Re: Protools busy and interacting?
I believe with PT 9.05 or 9.06 PT has been supported on lion. Are you guys that are having issues running the latest version of PT or are you still on 9.0 or9.0.3? I am running lion 10.7.3 on both my macs and have no issues with my PT 9.0.5 or PT 10 installs. I am however running the Non HD version so your milage may vary, but if you are having issues, may be time to update to a later version if available. On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Brian Casey brian_w_ca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi John, I'm no PT expert, but have been on this list getting a feel for how its accessability is going and just want to say that Slau is always trying to be as helpful as possible with people on this list, and perhaps he came across the wrong way to you. He also generally knows what he's talking about and is a great engineer, and from what I gather having only known about him through this list and his own podcasts he's been using ProTools for quite a while and has been working with digital audio since the days when ProTools could only dream of being an industry standard. Part of the challenge with making the jump to PT 8 and Voice Over is remaining patient and making what you can of the up to date reference manuals etc, and then only when there are few other options, relying on the kindness of the list community to help answer questions and address problems, which is probably why I haven't yet made the jump to PT. On an entirely separate note, or getting back on topic actually, perhaps your problems with Voice Over and ProTools are related to the fact that your using Lion on the mac? As far as I know, Avid are often very slow to recommend upgrading to the latest version of the Apple opporating systems, so maybe that could be worth keeping in mind. That said, I used ProTools briefly last year and it did often get stuck reporting it was busy. I didn't know enough to begin to figure why it was doing it though. Hope that all helps and Slau, I don't mean to speak for you or come across as having a stalker like knowledge of you, but I think this list has a good atmosphere and I'd hate to see any misunderstanding develop. Brian. From: John Boral abas...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:06 PM To: Pro Tools Accessibility ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Protools busy and interacting? Slau, as I do very much appreciate the fact that you're being very helpful I do think you need some etiquette lessons. From the beginning I stated I've only had PT and VO for three weeks so it should be quite obvious that I have very little understanding which is why I joined this group. I believe had your explanation been more clear rather than saying you've had PT since version 5 and don't know about scrubbing and simply addressing my problem would show quite a bit more refined couth on your part. I understood this group was for helping new comers rather than tactfully condescending members. Someone like Chris who is admittedly also new to PT seems to have a better understanding of how to explain concepts and someone like Chuck who seems to have been with this for a while doesn't say things like, I don't know what your level of understanding is which again, could be taken very condescendingly.I'd appreciate you taking an extra minute and rereading a post because your answer wasn't even correct. When I had to further explain to you that scrubbing and selecting were different in PT 5 you then posted things had changed in 7.4. Had you read my original post throughout the first time we could have avoided 2 other posts on here. My level of understanding in PT 5 got me 2 grammy nominees and touring with one of the most famous bands in Canada. I don't know your age but I believe I'm older than you and have been using Digidesign products since the mid 80's and my level of understanding was apparently good enough whereby they even had changed a part about nudging in the manual back in the 90's when I brought it up to the attention of the engineers. I really don't want to make this a who's better than who war so again, I've never boasted about what I do on here and very clearly said I was new to anything after PT 5 and Outspoken from the beginning. I'm sure I was one of the very first blind users of Digidesign products from the 2 track version of Sound Designer to the 4 track version of Soundtools and so on. I could go on and on and tell you who the very first Digi engineer was and I had home phone numbers when the company had only 2 engineers and 1 product out. I've been trying to change with the times but got stuck in PT 5 and all I'm doing now is trying to do is as you stated, keep up with appearances but I don't believe anybody feels the need to be tested on their knowledge of PT in this group.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
I'm not sure if it's appropriate for you, but my quickest way to find out what track I'm on, is to use a combination of control ; and control p, mixed with shift s. That way, I can quickly go down the list of tracks, and solo each one as I go. HTH, Take care, Chris Norman Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com Feel free to follow my music, either by following @cnproject on Twitter (www.twitter.com/cnproject), or by liking my Facebook page at www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject. On 1 Mar 2012, at 00:53, John Boral wrote: Hey all, thanks so much for the great replies. Slau, no, I can't use a control surface in a live club situation. These are large venues 5000 + people and usually 5 engineers. I'm required to be quick while bands are setting up which is why my posts keep talking about doing things in a fast way. I'm trying not to interact as much as I can so I can quickly move through tracks and select them. Chuck's idea is the one I'd love but it's not working for me. Chuck, I had my GF resize the window many different ways but unfortunately VO is not catching your selection idea. Again, it seems however the window is resized when I press VO space on a track it just beeps. Slau, I'm not sure what you mean about scrubbing through a track but I can't use a control surface until I'm home and then I can use a motor mix which I hope someone out there can let me know if that will do the job. It worked great in PT 5. Gord and Chris, the Protools is busy message is totally nuts. It doesn't stop until I actually force quit and restart the machine. I did try turning VO on and off but nothing. I have 2 machines, 1 with Lion 7.2 and 1 with SL 6.8. They are both new 8 and 12 core machines and the same behavior with everything happens on both. I'm using PT HD9 in case anyone thinks that could be giving me trouble. Lots of ppl talk about making sure the mouse is routed correctly but when I have someone look at where my cursor is many times it's nowhere near where it should be. For example, when I'm in a track list VO is reading stuff to me that the mouse is not even close to. I do rout the mouse to VO and tried VO to mouse but it seems many locations don't move together. I've tried multiple ways of cursor tracking on and off and it's also not all of the time. Our ideas here seem to be that VO goes out of a window sometimes while interacting and the mouse isn't able to get to it.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Slau, as I do very much appreciate the fact that you're being very helpful I do think you need some etiquette lessons. From the beginning I stated I've only had PT and VO for three weeks so it should be quite obvious that I have very little understanding which is why I joined this group. I believe had your explanation been more clear rather than saying you've had PT since version 5 and don't know about scrubbing and simply addressing my problem would show quite a bit more refined couth on your part. I understood this group was for helping new comers rather than tactfully condescending members. Someone like Chris who is admittedly also new to PT seems to have a better understanding of how to explain concepts and someone like Chuck who seems to have been with this for a while doesn't say things like, I don't know what your level of understanding is which again, could be taken very condescendingly.I'd appreciate you taking an extra minute and rereading a post because your answer wasn't even correct. When I had to further explain to you that scrubbing and selecting were different in PT 5 you then posted things had changed in 7.4. Had you read my original post throughout the first time we could have avoided 2 other posts on here. My level of understanding in PT 5 got me 2 grammy nominees and touring with one of the most famous bands in Canada. I don't know your age but I believe I'm older than you and have been using Digidesign products since the mid 80's and my level of understanding was apparently good enough whereby they even had changed a part about nudging in the manual back in the 90's when I brought it up to the attention of the engineers. I really don't want to make this a who's better than who war so again, I've never boasted about what I do on here and very clearly said I was new to anything after PT 5 and Outspoken from the beginning. I'm sure I was one of the very first blind users of Digidesign products from the 2 track version of Sound Designer to the 4 track version of Soundtools and so on. I could go on and on and tell you who the very first Digi engineer was and I had home phone numbers when the company had only 2 engineers and 1 product out. I've been trying to change with the times but got stuck in PT 5 and all I'm doing now is trying to do is as you stated, keep up with appearances but I don't believe anybody feels the need to be tested on their knowledge of PT in this group.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hi John, I'm no PT expert, but have been on this list getting a feel for how its accessability is going and just want to say that Slau is always trying to be as helpful as possible with people on this list, and perhaps he came across the wrong way to you. He also generally knows what he's talking about and is a great engineer, and from what I gather having only known about him through this list and his own podcasts he's been using ProTools for quite a while and has been working with digital audio since the days when ProTools could only dream of being an industry standard. Part of the challenge with making the jump to PT 8 and Voice Over is remaining patient and making what you can of the up to date reference manuals etc, and then only when there are few other options, relying on the kindness of the list community to help answer questions and address problems, which is probably why I haven't yet made the jump to PT. On an entirely separate note, or getting back on topic actually, perhaps your problems with Voice Over and ProTools are related to the fact that your using Lion on the mac? As far as I know, Avid are often very slow to recommend upgrading to the latest version of the Apple opporating systems, so maybe that could be worth keeping in mind. That said, I used ProTools briefly last year and it did often get stuck reporting it was busy. I didn't know enough to begin to figure why it was doing it though. Hope that all helps and Slau, I don't mean to speak for you or come across as having a stalker like knowledge of you, but I think this list has a good atmosphere and I'd hate to see any misunderstanding develop. Brian. From: John Boral abas...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:06 PM To: Pro Tools Accessibility ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Protools busy and interacting? Slau, as I do very much appreciate the fact that you're being very helpful I do think you need some etiquette lessons. From the beginning I stated I've only had PT and VO for three weeks so it should be quite obvious that I have very little understanding which is why I joined this group. I believe had your explanation been more clear rather than saying you've had PT since version 5 and don't know about scrubbing and simply addressing my problem would show quite a bit more refined couth on your part. I understood this group was for helping new comers rather than tactfully condescending members. Someone like Chris who is admittedly also new to PT seems to have a better understanding of how to explain concepts and someone like Chuck who seems to have been with this for a while doesn't say things like, I don't know what your level of understanding is which again, could be taken very condescendingly.I'd appreciate you taking an extra minute and rereading a post because your answer wasn't even correct. When I had to further explain to you that scrubbing and selecting were different in PT 5 you then posted things had changed in 7.4. Had you read my original post throughout the first time we could have avoided 2 other posts on here. My level of understanding in PT 5 got me 2 grammy nominees and touring with one of the most famous bands in Canada. I don't know your age but I believe I'm older than you and have been using Digidesign products since the mid 80's and my level of understanding was apparently good enough whereby they even had changed a part about nudging in the manual back in the 90's when I brought it up to the attention of the engineers. I really don't want to make this a who's better than who war so again, I've never boasted about what I do on here and very clearly said I was new to anything after PT 5 and Outspoken from the beginning. I'm sure I was one of the very first blind users of Digidesign products from the 2 track version of Sound Designer to the 4 track version of Soundtools and so on. I could go on and on and tell you who the very first Digi engineer was and I had home phone numbers when the company had only 2 engineers and 1 product out. I've been trying to change with the times but got stuck in PT 5 and all I'm doing now is trying to do is as you stated, keep up with appearances but I don't believe anybody feels the need to be tested on their knowledge of PT in this group.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Slau, since apparently I don't get your humor nor do you seem to bother going through posts please do a find on where I said, I do have both link scroll and edit checked in options. I honestly don't know where this whole scrubbing thing came up on your part, you saidHang on, John, you don't know what I mean by scrubbing in a track? Have you never scrubbed audio in Pro Tools?? I had never mentioned scrubbing before you brought it up. You assumed that I assumed you didn't know what the difference between scrubbing and selection is but I was pointing that out to clear it up. That's a lot of assumption going back and forth. With all of that assumption, why didn't you assume when one would first set up PT as a blind user, one would go through all of the menus and linking of insertion and track selection would be checked rather than the negativity of assuming that the person is inexperienced. Do you know there are 26 posts on this and you still never answered my question back in post #2 about is it possible to select tracks for editing without interacting? You gave every answer about interacting possibilities but never addressed my actual question. I even stated Chuck's way and asking if that worked. You seemed to avoid it and wanted to focus on the subject of scrubbing which was never even mentioned in my original post and was actually brought up by you. The closest you came to answering was the statementAgain, you don't have to interact necessarilyfirst you said again but that meant nothing in the context of the phrase, there's no reference to again. Then you went on to say you don't have to interact necessarily what does that grammatically even mean as an explanation? The very simple statement of yes, Chuck's way works or does not would have saved another 3 posts. As for couth, wrong again... Since this time I will assume you won't bother clicking on a link I'll provide it here for you. Couth: showing or having good manners or sophistication; Word History: From as far back as the 16th century and entered webster's dictionary in 1913. Today's Good Word started out as an independent word, became a negative orphan, then was revived by 'back derivation' (removing the un-) fairly recently. It was originally the past participle of can which in Old and Middle English meant know when used as an independent verb (not the auxiliary can : could). Kith, as in 'kith and kin', is a variant of couth and like today's word originally meant (those) known. In the 16th-18th centuries the meaning of uncouth changed to what it is today and couth was left behind. Then, at the end of the 19th century, writers began to resurrect couth as a word with the opposite meaning of uncouth, first facetiously but more recently quite seriously. Today it remains a social part of the English language. I'm sure you may want to debate that with the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. I'd sincerely like to thank all of the members that have helped out in this group but if there are members trying to correct grammar of which they can't even take a second to check up on or bother reading posts throughout and addressing the subject at hand without making it their own, I can't be part of that. I think everyone needs to remember each user has specific needs and just as there is a radio person on here, a live user, studio engineers, musicians etc, I believe a crass attitude and sarcasm can only create more personal faults for that individual. Best of luck to all.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hiya mate, I get Pro Tools busy quite a lot as well, are you using Lion? I am, and I'm not sure the support is really there. Not sure if that's fixed in PT 10 or not, but I have to treat it a bit gently at the minute. I don't know as you can do what you wanted to do with moving up and down the tracks, but what you can do (I believe), is record safe all tracks. Not sure if I've got the wrong end of the stick or what, but I thought that disarmed all tracks. A quick test mind you, is to hit record, if you have any tracks armed, it'll go to record. If none of them are, it'll error, telling you that no tracks are record-enabled. I know it's not much, but it's useful 3/10 times LOL. Hope this helps, and sorry I can't help more. Still pretty new to this stuff myself. HTH. Take care, Chris Norman Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com Feel free to follow my music, either by following @cnproject on Twitter (www.twitter.com/cnproject), or by liking my Facebook page at www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject. On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, John Boral wrote: Thanks Chuck, I'll try the gray bar tonight. Can you tell me if you've ever gotten a Protools Busy message that doesn't stop unless you force quit? I'm getting it often lately. Also, maybe you can help with 2 other things, #1 I frequently get apple menu is under the mouse no matter how things are routed. I believe it's because the VO cursor is in a place that the mouse can't follow. What are the proper commands to fit everything on the screen, somebody talked about a scroll in to view, is that it? #2 Is there something quick that can let you see 1 aspect of many tracks, for example, any way of knowing the status of solo, mute, record, read, write, latch, touch as you move up and down? Like if you have 24 tracks just hitting down arrow in the automation field and hearing off, off, off, read, read, latch, touch etc. Or scrolling down a part that would say, the track name and record on or record off as you go through each track. The way I'm doing it now is interacting with each track and I have to go through each column 1 by 1 to hear the state of where things are.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hiya. I don't think the mouse can route if you're inside of a table, it may route to the table it's self. HTH. Take care, Chris Norman Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com Feel free to follow my music, either by following @cnproject on Twitter (www.twitter.com/cnproject), or by liking my Facebook page at www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject. On 29 Feb 2012, at 01:18, John Boral wrote: Hi Stephen yes, I'm doing exactly that but the mouse doesn't move a majority of the time. Mostly when I'm interacting with something like a tracklist or somewhere far in to a window. I think it's because VO is saying where I am but it must be off of the screen for themouse to get to it. That's why I believe it always says apple menu under the mouse. It does work some times so I know it's working it's just that more times than not it doesn't work. Can you tell me the command for scroll in to view and maybe resizing the window all of the way if you think that will help?
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Sometimes turning Vo off (command f5) and then back on again will clear it up when an ap keeps saying “busy.” Gord From: Chris Norman Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:44 AM To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Protools busy and interacting? Hiya mate, I get Pro Tools busy quite a lot as well, are you using Lion? I am, and I'm not sure the support is really there. Not sure if that's fixed in PT 10 or not, but I have to treat it a bit gently at the minute. I don't know as you can do what you wanted to do with moving up and down the tracks, but what you can do (I believe), is record safe all tracks. Not sure if I've got the wrong end of the stick or what, but I thought that disarmed all tracks. A quick test mind you, is to hit record, if you have any tracks armed, it'll go to record. If none of them are, it'll error, telling you that no tracks are record-enabled. I know it's not much, but it's useful 3/10 times LOL. Hope this helps, and sorry I can't help more. Still pretty new to this stuff myself. HTH. Take care, Chris Norman Email and MSN: chris.norm...@googlemail.com Feel free to follow my music, either by following @cnproject on Twitter (www.twitter.com/cnproject), or by liking my Facebook page at www.facebook.com/thechrisnormanproject. On 29 Feb 2012, at 00:34, John Boral wrote: Thanks Chuck, I'll try the gray bar tonight. Can you tell me if you've ever gotten a Protools Busy message that doesn't stop unless you force quit? I'm getting it often lately. Also, maybe you can help with 2 other things, #1 I frequently get apple menu is under the mouse no matter how things are routed. I believe it's because the VO cursor is in a place that the mouse can't follow. What are the proper commands to fit everything on the screen, somebody talked about a scroll in to view, is that it? #2 Is there something quick that can let you see 1 aspect of many tracks, for example, any way of knowing the status of solo, mute, record, read, write, latch, touch as you move up and down? Like if you have 24 tracks just hitting down arrow in the automation field and hearing off, off, off, read, read, latch, touch etc. Or scrolling down a part that would say, the track name and record on or record off as you go through each track. The way I'm doing it now is interacting with each track and I have to go through each column 1 by 1 to hear the state of where things are.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hi John, On Feb 28, 2012, at 4:03 PM, John Boral wrote: In outspoken what I was used to was in the small view, the #1 key would find a track such as Kick, then when it landed on kick just go to the right twice with 6 and highlight anywhere in the track. You could also go after the M for mute and count 6 clicks with option #6 for midi with the selector tool. That would work every time really quickly. John, Are you using a control surface? I don't understand why you're clicking to create an insertion point. Scrubbing anywhere will automatically do this. Further, if insertion is following track selection, it's even faster. John writes: The item chooser is giving me 741 items which is too much for me to handle right now. John, You can narrow the list by typing the first few letters of what you're looking for. For example, typing r e c will bring up all of the record buttons. If you're just looking for bass, type b a s and you'll likely have only one or two results. John writes: So for editing, what's the best way of finding a track name and selecting an entire track of audio quickly? Is there a way without the interacting? John, Again, you don't have to interact necessarily. However, for a fool-proof way, hide all tracks, interact with the tracks list, move to the track, bring up the contextual menu and select show and Make active. Your insertion point will be in the track and you can edit. If you prefer, you can instead use the item chooser, narrow the search for the track and perform the same actions with the contextual menu. John writes: Lastly, does the VO hotspots act anything like the Outspoken mark and quickmark feature as where you can mark any position on the screen at all? If so, couldn't we use that for parts of VO that are not accessible? John, In a way, it does work but there are only 10 location slots to use so it's not like outsPOKEN's screen markers. You mentioned QuicKeys. That'll do a much better job of marking screen or window positions. HTH, Slau
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hey all, thanks so much for the great replies. Slau, no, I can't use a control surface in a live club situation. These are large venues 5000 + people and usually 5 engineers. I'm required to be quick while bands are setting up which is why my posts keep talking about doing things in a fast way. I'm trying not to interact as much as I can so I can quickly move through tracks and select them. Chuck's idea is the one I'd love but it's not working for me. Chuck, I had my GF resize the window many different ways but unfortunately VO is not catching your selection idea. Again, it seems however the window is resized when I press VO space on a track it just beeps. Slau, I'm not sure what you mean about scrubbing through a track but I can't use a control surface until I'm home and then I can use a motor mix which I hope someone out there can let me know if that will do the job. It worked great in PT 5. Gord and Chris, the Protools is busy message is totally nuts. It doesn't stop until I actually force quit and restart the machine. I did try turning VO on and off but nothing. I have 2 machines, 1 with Lion 7.2 and 1 with SL 6.8. They are both new 8 and 12 core machines and the same behavior with everything happens on both. I'm using PT HD9 in case anyone thinks that could be giving me trouble. Lots of ppl talk about making sure the mouse is routed correctly but when I have someone look at where my cursor is many times it's nowhere near where it should be. For example, when I'm in a track list VO is reading stuff to me that the mouse is not even close to. I do rout the mouse to VO and tried VO to mouse but it seems many locations don't move together. I've tried multiple ways of cursor tracking on and off and it's also not all of the time. Our ideas here seem to be that VO goes out of a window sometimes while interacting and the mouse isn't able to get to it.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
John, Once again, if you're using Pro Tools HD, use Shuttle Mode under the numeric keypad options in the Preference window and you'll be able to quickly scrub audio with the num pad, make a selection and edit on the fly. Slau On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:53 PM, John Boral wrote: Hey all, thanks so much for the great replies. Slau, no, I can't use a control surface in a live club situation. These are large venues 5000 + people and usually 5 engineers. I'm required to be quick while bands are setting up which is why my posts keep talking about doing things in a fast way. I'm trying not to interact as much as I can so I can quickly move through tracks and select them. Chuck's idea is the one I'd love but it's not working for me. Chuck, I had my GF resize the window many different ways but unfortunately VO is not catching your selection idea. Again, it seems however the window is resized when I press VO space on a track it just beeps. Slau, I'm not sure what you mean about scrubbing through a track but I can't use a control surface until I'm home and then I can use a motor mix which I hope someone out there can let me know if that will do the job. It worked great in PT 5. Gord and Chris, the Protools is busy message is totally nuts. It doesn't stop until I actually force quit and restart the machine. I did try turning VO on and off but nothing. I have 2 machines, 1 with Lion 7.2 and 1 with SL 6.8. They are both new 8 and 12 core machines and the same behavior with everything happens on both. I'm using PT HD9 in case anyone thinks that could be giving me trouble. Lots of ppl talk about making sure the mouse is routed correctly but when I have someone look at where my cursor is many times it's nowhere near where it should be. For example, when I'm in a track list VO is reading stuff to me that the mouse is not even close to. I do rout the mouse to VO and tried VO to mouse but it seems many locations don't move together. I've tried multiple ways of cursor tracking on and off and it's also not all of the time. Our ideas here seem to be that VO goes out of a window sometimes while interacting and the mouse isn't able to get to it.
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Hang on, John, you don't know what I mean by scrubbing in a track? Have you never scrubbed audio in Pro Tools? Slau On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:53 PM, John Boral wrote: Hey all, thanks so much for the great replies. Slau, no, I can't use a control surface in a live club situation. These are large venues 5000 + people and usually 5 engineers. I'm required to be quick while bands are setting up which is why my posts keep talking about doing things in a fast way. I'm trying not to interact as much as I can so I can quickly move through tracks and select them. Chuck's idea is the one I'd love but it's not working for me. Chuck, I had my GF resize the window many different ways but unfortunately VO is not catching your selection idea. Again, it seems however the window is resized when I press VO space on a track it just beeps. Slau, I'm not sure what you mean about scrubbing through a track but I can't use a control surface until I'm home and then I can use a motor mix which I hope someone out there can let me know if that will do the job. It worked great in PT 5. Gord and Chris, the Protools is busy message is totally nuts. It doesn't stop until I actually force quit and restart the machine. I did try turning VO on and off but nothing. I have 2 machines, 1 with Lion 7.2 and 1 with SL 6.8. They are both new 8 and 12 core machines and the same behavior with everything happens on both. I'm using PT HD9 in case anyone thinks that could be giving me trouble. Lots of ppl talk about making sure the mouse is routed correctly but when I have someone look at where my cursor is many times it's nowhere near where it should be. For example, when I'm in a track list VO is reading stuff to me that the mouse is not even close to. I do rout the mouse to VO and tried VO to mouse but it seems many locations don't move together. I've tried multiple ways of cursor tracking on and off and it's also not all of the time. Our ideas here seem to be that VO goes out of a window sometimes while interacting and the mouse isn't able to get to it.
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Hi John, Give a call tomorrow if you want and we'll walk through some of the stuff faster. I am on the east coast of the USA CHUCK REICHEL 954-742-0019 www.SoundPictureRecording.com In GOD I Trust Talk soon On Feb 29, 2012, at 7:53 PM, John Boral wrote: Hey all, thanks so much for the great replies. Slau, no, I can't use a control surface in a live club situation. These are large venues 5000 + people and usually 5 engineers. I'm required to be quick while bands are setting up which is why my posts keep talking about doing things in a fast way. I'm trying not to interact as much as I can so I can quickly move through tracks and select them. Chuck's idea is the one I'd love but it's not working for me. Chuck, I had my GF resize the window many different ways but unfortunately VO is not catching your selection idea. Again, it seems however the window is resized when I press VO space on a track it just beeps. Slau, I'm not sure what you mean about scrubbing through a track but I can't use a control surface until I'm home and then I can use a motor mix which I hope someone out there can let me know if that will do the job. It worked great in PT 5. Gord and Chris, the Protools is busy message is totally nuts. It doesn't stop until I actually force quit and restart the machine. I did try turning VO on and off but nothing. I have 2 machines, 1 with Lion 7.2 and 1 with SL 6.8. They are both new 8 and 12 core machines and the same behavior with everything happens on both. I'm using PT HD9 in case anyone thinks that could be giving me trouble. Lots of ppl talk about making sure the mouse is routed correctly but when I have someone look at where my cursor is many times it's nowhere near where it should be. For example, when I'm in a track list VO is reading stuff to me that the mouse is not even close to. I do rout the mouse to VO and tried VO to mouse but it seems many locations don't move together. I've tried multiple ways of cursor tracking on and off and it's also not all of the time. Our ideas here seem to be that VO goes out of a window sometimes while interacting and the mouse isn't able to get to it.
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Chuck, that sounds great, I can call you tomorrow if you're around at some point. Slau, I think we're talking about to different things. Scrubbing is where you're listening to audio and moving back and forth similar to what an old tape machine did years ago when you would stop the tape and rock it back and forth. Selecting all of the audio on a track including every region means you have to select the track first and command A in order to highlight everything. If you were to just scrub without selecting anything your song would be scrubbing without you selecting any audio to be edited. Unless this version of PT is that different where you're telling me it doesn't work that way? I don't know if that's the case because remember I've only been using PT HD9 for 3 weeks and I'm also trying to grasp VO and all of the differences between PT 5, Outspoken, VO and PT 9. Can you clear up the selection idea you had? I'm confused because it seems like in your plan of interacting with a track and then hitting VO M etc it sounds like it's sort of interacting twice to select a track for editing. If Chuck's way works that would mean we'd be back to the old way of PT 5 and just selecting a track without the extra steps involved.
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John, Yes, in version 5, scrubbing and selecting were two different things. However, that's different since version 7.4. I and others have mentioned the option to have the insertion point follow track selection. It's under the Options menu. With this option checked, anywhere you scrub, that is, within any track, that track will then automatically be selected. Once you've done this, it's a simple matter of using the standard Pro Tools editing commands to do whatever you'd like. I'm not sure what your level of understanding is regarding Pro Tools. This kind of stuff is fairly straightforward and not too complicated. Maybe you'll need to go through the reference guide to brush up on some stuff and perhaps learn what's new in Pro Tools since version 5. Cheers, Slau I trust in reality. On Feb 29, 2012, at 8:32 PM, John Boral wrote: Chuck, that sounds great, I can call you tomorrow if you're around at some point. Slau, I think we're talking about to different things. Scrubbing is where you're listening to audio and moving back and forth similar to what an old tape machine did years ago when you would stop the tape and rock it back and forth. Selecting all of the audio on a track including every region means you have to select the track first and command A in order to highlight everything. If you were to just scrub without selecting anything your song would be scrubbing without you selecting any audio to be edited. Unless this version of PT is that different where you're telling me it doesn't work that way? I don't know if that's the case because remember I've only been using PT HD9 for 3 weeks and I'm also trying to grasp VO and all of the differences between PT 5, Outspoken, VO and PT 9. Can you clear up the selection idea you had? I'm confused because it seems like in your plan of interacting with a track and then hitting VO M etc it sounds like it's sort of interacting twice to select a track for editing. If Chuck's way works that would mean we'd be back to the old way of PT 5 and just selecting a track without the extra steps involved.
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hi John, You half to resize your Track List Table At this point you need sighted assistance but after you drag the Track List Table over to the right about 30 % every thing works. Just like Outspoken! ;) I work from several templates with this done and wow is it quick! :) Chuck On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM, John Boral wrote: Hey all, I just read something that said you don't have to interact in order to select tracks. That's not working for me in PT HD9. If I use VO space on a track in either the mix or edit window I get nothing but the error beep. I can select tracks by interacting but it does take much longer. I do have both link edit and scroll checked in options. The biggest problem now is PT saying Protools busy and never stopping. Usually when I get to around 20 or 30 minutes of using PT it says Protools busy and won't stop. I have to force quit and restart the entire machine to get it back.
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Hi Slau, yes, the control P is cool for moving back or forth but I'm trying to get to all different tracks quickly which aren't in order and select them. I know option command f will let you type the track # but I like to go by name. In a live situation where you're not familiar with the band's stuff it's common for another engineer in a club to throw track names at you which are mostly generic, kick, snare etc. So, as you know with PT 5 we could quickly find a track name using outspoken #1 and select it. I read in this group that you could just VO space on the track without interacting but that's not working for me. Is the VO find option like the outspoken find? Also, any ideas on the busy part where it says Protools busy until you have to force quit? In live venues I can't use a control desk but I have a motor mix I'm hoping to use in a private setting. Do you know if that works well with this new setup?
Re: Protools busy and interacting?
Hi John, even with version 5 and outSPOKEN, you have to move the insertion point in order to edit. You might find the Item Chooser helpful. Control-Option-i brings up a list of items that you can narrow by typing the first few letters of what you're looking for. If you get into large sessions, it can take a few seconds to compile a list of hundreds of items but, usually it's quick enough. If you're just editing, you can choose to hide unnecessary items under the Display menu and that should speed things up a bit. I've never had trouble with Pro Tools being busy. HTH, Slau On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:23 PM, John Boral wrote: Hi Slau, yes, the control P is cool for moving back or forth but I'm trying to get to all different tracks quickly which aren't in order and select them. I know option command f will let you type the track # but I like to go by name. In a live situation where you're not familiar with the band's stuff it's common for another engineer in a club to throw track names at you which are mostly generic, kick, snare etc. So, as you know with PT 5 we could quickly find a track name using outspoken #1 and select it. I read in this group that you could just VO space on the track without interacting but that's not working for me. Is the VO find option like the outspoken find? Also, any ideas on the busy part where it says Protools busy until you have to force quit? In live venues I can't use a control desk but I have a motor mix I'm hoping to use in a private setting. Do you know if that works well with this new setup?
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Thanks Chuck, I'll try the gray bar tonight. Can you tell me if you've ever gotten a Protools Busy message that doesn't stop unless you force quit? I'm getting it often lately. Also, maybe you can help with 2 other things, #1 I frequently get apple menu is under the mouse no matter how things are routed. I believe it's because the VO cursor is in a place that the mouse can't follow. What are the proper commands to fit everything on the screen, somebody talked about a scroll in to view, is that it? #2 Is there something quick that can let you see 1 aspect of many tracks, for example, any way of knowing the status of solo, mute, record, read, write, latch, touch as you move up and down? Like if you have 24 tracks just hitting down arrow in the automation field and hearing off, off, off, read, read, latch, touch etc. Or scrolling down a part that would say, the track name and record on or record off as you go through each track. The way I'm doing it now is interacting with each track and I have to go through each column 1 by 1 to hear the state of where things are.
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Hello, When u use the keyboard to put the cursor where u want it. Do VO+Command+F5 to move the mouse to where the VO cursor is. VO+F5 will comfirm if the mouse has been moved there. theyn you should be able to VO+shift+space to do a mouse click with the keyboard, or in the case of the solo safe press and hold command on the keyboard and click with athe real mouse. Unfortunately VO doesn't recognize modifier keys being pressed with the keyboard mouse click. This is why you can't just do VO+command+shift+space to solo safe with the keyboard. Hope that helps and wasn't too confusing. Oh and yes scrool into view can help if the a above tip isn't working as well. On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, John Boral wrote: Thanks Chuck, I'll try the gray bar tonight. Can you tell me if you've ever gotten a Protools Busy message that doesn't stop unless you force quit? I'm getting it often lately. Also, maybe you can help with 2 other things, #1 I frequently get apple menu is under the mouse no matter how things are routed. I believe it's because the VO cursor is in a place that the mouse can't follow. What are the proper commands to fit everything on the screen, somebody talked about a scroll in to view, is that it? #2 Is there something quick that can let you see 1 aspect of many tracks, for example, any way of knowing the status of solo, mute, record, read, write, latch, touch as you move up and down? Like if you have 24 tracks just hitting down arrow in the automation field and hearing off, off, off, read, read, latch, touch etc. Or scrolling down a part that would say, the track name and record on or record off as you go through each track. The way I'm doing it now is interacting with each track and I have to go through each column 1 by 1 to hear the state of where things are.
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Right click on the track in teh rack list table or VO+shift+M and arrow down to scroll into view and vo+space on it On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, John Boral wrote: Hi Stephen yes, I'm doing exactly that but the mouse doesn't move a majority of the time. Mostly when I'm interacting with something like a tracklist or somewhere far in to a window. I think it's because VO is saying where I am but it must be off of the screen for themouse to get to it. That's why I believe it always says apple menu under the mouse. It does work some times so I know it's working it's just that more times than not it doesn't work. Can you tell me the command for scroll in to view and maybe resizing the window all of the way if you think that will help?
