[ozmidwifery] evil overlords
This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
That makes me laugh Jo, I might get my Star Wars crazed husband to please explain! Apparently theres a pretty appalling midwifery scene in the new movie, not sure if it fits the context Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:08 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
It's not a midwifery scene. The heroine is pregnant. Looks anywhere from just to about 30/40 in the various scenes. Then she's knocked to the ground, unconscious. Taken to a medical centre where they have to save the baby, ( at this stage she's not looing too pregnant.) It appears to be a vaginal birth, even though it's life-threatening. And wonders of all wonders, she is 'delivered' (only way to describe it) of twins!! They look to be about ten pound each, quite mature.. The reference to babies being abandon and raised by animals properly=y refers to Tarzan, and Romulus and Ramus (sic). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords That makes me laugh Jo, I might get my Star Wars crazed husband to please explain! Apparently theres a pretty appalling midwifery scene in the new movie, not sure if it fits the context Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Dean JoSent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
Did any one notice that the Star Wars "Midwife" had scoops for hands??? what was all that about? - Original Message - From: Ken WArd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords It's not a midwifery scene. The heroine is pregnant. Looks anywhere from just to about 30/40 in the various scenes. Then she's knocked to the ground, unconscious. Taken to a medical centre where they have to save the baby, ( at this stage she's not looing too pregnant.) It appears to be a vaginal birth, even though it's life-threatening. And wonders of all wonders, she is 'delivered' (only way to describe it) of twins!! They look to be about ten pound each, quite mature.. The reference to babies being abandon and raised by animals properly=y refers to Tarzan, and Romulus and Ramus (sic). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords That makes me laugh Jo, I might get my Star Wars crazed husband to please explain! Apparently theres a pretty appalling midwifery scene in the new movie, not sure if it fits the context Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Dean JoSent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords This is not meant to be taken seriously just a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
[ozmidwifery] icm program
Just thought i'd let you all know that 2 of the founders of Seattle Midwifery School are presenting at the ICM on Monday 25th July:Suzy Myers as below and Joanne Myers-Cieko as per the conference (I'll send another email). marilyn From Lay to Licensed: A Tale of Two Midwives Practicing in Seattle, Washington and Vancouver, B.C. Suzy Myers, L.M., C.P.M., M.P.H. and Lee Saxell, R.M., M.A. Using our own experiences over the past twenty-five years, this presentation will illustrate the parallel development of direct-entry midwifery in British Columbia, and Washington State, neighboring jurisdictions on either side of the Canadian U.S. border. The authors first met in 1982. Both were practicing home birth midwives and activists in the effort to advance the development of professional midwifery in their respective jurisdictions. At that time Washington State had a licensing law enabling direct-entry midwives legal status and a fledgling midwifery school co-founded by one of the authors. British Columbia had no legal status for midwives, but a dedicated and savvy group of midwives had organized a professional association, the Midwives Association of British Columbia, with a goal to secure legalization. Subsequently, the Washington midwives helped the British Columbia midwives organize a midwifery education program, and the British Columbia midwives helped the Washington midwives launch their professional association. An alliance was forged. Today, B.C. is one of 5 Canadian provinces that have legalized midwifery and integrated registered midwives into the provincial health care system, which includes salary, access to hospital practice, consultation and education programs. Across the border, Washington midwives continue to practice legally, but face many challenges. This paper will contrast our histories, victories, struggles, and realities in todays complex health care environment in North America. Word count: 245 - Original Message - From: Kirsten Lerstrøm To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] MidResearch Hi Denise Quite a lot of research has been done, but it is extremely difficult to deciffer, which is good enough to be referenced - exactly what was the study purpose (corresponding to the conclusion?), treatment of data, analyzing comparable issues etc. Go to the Cochrane Library and check some of the abstracts listed there and also check eventual comments from other sources. One of the most famous and wellknown studies in this matter are Eksmyr's three studies during the 1980's - first one in order to provide documentation on the improvement of outcomes, when organizing all births at a central large unit - he didn't find the documentation, so the sencond study was launched, this time including a larger and transnational field - Sweden and Finland, again it couldn't be proved that a large centralised hospital setting was better than smal cliniques, so a Scandinavian study was launched - same conclusion as before. Unfortunately these studies are not accesible via Cochrane. Eksmyr 1986 Eksmyr R. Two geographically defined populations with different organization of medical care - Cause-specific analysis of early neonatal deaths. Acta Pediatrica Scandinavia 1986;75:10-16. Links Then i 1997 Ole Olsen and MD Jewel did a meta study on home vs hospitals births - http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD000352/frame.html Look at the comments, as most studies compare mortality, which really isn't the most intersting perspective in this matter (very few deaths) but rather a question of interventions and the women's percieved quality of care. On Cochrane today I found this project description to be published next year, unfortunately, but includes contact details if that will be a help: http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD004667/frame.html [Protocol]Midwifery-led versus other models of care delivery for childbearing women MHatem, EDHodnett, DDevane, WDFraser, JSandall, HSoltani Note in the background section of this protocol, the authors state: Available experimental studies suggest some benefit for women intending to give birth within midwifery-led models of care compared with similar risk women who intend giving birth within traditional or other models of care (Hodnett 2003). Lower rates of intrapartum analgesia and augmentation of labour and increased mobility during labour have been reported (Hodnett 2003). In addition, non-experimental evidence suggests rates of spontaneous vaginal deliveries are higher, rates of caesarean section, episiotomy
[ozmidwifery] icm part 2
Ok so this is the abstract for Jo Anne Myers-Cieko's presentation on Monday 25th July. marilyn: This is the story of a midwife whose career began with the unlawful and highly political act of attending home births in when the state did not recognize midwives. And of a mother who had her first baby at home in 1976 with this midwife and her extraordinary colleagues. With a vision for radically transforming maternity care by making midwifery care available to all childbearing women, these two women joined forces with other midwifery activists to establish an independent midwifery school, lobby for new laws, create state and national professional associations, launch midwife-owned birth centers, and organize consumer advocates. Nearly thirty years later, they recall their trials and tribulations, share funny stories and joyful moments and reveal their hopes and fears as they contemplate the future of midwifery and childbirth in America.
Re: [ozmidwifery] MidResearch
On the topic of research, does anyone have any evidence on why we take BP on the right arm antenatally?? And any other guidelines or evidence on 'how' to take the BP??? thanks Katrina -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
Thanks Cas. Great to hear : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far? Holly carole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in europe), anyway, she's fitted in great and is a part of our team. Have fun. Cas -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Midwifery Bulletin June 2005
Thought all would be interested to follow the effective proactive business of the ACMI these days I hope this will inspire the midwives on ozmid who are not members to join ACMI Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: ACMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Midwifery Bulletin June 2005 AUSTRALIAN COLLEGE OF MIDWIVES Midwifery Bulletin 1 June 2005 Only 8 more weeks to go till the International Confederation of Midwives Congress 'Midwifery: Pathways to Healthy Nations' Brisbane, Qld 24-28 July 2005. The Brisbane Congress is shaping up to be in a strong position to meet and exceed expectations for ICM Congresses. The conference program http://www.midwives2005.com/program.shtml has a rich diversity of speakers from a host of countries around the world, as well as a jam packed agenda of social events and entertainment! And this will all take place on the riverside in the beautiful weather of Brisbane in July. Don't miss out on this exciting opportunity to join with thousands of other midwives from around the world in celebrating midwifery, sharing knowledge and experiences, meeting old friends from across the oceans, and making new ones. REGISTER ON-LINE TODAY! To register go to http://www.icm-congress.com www.icm-congress.com College on the front foot defending midwives from AMA attack in Qld Last Friday 27 May 2005, AMAQ President Dr David Malloy issued a press http://www.amaq.com.au/index.php?action=viewview=2913pid=1450 release attacking the care provided by midwives working in the birth centre of the Royal Brisbane Women's hospital. State President Dr Jenny Gamble and her colleagues from the Queensland Branch of the College of Midwives immediately mounted a public campaign to defend the professionalism of the midwives involved and highlight that the AMA's claims were baseless. Along with consumer groups, the College organised a public rally at short notice on Saturday that attracted strong community support, as well as support from the QNU. The College's response to the AMA's attack received good media coverage in the Courier Mail on Saturday http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15434495%255 E1702,00.html and Sunday http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15437523%255E 2765,00.html , as well as on Queensland television news from all stations on Saturday night and local ABC Radio. A number of newspapers in other states and nationally also picked up the story over the weekend. On Monday, the pressure on the AMA to withdraw its remarks continued with a http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15445710%255E31 02,00.html Courier Mail article citing the College's concerns that Dr Malloy may have breached patient confidentiality provisions in publicising the care of an individual woman who gave birth in the birth centre last week. Health Minister Gordon Nuttal also made supportive comments about the care provided by the midwives. That afternoon, the AMA gave a partial apology (to women but not to midwives) for describing the birth centre as 'the killing fields' in another press http://www.amaq.com.au/index.php?action=viewview=2938pid=1450 conference. This episode has highlighted the ongoing problem of lack of respect from some individuals in the medical profession in Queensland for the expertise and professionalism of midwives and for the choices that women make in electing to receive one-to-one midwifery care. Notwithstanding the AMA's back down under pressure, the College is taking its concerns about this incident to senior figures in Queensland Health. The College is continuing to lobby for full implementation of the recommendations http://www.maternityservicesreviewqld.net.au/whatsnew.htm of the review undertaken by Dr Cherrell Hirst on the future of maternity services in Queensland. Council of Safety Quality to fund midwifery project In April 2005, the College developed a proposal for the Australian Council of Safety and Quality in Health Care (ACSQHC) for the development of a national program of Midwifery Practice Review. The ACSQHC was established in 2000 by Australian Health Ministers to lead national efforts to improve the safety and quality of health care provision in Australia (see www.safetyandquality.org http://www.safetyandquality.org/ ) Called 'Enhancing the Safety and Quality of Midwifery Care', the main objective of the College's proposal is to develop a supportive mechanism for interested midwives to participate in a peer review process that encourages reflective practice and continuous improvement. The College is pleased to advise that we recently learned that the Council has approved funding
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
Why it is funny?? Not surethen again I hated Seinfeld but according to most of the world population it was hilariouscouldnt stand one second of it myself, utter crapperhaps that is why this world is so wonderful people having differences of opinion. Not everyone has their funny bone in their armnot everyone has a funny bone. (Boy this list is touchy these days. It seems the more progressive we are in jointly gaining more autonomy and respect for midwives the more divided and antsy people are becoming. I sometimes wonder why I really care and why I dedicate so much of my spare time to a cause that contains such internal hostility. Ah that is right, because I am not a midwife-and have no ambition to be one- and I have no professional bias, but I have been a birthing woman who has suffered at the hands of our current system) Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords I dont get why you think this is funny. Unless you didnt mean laugh as in funny? Andrea Quanchi On 01/06/2005, at 4:37 PM, Dean Jo wrote: This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
Oh yeah.did you miss the very first line in my email? The one that says dont take this seriously. Did anyone hear the one about the koala that fell out of the tree? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords I dont get why you think this is funny. Unless you didnt mean laugh as in funny? Andrea Quanchi On 01/06/2005, at 4:37 PM, Dean Jo wrote: This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
I have been watching this theme with concern. As a late entry midwife after the birth of 4 children on 2 continents and a homebirth midwife of 22 yrs, I have been through nearly all of the phases on the journey to.I have noticed that in our initial passionate motivation, we are VERY touchy. About EVERYTHING. We want so much for things to be good for birthing women. We want to protect them, to rescue them in as many ways as possible. Sadly, we are up against so many obstacles that we get frustrated and like all minority groups, we turn that frustration inwards on our fellow travelers and colleagues. It is also typical of the dynamics of women, as we too are an oppressed group. So, let us try and recognize what we are doing , expand our consciousness further and not be so sensitive about the little things that divide us. Notice the good things. And yes,oOur sense of humour is very diverse. I agree that Seinfield isnt funny. Cheers, Mary M From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 7:25 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords Why it is funny?? Not surethen again I hated Seinfeld but according to most of the world population it was hilariouscouldnt stand one second of it myself, utter crapperhaps that is why this world is so wonderful people having differences of opinion. Not everyone has their funny bone in their armnot everyone has a funny bone. (Boy this list is touchy these days. It seems the more progressive we are in jointly gaining more autonomy and respect for midwives the more divided and antsy people are becoming. I sometimes wonder why I really care and why I dedicate so much of my spare time to a cause that contains such internal hostility. Ah that is right, because I am not a midwife-and have no ambition to be one- and I have no professional bias, but I have been a birthing woman who has suffered at the hands of our current system) Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords I dont get why you think this is funny. Unless you didnt mean laugh as in funny? Andrea Quanchi On 01/06/2005, at 4:37 PM, Dean Jo wrote: This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the realm. All babies will be delivered at state-approved hospitals. Orphans will be placed in foster-homes, not abandoned in the woods to be raised by creatures of the wild. I am not sure what movies they would be referring to with this but as anyone could contribute to the list I wondered if there was a doctor out there who fancies himself as an evil overlord? Perhaps there is a few?? It just made me laugh Cheers jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 5/31/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords
I was going to change the email subject header but it seems to have manifested into a more relevant title anyway! The reason I posted the original email was to make light of the thing that, if we are not careful, WILL sink us. If we cant laugh in adversary then how are we ever going to get anywhere. As I said, not everyone finds the same thing funny, but there is no need to highlight it. I would have dedicated more of my time lobbying against any American comedy wasting space on our television!! In recent times there has been conversations (many of which I have been apart of unfortunately) that have resulted in the entirely wrong ideas being focused on. Recently I had a chance to get many signatures for the midwifery indemnity insurance petition but there were many who would not sign it because the word Practioner was included. Seriously, the people reading the petition probably didnt even know what a darn midwife was let alone the issues of whether or not they call themselves Practioner or not. The point was to support the need for indemnity insurance to be available to midwives. I implore for those who dont like what they read to just delete it, ignore it or perhaps send a note to the person who wrote it if you have actual reasons for objecting to the post. The power that the medical fraternity has is unity in the general belief that birth is dangerous and women should be saved from it. The reality is that members of the medical fraternity would firmly believe that cs is the only way, but others would feel that birthing in hospital under supervision is acceptablebut do we hear them arguing in a public forum about it? NO. Nit picking and too much focus on detail can destroy the entire thing. I am going to drop this now thank goodness says everyone).but please everyone, lets try this unity thing for a change huh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:35 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords I have been watching this theme with concern. As a late entry midwife after the birth of 4 children on 2 continents and a homebirth midwife of 22 yrs, I have been through nearly all of the phases on the journey to.I have noticed that in our initial passionate motivation, we are VERY touchy. About EVERYTHING. We want so much for things to be good for birthing women. We want to protect them, to rescue them in as many ways as possible. Sadly, we are up against so many obstacles that we get frustrated and like all minority groups, we turn that frustration inwards on our fellow travelers and colleagues. It is also typical of the dynamics of women, as we too are an oppressed group. So, let us try and recognize what we are doing , expand our consciousness further and not be so sensitive about the little things that divide us. Notice the good things. And yes,oOur sense of humour is very diverse. I agree that Seinfield isnt funny. Cheers, Mary M From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jo Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 7:25 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords Why it is funny?? Not surethen again I hated Seinfeld but according to most of the world population it was hilariouscouldnt stand one second of it myself, utter crapperhaps that is why this world is so wonderful people having differences of opinion. Not everyone has their funny bone in their armnot everyone has a funny bone. (Boy this list is touchy these days. It seems the more progressive we are in jointly gaining more autonomy and respect for midwives the more divided and antsy people are becoming. I sometimes wonder why I really care and why I dedicate so much of my spare time to a cause that contains such internal hostility. Ah that is right, because I am not a midwife-and have no ambition to be one- and I have no professional bias, but I have been a birthing woman who has suffered at the hands of our current system) Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Quanchi Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] evil overlords I dont get why you think this is funny. Unless you didnt mean laugh as in funny? Andrea Quanchi On 01/06/2005, at 4:37 PM, Dean Jo wrote: This is not meant to be taken seriouslyjust a laugh- My hubby just sent me a site that lists the 100 things I would do if I was ever an evil overlord (dont ask were having marital troubles as it is with star wars being released!) The basis is to list the 100 things you would or would not do based on all the typical things evil overlords have done (and thus failed) in the past. Things like getting all of the evil overlords soldiers to be able to shoot straight etc. One person has listed: All midwives will be banned from the
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins
Thanks for your reply Lieve. What state are you in? I'm certainly not keen to let them induce if I get to 38 weeks. They say there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta, and that there's evidence or studies to show significant increase in worse outcomes after 38 weeks or something like that, but I don't know yet what studies/evidence they're relying on re this. I will be asking for details as soon as they let me see someone. I see with the second one you described there was 1/2 hour between babies for monochorionic diamniotic twins. I'm not convinced about the 10 minute thing either, and they'll have to give me details of what evidence they're relying on if they want me to consider this seriously as well. I'm starting to think I should place the onus more on them to prove to me why I should adhere to their recommendations rather than the other way around. If they can let me see the info myself I can consider it, but I don't think I should just take their word for it. I met another pregnant mum yesterday, same type of twins as me and in a public hospital in Melbourne too. She's having the same issues as me. She doesn't want an epidural and has been told she has to have one. She waits up to 2 hours for a rushed 10 minute appointment with an Ob, then doesn't get to ask any questions. We'll be staying in touch; she's due a few weeks before me. Yvette (pg with monochorionic diamniotic twins due 5th Sept). Hello Yvette, I just want to tell you my excperience. I accompagned two twin births this year in the hospital. We have there very good supporting obs, that are very confident with breech and twin births. Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins
They say there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta, Hello Midwives out there Is the above true?? Is it specific to twins? I thought an ultrasound could certainly show the condition of the placenta JC -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins/placenta
And, can the condition of twins placenta/s be expected to deteriorate earlier than a singleton's?? Jayne - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins They say there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta, Hello Midwives out there Is the above true?? Is it specific to twins? I thought an ultrasound could certainly show the condition of the placenta JC -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
Yes we have a New Zealand DEM working both in the Birth Centre and the hospital at Mackay (Qld). Have also heard there is a DEM in a Level 3 position in Townsville. Cheers, Michelle[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Cas. Great to hear : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far?Holly carole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in europe), anyway, she's fitted in great and is a part of our team. Have fun. Cas -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yaho! o.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins
Hello Yvette, I live in Belgium, Europe. The best way to interprete the condition of your placenta are the signs your twins and your body will give you. Feel for changes in the movements. When the baby's feel like in a playgarden there is nothing wrong with your placenta. When the baby's become quiet then you have to be alert. It is a myth that baby's stop moving so much at the end of the pregnancy. So feel what they tell you and feel also your body for signs of fear of tension. Also your body will tell you if something is going wrong. When the placenta's condition is not so well, your bloodpression will rise and your will have swollen feet and hands. Also other signs of unwellness are important. But even then you have to consider the risks of inducion against waiting and respect the signs by giving your body the rest and relaxation it needs. Organise already the last weeks help in your housekeeping and make your life as pleasant as you can. Read those books you ever wanted to read, go for small walks and enjoy your life. I will not answer mails now till Tuesday. I am leaving for Finland in an hour. Greetings Lieve -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Lindsay Yvette Verzonden: donderdag 2 juni 2005 2:55 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins Thanks for your reply Lieve. What state are you in? I'm certainly not keen to let them induce if I get to 38 weeks. They say there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta, and that there's evidence or studies to show significant increase in worse outcomes after 38 weeks or something like that, but I don't know yet what studies/evidence they're relying on re this. I will be asking for details as soon as they let me see someone. I see with the second one you described there was 1/2 hour between babies for monochorionic diamniotic twins. I'm not convinced about the 10 minute thing either, and they'll have to give me details of what evidence they're relying on if they want me to consider this seriously as well. I'm starting to think I should place the onus more on them to prove to me why I should adhere to their recommendations rather than the other way around. If they can let me see the info myself I can consider it, but I don't think I should just take their word for it. I met another pregnant mum yesterday, same type of twins as me and in a public hospital in Melbourne too. She's having the same issues as me. She doesn't want an epidural and has been told she has to have one. She waits up to 2 hours for a rushed 10 minute appointment with an Ob, then doesn't get to ask any questions. We'll be staying in touch; she's due a few weeks before me. Yvette (pg with monochorionic diamniotic twins due 5th Sept). Hello Yvette, I just want to tell you my excperience. I accompagned two twin births this year in the hospital. We have there very good supporting obs, that are very confident with breech and twin births. Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 31/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 31/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins
There is a study currently being done to assess induction/caesarean section at 38 weeks for twins. Apparently there is suggestions of deterioration in outcomes after that. Having said that I had twins at 40 weeks (by induction in the end) and they were 30 minutes apart with no apparent problems. Lindsay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lieve Huybrechts Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 2:19 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins Hello Yvette, I live in Belgium, Europe. The best way to interprete the condition of your placenta are the signs your twins and your body will give you. Feel for changes in the movements. When the baby's feel like in a playgarden there is nothing wrong with your placenta. When the baby's become quiet then you have to be alert. It is a myth that baby's stop moving so much at the end of the pregnancy. So feel what they tell you and feel also your body for signs of fear of tension. Also your body will tell you if something is going wrong. When the placenta's condition is not so well, your bloodpression will rise and your will have swollen feet and hands. Also other signs of unwellness are important. But even then you have to consider the risks of inducion against waiting and respect the signs by giving your body the rest and relaxation it needs. Organise already the last weeks help in your housekeeping and make your life as pleasant as you can. Read those books you ever wanted to read, go for small walks and enjoy your life. I will not answer mails now till Tuesday. I am leaving for Finland in an hour. Greetings Lieve -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Lindsay Yvette Verzonden: donderdag 2 juni 2005 2:55 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE Twins Thanks for your reply Lieve. What state are you in? I'm certainly not keen to let them induce if I get to 38 weeks. They say there is no way of telling the condition of the placenta, and that there's evidence or studies to show significant increase in worse outcomes after 38 weeks or something like that, but I don't know yet what studies/evidence they're relying on re this. I will be asking for details as soon as they let me see someone. I see with the second one you described there was 1/2 hour between babies for monochorionic diamniotic twins. I'm not convinced about the 10 minute thing either, and they'll have to give me details of what evidence they're relying on if they want me to consider this seriously as well. I'm starting to think I should place the onus more on them to prove to me why I should adhere to their recommendations rather than the other way around. If they can let me see the info myself I can consider it, but I don't think I should just take their word for it. I met another pregnant mum yesterday, same type of twins as me and in a public hospital in Melbourne too. She's having the same issues as me. She doesn't want an epidural and has been told she has to have one. She waits up to 2 hours for a rushed 10 minute appointment with an Ob, then doesn't get to ask any questions. We'll be staying in touch; she's due a few weeks before me. Yvette (pg with monochorionic diamniotic twins due 5th Sept). Hello Yvette, I just want to tell you my excperience. I accompagned two twin births this year in the hospital. We have there very good supporting obs, that are very confident with breech and twin births. Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 31/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.3 - Release Date: 31/05/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 1/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 1/06/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
