Re: Where's Pentax?
Bruce wrote: Until Pentax got together with HP they didn't have any sucessful digital imaging products. Well, digital parts of Nikon cameras are made by Sony. Pentax is very successful in the main digital field - the digital compacts. They are No. 2 in Germany and No. 1 in Sweden with 30% market share. Other markets number are probably similar (I don't have them at hand). With the new Option 230 their market share will probably increase. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Where's Pentax?
It wasn't a snipe. If it was it would have been phrased differently. I was just interested because so many people had waited for so long for a high end SLR. It's good for Pentax, and the people buying it if they're happy with it. I still can't understand why Pentax doesn't sell matching versions of the MS-S and Limited lenses in North America (black lenses or silver bodies). --- Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce sniped: Out of curiosity, just how many folks here thought enough of the MZ-S to go and buy one? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In a message dated 27/02/02 16:42:57 GMT Standard Time, Bruce writes: I still can't understand why Pentax doesn't sell matching versions of the MS-S and Limited lenses in North America (black lenses or silver bodies). Because I asked them not to..g - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Regarding Pentax being 3 generations behind: Nikon: ... Canon ... There's also the years of experience with fixed lens, non SLRs and film scanners that these companies have. Pentax was nth generations behind in digital compacts. Yet, their first solo effort, the Optio range, beats Canon's offering and has been a commercial success. So there is no point pushing out a product with no marketing potential. Nikon or Canon can sell anything at any price, but not Pentax. I, for one, think that they are wise in shelving the 6Mp MZ-D, as it would have been a financial disaster for a small company. -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
On Monday, February 25, 2002, at 02:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Nothing at the show, no press releases of future possibilities, etc. Well, don't you think they know that trumpeting their D-SLR and then discovering that they couldn't really make it the way they had planned hurt them, credibility-wise? In light of that, do you think they're going to announce any details of their new D-SLR before it is actually ready to be manufactured? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Well, don't you think they know that trumpeting their D-SLR and then discovering that they couldn't really make it the way they had planned hurt them, credibility-wise? Yes. In light of that, do you think they're going to announce any details of their new D-SLR before it is actually ready to be manufactured? Seemingly not ... although an announcement saying that they are working on something would be nice, but that's only from the perspective of an interested consumer. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ If you are a bad technician, it doesn't matter how big your negs are. - PDML Member - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Shel wrote: Seemingly not ... although an announcement saying that they are working on something would be nice, but that's only from the perspective of an interested consumer. But they already did say so. The press release for the shelved 6mp MZ-D state that they will be working on a more competitive digital slr instead. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
Nikon: D1 original, D1X/D1H, D100. These don't include the older Kodak/Nikon DSLR's. Canon was late with a Pro level DSLR, but ahead of Nikon at the lower end with the D30, and now on par. There's also the years of experience with fixed lens, non SLRs and film scanners that these companies have. Until Pentax got together with HP they didn't have any sucessful digital imaging products. If Pentax could come out with a 6 MP, DSLR that sold for under $1000 they might have something. --- Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 generations behind? how? Don't go into IS and VR or eye control but how is Pentax really behind in Technology? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Nikon: D1 original, D1X/D1H, D100. ...but you're not slagging Nikon for being 5 or 6 generations behind Kodak? Come on, be serious. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Nikon and Canon aren't. Kodak is barely hanging in there with competive products, let alone leading. Have you looked at the DCS720x and DCS760 (both based on the F5)? Class leading technology is fueled with cubic dollars; Nikon and Canon are willing and able to do so. --- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Nikon: D1 original, D1X/D1H, D100. ...but you're not slagging Nikon for being 5 or 6 generations behind Kodak? Come on, be serious. -Aaron Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 01:57 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Nikon and Canon aren't. Kodak is barely hanging in there with competive products, let alone leading. Have you looked at the DCS720x and DCS760 (both based on the F5)? Class leading technology is fueled with cubic dollars; Nikon and Canon are willing and able to do so. How can Pentax be behind when we haven't seen the product, then, Bruce? You just posted that Pentax are three generations behind because Nikon have revised their digital SLR three times. But Nikon is ahead of Kodak despite Kodak having more revisions and being on the market longer because Nikon's offering is better. Pick your argument and then support it. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Tuesday, February 26, 2002, at 05:09 PM, Brendan wrote: Want to Chrome plate my MZ-3 and get a snake skin cover? I'll trade it for the 67. No, but thanks for the offer. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
Out of curiosity, just how many folks here thought enough of the MZ-S to go and buy one? Lovely looking camera, but I'm not the slightest bit interested in it. I'll have the digital version ASAP. For film, I am very happy with the LX. The only thing I don't have on the LX that I would have on the MZ-S is autofocus, everything else I can live without (even program metering systems). Old habits die hard. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Where's Pentax?
Ya gotta hold it - anyone else remember the Pentax ads from the 1960's, when the slogan was Just hold a Pentax, with a picture of a Spotmatic or SV? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I'm a PZ-1 owner who considered the MZ-S for no more than 5 minutes. I kind of have my dream 35 kit right now (PZ-1, ZX-5n, LX) and don't see anything on paper to make me want to ditch any of those for the MZ-s (which, I must admit, I've never seen in person.) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Absolutely no doubt, I love the camera. I may even trade the MZ-5 for another MZ-S body, so I can shoot with completely compatible bodies when necessary. IMHO, the MZ-S is not over-priced for what you get, with regard to functionality and build quality. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:00 AM, Len Paris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: As a point of curiosity, how many folks moved from the PZ-1p to the MZ-S? I don't think I can tell from the body count. The next question is: What do you think? Was the move worth the price? I ask because I am a PZ-1p owner and am considering the MZ-S. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Same here, extremely pleased with mine. Bill - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Where's Pentax? Bruce sniped: Out of curiosity, just how many folks here thought enough of the MZ-S to go and buy one? if you take a look on the bodies roll call you'll find out. I did and I'm very happy with it Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I traded a PZ-1p and ZX-5n for the MZ-S and don't regret it for a second. To me, the MZ-S feels better and has a much more intuitive interface. Add the BG-10 grip and the AF360FGZ flash and it's an amazing combination. Bill - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Where's Pentax? As a point of curiosity, how many folks moved from the PZ-1p to the MZ-S? I don't think I can tell from the body count. The next question is: What do you think? Was the move worth the price? I ask because I am a PZ-1p owner and am considering the MZ-S. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On 26 Feb 2002 at 12:36, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Out of curiosity, just how many folks here thought enough of the MZ-S to go and buy one? I bought 2 w/ grips. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Where's Pentax?
In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 7:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ya gotta hold it - anyone else remember the Pentax ads from the 1960's, when the slogan was Just hold a Pentax, with a picture of a Spotmatic or SV? I don't remember much of anything before about 1969 ... And if my local dealer had the MZ-S in his store, I would have held it by now. But my husband is probably just as happy that said dealer hasn't had the opportunity to place this camera in my hands. (Although I managed to resist the 645n and the 67 that I handled in that store ... sorry to disappoint the gentlemen of the Brotherhood.) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On 26 Feb 2002 at 15:59, Len Paris wrote: The next question is: What do you think? Was the move worth the price? I've only had mine a very short time, so I can't really say definitively at this point, but there are 2 things that made the camera extremely desirable for me: the grip takes AA batteries and has a vertical shutter release. I really think the vertical release is going to have an impact on the way I shoot... Other things I like: - better low light AF - I prefer the interface over the pz-1p, especially exp. compensation - I like the finder better Things I don't like: - the back door is flimsier than I would like - can't use the vertical release with my Stroboframes. I might be able to jury rig this, but I'm not sure at this point. - 1/2 step exposure compensation. One more commentI never really loved my PZ-1p's. They're very capable, and gave great bang for the buck, but they just weren't, um, loyalty-inspiring. They're big plastic robo-blobs. I think the MZ-S is different in that respect. We'll see. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Yep, me too. It's superb. It positively *makes* me want to go out and take photographs it's so easy and gratifying to use. Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here, extremely pleased with mine. Bill - Original Message - From: Mick Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Where's Pentax? Bruce sniped: Out of curiosity, just how many folks here thought enough of the MZ-S to go and buy one? if you take a look on the bodies roll call you'll find out. I did and I'm very happy with it Regards, /\/\ick... -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Nothing at the show, no press releases of future possibilities, etc. I'm sure they're working on a DSLR. Since things change so rapidly in this area, they must come up with something that's ahead of the curve at a competitive price. I know that takes time, $$$, talent, and a crystal ball. I also know that they probably can't afford a failure, certainly not from the standpoint of their image or customer loyalty, all of which equates to $$. But if they're too conservative, they'll be too far behind ... my feeling is that they really have to be ahead of the competition wrt to quality, perhaps features. It's disappointing - and to some, even frustrating - to hear nothing from them about their future plans in this area. Of course, silence is preferred to a failure, or announcing a product that they can't deliver, for whatever reason. What frustrates me - and I'm not even that interested in digital cameras, so I can imagine the frustration of others who are - is that Pentax is taking so long to get a viable product to market, their poor marketing and distribution notwithstanding. Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Saturday, February 23, 2002, at 01:59 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Pentax has done ... nothing You were at the RD facility and looked around for work on digital and saw none? Or there was no announcement at PMA? There's a truly massive difference between not releasing a camera on the same date as everyone else and not developing a camera at all, Shel. I am glad that the original digital SLR from Pentax was shelved. It would be too expensive and not competitive. Of course, shelving a unit and then redesigning takes time. Personally, I would MUCH rather have a well thought out, well put together and competitive camera at a later date than an overpriced piece of junk today. I'll bet you would, too, Shel. Pentax have already had their name trashed once with a bad digital offering (those original digitals of theirs). I don't think they'll do that again. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ You can't have everything. Where would you put it? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I was going to say the D100 looks a bit smaller and lighter than my D1,until i saw the battery pack.Should weigh in about the same then. Pentax,were art thou??? Dave Begin Original Message From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:59:33 -0800 To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Where's Pentax? Certainly not in digital land. Mark sent me these URLs - even I find these cameras to be noteworthy and interesting. Canon announced the D60, a 6 megapixel SLR: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02022207canone osd60.asp Nikon announced the D100, a 6 megapixel SLR: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02022105nikond 100.asp Fuji announced the S2, a 6 megapixel SLR: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0201/02013003fujifi lms2pro.asp Sigma and Foveon have combined to make a tremendous 3 megapixel SLR: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02021104sigmad s9.asp All these cameras have a street price of $3,000 or less. Pentax has done ... nothing - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where's Pentax?
Where is Pentax in all of this. Why they built the camera a year ago, but as usual decided that their customers didn't need anything like that. Pextax whose motto from corporate headquarters to their dealers is, Pentax? We don't sell them. Allow me to play Devil's advocate for a moment. A while back Pentax were developing the digital SLR, right? We've all seen the pics of it, and a lucky few have actually held it. It exists, or existed. Which means there was (and still is) research and development going on. They were trying to get it to work, they had a problem. They tried to get round the problem, it was difficult. Meanwhile, they see how the market is starting to pan out. Their consumer digicams are selling well. So are others. Professionals wanting digital are buying the Nikon and Canon gear as expected, but the D30 is selling very well, and within price range of enthusiasts. Sure it would be nice to get a full frame sensor into the Pentax DSLR, but bearing in mind the issues (problems, and now price), they start work on a more modest proposal. It may even have been R and D'd in tandem with the original. The chassis and plastics are already made, just need to make it work, and hey: watch the price. Nikon D100 at half the price (est) of the D1x/h? That's enthusiast territory. That's us. Why would Nikon make a cheaper DSLR? Because they can, and it will sell BIG. Pentax can do that, and they are. Sure they're late, but they have an excuse. They were working on a biggy, but it couldn't be made to work. And someone upstairs said, 'look fellas, even if we do push this out, at over 5 grand (US) [or whatever - megabucks] it's gonna be too much for most enthusiasts, and we know that we've lost out on the pro market, no way are we going to get that back with this strategy, so let's back it off, and push on with a cut-down DSLR at 2 or 3 grand (US) - thats our market, let's go get 'em.' And I think this is what they said, and this is what they are doing. I'm not normally a betting man, but I'd seriously have 20 quid with anyone reading this that a Pentax DSLR will not only be announced, but working examples displayed, with orders taken from retailers, before the coming Christmas. I would hope on the shelves before Christmas, but maybe after. Either way, imminently. Now, I'm chewing at the bit for a DSLR, and now the D100 and the D60 are going to be out, I'm climbing the walls. However, I firmly believe that we will not be left (too far) behind, and that in a few short months there will be big grins all round. I'll stick with it, as the cost of having my favourite glass machined with Nikon or Canon mounts would exceed the cost of a D100 and a 17-35mm. Have faith. It's coming. You'll see! Meanwhile, I'm just nipping over to dpreview for another look at some digital hardware ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:00:55 -0500 From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where's Pentax? I Why they built the camera a year ago, but as usual decided that their customers didn't need anything like that. Pextax whose motto from corporate headquarters to their dealers is, Pentax? We don't sell them. --- According to their official press release, Pentax dropped the MZ-D design because they felt that it wasn't going to be competitive enough (And they were absolutely right about that). They have promised that the wisdoms learned from this project, will evolve into other digital cameras. Best regards, Roland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:00:55 -0500 From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where's Pentax? I Why they built the camera a year ago, but as usual decided that their customers didn't need anything like that. Pextax whose motto from corporate headquarters to their dealers is, Pentax? We don't sell them. --- According to their official press release, Pentax dropped the MZ-D design because they felt that it wasn't going to be competitive enough (And they were absolutely right about that). They have promised that the wisdoms learned from this project, will evolve into other digital cameras. Best regards, Roland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
