is too expensive. Martin isn't getting paid anything except a few small donations and he's making things work. You don't like 10%. Then decide what you do like and send it to Martin. Better yet, get him a job at your institution. Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
> I'd like to suggest as a social convention that the initial "license fee" be > 10% of system cost and "support fee" after the first year at 5%. Purely > voluntary the way tipping service staff in restaurants used to be. No > distinction between used or new equipment. So if you spin up an old SPARC > system using Martin's work you contribute 10% of the purchase price. 2% to > the general support coffers and the rest to your choice of staff (which in > this case should clearly be Martin). I personally wouldn't like the idea of any specific payment levels set, either by convention or otherwise. I just know that from a business perspective we're making money off Oi and could actually afford to provide quite a bit (it makes business sense as well). Others may not be in the same position. > On further reflection I think there should also be a tally of who's > contributed and how much. My assumption is that there are people building > systems for clients. It would provide a means of evaluating how much OI > based work they're doing which would be valuable to potential clients looking > for a system or support. There might be a value in having some sponsor pages for donations past a certain threshold, but announcing actual figures might put some people off. I think we really need to get the devs involved though, to see if they're actually interested in any of this! James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
On 29/01/2013 17:36, Reginald Beardsley wrote: I'd like to suggest as a social convention that the initial "license fee" be 10% of system cost UAHHH ! Then we should have stayed at Oracle.. Really, if you solve a problem for one system, why should someone pay for the other 99 identical systems (think of big clusters) ? Just because he has to money to buy them ? Think of all the EDU/R&D institutions who simply don't have the money for such exorbitant service fees. Remember, OI was started as a community effort, not to make money. If "commercial" support is offered, it's a good thing, but we should not try to mimick the unacceptable behaviour that companies like Oracle show. Have a look at the old service catalog that Sun was offering, that was something really reasonable and affordable, for both sides. It had hardware-only services, cheap per workstation support, bulk service fees, site service fees for an extended period, etc. Also consider per incidence fees, based on real effort needed to solve the problem. Avoid copying business models made for banks and assurance companiesthese are not the clients of OI. -- Dr.Udo GrabowskiInst.f.Meteorology a.Climate Research IMK-ASF-SAT www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php KIT - Karlsruhe Institute of Technologyhttp://www.kit.edu Postfach 3640,76021 Karlsruhe,Germany T:(+49)721 608-26026 F:-926026 ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
--- On Tue, 1/29/13, James Relph wrote: > > That sounds a pretty reasonable approach, although there's 2 > things I'd add: > > - The possibility to > add bounties for requested features. > - As Jonathan mentions > - having a common pot (eg. 20% of donations go to > that). Not just for tickets/marketing etc., but > perhaps there needs to be a mechanism to distribute that > across all developers (I'm thinking of a way to avoid the > situation where, for example, a neat ZFS project gets loads > of funding, but really critical (but maybe more boring) > security projects don't get enough? > I completely agree w/ both. I'd like to suggest as a social convention that the initial "license fee" be 10% of system cost and "support fee" after the first year at 5%. Purely voluntary the way tipping service staff in restaurants used to be. No distinction between used or new equipment. So if you spin up an old SPARC system using Martin's work you contribute 10% of the purchase price. 2% to the general support coffers and the rest to your choice of staff (which in this case should clearly be Martin). On further reflection I think there should also be a tally of who's contributed and how much. My assumption is that there are people building systems for clients. It would provide a means of evaluating how much OI based work they're doing which would be valuable to potential clients looking for a system or support. Could this be setup as a custom Paypal page on the OI website? Does anyone have experience doing things like that? If not, does Illumos have the management infrastructure to take care of this? The idea being to provide complete transparency so that no one can scam the system. If prospective OI users see that there is significant funding of development they're more likely to consider it as an option. I can recall several comments from people of concern that OI would go away. I can easily see a small consultancy client being more comfortable w/ Linux than OI because of the visible funding level for Linux. Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
> How about something along the lines of the following: > > List active developers on the website for OI along w/ what they are working > on. > > If you want to fund that person's work, you sign up to provide a certain > amount which is divided into equal allotments for each month remaining in the > calendar year. Your choice of how much. > > The amounts currently committed for the calendar year per developer are shown > so that people can make intelligent choices of where to commit funds. Beyond > a certain point more money to one developer will not make the work go faster. > It effectively "crowdsources" hiring and pay raises. > > For a sensible person to work full time on OI they need some sense of > stability and predictability. Martin's doing wonderful stuff, but I don't > think he's being sensible. But sometimes being sensible conflicts w/ major > achievement. > > There needs to be a way to keep the transaction costs down. The Paypal skim > gets pretty hefty for a small monthly payment. If Paypal would be willing to > take a single payment and split it into multiple equal payments with only a > single transaction charge it would be pretty easy to set this up. Does > anyone deal w/ Paypal enough to know if they'd do this? > > The idea being to make it possible for an individual to work on OI as they > would a regular contract job. There's staggeringly high unemployment > worldwide and in Europe especially. That ought to get us some good talent at > bargain rates if we can just work out a viable payment model. > > Have Fun! > Reg That sounds a pretty reasonable approach, although there's 2 things I'd add: - The possibility to add bounties for requested features. - As Jonathan mentions - having a common pot (eg. 20% of donations go to that). Not just for tickets/marketing etc., but perhaps there needs to be a mechanism to distribute that across all developers (I'm thinking of a way to avoid the situation where, for example, a neat ZFS project gets loads of funding, but really critical (but maybe more boring) security projects don't get enough? James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
Can I ask that a percentage of the income, given to specific people, goes into a common pot, either to help support Illumos development directly, or to pay for tickets/marketing for conventions or likewise. just my 2c. Jon On 29 January 2013 15:32, Reginald Beardsley wrote: > How about something along the lines of the following: > > List active developers on the website for OI along w/ what they are working > on. > > If you want to fund that person's work, you sign up to provide a certain > amount which is divided into equal allotments for each month remaining in the > calendar year. Your choice of how much. > > The amounts currently committed for the calendar year per developer are shown > so that people can make intelligent choices of where to commit funds. Beyond > a certain point more money to one developer will not make the work go faster. > It effectively "crowdsources" hiring and pay raises. > > For a sensible person to work full time on OI they need some sense of > stability and predictability. Martin's doing wonderful stuff, but I don't > think he's being sensible. But sometimes being sensible conflicts w/ major > achievement. > > There needs to be a way to keep the transaction costs down. The Paypal skim > gets pretty hefty for a small monthly payment. If Paypal would be willing to > take a single payment and split it into multiple equal payments with only a > single transaction charge it would be pretty easy to set this up. Does > anyone deal w/ Paypal enough to know if they'd do this? > > The idea being to make it possible for an individual to work on OI as they > would a regular contract job. There's staggeringly high unemployment > worldwide and in Europe especially. That ought to get us some good talent at > bargain rates if we can just work out a viable payment model. > > Have Fun! > Reg > > ___ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] Developer funding model musings
How about something along the lines of the following: List active developers on the website for OI along w/ what they are working on. If you want to fund that person's work, you sign up to provide a certain amount which is divided into equal allotments for each month remaining in the calendar year. Your choice of how much. The amounts currently committed for the calendar year per developer are shown so that people can make intelligent choices of where to commit funds. Beyond a certain point more money to one developer will not make the work go faster. It effectively "crowdsources" hiring and pay raises. For a sensible person to work full time on OI they need some sense of stability and predictability. Martin's doing wonderful stuff, but I don't think he's being sensible. But sometimes being sensible conflicts w/ major achievement. There needs to be a way to keep the transaction costs down. The Paypal skim gets pretty hefty for a small monthly payment. If Paypal would be willing to take a single payment and split it into multiple equal payments with only a single transaction charge it would be pretty easy to set this up. Does anyone deal w/ Paypal enough to know if they'd do this? The idea being to make it possible for an individual to work on OI as they would a regular contract job. There's staggeringly high unemployment worldwide and in Europe especially. That ought to get us some good talent at bargain rates if we can just work out a viable payment model. Have Fun! Reg ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI 151_a7 install on 4k sector disk
--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Jim Klimov wrote: > In my Wiki post you've read, one of the reasons to do manual > installs > (copy of files from Live media) was explicitly the desire to > co-exist > OI with an older rpool, i.e. to facilitate migration. I have > one such > system where SXCE-117 coexists with OI (and migration is > slowly under > way during rare permitted downtimes), with rpool version > being 15. > > But yes, enhancements in this and some other regards to the > installer > (GUI, text, automated) so that manual tricks are no longer > required, > would be most welcome :) I personally prefer installers that just list things, let you select which ones you want and will then put them in a filesystem which already exists. The 4.1.1 installer did that and it was wonderfully easy to do whatever you wanted. I used to create filesystems w/ the inode count better tuned to actual usage. I gained a lot of usable disk space that way. In the case of /usr I had very few inodes free. Just enough create links and directories if I needed them. I'd greatly prefer to do a manual install from the root shell provided by the text installer. But I'd need some documentation on how things are stored on the CD. In 4.1.1 I figured it out by copying the tape files to disk and looking at them. It's a bit more challenging w/ CD/DVD media. The El Torito docs only take you so far and then the distro takes over and does what it wants. I just sent Martin $50US, so hopefully when he gets done with his current efforts he'll document a more manual installation process. I think he's de facto in charge of the OI distribution. Have Fun! Reg PS My disks are "out for delivery" :-) So if you read this Martin, keep working on what you're doing already. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OI 151_a7 install on 4k sector disk
On 2013-01-28 19:54, Reginald Beardsley wrote: My understanding is that it is not possible to boot from an EFI labeled disk. Has that changed? In a way it's moot as I just got the UPS tracking info for 3x2 TB disks. But the info might help someone else. The Oracle docs I was pointed to were very specific that you couldn't have a VTOC label larger than 2 TB and couldn't boot from an EFI label. http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-2723/disksconcepts-14/index.html Given the statement that Oracle managed to change something in this regard in recent Solaris, I wonder what it was? Ditch the VTOC-only support in installer/GRUB/rpool import and mount, and allow use of plain GPT partitions? The real issue I had w/ the current OI installer is not allowing the use of existing slices. In my Wiki post you've read, one of the reasons to do manual installs (copy of files from Live media) was explicitly the desire to co-exist OI with an older rpool, i.e. to facilitate migration. I have one such system where SXCE-117 coexists with OI (and migration is slowly under way during rare permitted downtimes), with rpool version being 15. But yes, enhancements in this and some other regards to the installer (GUI, text, automated) so that manual tricks are no longer required, would be most welcome :) //Jim ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Funding Martin, was Re: OpenIndiana roadmap
> As Martin mentions SCHUFA it seems Martin is already fallen off the > cliff, so I'd like to encourage anbody who's considering to donate > something to Martin's efforts to act *now*. > --f I've sent something as well Martin, hope we can get rid of that negative symbol James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] OpenIndiana roadmap
> Which is fine to some extent, but what that has led to are a lot of quite > specific solutions for situations not everyone is in (SmartOS is obviously > heavily cloud-oriented) or companies very focussed on selling (not > necessarily cheap) support. I'd quite like to see OpenIndiana thrive as a > community supported general purpose OS based on Illumos. > > James > Just as an addendum, we're happy to pay for support/development (and we're deploying Nexenta somewhere at the moment), but it's not the solution for a lot of our clients (either smaller businesses or large cheap storage for bigger companies) and yet we don't have the staff who can really contribute directly with code, or the connections/capital to find and hire a bunch of developers to create our own distro. James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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> As I understand it the strategy was always to encourage the proliferation of > solution providers and integrators to fulfill this function.These It was > thought would form in the market where a stable release,sufficient > development had taken place to provide significant market penetration and > adoption.If this time has come perhaps it maybe helpful to welcome the > listing of interested parties on the website? Which is fine to some extent, but what that has led to are a lot of quite specific solutions for situations not everyone is in (SmartOS is obviously heavily cloud-oriented) or companies very focussed on selling (not necessarily cheap) support. I'd quite like to see OpenIndiana thrive as a community supported general purpose OS based on Illumos. James ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On 28/01/2013 13:55, Dmitry Kozhinov wrote: How much are you willing to pay for this service? Correct me if I am wrong, but "roadmap" and "paid services" are different things. The fact that OI is an open source and community driven project does not mean a "no roadmap" strategy. - Dmitry. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss As I understand it the strategy was always to encourage the proliferation of solution providers and integrators to fulfill this function.These It was thought would form in the market where a stable release,sufficient development had taken place to provide significant market penetration and adoption.If this time has come perhaps it maybe helpful to welcome the listing of interested parties on the website? Rob Jones -- A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves. Lao Tzu This transmission is intended to be private and confidential.Intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed.It may contain privileged and confidential information.If you are not the intended recipient,you should not copy,distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender at the e-mail address above.Thank you. ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Martin, Is there any way to provide funds other than paypal? I'm in the States, if that makes any difference. Either way, thank you for all your efforts towards SPARC, they are appreciated. Jerry On 01/29/13 01:11 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > Reginald Beardsley writes: >> I'd like to suggest funding Martin. He's committed and needs the >> money. Even as little as $50US per site would certainly help him a lot. > > +1 > >> Is there someone who can get him online to discuss this? > > That is a problem. Martin, please speak up! > > > Regards -- Volker ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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2013/1/29 Dave McGuire : > On 01/28/2013 08:18 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: >> I'd like to suggest funding Martin. He's committed and needs the >> money. Even as little as $50US per site would certainly help him a >> lot. I'd be happy to pay $100US/year to have him work on OI in a >> stable living situation. I suspect he'd be even more productive if >> he wasn't sleeping in his car. Once he's living comfortably, add >> some more people as funds become available. > > Hello folks. (first post here) > > I very much like this idea. I too would provide donations to fund his > continued efforts, and would encourage others to do so as well. As Martin mentions SCHUFA it seems Martin is already fallen off the cliff, so I'd like to encourage anbody who's considering to donate something to Martin's efforts to act *now*. --f ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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Or still one thing that troubles me: Everybody who ever donates to this project goes into a dedicated SPONSORS section. Ken Mays already offered us to help with our wiki and web-page. This means we will have a nice site quite soon :) Based on the other slide-show and web-page that I had prepped in September, although still under the old name. Today only the repo and isos. All that will come - and be maintained by us all, somehow. I don't like governance. But we will find a democratic model with flat hierarchy. So if we succeed, then we will have the first tru really fair functioning democracy on earth (lol). Suggestions, thoughts appreciated. And, status: Yes, the repo is uploaded about 65%. Afterwards the isos ... Well, 2MBit ... %martin ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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On 01/28/2013 08:18 PM, Reginald Beardsley wrote: > I'd like to suggest funding Martin. He's committed and needs the > money. Even as little as $50US per site would certainly help him a > lot. I'd be happy to pay $100US/year to have him work on OI in a > stable living situation. I suspect he'd be even more productive if > he wasn't sleeping in his car. Once he's living comfortably, add > some more people as funds become available. Hello folks. (first post here) I very much like this idea. I too would provide donations to fund his continued efforts, and would encourage others to do so as well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
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)))THANK YOU) Sorry, last msg. for today before the upload completes, must pack boxes w/o accidently touching the half-broken dsl cable. off the screen now ... %martin On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Frank Lahm wrote: > 2013/1/29 Martin Bochnig : >> PayPal-Guthaben: -$378,99 USD > > Took care of $78,99 USD. Hth! > --f -- regards %martin bochnig http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris http://www.facebook.com/pages/MartUX_SPARC-OpenIndiana/357912020962940 https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig http://www.martux.org (new page not yet online, but pretty soon) ___ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
