Re: (OT HDW question update) update

2012-01-13 Thread Stephen
Id say try the adapter you have on the card you prefer. if it doesn't work
go to plan b.

Because i do know they can do odd things with the pinouts from a card and
allot of graphics vendors make VGA something that can be at least connected
and used. so while it is supposed to be A, you can get B and C to work too.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:


 I dug out my spare video card and it has a DVI-I port so I think that I'll
 try that.

 I still don't know enough about this whole area, so if anyone has anything
 to share, it would be appreciated.

 Mark Jarvis


 Mark Jarvis wrote:



 If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface, without
 the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog output in the
 plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I have on one machine--do
 not have the analog signal.


 Quoting: As well as digital signals, the DVI connector includes pins
 providing the same analog signals found on a VGA connector, allowing an
 analog VGA monitor to be connected with a passive plug adapter (or with a
 converter cable with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other). This
 feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as it allows either
 type of monitor (analog or digital) to be operated from the same connector.

 The DVI connector on a device is therefore given one of three names,
 depending on which signals it implements:

- *DVI-D* (digital only, both single-link and dual-link)
- *DVI-A* (analog only)
- *DVI-I* (integrated – digital and analog)

 One machine has  both DVI-I  VGA ports, the other only the DVI-D,. I'll
 try to find a spare video card and see if that will help.

 Mark

 Stephen wrote:

 I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine
 with the simple adapter.

 I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous.

 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net 
 m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

  I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they
 wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say
 good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I don't think an
 adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are
 DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect
 that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would
 require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible.

 It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more
 expensive KVM with DVI ports.

 Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface
 will be gratefully accepted.

 Thanks,

 Mark Jarvis



 Stephen wrote:

 The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
 you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
 would be more than 5 bux.

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net 
 m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

 I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
 was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
 running.

 What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
 computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
 DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

 I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
 but video is one area I have no expertise in.

 Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: OT HDW question update

2012-01-12 Thread Stephen
I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine
with the simple adapter.

I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

 I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they
 wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say
 good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I don't think an
 adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are
 DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect
 that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would
 require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible.

 It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more
 expensive KVM with DVI ports.

 Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface
 will be gratefully accepted.

 Thanks,

 Mark Jarvis



 Stephen wrote:

 The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
 you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
 would be more than 5 bux.

 On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

 I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
 was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
 running.

 What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
 computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
 DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

 I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
 but video is one area I have no expertise in.

 Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: OT HDW question update

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Jarvis

  
  


  If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface,
  without the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog
  output in the plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I
  have on one machine--do not have the analog signal.

Quoting: "As well as digital signals, the DVI
connector includes pins providing the same analog signals found
on a VGA connector, allowing an analog VGA monitor to be
connected with a passive plug adapter (or with a converter cable
with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other). This
feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as it
allows either type of monitor (analog or digital) to be operated
from the same connector.


The DVI connector on a device is therefore
given one of three names, depending on which signals it
implements:



  DVI-D (digital only, both
  single-link and dual-link)
  DVI-A (analog only)
  DVI-I (integrated  digital and
  analog)"

One machine has both
  DVI-I  VGA ports, the other only the DVI-D,. I'll try
  to find a spare video card and see if that will help.

Mark

Stephen wrote:

  I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine
with the simple adapter.

I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

  

I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they
wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say
good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I don't think an
adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are
DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect
that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would
require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible.

It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more
expensive KVM with DVI ports.

Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface
will be gratefully accepted.

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis



Stephen wrote:

The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
but video is one area I have no expertise in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: OT HDW question update

2012-01-12 Thread Eric Shubert

Interesting, Mark. Thanks for sharing this.

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On 01/12/2012 11:56 AM, Mark Jarvis wrote:



If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface, without
the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog output in the
plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I have on one
machine--do not have the analog signal.

Quoting: As well as digital signals, the DVI connector includes pins
providing the same analog signals found on a VGA connector, allowing an
analog VGA monitor to be connected with a passive plug adapter (or with
a converter cable with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other).
This feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as it allows
either type of monitor (analog or digital) to be operated from the same
connector.

The DVI connector on a device is therefore given one of three names,
depending on which signals it implements:

* /DVI-D/ (digital only, both single-link and dual-link)
* /DVI-A/ (analog only)
* /DVI-I/ (integrated – digital and analog)

One machine has both DVI-I  VGA ports, the otheronlythe DVI-D,. I'll
try to find a spare video card and see if that will help.

Mark

Stephen wrote:

I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine
with the simple adapter.

I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net  wrote:

I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they
wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say
good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I don't think an
adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are
DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect
that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would
require a non-simple (  non-cheap) adapter or be impossible.

It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more
expensive KVM with DVI ports.

Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface
will be gratefully accepted.

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis



Stephen wrote:

The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net  wrote:

I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
but video is one area I have no expertise in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: (OT HDW question update) update

2012-01-12 Thread Mark Jarvis

  
  

I dug out my spare video card and it has a
  DVI-I port so I think that I'll try that. 

I still don't know enough about this whole area,
  so if anyone has anything to share, it would be appreciated.
  
  Mark Jarvis


Mark Jarvis wrote:

  
  
  
If I understand what I've been reading about the DVI interface,
without the 4 pins around the horizontal bar, there's no analog
output in the plug--see diagram. The DVI-D ones--which is what I
have on one machine--do not have the analog signal.
  
  Quoting: "As well as digital signals, the
  DVI connector includes pins providing the same analog signals
  found on a VGA connector, allowing an analog VGA monitor to be
  connected with a passive plug adapter (or with a converter
  cable with VGA at one end, and DVI-A or DVI-I at the other).
  This feature was included in order to make DVI universal, as
  it allows either type of monitor (analog or digital) to be
  operated from the same connector.
   
  The DVI connector on a device is therefore
  given one of three names, depending on which signals it
  implements:
   
  
DVI-D (digital only, both
single-link and dual-link)
DVI-A (analog only)
DVI-I (integrated  digital and
analog)"
  
  One machine has both
DVI-I  VGA ports, the other only the DVI-D,. I'll
try to find a spare video card and see if that will help.
  
  Mark
  
  Stephen wrote:
  
I have dual link DVI output on my graphics card, and it worked fine
with the simple adapter.

I can look and see if i have a spare. 10 bux for that is ridiculous.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:


  I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and they
wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy one. I say
good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I don't think an
adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my new computer are
DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is digital only, I suspect
that attempting to run that signal through a VGA interface either would
require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be impossible.

It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more
expensive KVM with DVI ports.

Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI interface
will be gratefully accepted.

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis



Stephen wrote:

The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
but video is one area I have no expertise in.

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Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Mark Jarvis


My monitor has a 15 pin VGA port, as does the old computer so it looks 
like an adapter to connect my DVI cable from the new box to the KVM 
switch will make it work. Of course that brings up the question of what 
am I losing by not using DVI?


A quick Google check (which I should have done earlier) showed lots of 
adapters for just a few bucks, so I should be able to pick one up 
locally--which leads back to the what do I lose question.


Comments?

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis


Mark Jarvis wrote:


I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I 
thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater 
than what I'm running.


What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of 
the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a 
thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit 
with my computers?


I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the 
answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in.


Thanks in advance for any advice.


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Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Butash
It's essentially analog vs. digital - more bandwidth, less interference, 
no error detection/correction, etc.  Probably not an issue still if 
you're using *good* cables, but you just want to make sure no emi source 
near will cause picture issues - not/shouldn't be an issue with dvi.


Quick google found this:

DVI is the first digital standard and supports a dual link mode, which 
allows res up to 2048 x 1536 and beyond. The DVI specification supports 
hot plug and play display devices.


There are 3 main different configurations when it comes to DVI:
1. DVI-A is designed for analogue only connections
2. DVI-D is designed for digital signals only
3. DVI-I (Integrated) is a single connector which is designed for both 
digital and analogue use, and is backward compatible with analogue displays.


Most LCD monitors that support digital signal have DVD-D connectors.

The cables: DVI-I single link configuration provides bandwidth 
sufficient for res up to 1600 x 1200 and high speed transmission up to 
4.95Gbps.
DVI-I dual link config can do 2048 x 1536 @ 9.9Gbps, this is the same 
for a DVI-D dual link configuration.


-mb


On 01/11/2012 01:45 AM, Mark Jarvis wrote:


My monitor has a 15 pin VGA port, as does the old computer so it looks
like an adapter to connect my DVI cable from the new box to the KVM
switch will make it work. Of course that brings up the question of what
am I losing by not using DVI?

A quick Google check (which I should have done earlier) showed lots of
adapters for just a few bucks, so I should be able to pick one up
locally--which leads back to the what do I lose question.

Comments?

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis


Mark Jarvis wrote:


I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I
thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater
than what I'm running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of
the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a
thing as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit
with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the
answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.


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Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Stephen
The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote:

 I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
 was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
 running.

 What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
 computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
 DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

 I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
 but video is one area I have no expertise in.

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Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-11 Thread Eric Shubert

monoprice.com is the best source I've found for this sort of thing.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=104cp_id=10419
Prices are usually least expensive (have always been for me up to now), 
even including shipping. Quality has been good with everything I've 
bought there.

--
-Eric 'shubes'

On 01/11/2012 08:58 AM, Stephen wrote:

The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net  wrote:


I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
but video is one area I have no expertise in.

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Re: OT HDW question update

2012-01-11 Thread Mark Jarvis


I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I went by Fry's and 
they wanted $10 and up for an adapter. The good news is I didn't buy 
one. I say good news because I'm now learning a little about DVI  I 
don't think an adapter is going to fix the problem. The DVI ports on my 
new computer are DVI-D (Dual Link). Since apparently a DVI-D port is 
digital only, I suspect that attempting to run that signal through a VGA 
interface either would require a non-simple ( non-cheap) adapter or be 
impossible.


It looks like the KVM box is going back (more bad news)  I buy a more 
expensive KVM with DVI ports.


Any advice  comments by someone familiar with video and the DVI 
interface will be gratefully accepted.


Thanks,

Mark Jarvis



Stephen wrote:

The simple answer is yes, Most graphics cards come with them now, but
you can probably stop by frys and get one pretty cheap. cant image it
would be more than 5 bux.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvism.jar...@cox.net  wrote:

I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I thought I
was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater than what I'm
running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of the
computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing as a
DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the answer,
but video is one area I have no expertise in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: OT HDW question

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Butash
I have kind of an off-brand newegg special dvi kvm, and it literally has 
dvi ports on it - not sure why yours isn't other than you got taken.


So dvi can do backward compatibility with vga supplying it on separate 
pins, but you cannot use these on my dvi kvm - it doesn't have the pins 
or holes.  It was an inconvenience because it forced me to buy dvi-d 
cabling specifically.  If yours is vga, you can downgrade to it, but it 
is analog signalling.  Might not notice, but dvi-d digital isn't as 
subject to bad cables and lack of shielding.  Best to stay with dvi-d if 
your lcd uses it (should say dvi-d on the port).


I'd say send it back and be sure to look at the pictures when you buy 
it.  I saw some shenanigans like that when I was looking for one too - 
creative marketing saying compatible, come up in a search, but really 
had vga.  Sounds like the same thing honestly, you should complain.  I 
did not want to downgrade to vga signalling with large-res lcd's, but I 
probably couldn't tell you I'd honestly notice a difference either.


-mb


On 01/10/2012 11:16 PM, Mark Jarvis wrote:


I just ordered  received a TRENDnet 2-port USB KVM switch kit. I
thought I was OK on the video because its rated resolution is greater
than what I'm running.

What's the problem? It appears to only have VGA video ports and one of
the computers I be hooking up to it has only DVI. Is there such a thing
as a DVI-to-VGA adapter? Will I have problems using this unit with my
computers?

I'm sure that the solution is simple,  I probably should know the
answer, but video is one area I have no expertise in.

Thanks in advance for any advice.


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