Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal
This was a joke, wasn't it? Conrad Schneiker wrote: Why not taking a camel with 6 humps? Just joking, could not resist. :-) You want 6 humps? I'll give you 6 humps! Check this out: http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo.htm Best regards, Conrad Conrad Schneiker www.AthenaLab.com
Re: Logo considerations
Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps with the Parrot logo mixed in. On 3/24/09, Daniel Ruoso dan...@ruoso.com wrote: Em Ter, 2009-03-24 às 09:01 -0300, Daniel Ruoso escreveu: A zombie cat? While I wasn't really serious about it... -- Sent from my mobile device Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:15 -0400, Daniel Ruoso dan...@ruoso.com wrote: are you suggesting that the cat should be eating a parrot in the rakudo logo? Haha... that's pretty funny. -- ispy++
YALI (yet another logo idea)
I was thinking that a logo doesn't really need to incorporate a symbol (e.g. camel, onion etc.), and that one of the more important aspects of a logo is the typography. Rather than ramble on with ideas, I decided to make something to look at: http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas Also, I really think the services of a professional designer are needed. Is there any possibility of some funds being allocated to hire one? (Who did the Parrot logo?)
Re: YALI (yet another logo idea)
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:17:56 -0400, Ross Kendall r...@rosskendall.com wrote: I was thinking that a logo doesn't really need to incorporate a symbol (e.g. camel, onion etc.), and that one of the more important aspects of a logo is the typography. Rather than ramble on with ideas, I decided to make something to look at: http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas Also, I really think the services of a professional designer are needed. Is there any possibility of some funds being allocated to hire one? (Who did the Parrot logo?) A combination of 3, 5 and 7... I like the 'Rakudo' font used in 7 in particular. -- ispy++
Re: Logo considerations
--- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald j...@perlwolf.com wrote: The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon ring be used as the logo for Parrot... A carbon ring also has the advantages that it's regognizable as a very small logo, even as just a favicon.ico, and can be reasonably if stylistically represented in simple ASCII art. You can even put a tail off the top to look like 6-ish, or if you have real art skills, superimpose a Pearl into the hexagon with a little VI (both a Roman numeral and a vague homage to the text editor of it's UNIX roots). Yes, lots of inside jokes, but that's part of the community thing === Hodges' Rule of Thumb: Never expect reasonable behavior from anything with a thumb.
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 08:42 -0700, Paul Hodges wrote: --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald j...@perlwolf.com wrote: The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon ring be used as the logo for Parrot... Did you mean Rakudo here ? Parrot seems to have a logo already. A carbon ring also has the advantages that it's regognizable as a very small logo, even as just a favicon.ico, and can be reasonably if stylistically represented in simple ASCII art. You can even put a tail off the top to look like 6-ish, or if you have real art skills, superimpose a Pearl into the hexagon with a little VI (both a Roman numeral and a vague homage to the text editor of it's UNIX roots). Yes, lots of inside jokes, but that's part of the community thing -- --gh
Re: YALI (yet another logo idea)
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:29:08AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 14:17 +, Ross Kendall wrote: I was thinking that a logo doesn't really need to incorporate a symbol (e.g. camel, onion etc.), and that one of the more important aspects of a logo is the typography. Rather than ramble on with ideas, I decided to make something to look at: http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas I like 4. FWIW, I like 4 also. Pm
Re: Logo considerations
http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf
Re: Logo considerations
2009/3/24 Larry Wall la...@wall.org: http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf Intended or not, the smiley is a nice tribute to Audrey and her lovely style of presentations. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni heb: http://haharoni.wordpress.com | eng: http://aharoni.wordpress.com cat: http://aprenent.wordpress.com | rus: http://amire80.livejournal.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 09:16 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf It's nice but I don't get it. google: camelia http://camelia.sourceforge.net/ http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plants/camelia/ http://www.hotelcamelia.com/ http://akira.ruc.dk/~camelia/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelia_Potec ok ... i'm still not getting it ... google: camelia butterfly still flowers http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordv/with/3362403260/ spelled with two ls ... must be bactrian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon Lang wrote: : 2009/3/24 Larry Wall la...@wall.org: : http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf : : Cute. I do like the hyper-operated smiley-face. : : What I'd really like to see, though, is a logo that speaks to Perl's : linguistic roots. That, more than anything else I can think of, is : _the_ defining feature of Perl. Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something with gut appeal on the order of Tux. In particular I want a logo for Perl 6 that is: Fun Cool Cute Named Lively Punable Personal Concrete Symmetric Asymmetric Attractive Relational Metamorphic Decolorizable Shrinkable to textual icon Shrinkable to graphical icon In addition, you can extend just about anything by attaching P6 wings to it. I also take it as a given that we want to discourage misogyny in our community. You of the masculine persuasion should consider it an opportunity to show off your sensitive side. :) Hence, Camelia. Larry
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:24 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something [snip] In addition, you can extend just about anything by attaching P6 wings to it. I also take it as a given that we want to discourage misogyny in our community. You of the masculine persuasion should I was unaware of mysogyny in the perl community. I'm sorry to hear about it. consider it an opportunity to show off your sensitive side. :) Hence, Camelia. So P6 wings on a parrot would do for rakudo then. -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
Oh, I forgot to mention that Camelia's larval form was a dromedary, and she's actually got a wingspan of about 3 meters. You really don't want to get her mad. (It is rumored that she has a very small hump, but if so, she shows it only to her close friends.) She was genetically engineered while metamorphizing and can change the colors of her wings to match or contrast with her surroundings, depending on whether she wants to hide or be noticed. Camelia is terrifically excited to be considered for the Perl 6 mascot. :) Larry
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 10:37 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention that Camelia's larval form was a dromedary, well that might have given us a clue and she's actually got a wingspan of about 3 meters. You really don't want to get her mad. (It is rumored that she has a very small hump, but if so, she shows it only to her close friends.) is there a six tape ? She was genetically engineered while metamorphizing and can change the colors of her wings to match or contrast with her surroundings, depending on whether she wants to hide or be noticed. Camelia is terrifically excited to be considered for the Perl 6 mascot. :) the P6 parrot is appropriately intimidated and withdraws its candidacy ... Larry -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:33:41PM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: : I was unaware of mysogyny in the perl community. I'm sorry to hear : about it. In general it's not overt as it is in other communities, or even intended--I think we do pretty well, in fact--but it's easy to discourage people unintentionally as well, so we do need to be very careful to be fair. And it would not be fair to give the impression to 50% of our potential users that they have to become guys to fit in. That's all I meant. And I'm not trying to unbalance it the other way either. If you guys want versions of Camelia in her attack mode, that's okay too. :) And in fact, the ö form looks more like a Hyper Attack Butterfly that is about to bite your face off... :) Larry
Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Ross Kendall r...@rosskendall.com wrote: This was a joke, wasn't it? http://static.destiney.com/perl6_logo.png (Speaking of jokes) -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/
RE: Logo considerations
-Original Message-
From: Conrad Schneiker [mailto:conrad.schnei...@gmail.com]
Here's my latest suggestion:
http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm
It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below)
and Ross Kendall's suggestions at
(http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas).
For a smaller sized Rakudo logo,
just remove the text between the proposed Perl 6 logo
and the Parrot logo.
The proposed Perl 6 logo is a coronene molecule
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronene).
PS: Suggested {Perl6, Parrot, Parrot languages, and CXAN}
ecosystem slogan: brainware of the semantic web.
Forgot to mention that (per Larry's suggestions)
you could also regard the Perl 6 logo as a
stylized flower, and you could round the
outer corners a bit to soften the logo.
Best regards,
Conrad
Conrad Schneiker
www.AthenaLab.com
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:24:47AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: I want something with gut appeal on the order of Tux. In particular I want a logo for Perl 6 that is: Fun Cool Cute Named Lively Punable [...] +2 to this approach. Pm
RE: Logo considerations
On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: Here's my latest suggestion: http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) and Ross Kendall's suggestions at (http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas). For a smaller sized Rakudo logo, just remove the text between the proposed Perl 6 logo and the Parrot logo. For the small logo, you could super-impose the Parrot on top of the molecule ... and for pugs: http://www.bnpositive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/starwars-pugs.jpg or you could select something more tasteful from: http://images.google.com/images?q=pugoe=utf-8rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficialclient=iceweasel-aum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Nhl=entab=wi The proposed Perl 6 logo is a coronene molecule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronene). -- --gh
Re: Logo considerations
Em Ter, 2009-03-24 às 09:17 -0400, Mark J. Reed escreveu: Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps with the Parrot logo mixed in. are you suggesting that the cat should be eating a parrot in the rakudo logo? ... sorry, couldn't resist... again... daniel
Re: Logo considerations
Em Seg, 2009-03-23 às 21:47 -0700, Darren Duncan escreveu: If you're going for sciencey or mathey illustrations, then I think its important to include something that speaks quantum physics in there, since quantum superpositions aka Junctions are one of the big central user features that Perl 6 provides which is relatively new to languages in general. A zombie cat? sorry... couldn't resist... daniel
Re: Logo considerations
2009/3/24 Larry Wall la...@wall.org: http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf Cute. I do like the hyper-operated smiley-face. What I'd really like to see, though, is a logo that speaks to Perl's linguistic roots. That, more than anything else I can think of, is _the_ defining feature of Perl. -- Jonathan Dataweaver Lang
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:16:01AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf I gotta say, that these are the first 2 that I even remotely like. I especially like how the P and the 6 are in the wings. I think what appeals to me is that they are simple, easy to look at, and not overly complicated with meaning or cleverness. my $0.02. Brett -- B. Estrade http://www.loni.org
Re: Logo considerations
creating a logo by committee is probably the worst way to design such things ... perl6 logo will be seen in the context of other more professionally designed logos and like it or not using the basics of modern branding and marketing will result in something that is more recognizable no matter how much we may despise these kind of techniques realize that commercial entities (which compete in some way directly with perl6) will spendmillions on such activities and perl6 should consider at a minimum professional execution of a design. Is there any sponsorship money to spend on a very good graphic designer to create something based on a small list of requirements as to what meaning it should convey ? Of course the logo should represent the community fundamentally, but I find all of the suggestions little to do with addressing needs of a logo versus needs of what I would call more of a 'club' badge. I mention these concerns because I would like perl6 to be adopted to as wide a developer audience as possible. my 2p, Jim Fuller On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Conrad Schneiker conrad.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: From: Guy Hulbert [mailto:gwhulb...@eol.ca] On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 11:38 -0700, Conrad Schneiker wrote: Here's my latest suggestion: http://www.athenalab.com/Rakudo_logo_2.htm It combines Damian Conway's suggestions (please see below) and Ross Kendall's suggestions at (http://www.rakudo.org/some-rakudo-logo-ideas). For a smaller sized Rakudo logo, just remove the text between the proposed Perl 6 logo and the Parrot logo. For the small logo, you could super-impose the Parrot on top of the molecule ... and for pugs: http://www.bnpositive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/starwars-pugs.jpg That's awful! And outrageously hilarious. The Yoda image + molecule (aka hexa-flower) gets my vote for Pugs (although it's not my decision to make). Best regards, Conrad Conrad Schneiker www.AthenaLab.com
Re: Rakduo Logo Proposal
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:43 +0100, Carl Mäsak wrote: Stephen (): Use of the gimel[1] character comes from Justin Simoni's logo design proposal[2] from a while back, and the design is a reference to the anarchist symbol[3]. It also looks like a reference to another programming language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_(programming_language) Lambda in a circle. We don't surround our letter with mathematical symbols, but the similarity is still there. // Carl Not anymore. As you can see here: http://www.haskell.org/logos/results.html the new haskell logo is http://haskell.org/logos/logos/logo7000.png , roughly spelled λ=
Re: Logo considerations
Larry Wall wrote: And in fact, the ö form looks more like a Hyper Attack Butterfly that is about to bite your face off... :) Her topmodel looks very hexagonal. |_| / \ -/ \- | | -\ /- \-/ | | -- Ruud
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:17:15AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: Are we seeking a logo for Perl 6 in general or Rakudo in particular? It seems like the latter should be derived from the former, perhaps with the Parrot logo mixed in. The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon ring be used as the logo for Parrot. Languages based on Parrot could then use a tiny carbon ring attached to their own logo (such as grapheme for Rakudo). Carbon does connect well to many other chemical combinations, including joining together things that don't otherwise bond directly to each other. (The duct tape of the microverse, bringing carbon-based program forms to the world. :-) A neat thing that could come out of this would be that there would be a convenient logo for a module that made use of multiple languages - the carbon ring with an appropriate number of language logos attached to it. In keeping with the tradition that carbon rings often have symbols inside the ring - I'd put a parrot inside a hexagonal birdcage as the full-sized Parrot logo, and only reduce it to just the small hexagon ring when it is being used in a connected fashion, attached to other logos. (Of course, this is not the proper forum for discussing changing the Parrot logo to a carbon ring.)
Re: Logo considerations
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:56:46AM -0400, Guy Hulbert wrote: On Tue, 2009-24-03 at 08:42 -0700, Paul Hodges wrote: --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John Macdonald j...@perlwolf.com wrote: The graphene logo inspires me to suggest that a carbon ring be used as the logo for Parrot... Did you mean Rakudo here ? Parrot seems to have a logo already. Well, it may have been removed from Paul quote, but I mentioned in my original message that this was the wrong forum to be suggesting a new logo for Parrot, but yes Parrot is what I was referring to. I just realized one more connotation of using the carbon ring for Parrot - since it provides a platform for both building and connecting a wide variety of languages, this is the: one ring to bind them
Re: Logo considerations
Firstly, I'd like to speak in favour of the idea of designing a logo for Perl6, and then creating a Rakudo logo based on the Perl6 logo and the Parrot logo. From here on, I'll be addressing the Perl6 logo. On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Larry Wall wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:49:42AM -0700, Jon Lang wrote: : 2009/3/24 Larry Wall la...@wall.org: : http://www.wall.org/~larry/camelia.pdf I vote for this at the moment, but I'd still like to see other proposals now that we have some more direction. Not picking on you in particular, but I think there's a tendency to go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something with gut appeal on the order of Tux. In particular I want a logo for Perl 6 that is: Fun Cool Cute Named Lively Punable Personal Concrete Symmetric Asymmetric Attractive Relational Metamorphic Decolorizable Shrinkable to textual icon Shrinkable to graphical icon These criteria seem to eliminate all of the other existing logo proposals. However, some of them could be redesigned to fit these criteria. I'd like to ask, though, that all future logos include both the text and the graphical version. In addition, you can extend just about anything by attaching P6 wings to it. I also take it as a given that we want to discourage misogyny in our community. You of the masculine persuasion should consider it an opportunity to show off your sensitive side. :) In spite of what you said about the butterfly being enormous, I'd like to suggest that one advantage of having a butterfly is that we could believably have it sitting on top of the Parrot (enormous parrot too?). In response to those asking for a professional designer, I'd like to see us go around a few more times here, and see if we can't come up with at least a good concept that could hopefully be used/stylised by a real graphic designer, so that we might end up with something like the Parrot logo. Now that Larry's provided some criteria, let round 2 of the design process begin! :) - | Name: Tim Nelson | Because the Creator is,| | E-mail: wayl...@wayland.id.au| I am | - BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version 3.12 GCS d+++ s+: a- C++$ U+++$ P+++$ L+++ E- W+ N+ w--- V- PE(+) Y+++ PGP-+++ R(+) !tv b++ DI D G+ e++ h! y- -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Btw, I think these logo discussions have just proved the bikeshedding idea :)
- | Name: Tim Nelson | Because the Creator is,| | E-mail: wayl...@wayland.id.au| I am | - BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version 3.12 GCS d+++ s+: a- C++$ U+++$ P+++$ L+++ E- W+ N+ w--- V- PE(+) Y+++ PGP-+++ R(+) !tv b++ DI D G+ e++ h! y- -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Logo considerations
On Wed, 2009-25-03 at 10:45 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: In response to those asking for a professional designer, I'd like to see us go around a few more times here, and see if we can't come up with at least a good concept that could hopefully be used/stylised by a real graphic designer, so that we might end up with something like the Parrot logo. +1 (and most of the rest too) Now that Larry's provided some criteria, let round 2 of the design process begin! I think this originally came up a few weeks ago ... seems more like round 3 to me ;-) -- --gh
