Please, behave nice and stick to the subject.
Mailing list is not the place for this kind of talk.
Sincerely,
Dusan
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Fernando Pianegiani <
fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear David, Nicklas,
>
> I think that this is not the right place where to discuss about this topic,
> but I have to try to give you an answer.
>
> PostgreSQL is not only open source, like MySQL is, but also free. This
> means that people who don't develop neither a line of code of PostgreSQL (or
> just some few lines of it) can use it to do what they want, even money,
> without having the obligation to provide back 1 cent to the PostgreSQL
> community. That's incredible I know, but it is so. And why? I don't know
> exactly, but I know that there are several reasons that are not very
> "transparent". I can try to give my interpretation hopping that it is the
> real one or in any case thinking that it should be the correct one. If
> people who develop PostgreSQL make it free, people who don't develop
> PostgreSQL but who use it for their research projects or business can make
> available the results of their projects also to the developers of
> PostgreSQL, but overall to the worldwide community. And so, in case for
> example a developer of PostgreSQL or any other person should have a health
> problem, he can hope that his hospital uses the results of a research
> project got also with the help of PostgreSQL or of some other free
> technology.
>
> I think the previous one is the philosophy that should be behind the words
> "open source" and "free". In all the other cases there are in my opinion
> interests that should be better clarified.
>
> If we do something for free for other people, then they can do something
> for other people using for free our results, and so on...the alternatives
> are under our eyes, that is the jungle of the market and the worldwide
> crisis. So David, don't worry for my activity of research, instead you
> should be seriously preoccupied if you do business. Moreover, the fact that
> my project ended could be in case an additional problem for both of us and
> not only if we should have problems of health strictly inherent to the
> results of research coming from a possible development of my old project.
> Obviously, I hope no for all of us. :-)
>
> David, Nicklas, if you make money by using PostgreSQL and you want to be
> really honest (as you claim honesty from me and from my work activity),
> please count that money and give the right percentage of it to the
> PostgreSQL community, but considering also who spent more time, resources
> like electric power, computer hardware, etc. than the others in developing
> it. In this way if you develop PostgreSQL, then you too can get your right
> percentage from you and from the other developers.
>
> Dear Scott, Niklas, you are right, the components and the resources
> necessary to manufacture the solutions developed within the arduino project
> are not for free. Only the schematics, the gerbers, etc. are for free.
>
> Finally, the world is full of companies that make available for free their
> hardware/software/human resources. Probably also you use them every day for
> free (e.g., the media in general) or you store your data for free in part of
> those resources (facebook, youtube, just to do general examples), but those
> resources are not really "for free", those companies find the way to gain a
> lot of money with the fact that you access to their resources.
>
> In any case, excuse me if I have hurted your's feelings. My intention was
> not to ask for a free hosting platform (free stuff, etc.) to the PostgreSQL
> community, but I simply asked if the community knows anybody who provides a
> service of free hosting, supposing that in some way the provider of that
> hosting service would have earned his right income from me in some way (e.g.
> a banner installed on my PC or other similar business). Fortunately up to
> now I have never asked for charity dear David and I hope to have not to do
> it in the future.
>
> Have a good dinner!
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:35 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>
>> Since this thread is already top-post...
>>
>> One of the reasons software can be "free" is because people are able to
>> make money doing things like hosting and consulting.
>>
>> If you are looking for charity because you are poor, or what you want to
>> do has little commercial value, you would be wise to propose what it is you
>> want to actually accomplish and the specific resources you likely need.
>> Showing effort on your part will project professionalism as opposed to the
>> free-loader personality that you show when you simply ask for free stuff.
>> Simply pointing out that you need to eat as the reason why you need free
>> hosting makes you look foolish. The fact that you cross-posted projects
>> disrespect for the very communities providing the "free" stuff you want to
>> use.
>>
>> I'm sorry your resear