Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
What about just hot linseed oil? Linseed oil heated in a pan on a stove and then carefully (so you don't burn your fingers) applied? I've used this to finish furniture with good results. Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine if not slathered on like mayo on a roll will penetrate and the turps will vaporize in a couple of days. There is not much else that will work to get the linseed oil into the wood as turpentine is produced from the wood. You could experiment with DMSO as if it thins the linseed then it will also work and it does not have an odor. Oil paint thinner (VM&P Naphtha) will work but that is benzine. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
I would be looking up the MSDS for whatever thinner you would like to use. The idea is to thin the boiled linseed oil to the point it penetrates into the wood and once the solvent vaporizes the remaining oil will oxidize to a solid. "White spirit" is not real nice stuff. The majority of these solvents are one of the various forms of hydrocarbon that have been found to have an adverse impact on humans. The gum turpentine is the least offensive of the bunch. On 05/25/2012 01:07 PM, Philip Carli wrote: Would "white spirit", which is made in a nearly-odorless form, work with boiled linseed oil in a less stinking way than turpentine and seal wood effectively? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Ron L'Herault [lhera...@bu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:16 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment I wonder if a slightly thinned latex paint would be the answer. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Philip Carli Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Is there any other substance less odorous than real turpentine that could be used with llinseed oil as a sealing mixture - or is there any other combination of ingredients (save silicone caulk or similar items of synthetic nature) that might be combined that the odors and airborne pollutants would dissipate relatively quickly? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine if not slathered on like mayo on a roll will penetrate and the turps will vaporize in a couple of days. There is not much else that will work to get the linseed oil into the wood as turpentine is produced from the wood. You could experiment with DMSO as if it thins the linseed then it will also work and it does not have an odor. Oil paint thinner (VM&P Naphtha) will work but that is benzine. On 05/25/2012 12:16 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I wonder if a slightly thinned latex paint would be the answer. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Philip Carli Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Is there any other substance less odorous than real turpentine that could be used with llinseed oil as a sealing mixture - or is there any other combination of ingredients (save silicone caulk or similar items of synthetic nature) that might be combined that the odors and airborne pollutants would dissipate relatively quickly? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Would "white spirit", which is made in a nearly-odorless form, work with boiled linseed oil in a less stinking way than turpentine and seal wood effectively? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Ron L'Herault [lhera...@bu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:16 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment I wonder if a slightly thinned latex paint would be the answer. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Philip Carli Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Is there any other substance less odorous than real turpentine that could be used with llinseed oil as a sealing mixture - or is there any other combination of ingredients (save silicone caulk or similar items of synthetic nature) that might be combined that the odors and airborne pollutants would dissipate relatively quickly? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
I wonder if a slightly thinned latex paint would be the answer. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Philip Carli Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Is there any other substance less odorous than real turpentine that could be used with llinseed oil as a sealing mixture - or is there any other combination of ingredients (save silicone caulk or similar items of synthetic nature) that might be combined that the odors and airborne pollutants would dissipate relatively quickly? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Is there any other substance less odorous than real turpentine that could be used with llinseed oil as a sealing mixture - or is there any other combination of ingredients (save silicone caulk or similar items of synthetic nature) that might be combined that the odors and airborne pollutants would dissipate relatively quickly? From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
This does read rather as damage to the instrument, once treated, would occur if placed in an unstable or climactically changing environment. From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of DanKj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment From this list, 5 years ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Supposed to be vegetable glycerin, 100% alcohol, and some amount of high grade tap water and glue. Homemade Softener - There's an age old recipe of consisting of 3 parts water, 2 parts yellow glue, 1 part vegetable glycerin, and 1 part denatured alcohol. This concoction will soften veneer but it's messy, hard to dry, and it will seal the wood cells which can have an effect on the wood's ability to accept a stain. Tip: If you opt to use homemade veneer softener and find that it causes the veneer to stick to the absorbent paper, place a piece of fiberglass cloth between the veneer and the paper. Fiber glass cloth can be found at your local hardware store near the adhesives aisle. On 05/24/2012 09:33 AM, Rick Mazur wrote: Is it vegetable glycerine that is mixed with the alcholol or another form of glycerine? -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment The smell kind of grows on you. One thing to keep very firmly in mind ith the linseed oil/turpentine mix is this is the stuff that when oaked up in rags in a bucket will reliably spontaneously combust. This s something that is usually applied with a rag pad in small doses. On 05/23/2012 07:06 PM, DanKj wrote: Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly expand& contract along with the humidity in the room. I used linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Is it vegetable glycerine that is mixed with the alcholol or another form of glycerine? -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 10:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment The smell kind of grows on you. One thing to keep very firmly in mind ith the linseed oil/turpentine mix is this is the stuff that when oaked up in rags in a bucket will reliably spontaneously combust. This s something that is usually applied with a rag pad in small doses. On 05/23/2012 07:06 PM, DanKj wrote: Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly expand & contract along with the humidity in the room. I used linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment > Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in > the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have > another opinion to change mine... > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on > behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment > > Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all > joints are tight first. > > On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: >> One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good >> things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine >> and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all >> fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with >> the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and >> doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood >> and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the >> alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it >> makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, >> but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli >> >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on >> behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment >> >> In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a >> spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so >> machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a >> visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. >> Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't >> sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the >> tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one >> out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV >> 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been >> using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less >> warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of >> adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 >> turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of >> turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely >> balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b > ut >> with better bass. >> >> Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball >> bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm >> end for a tight seal. >> >> Many thanks for any suggestions, >> >> Will >> Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
RON IS ALSO A GREAT GUY TO DEAL WITH I have bought several higher end victrolas from him zono -Original Message- From: William Berndt To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 2:08 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, but with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
I do try to keep rooms at a fairly constant humidity, I am a professional pianist with a better-than-decent grand plus the Credenza, and my two tuners mentioned the process (neither of whom I would call hacks - if anything, historical instrument caretakers) in association with their own Credenzas, and I'm not sure I want our public rooms smelling of turpentine for a year. It's a smell I associate with retsina, the worst wine known to man, and I worked in the wine business during my time getting the M.A. and Ph.D. at Eastman. Glycerine/alcohol has been "mostly discredited" by whom? It's still out there, and the linseed/turpentine mix seems to be for those who don't use the rooms for anything else, which would not suit me, my family, or our guests, who quite enjoy the instrument. Is glycerine/alcohol really so bad, or irreversible? Is there anything less redolent as a fix? (As it is, our Credenza sounds quite good, so maybe I'll leave it alone; still, wood is supposed to r eact with the atmosphere, so a treatment respecting that and taking into account other factors doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Name one piano that sounds and responds the same year-round without atmospheric care...) From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment The smell kind of grows on you. One thing to keep very firmly in mind with the linseed oil/turpentine mix is this is the stuff that when soaked up in rags in a bucket will reliably spontaneously combust. This is something that is usually applied with a rag pad in small doses. On 05/23/2012 07:06 PM, DanKj wrote: > Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose > tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by > attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to > constantly expand & contract along with the humidity in the room. I used > linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems > fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for > about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. > > > > - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment > > >> Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in >> the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have >> another opinion to change mine... >> >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on >> behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment >> >> Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all >> joints are tight first. >> >> On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: >>> One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good >>> things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine >>> and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all >>> fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with >>> the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and >>> doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood >>> and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the >>> alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it >>> makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, >>> but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli >>> >>> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on >>> behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM >>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment >>> >>> In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a >>> spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so >>> machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a >>> visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. >>> Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't >>> sound as good - rather dul
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
The smell kind of grows on you. One thing to keep very firmly in mind with the linseed oil/turpentine mix is this is the stuff that when soaked up in rags in a bucket will reliably spontaneously combust. This is something that is usually applied with a rag pad in small doses. On 05/23/2012 07:06 PM, DanKj wrote: Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly expand & contract along with the humidity in the room. I used linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited. Glycerine works by attracting mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly expand & contract along with the humidity in the room. I used linseed/turp on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not dried-out. My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it wasn't overpowering. - Original Message - From: "Philip Carli" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Here is where the glycerin + alcohol comes from. Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine has been used as a gun stock finish for years. Homemade Softener - There's an age old recipe of consisting of 3 parts water, 2 parts yellow glue, 1 part vegetable glycerin, and 1 part denatured alcohol. This concoction will soften veneer but it's messy, hard to dry, and it will seal the wood cells which can have an effect on the wood's ability to accept a stain. Tip: If you opt to use homemade veneer softener and find that it causes the veneer to stick to the absorbent paper, place a piece of fiberglass cloth between the veneer and the paper. Fiber glass cloth can be found at your local hardware store near the adhesives aisle. On 05/23/2012 04:53 PM, Philip Carli wrote: Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, Hello Will, The HMV 5B came with felt gaskets, they sound bad when compared with the Victor unless the felt gaskets are replaced. Steve > From: bassethoundt...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 11:53:05 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment > > In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring > motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he > has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine > condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was > initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less > volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket > underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I > started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, > and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with > less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of > adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn > increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, > I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like > the HMV 5B, b ut > with better bass. > > Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings > in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight > seal. > > Many thanks for any suggestions, > > Will > Chicago, IL > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Which do you think is less invasive? I've always had mixed feelings in the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another opinion to change mine... From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: > One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things > about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. > Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) > and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the > next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the > glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out > over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. > Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it > yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf > of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment > > In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring > motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he > has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine > condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was > initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less > volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket > underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I > started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, > and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with > less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of > adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn > increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, > I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like > the HMV 5B, b ut >with better bass. > > Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings > in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight > seal. > > Many thanks for any suggestions, > > Will > Chicago, IL > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > > This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the > information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, > forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this > email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it > from your email system. Thank you. > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all joints are tight first. On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote: One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b ut with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
Make sure joints in the horn are air tight. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of William Berndt Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, but with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and alcohol. Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings (tone arm etc.) and "painting" the inside of the horn with the machine upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and leaves the wood revivified. Supposedly it makes for a more "forward" and resonant sound. Haven't done it yet, but know people who have recommended the technique. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, but with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment
In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in such fine condition that I caved and bought it. Having sold my Victor VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather dull, and less volume. First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the sound a bit. I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should have. Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference! After an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, but with better bass. Are there any more "tweaks" I can do? Ron already replaced the ball bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end for a tight seal. Many thanks for any suggestions, Will Chicago, IL ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
