Re[2]: Current thinking on Medium Format scanners?

2002-06-28 Thread Bruce Dayton

Bob,

Even lower is Sam's Club - $349


Bruce



Thursday, June 27, 2002, 11:15:47 PM, you wrote:

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BR For US buyers, low cost source
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BR 373.98

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Re: Current thinking on Medium Format scanners?

2002-06-28 Thread Bob Rapp

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  Is there a consensus on the Epson 2450? 
 
For US buyers, low cost source
http://www.provantage.com

373.98

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RE: SMCT 35mm f2 and the yellow curse

2002-06-28 Thread HUDERER Bernd

Brendan MacRae wrote:

 On shooting my first roll of color print film (800 max, 
 indoors but with a 
 preponderance of sunlight) and I don't notice any color shift 
 at all. It 
 looks like I lucked out and can use this lens for color after 
 all.

When you shoot only print film, I suppose you will not see even a stronger
yellow discoloration of the lenses.
As the printer at your lab will correct this automatically, the final prints
will show no yellow color engraving.
But you should not use this lens for slide film. Maybe only for sunsets ;-)
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43/1.9 vs M50/1.4, 77/1.8 vs A70-210/4, B+W vs HOYA CIR-PL results

2002-06-28 Thread Alan Chan

Just got my 1st roll of Provia 100F back and excited to see my test results. 
Every shot was taken with the Z-1p mounted on an ARCA B1 ballhead/Gitzo 1349 
tripod and focused very carefully (between 1-2 metres). Aperture was set on 
the lens. Inspection was done through Schneider 4X MC  Cabin PL-8M 8X 
loupes. Comparsion shots were taken without moving the camera, but switched 
the lens or filter only. And for the filter test shots, the set focus 
(almost infinite) was not disturbed at all when changing filters (aperture 
f8). Here is my observation.

FA100/2.8 Macro: Very very nice bokeh and pretty sharp even at wide open.

FA43/1.9 vs M50/1.4: M50/1.4 produced nicer bokeh at f2 and f2.8, but still 
produce very very subtle bright-ring bokeh (almost non-exist, almost). FA43 
had clearly more noticable bright-ring bokeh, and the difference is very 
obvious even under a 4X loupe. At f2, sharpness is pretty close. At f2.8, 
FA43 is sharper.

FA77/1.8 vs SMC-A70-210/4: The zoom had the worst bright-ring bokeh here. 
FA77 had much nicer bokeh, and shaper too at f4 (zoom set to 70mm), but 
still produced subtle bright-ring bokeh (worse than the M50/1.4).

B+W vs HOYA CIR-PL (regular): There is no difference in colour and 
sharpness, absolutely none under the 8X loupe. And the shot without filter 
is not any sharper either.

regards,
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Re: Manfrotto 055Cl vs Pro

2002-06-28 Thread Alan Chan

I may have an opportunity to buy a new (I guess) Manfrotto 055 Cl tripod 
and
a heavy duty ballhead No 168. All this for $75 ($50 - tripod, $25 - head).
My question is this - is the price right (I guess it is), and (more
important) how often do you use the center column of the 055 Pro in
horizontal position (I think it's the only difference between the 055 Cl 
and
Pro).

I don't know about the new Heavy Duty ballhead, but the old design sucks. I 
suggest you double checked before you buy one. Don't be fooled by its size.

regards,
Alan Chan


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vermeers camera ( was first-ever Photo in the world)

2002-06-28 Thread john vanderaalst

Bob Walken wrote:
In some ways photography has been around since at least the Middle
Ages. There's a fascinating book by Philip Steadman called Vermeer's
Camera in which the author argues that Vermeer used a camera obscura
to paint his most famous works. He makes a very good case. 


Yes, maybe or probably, Vermeer did.
Absolutly sure is that his collegue, a painter called Johan Fabritius,
living like Vermeer in Delft, used such a camera.
There's a painting left in which he has painted the new church in Delft
with a kind of fish-eye wideangle lens. The picture can be seen at
http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/f/fabritiu/view_del.html

The exact spot in Delft, the church, the houses, all still exist, and
it  has been one of my plans for a long time to try and make a similar
real photograph, apporaching the original as much as possible (maybe
with a Pentax and a fish-eye, maybe with a Horizont panoramic camera -
just have to see what matches best.

Fabritius became only 32, was killed in the big gunpowder explosion in
Delft. Probably not many paintings were made by him, or at least did
survive.

Regards,

John
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Re: vermeers camera ( was first-ever Photo in the world)

2002-06-28 Thread Bob Walkden

Hi,

Philip Steadman speculates in the book about a possible connection
between Fabritius and Vermeer. Vermeer owned some of Fabritius's
paintings, as well as work by van Hoogstraten, another painter who
was at the very least familiar with the camera obscura. Apparently in
Delft Vermeer was described as a phoenix that rose from the flames
of the explosion that killed Fabritius.

I hope you take your photo of the view of Delft and post it to the
list - I for one would be fascinated to see it.

---

 Bob  

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Friday, June 28, 2002, 7:56:00 AM, you wrote:

 Bob Walken wrote:
 In some ways photography has been around since at least the Middle
 Ages. There's a fascinating book by Philip Steadman called Vermeer's
 Camera in which the author argues that Vermeer used a camera obscura
 to paint his most famous works. He makes a very good case. 


 Yes, maybe or probably, Vermeer did.
 Absolutly sure is that his collegue, a painter called Johan Fabritius,
 living like Vermeer in Delft, used such a camera.
 There's a painting left in which he has painted the new church in Delft
 with a kind of fish-eye wideangle lens. The picture can be seen at
 http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/f/fabritiu/view_del.html

 The exact spot in Delft, the church, the houses, all still exist, and
 it  has been one of my plans for a long time to try and make a similar
 real photograph, apporaching the original as much as possible (maybe
 with a Pentax and a fish-eye, maybe with a Horizont panoramic camera -
 just have to see what matches best.

 Fabritius became only 32, was killed in the big gunpowder explosion in
 Delft. Probably not many paintings were made by him, or at least did
 survive.

 Regards,

 John
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RE: SMCT 35mm f2 and the yellow curse

2002-06-28 Thread David A. Mann

HUDERER Bernd wrote:

 But you should not use this lens for slide film. Maybe only for sunsets ;-)

You could use it to make the mid-day sun look like the golden 
hour...

Cheers,


- Dave

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Rodenstock 6x loupe

2002-06-28 Thread David A. Mann

Hi all,

 I'm getting enabled again.  Since I bought my Rodenstock 3x full-
frame loupe for 6x6 at Photographica, the shop I normally go to now 
has them in stock.

Thats no big deal, but they obtained a couple of other loupes at the 
same time.  They now have a very nice-looking Rodenstock aspheric 6x 
loupe, full-frame for 35mm slides.  I haven't tried one out yet but 
it looks big enough that it might have a decent amount of eye relief.

BH have them; I'm not going to paste their stupidly long URL.  Their 
catalog number is ROL6XB, price US$186.95.  They seem to have them in 
several ugly colours but its the black one I'd be getting.

Have any of you guys used one of these?  Impressions?

Cheers,


- Dave

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Spotmatic F meter conversion.

2002-06-28 Thread smcforme

Hello,

Has anyone had the their SP F's meter replaced with the K1000 meter conversion? I'm 
curious if the metering remains average or is it also converted to center weighted as 
in the K1000? 

Now for the stretch. If a K1000 meter will go onto a Spotmatic, and a K1000 is 
mechanically near identical to a KX Then could a KX silicone meter be stuffed into 
a SP F? Hmm.
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Little LX [Leica] friday fs: 6/28/02

2002-06-28 Thread Paul Jones

I found this on the LUG as friday is for sale day. A tiney little LX :)

The is just an segment extracted from the whole add.

 Sharan, Pentax LX SLR, nice! $395
 Sharan Tripod for any Sharan/Minox classic camera  Rich/
 www.photovillage.com
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Re: Rodenstock 6x loupe

2002-06-28 Thread Alan Chan

I don't know about the 6X, but since you have the 3X, would it be more 
useful to go for the 8X or 10X so you can inspect the sharpness?

regards,
Alan Chan

  I'm getting enabled again.  Since I bought my Rodenstock 3x full-
frame loupe for 6x6 at Photographica, the shop I normally go to now
has them in stock.

Thats no big deal, but they obtained a couple of other loupes at the
same time.  They now have a very nice-looking Rodenstock aspheric 6x
loupe, full-frame for 35mm slides.  I haven't tried one out yet but
it looks big enough that it might have a decent amount of eye relief.

BH have them; I'm not going to paste their stupidly long URL.  Their
catalog number is ROL6XB, price US$186.95.  They seem to have them in
several ugly colours but its the black one I'd be getting.

Have any of you guys used one of these?  Impressions?


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RE: Manfrotto 055Cl vs Pro

2002-06-28 Thread ukasz Kacperczyk

Alan, you're talking about the head, right? What about those legs?
ukasz

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Manfrotto 055Cl vs Pro


I may have an opportunity to buy a new (I guess) Manfrotto 055 Cl tripod
and
a heavy duty ballhead No 168. All this for $75 ($50 - tripod, $25 - head).
My question is this - is the price right (I guess it is), and (more
important) how often do you use the center column of the 055 Pro in
horizontal position (I think it's the only difference between the 055 Cl
and
Pro).

I don't know about the new Heavy Duty ballhead, but the old design sucks. I
suggest you double checked before you buy one. Don't be fooled by its size.

regards,
Alan Chan


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RE: SMCT 35mm f2 and the yellow curse

2002-06-28 Thread HUDERER Bernd

David A. Mann wrote:

 You could use it to make the mid-day sun look like the golden 
 hour...

But then it's a feature, not a bug ! ;-)

regards
Bernd
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Re: Rodenstock 6x loupe

2002-06-28 Thread David A. Mann

Alan Chan wrote:

 I don't know about the 6X, but since you have the 3X, would it be more
 useful to go for the 8X or 10X so you can inspect the sharpness?

The shop only stocks 4x, 6x and the big 3x Rodenstocks.  I figured 
the 6x would be quite useful but having just put the some 35mm slides 
under the 3x, that might be good enough.

I already have a 10x loupe and while its not fantastic (it could use 
better coatings) it does its job well.

I'll check out the 6x on Sunday if I remember to bring some slides 
but now I doubt I will buy it...

Cheers,


- Dave

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RE: Manfrotto 055Cl vs Pro

2002-06-28 Thread Alan Chan

Alan, you're talking about the head, right? What about those legs?

I don't know much about their tripod except I used their original 190  055 
few years ago.

regards,
Alan Chan


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Camera support choices and comments

2002-06-28 Thread Flavio Minelli

Hi all,
I finally decided about the head-tripod combo I'd use (and need) in the
future and got  a Manfrotto 055PRO legset and 468RC ballhead that is a
Bogen 3021PRO plus 3435QR head.

The uses will be mostly landscape, both natural and artificial, and
macro. I dno't plan to use it for any studio work, right now.

I was starting from a 190/3001 tripod so I can feel the difference,
especially wrt height and weight. At 3.2 Kg/7 lbs. this combo is not
really lightweight but it feels really solid and about as heavy as I can
hope to lug around for some time. Probably not an option for long treks
unless it's strictly photographic (i.e. no wife or other non
photographers around). 

John Shaw's comments on the tripod height (but wrt the older version) is
fine if you're not taller than 180 Cm/5' 10  but I am exactly that
tall and with the head on the camera is right at my eye level. The
center post is rather long, though and I doubt I ever extend it much.
Besides is a real hassle for low level shots since the lenght prevents
the use of the tripod with the legs flattened out. Actually I asked for
the optional short post (about 20 Cm/8) but they say they're not
manufacturing it anymore and I should use the plastic thinghie attached
on the bottom of the post that you can lock on top of the legs once you
remove the center post. I think this is silly as that way you can't vary
the height of the camera unless you extend, retract or close the legs.

The macro focusing rail wasn't available at the shop either so I'll try
it without it and see if it works for my macro shots.

The head seems good, provided I couldn't spend the money to get a top
ballhead, with a  sufficently smooth movement and a friction control. In
addiction it offers a separated panning control. I just tried it out
with my Z1-p, Tokina 100-300 and 2x TC and it seems to absorb a smart
tap on the lens rather easily. Further test in the field will say, but
I'm confident.

Hope you found the reading interesting.

Ciao, Flavio
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