Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
thanks for the updated info. At 01:14 PM 7/13/2014, you wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Why not go with ePub? There are accessible means of reading it on all platforms are there not?? On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
That's what I went with in the end, but other providers provide the books in various formats which just makes life that bit easier for me; though not necessarily for everyone I realise that. On 13 Jul 2014, at 18:32, TheOreoMonster monkeypushe...@gmail.com wrote: Why not go with ePub? There are accessible means of reading it on all platforms are there not?? On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Just changed the subject to reflect the thread more. Yes I know, pedant alert! I've looked into some of the books Chris recommended (and indeed thanks for doing so). It seems the second edition of the Roey Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but instead the samples are downloadable. Focal press do have eBook versions available. However, you need to choose the format you need/want. This is a pain actually as there are times for me when EPUB is preferable, whilst at others and on a different device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of this publisher. Anyway the point here is that you no longer need to buy the print book to get the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet. Hope this helps someone, Dónal On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman chris.norm...@googlemail.com wrote: Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Thanks very much Slau, Just found it. Dónal On 13 Jul 2014, at 19:09, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Books on various topics (was: Well, I was wrong.
Another good one I have on my Learning Ally bookshelf is Sound and Recording by Francis Rumsey. The edition I've read is the 6th edition, though I'm not sure if there's a more up-to-date one. Again (possibly for slau) that Modern Recording Techniques is now in the 8th edition. Cheers, Dónal On 13 Jul 2014, at 19:09, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: One of the texts we used at Five Towns College as far back as the early 90s was Modern Recording Techniques by david Miles Huber. It's at least in its seventh edition and has always been available from RFBD for its members. It covers an enormous range of material. It's not light reading, of course, and for anybody who wishes to truly reap its benefits, I'd recommend reading it very slowly and really understand the concepts that lie within. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Might I ask who that member would be? Just am curious. Not that it really matters. LOL! I'll definitely look into it. Chris. - Original Message - From: TheOreoMonster monkeypushe...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. And while not a technical book on recording, mixing and etc, The Daily Adventure of mixer man is worth the read from an entertainment stand point that also happens to have little audio nuggets in there. And if you get the Audio book a certain member of this mailing list makes a cameo. On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and scanned the other two. For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave wide. At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio format anywhere? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly
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Slau of course. On 12/07/2014, at 10:37 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Might I ask who that member would be? Just am curious. Not that it really matters. LOL! I'll definitely look into it. Chris. - Original Message - From: TheOreoMonster monkeypushe...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. And while not a technical book on recording, mixing and etc, The Daily Adventure of mixer man is worth the read from an entertainment stand point that also happens to have little audio nuggets in there. And if you get the Audio book a certain member of this mailing list makes a cameo. On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and scanned the other two. For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave wide. At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio format anywhere? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever
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Aa, gotcha. Yeah, well, like I said, I'll definitely look into it. Chris. - Original Message - From: Brian Casey Music briancaseymu...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Slau of course. On 12/07/2014, at 10:37 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Might I ask who that member would be? Just am curious. Not that it really matters. LOL! I'll definitely look into it. Chris. - Original Message - From: TheOreoMonster monkeypushe...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. And while not a technical book on recording, mixing and etc, The Daily Adventure of mixer man is worth the read from an entertainment stand point that also happens to have little audio nuggets in there. And if you get the Audio book a certain member of this mailing list makes a cameo. On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and scanned the other two. For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave wide. At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio format anywhere? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people
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You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly. You wrote: It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to research more thoroughly? You wrote: The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that teach audio engineering and production. OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools... You wrote: Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a long time. Understandable. You wrote: Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4 dB FS. For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS, what do you mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels here. Then again, nmaybe not? Secondly, let me go back to my initial point. If indeed this is not ProTools related, and please know, this isn't in any way meant to challenge you nor to be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to understand your point from the bigger picture. So, keep that in mind when reading what I'm about to ask. If PT has nothing to do with it, which by the way, I'm in agreement with you on at this point in time until proven otherwise, then explain this to me... Why then is PT 10 with Voiceover showing me something totally different than PT 11, when my settings are absolutely 100% identical on both versions, I'm running both on the same mac computer, so it's not like I'm on a different workstation, same hardware, same interface, same drivers, same software, same hardware wiring, same hookup, and all my levels on PT, as well as on the interface itself haven't been touched with a 12 foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting totally completely different readouts between the two versions? That almost indicates to me that there is an issue in PT 11.2 reading the meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I asked a few messages back in the thread if PT11 handled the meters a little differently, or if it was an issue of Voiceover itself doing something odd. You wrote: I guarantee that there's another piece of gear that's causing you to see levels that hot. I suggest you eliminate the variables and figure the problem out that way. All I have is my keyboard which is only running into the interface via midi, so it can't be
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if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly. You wrote: It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to research more thoroughly? You wrote: The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that teach audio engineering and production. OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools... You wrote: Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a long time. Understandable. You wrote: Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4 dB FS. For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS, what do you mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels here. Then again, nmaybe not? Secondly, let me go back to my initial point. If indeed this is not ProTools related, and please know, this isn't in any way meant to challenge you nor to be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to understand your point from the bigger picture. So, keep that in mind when reading what I'm about to ask. If PT has nothing to do with it, which by the way, I'm in agreement with you on at this point in time until proven otherwise, then explain this to me... Why then is PT 10 with Voiceover showing me something totally different than PT 11, when my settings are absolutely 100% identical on both versions, I'm running both on the same mac computer, so it's not like I'm on a different workstation, same hardware, same interface, same drivers, same software, same hardware wiring, same hookup, and all my levels on PT, as well as on the interface itself haven't been touched with a 12 foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting totally completely different readouts between the two versions? That almost indicates to me that there is an issue in PT 11.2 reading the meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I asked a few messages back in the thread if PT11 handled the meters a little differently, or if it was an issue of Voiceover itself doing something odd. You wrote: I guarantee that there's
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Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly. You wrote: It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to research more thoroughly? You wrote: The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that teach audio engineering and production. OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools... You wrote: Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a long time. Understandable. You wrote: Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4 dB FS. For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS, what do you mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels here. Then again, nmaybe
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Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email. On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. You wrote: You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be the cause? You wrote: I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly. You wrote: It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to research more thoroughly? You wrote: The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that teach audio engineering and production. OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools... You wrote: Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a long time. Understandable. You wrote: Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and nothing else in between, there's
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I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and scanned the other two. For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave wide. At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio format anywhere? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not correctly
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And while not a technical book on recording, mixing and etc, The Daily Adventure of mixer man is worth the read from an entertainment stand point that also happens to have little audio nuggets in there. And if you get the Audio book a certain member of this mailing list makes a cameo. On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca wrote: I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and scanned the other two. For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave wide. At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio format anywhere? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial standards. (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!) www.cambridge-mt.com and 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools http://www.mixingaudio.com/ That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. For mastering, the bible is: Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. His site is at: http://www.digido.com Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with? Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: You wrote: First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot
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First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort. You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue. I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that teach audio engineering and production. Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a long time. Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4 dB FS. I guarantee that there's another piece of gear that's causing you to see levels that hot. I suggest you eliminate the variables and figure the problem out that way. slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: No, believe it or not, it didn't. and that's the thing anyway, I couldn't turn my preamp down on the interface. It already was! all the way down. That was kind of the whole point of this thread. Sorry if I'm confusing you even more. That's why I encouraged everyone to listen to that file I put on Dropbox. Chris. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. I don't know what your issue is but just turning down your preamp will likely solve any problem. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, but, why on earth is it showing that I'm peaking around -4 to -2DB? Is that also yet another Voiceover hiccup? God I hope so! Although, that's gonna make mixing extremely! difficult. I don't think I even can install 10.0 on Mavericks, can I? I have a DMG of it, but last I heard, it wouldn't work. Chris. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Chris, The meters in Pro Tools 11 will always read -14 dB no matter what. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Well, tech support told me that I was peeking much lower on my meter, but when I just looked myself with Voiceover, that isn't the case. So, I'm back at square 1. I have no idea what is going on! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
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Well, tech support told me that I was peeking much lower on my meter, but when I just looked myself with Voiceover, that isn't the case. So, I'm back at square 1. I have no idea what is going on! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Chris, The meters in Pro Tools 11 will always read -14 dB no matter what. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Well, tech support told me that I was peeking much lower on my meter, but when I just looked myself with Voiceover, that isn't the case. So, I'm back at square 1. I have no idea what is going on! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I don't know what your issue is but just turning down your preamp will likely solve any problem. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, but, why on earth is it showing that I'm peaking around -4 to -2DB? Is that also yet another Voiceover hiccup? God I hope so! Although, that's gonna make mixing extremely! difficult. I don't think I even can install 10.0 on Mavericks, can I? I have a DMG of it, but last I heard, it wouldn't work. Chris. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Chris, The meters in Pro Tools 11 will always read -14 dB no matter what. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Well, tech support told me that I was peeking much lower on my meter, but when I just looked myself with Voiceover, that isn't the case. So, I'm back at square 1. I have no idea what is going on! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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No, believe it or not, it didn't. and that's the thing anyway, I couldn't turn my preamp down on the interface. It already was! all the way down. That was kind of the whole point of this thread. Sorry if I'm confusing you even more. That's why I encouraged everyone to listen to that file I put on Dropbox. Chris. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. I don't know what your issue is but just turning down your preamp will likely solve any problem. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: OK, but, why on earth is it showing that I'm peaking around -4 to -2DB? Is that also yet another Voiceover hiccup? God I hope so! Although, that's gonna make mixing extremely! difficult. I don't think I even can install 10.0 on Mavericks, can I? I have a DMG of it, but last I heard, it wouldn't work. Chris. - Original Message - From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. Chris, The meters in Pro Tools 11 will always read -14 dB no matter what. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed. Slau On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Well, tech support told me that I was peeking much lower on my meter, but when I just looked myself with Voiceover, that isn't the case. So, I'm back at square 1. I have no idea what is going on! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pro Tools Accessibility group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
