Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/25/2015 10:21 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

For many years humans rode horses without helmets.
Even now people ride horses without helmets, except for the dressage 
peeps, I think.

I wonder if they have the same helmet issues as cyclists?


People died from falls from horses all the time.


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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Doug Williams]

Do you shame people who ride the wrong way against traffic? Or is that okay 
as long as they are wearing their helmet? Wearing a helmet is prudent. 
Again, I wear mine every time I ride. But it is the LEAST important safety 
measure that you can take behind (in order)  1. Bike Control,  2. Rule 
Compliance, 3. Lane Position, and 4. Hazard Avoidance. Each of these 
elements (1-4) have many details and procedures attached to them, and each 
of these details is much more important than wearing a helmet. It is MUCH 
safer to ride properly without a helmet than it is to ride with a helmet 
and violate 1-4 above. You like data? YES, the data says that 1-4 above are 
much more important to safety than wearing a helmet. MUCH more important.

So who should be shamed? Someone who rides properly without a helmet? Or 
someone who wears a helmet and rides improperly? I would take off my 
helmet, have three beers, and ride properly before I would wear a helmet 
and ride against traffic. I would be much safer riding helmet-less but 
properly after 3 beers than I would be riding against traffic sober wearing 
a full face motorcycle helmet. Yet wearing a helmet seems to be the only 
measure of bicycle safety and responsibility for the helmet zealots. We 
need to take a broader view.

Do you want to determine if an accident was the fault of a bicyclist so 
that you can properly shame him? If so, "Was he wearing a helmet?" should 
be the LAST question you ask, not the first.

Doug

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>
> If data indicates that helmets mitigate head damage and if you choose to 
> ignore that data... whose lives have you compromised? 
>
> Yours? For sure. 
>
> Your wife's, your children... well... maybe the shame label is 
> appropriate. I'll accept that opinion. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and you also disrespect your family when you fail to wear a helmet 
>> in your car or while walking on the street, both of which are more 
>> dangerous than bicycling. This is just the kind of "helmet shaming" that I 
>> am talking about.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>>>
>>> Kelly,
>>>
>>> I think there's another perspective that has not been mentioned here...
>>>
>>> When I was sitting outside the ER waiting for the Cat-Scans on my wife, 
>>> I realized that her injuries were not simply hers. Her injuries belonged to 
>>> our children, our parents, our neighbors... 
>>>
>>> The decision to wear, or not wear, a helmet isn't singular. We have 
>>> networks of family and friends who suffer when we are injured. The assumed 
>>> risk is not singular. Families and friends pick up the pieces. Jan Heine 
>>> was very fortunate to have a good friend drop everything to shepherd him 
>>> home from Taiwan. 
>>>
>>> The decision to mitigate risk should recognize those who will bear the 
>>> burden of loss. It's not about laws. It's about common sense. It's about 
>>> respect for your loved ones.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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[RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[David Banzer]

I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as I 
had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
something larger.
So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, or 
micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my Clem 
for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
comfy.
Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Minh]

Hmm are you having a problem with standover or reach?  if it's reach, and 
you are ok switching to non-drops, these bikes work really well with 
albatross bars--which would help with the reach problem.  IIRC a 55cm is 
only 1cm less on the reach, not sure on how much standover that will buy 
you.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-5, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> I need a size smaller, I think. Bought this locally, it works, but I'd 
> rather get something that fits me better. I do believe I would be better 
> with a 55cm Sam (really my PBH is 83 so I guess anywhere from a 51-54? )
> Other Riv's I'd be 56-58 if I am doing my math right?
>
> Anyways, this is in very nice shape. I am second owner. First did not ride 
> it much, I haven't either (I personally have done maybe 25miles on it!)
>
> Craigslist link, if allowed.. 
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/5234127445.html
>
>
> I am asking $1700. Located in Ann Arbor, MI
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[Eric Norris]

Oh, the bike has fenders? Hadn't noticed ...

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> On Nov 25, 2015, at 10:20 AM, David Person  wrote:
> 
> No that anyone is looking at the bike, but that fender line could use some 
> serious work.
> 
> David P.
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>> 
>>   Fashionistas "just ride" too  . . . . as does anyone who rides 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Tim Gavin]

I can easily scrape a pedal if I'm cranking while leaned over in a turn.
But, it's also quite easy to avoid that by not pedalling when leaned over
in a turn.

In exchange, the very low BB makes the bike handle great because my weight
is so low.  It also helps with flat-footing when stopped.

In my experience, the drawbacks of 650b conversion (low BB/pedal scrape,
non-popular tire and wheel sizes) are vastly outweighed by the positives
(38 mm tires, fenders).

Tim

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:13 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> That's really cool Erl. Did you notice any pedal strike tendencies with
> the lower BB height? I figure it's a non issue with road riding.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:28:36 AM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>>
>> My frame is similar to Tim's.  Attached photo shows clearance under rear
>> brake bridge with a 700 x 28 Rolly Polly.  Following Tim's lead, I too
>> successfully converted to a 650b.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Tim Gavin wrote: Tire clearance doesn't seem to be as standard as you
>> think.
>> >
>> > This may be true, but I find it difficult to believe that the specs
>> would be off by as much as 7mm. Again, I suspect the catalog refers to a
>> different model year than this bicycle. I could be wrong though--I don't
>> seem to be right as often as I think;^)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes.
>> >
>> > I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or
>> another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the
>> awkward construction, need coffee.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I understand that Grant always tried to max out the clearance available
>> of short-reach brakes. Still, the fact remains that my Riv Road Standard
>> won't clear 700 x 29 (actual measurement, not manufacturer's size) without
>> rubbing on the fork crown and brake bridge.
>> >
>> >
>> > (lousy picture but it shows the limited clearance.  700 x 28 (actual
>> measurement) Kenda Qwest shown)
>> >
>> > ​
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I purchased my Riv used, so I don't know the circumstances of its
>> creation.  It's a Waterford, July '97 build.  Maybe they did a Road
>> Standard with semi-custom geometry?
>> >
>> >
>> > I thank the Reader articles on 650b conversion for helping me fit
>> fatter tires (with 650b) and enjoy my Riv much more.  I have another 90s
>> lugged steel road bike (Giordana XL-Eco) that can't even fit a 700 x 28
>> (actual) tire, and the skinny tires limit my enjoyment of it.  I'm a big
>> guy and I like gravel and dirt, so I vastly prefer a wider tire.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Tim
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[WETH]

Hugh,
Thanks. My experiences mirror Tim's.  Pedal strike if I lean too far pedaling 
while turning.  I love the 650b wheels/tires and I can fit fenders!  A win-win 
for me.  Photos of my build here:
https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853
-Erl

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
> That's really cool Erl. Did you notice any pedal strike tendencies with the 
> lower BB height? I figure it's a non issue with road riding.
> 
> 
> Tail Winds,
> 
> 
> ~Hugh
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:28:36 AM UTC-8, WETH wrote:My frame is 
> similar to Tim's.  Attached photo shows clearance under rear brake bridge 
> with a 700 x 28 Rolly Polly.  Following Tim's lead, I too successfully 
> converted to a 650b.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> >  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tim Gavin wrote: Tire clearance doesn't seem to be as standard as you think.
> 
> > 
> 
> > This may be true, but I find it difficult to believe that the specs would 
> > be off by as much as 7mm. Again, I suspect the catalog refers to a 
> > different model year than this bicycle. I could be wrong though--I don't 
> > seem to be right as often as I think;^)
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes.
> 
> > 
> 
> > I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or 
> > another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the 
> > awkward construction, need coffee.)
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I understand that Grant always tried to max out the clearance available of 
> > short-reach brakes. Still, the fact remains that my Riv Road Standard won't 
> > clear 700 x 29 (actual measurement, not manufacturer's size) without 
> > rubbing on the fork crown and brake bridge.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > (lousy picture but it shows the limited clearance.  700 x 28 (actual 
> > measurement) Kenda Qwest shown)
> 
> > 
> 
> > ​
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I purchased my Riv used, so I don't know the circumstances of its creation. 
> >  It's a Waterford, July '97 build.  Maybe they did a Road Standard with 
> > semi-custom geometry?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I thank the Reader articles on 650b conversion for helping me fit fatter 
> > tires (with 650b) and enjoy my Riv much more.  I have another 90s lugged 
> > steel road bike (Giordana XL-Eco) that can't even fit a 700 x 28 (actual) 
> > tire, and the skinny tires limit my enjoyment of it.  I'm a big guy and I 
> > like gravel and dirt, so I vastly prefer a wider tire.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[hsmitham]

That's really cool Erl. Did you notice any pedal strike tendencies with the 
lower BB height? I figure it's a non issue with road riding.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:28:36 AM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>
> My frame is similar to Tim's.  Attached photo shows clearance under rear 
> brake bridge with a 700 x 28 Rolly Polly.  Following Tim's lead, I too 
> successfully converted to a 650b. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: 
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Gavin wrote: Tire clearance doesn't seem to be as standard as you 
> think. 
> > 
> > This may be true, but I find it difficult to believe that the specs 
> would be off by as much as 7mm. Again, I suspect the catalog refers to a 
> different model year than this bicycle. I could be wrong though--I don't 
> seem to be right as often as I think;^) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes. 
> > 
> > I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or 
> another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the 
> awkward construction, need coffee.) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I understand that Grant always tried to max out the clearance available 
> of short-reach brakes. Still, the fact remains that my Riv Road Standard 
> won't clear 700 x 29 (actual measurement, not manufacturer's size) without 
> rubbing on the fork crown and brake bridge. 
> > 
> > 
> > (lousy picture but it shows the limited clearance.  700 x 28 (actual 
> measurement) Kenda Qwest shown) 
> > 
> > ​ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I purchased my Riv used, so I don't know the circumstances of its 
> creation.  It's a Waterford, July '97 build.  Maybe they did a Road 
> Standard with semi-custom geometry? 
> > 
> > 
> > I thank the Reader articles on 650b conversion for helping me fit fatter 
> tires (with 650b) and enjoy my Riv much more.  I have another 90s lugged 
> steel road bike (Giordana XL-Eco) that can't even fit a 700 x 28 (actual) 
> tire, and the skinny tires limit my enjoyment of it.  I'm a big guy and I 
> like gravel and dirt, so I vastly prefer a wider tire. 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > 
> > Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hugh

I never have pedal strike issues on my 54.5 cm conversion.  It's really a good 
bike to do it on. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 12:13 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> 
> That's really cool Erl. Did you notice any pedal strike tendencies with the 
> lower BB height? I figure it's a non issue with road riding.
> 
> Tail Winds,
> 
> ~Hugh
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:28:36 AM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>> My frame is similar to Tim's.  Attached photo shows clearance under rear 
>> brake bridge with a 700 x 28 Rolly Polly.  Following Tim's lead, I too 
>> successfully converted to a 650b. 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: 
>> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> >  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Tim Gavin wrote: Tire clearance doesn't seem to be as standard as you 
>> > think. 
>> > 
>> > This may be true, but I find it difficult to believe that the specs would 
>> > be off by as much as 7mm. Again, I suspect the catalog refers to a 
>> > different model year than this bicycle. I could be wrong though--I don't 
>> > seem to be right as often as I think;^) 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes. 
>> > 
>> > I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or 
>> > another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the 
>> > awkward construction, need coffee.) 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I understand that Grant always tried to max out the clearance available of 
>> > short-reach brakes. Still, the fact remains that my Riv Road Standard 
>> > won't clear 700 x 29 (actual measurement, not manufacturer's size) without 
>> > rubbing on the fork crown and brake bridge. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > (lousy picture but it shows the limited clearance.  700 x 28 (actual 
>> > measurement) Kenda Qwest shown) 
>> > 
>> > ​ 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I purchased my Riv used, so I don't know the circumstances of its 
>> > creation.  It's a Waterford, July '97 build.  Maybe they did a Road 
>> > Standard with semi-custom geometry? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I thank the Reader articles on 650b conversion for helping me fit fatter 
>> > tires (with 650b) and enjoy my Riv much more.  I have another 90s lugged 
>> > steel road bike (Giordana XL-Eco) that can't even fit a 700 x 28 (actual) 
>> > tire, and the skinny tires limit my enjoyment of it.  I'm a big guy and I 
>> > like gravel and dirt, so I vastly prefer a wider tire. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Cheers, 
>> > 
>> > Tim
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[RBW] Re: Polished Sugino Crankset

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:02:01 PM UTC-8, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark. I found a Zephyr 36T inner but am having trouble locating a 
> 48t outer. I may have to bite the bullet and shell out the $ to Harris 
>  Cycles to get that mirror finish.

 
Wiggle sells TA chainrings for about $57. Unfortunately, it appears they 
are out of 48t, but have 47t and 49t in silver. They do have 48t in black, 
but that's not what you want.
 
 http://www.wiggle.com/ta-110-pcd-zephyr-mtb-outer-chainring/
 
Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Belopolsky]

It's more of a reach problem. If I cannot sell this bike now/during the 
winter, I am switching to the bars you mention in the spring

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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Edwin W]

Switching bars is SUCH a drag for me. I know others on this list switch 
cockpits at the drop of a hat. Why don't they live near me and teach me 
their magic?
That said, I first fell in love with a Sam with albas. I switched to drops 
about a year ago, and I think I'll switch back when the choco mooses come 
out.

Try switching bars - this bike was MADE for albas.

Edwin

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> It's more of a reach problem. If I cannot sell this bike now/during the 
> winter, I am switching to the bars you mention in the spring
>

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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Lungimsam]

For many years humans rode horses without helmets.
Even now people ride horses without helmets, except for the dressage peeps, 
I think.
I wonder if they have the same helmet issues as cyclists?

I don't buy the helmet-causes-rider-to-ride-more-risky idea either - there 
are a lot of other body parts I don't want hurt either, so I try to be 
careful all the time.

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[RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[David Person]

No that anyone is looking at the bike, but that fender line could use some 
serious work.

David P.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
> 
>
>   Fashionistas "just ride" too  . . . . as does anyone who rides 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[sameness]

David Person wrote:
>
> Not that anyone is looking at the bike
>

No kidding. Think I can get those boots in a size 15?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA 

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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Will]

Geez Doug, I think this shaming business is getting a little too deep. 

My suggestion, most simply put, is that one wears a helmet to protect their 
family. It's not a personal decision, it's a communal decision. It's not 
about shame. It's about risk evaluation. 

I reached that conclusion via personal exposure to the vaguries of bike 
riding. My wife had a serious bike wreck. I admit bias. But it's not 
academic bias, or bias simply to argue x or y on bike groups, it's bias 
that was informed by 7 cat-scans. 

I don't rank riding habits.. so wearing a helment versis riding against 
traffic, not having a blinky, or drinking beer is not meaningful to me. I 
ride daily. My entire family rides daily. Our riding habits are highy 
skewed to safe behaviors. We have lights. We all wear those big Riv 
reflector triangles. Our pedals have reflectors. We wear helmets, etc...

Whether you wear a helmet is obviously your choice. I'm not advocating 
mandatory laws. I am simply making the case for recognizing that accidents 
are SHARED EVENTS. If you screw up, you family bears the weight. Your 
decision tree needs to include that contingency. 



On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:54:47 AM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> Do you shame people who ride the wrong way against traffic? Or is that 
> okay as long as they are wearing their helmet? Wearing a helmet is prudent. 
> Again, I wear mine every time I ride. But it is the LEAST important safety 
> measure that you can take behind (in order)  1. Bike Control,  2. Rule 
> Compliance, 3. Lane Position, and 4. Hazard Avoidance. Each of these 
> elements (1-4) have many details and procedures attached to them, and each 
> of these details is much more important than wearing a helmet. It is MUCH 
> safer to ride properly without a helmet than it is to ride with a helmet 
> and violate 1-4 above. You like data? YES, the data says that 1-4 above are 
> much more important to safety than wearing a helmet. MUCH more important.
>
> So who should be shamed? Someone who rides properly without a helmet? Or 
> someone who wears a helmet and rides improperly? I would take off my 
> helmet, have three beers, and ride properly before I would wear a helmet 
> and ride against traffic. I would be much safer riding helmet-less but 
> properly after 3 beers than I would be riding against traffic sober wearing 
> a full face motorcycle helmet. Yet wearing a helmet seems to be the only 
> measure of bicycle safety and responsibility for the helmet zealots. We 
> need to take a broader view.
>
> Do you want to determine if an accident was the fault of a bicyclist so 
> that you can properly shame him? If so, "Was he wearing a helmet?" should 
> be the LAST question you ask, not the first.
>
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>>
>> If data indicates that helmets mitigate head damage and if you choose to 
>> ignore that data... whose lives have you compromised? 
>>
>> Yours? For sure. 
>>
>> Your wife's, your children... well... maybe the shame label is 
>> appropriate. I'll accept that opinion. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 5:37:13 PM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, and you also disrespect your family when you fail to wear a helmet 
>>> in your car or while walking on the street, both of which are more 
>>> dangerous than bicycling. This is just the kind of "helmet shaming" that I 
>>> am talking about.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:

 Kelly,

 I think there's another perspective that has not been mentioned here...

 When I was sitting outside the ER waiting for the Cat-Scans on my wife, 
 I realized that her injuries were not simply hers. Her injuries belonged 
 to 
 our children, our parents, our neighbors... 

 The decision to wear, or not wear, a helmet isn't singular. We have 
 networks of family and friends who suffer when we are injured. The assumed 
 risk is not singular. Families and friends pick up the pieces. Jan Heine 
 was very fortunate to have a good friend drop everything to shepherd him 
 home from Taiwan. 

 The decision to mitigate risk should recognize those who will bear the 
 burden of loss. It's not about laws. It's about common sense. It's about 
 respect for your loved ones.  






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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ted,

I got pretty excited when I saw your post

The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
and around 21 on the low end.

However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(

I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
it really so hard?  *sniff*.

-Jim

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>   4224
> 11  99.3  56.7
> 12  91.0  52.0
> 13  84.0  48.0
> 14  78.0  44.6
> 15  72.8  41.6
> 16  68.2  39.0
> 17  64.2  36.7
> 19  57.5  32.8
> 22  49.6  28.4
> 25  43.7  25.0
> 28  39.0  22.3
> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>   4326
> 11 101.6  61.5
> 12  93.2  56.3
> 13  86.0  52.0
> 14  79.9  48.3
> 15  74.5  45.1
> 17  65.8  39.8
> 19  58.8  35.6
> 22  50.8  30.7
> 25  44.7  27.0
> 28  39.9  24.1
> 32  34.9  21.1
> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>
> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>> on.
>>
>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>
>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>> back.
>>
>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>
>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>> this.
>>
>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.
>>
>> So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?
>>
>> well anyway just musing.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[WETH]

https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[WETH]

https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853
Oops-a linking fail.
Erl 

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[RBW] Big Ol' Clem.

[David Banzer]

Got around to taking photos of my large Clem today. Intended to earlier but 
just plain forgot to take photos as I was having fun riding. 
It'll get some temporary SKS P50 fenders as I contemplate tire selection, 
then probably the VO 63mm fluted aluminum fenders. Needs a rear rack. I 
have a Nitto R10 saddlebag support in the meantime that needs to be 
installed, but I need longer bolts for the seatpost attachment as it was 
designed to fit around a 27.2mm seatpost. I planned on also getting a 
Haulin' Colin front rack as well, but I am pretty pleased with the Soma 
front rack with Wald basket arrangement. I intended to test that out for 
front load handling before I plunked down cash on the HC rack. I might just 
stick with what's on there.
Hi-vis basket bag for fun and because I like being seen on this bike. The 
long chainstays are nice and comfortable - only downsides are sorta hard 
steering in very slow, tight hairpin turns - and the most surprising sorta 
downside - I can't see the cassette when I look down. I have a habit of 
doing this regularly when I'm getting used to a new bike with new gearing. 
Guess I'll just feel it out. Overall, very, very happy with this bike. 
First bike I've felt fit right with Albatross bars.

Some photos here: 
http://s821.photobucket.com/user/dabanzer/library/Rivendell%20Clem?sort=3=1

Build list for those interested:
Riv Clem Smith Jr. 59cm Frameset
700c Alex DM18 Rims (older version with eyelets, basically a Velocity Atlas 
or wider Sun CR18)
Shimano Deore Rear Hub - older 7s freehub version
Generic High Flange Front Hub
Resist Nomad Tires (42mm actual)
7-speed custom cassette
2 7-speed chains!
Shimano Ultegra long cage rear derailleur
SunRace clicky friction shifter - mounted on stem
Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset (172.5mm) w/ 42t chainring & chainguard
Dura Ace Bottom Bracket
VP-001 Riv Gray Pedals
Tektro CR720 Cantilever Brakes
Gran Compe Roller Hangers
Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem - 12cm
Nitto Albatross Bars - cromo
Shimano Tiagra Brake Levers
Cork Grips
Generic Seatpost
Brooks B17 - black
Soma Champs Elysees Mini Front Rack
Wald Basket
Hi-Vis Basket Bag

& finally, a to-do list
Install fenders
Re-build front wheel with SP Dynamo Hub
Install Son Edelux II light
Get wheel locks
Swap pedals for VP Vice
Wrap front of Albatross bars with bar tape
Install chainstay protection of some sort

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[RBW] Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[John Hawrylak]

*Is the RBW Sugino XD2 triple crank a JIS or ISO taper.*

My Shimano BB spindle is JIS.   The RBW Crank page does not state the 
required taper.

Hard to believe its not JIS, but I want to be sure before I take the old 
crank off and put the XD 2 on.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[LeahFoy]

 It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the new 
creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend getting a 
new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for an upgraded 
bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy said, "Here, try 
mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus bear wobbling around, 
gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No longer able to deny its 
state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after church the three of us 
started talking bikes. 

Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. The 
friend looked on with interest. 

I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind or 
great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain stays. 
I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came very close 
to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more would get you a 
magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put him on my bike and 
made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does ride nice. Can we get 
a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like the Rivendell?" 
*Eyeroll.* 

There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I just 
don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. *Another 
eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I decided to 
give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's size left!

Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's Rivelo! I 
never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only hours ago, he 
called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put you over the moon. 
So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call and get it." Listen, 
people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes John and I were friends 
and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, which will delight my husband 
when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's his new bike, but I feel like I 
received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who wears suits, drives a luxury car, is 
a lover of all things new and modern, and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay 
at home mom who wears skinny jeans and boots, yearns for simpler times, and 
prefers to "bike there." He bikes to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing 
him down, you see. Just the other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!

And today he has a Rivendell. 

Life is good.

Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[KC]

I am so happy for *you.*  He will now share your affliction and it will be 
wonderful.  May as well order the wald basket right now if you really want 
him to be able to carry the basketball.  
I would like to warn you not to let your husband ever meet or engage with 
Bill Lindsay as he then might get totally out of control.  
(My husband had absolutely no need for a new bike while I unflinchingly 
moved forward with my Cheviot I knew I had to have.  So I had him ride my 
daughter-in-laws Romulus and he immediately understood why he too needed a 
bike change)


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:37:34 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

> It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
> handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the 
> new creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend 
> getting a new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for 
> an upgraded bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy 
> said, "Here, try mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus 
> bear wobbling around, gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No 
> longer able to deny its state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after 
> church the three of us started talking bikes. 
>
> Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. 
> The friend looked on with interest. 
>
> I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind 
> or great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain 
> stays. I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came 
> very close to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more 
> would get you a magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put 
> him on my bike and made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does 
> ride nice. Can we get a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like 
> the Rivendell?" *Eyeroll.* 
>
> There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I 
> just don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
> Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. 
> *Another eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I 
> decided to give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's 
> size left!
>
> Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's 
> Rivelo! I never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only 
> hours ago, he called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put 
> you over the moon. So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call 
> and get it." Listen, people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes 
> John and I were friends and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, 
> which will delight my husband when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's 
> his new bike, but I feel like I received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who 
> wears suits, drives a luxury car, is a lover of all things new and modern, 
> and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay at home mom who wears skinny jeans 
> and boots, yearns for simpler times, and prefers to "bike there." He bikes 
> to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing him down, you see. Just the 
> other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!
>
> And today he has a Rivendell. 
>
> Life is good.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[Dan A]

Clement Xplor Mso is 700 x 40. Bruce Gordon Rock and Road is another option. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[Doug Williams]

LOL, hey...I noticed the fender issue too. No fender on the front, and the 
fender line on the rear is just terrible! Bars are too low and I don't like 
straight bars or single speeds. Frame is nice, though. I guess that we are 
a hopeless bunch.

Doug

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:43:55 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Oh, the bike has fenders? Hadn't noticed ...
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Nov 25, 2015, at 10:20 AM, David Person  > wrote:
>
> No that anyone is looking at the bike, but that fender line could use some 
> serious work.
>
> David P.
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 5:22:47 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Fashionistas "just ride" too  . . . . as does anyone who rides 
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Belopolsky]

Seems like if I put Albastache bars (or Moustache) and use my current 
shimano drop bar levers..I would still be too stretched out..

Now if I get bars with some mountain bike levers then I'd be better off?

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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[blakcloud]

There are other choices besides the Albas and Albastaches. You could have a 
look at the MAP/Ahearne bar or the Jitensha Studio bar. These would give 
you a sportier position instead of the what I call the gentleman position 
that Albatross bars give you. 

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[El Sapo]

I've ridden noting but Schwalbe and now those 1.75 Kendra Kwik 7s? that 
came on the stock 52 Clem. Like you, I think the Clem is begging for a 
larger tire. I think my wife's small Clementine has Kendra 26 x 2.1, and 
they feel nice. Clems are supposed to fit a 60mm - 2.35 and that's what I'm 
going to put on mine eventually. Although those gum wall Compass tires are 
calling my name I'm holding out for the 27.5 Schwalbe Big One to be 
released next year.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote:

> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
> something larger.
> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, or 
> micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my Clem 
> for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
> comfy.
> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Tires For Sale, or learning the hard way

[Patrick Moore]

1. One pr NIP 559 X 1.35" Kojaks, Folding, $60 SHIPPED CONUS.

2. One pair very lightly USED 559 X 1.35" Kojaks, < 100 miles, $50 shipped
CONUS.

3. 1 single WTB Mutano Raptor 26 X 2.4, PLUS 1 single WTB Moto Raptor, 2.4,
$30 shipped CONUS.

Willing to trade for Elk Passes!

Backstory. Executive Summary: I gained firsthand experience the usual way,
by means of expense and hassle. Even folding Kojaks don't work well in a
tubeless conversion. With the ELQ 21 rims, the beads seal and hold air, *as
long as their is sufficient air pressure to hold them in place.* Release
the air and you are back to tubes. I don't want to risk this out on the
road.

I rode them about 60-70 miles, on pavement and dirt and gravel, and believe
me, the Kojaks are  wonderfully cushy and smooth and (I daresay) fast
without tubes. I could not tell much difference with the Elk Passes + tubes
+ sealant. The conversion was fraught with complication: first, I had to
order folding ones. Second, I had to jetison my old 40 mm fenders, which
fit the Elk Passes but not the Kojaks (they were close with the EPs,
anyway, and besides they were bought 2nd hand, so loss less than it might
have been). Then, I ordered what were to have been 584 X 50 Honjos from
Clymb, which turned out to be 700C. Still, half price. Then, discovered
that only sufficient air pressure holds beads in place. Then had Vaughn
disassemble and add 4-5 more layers of Stan's tape; left over weekend to
"set." Discovered today that, after "setting," that the beads don't set --
release the air and the beads separate.

Oh well.

Also have FS a Ritchey bullhorn, a vinyl Vetta saddle, and a few 15 and 16
(and 1 13) t fixed cogs, 3/32, black. Inquire for prices.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[Bill Lindsay]

That's the best thing I've read this week.  It's not even close. 
 Fan-Tas-Tic.  Thank you for posting that

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:37:34 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
> handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the 
> new creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend 
> getting a new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for 
> an upgraded bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy 
> said, "Here, try mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus 
> bear wobbling around, gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No 
> longer able to deny its state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after 
> church the three of us started talking bikes. 
>
> Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. 
> The friend looked on with interest. 
>
> I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind 
> or great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain 
> stays. I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came 
> very close to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more 
> would get you a magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put 
> him on my bike and made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does 
> ride nice. Can we get a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like 
> the Rivendell?" *Eyeroll.* 
>
> There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I 
> just don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
> Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. 
> *Another eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I 
> decided to give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's 
> size left!
>
> Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's 
> Rivelo! I never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only 
> hours ago, he called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put 
> you over the moon. So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call 
> and get it." Listen, people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes 
> John and I were friends and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, 
> which will delight my husband when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's 
> his new bike, but I feel like I received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who 
> wears suits, drives a luxury car, is a lover of all things new and modern, 
> and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay at home mom who wears skinny jeans 
> and boots, yearns for simpler times, and prefers to "bike there." He bikes 
> to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing him down, you see. Just the 
> other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!
>
> And today he has a Rivendell. 
>
> Life is good.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[Philip Kim]

It's JIS I believe but some would say it doesn't even matter

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm pretty sure the guys at Ibis, talented as they were  (the handlebars 
were fabricated down the street) did not make the front sidepull on my 1993 
Scorcher, which came stock with 41mm Specialized Nimbus tires (and actual 
or not, they were pretty damn fat). I'm not sure the exact model, but if 
memory serves it was a Dia Compe, with the lettering in script. Sure, maybe 
Shimano and Campy did not have grouppo brakesets for anything other than 
25mm tires, but I still think the longer sidepulls were available, if you 
knew where to look. Obviously Scott Nichols and Wes Williams did. (Or, 
outside chance, it could be that they came across a stash of 100 NOS 
brakes. More likely it was one of the more staid selections from a BMX 
catalog). And what about replacement sidepull brakes for all those old 
Schwinns? Not all of them were CP. And aside from sidepulls, are we certain 
nobody in the world was making CP brakes in the 1990s?Maybe George L. 
didn't want to resort to a "second tier" brake? Anyway, the brake cleared 
those big old tires but only by a hair, and stopped okay, too. But it did 
get ugly fast with ice build up.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:04:19 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 11/25/2015 07:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>
> *Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes.*
>
> I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or 
> another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the 
> awkward construction, need coffee.)
>
>
> Actually, I think this is way wrong.  My 1991 George Longstaff was built 
> for cantilever brakes because in 1991 only cantilevers would clear a 28mm 
> tire.  There wasn't a centerpull or long reach sidepull on the market that 
> would.  
>
> Also, when the Rambouillet was introduced in 2002, much was made of the 
> fact that the then newly introduced Shimano long reach dual pivot sidepull 
> made this frame possible -- and that brake on that frame will only 
> accommodate a 28mm tire with fenders (and even then you have to play games 
> with the cable tension to get the pads far enough apart to clear a Roly 
> Poly 28mm tire).  
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just for the heck of it, I dug up the copy of my old mag with the Scorcher 
on the cover, brake in evidence:





>
> 
>
>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just read the review again after...23 years. I thought it was a bit related 
to the other thread getting lots of attention, the one having to do with 
saving ourselves from ourselves. Anyway, not the easiest to read in this 
reproduction, but I thought one or two people might enjoy it. If nothing 
else, I found out my views regarding bicycles, helmets, cars, and having 
fun have remained pretty consistent over the years! Happy Thanksgiving!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[David Person]

Great story Leah.  Thanks for sharing with the group.  It is beginning to feel 
like flannel shirt weather here in So. Cal.

David P.

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[RBW] Re: Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[T.O.M.]

http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/us/products/touring/xd.html  While it doesn't 
specifically say it's "XD2" info,  all cranksets seem to be JIS taper.


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 5:27:46 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:

> *Is the RBW Sugino XD2 triple crank a JIS or ISO taper.*
>
> My Shimano BB spindle is JIS.   The RBW Crank page does not state the 
> required taper.
>
> Hard to believe its not JIS, but I want to be sure before I take the old 
> crank off and put the XD 2 on.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[Lungimsam]

Call RBW for the most complete and accurate info.

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[RBW] Re: Thank you!

[Liesl]

You know it!  Always thankful for this group!  -liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[dougP]

That's a great story, Leah.  Congratulations to both of you.  Maybe he 
needs a railroad shirt from Rivendell to help expand his sartorial 
choices?  

dougP

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:37:34 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
> handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the 
> new creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend 
> getting a new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for 
> an upgraded bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy 
> said, "Here, try mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus 
> bear wobbling around, gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No 
> longer able to deny its state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after 
> church the three of us started talking bikes. 
>
> Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. 
> The friend looked on with interest. 
>
> I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind 
> or great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain 
> stays. I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came 
> very close to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more 
> would get you a magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put 
> him on my bike and made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does 
> ride nice. Can we get a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like 
> the Rivendell?" *Eyeroll.* 
>
> There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I 
> just don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
> Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. 
> *Another eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I 
> decided to give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's 
> size left!
>
> Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's 
> Rivelo! I never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only 
> hours ago, he called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put 
> you over the moon. So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call 
> and get it." Listen, people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes 
> John and I were friends and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, 
> which will delight my husband when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's 
> his new bike, but I feel like I received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who 
> wears suits, drives a luxury car, is a lover of all things new and modern, 
> and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay at home mom who wears skinny jeans 
> and boots, yearns for simpler times, and prefers to "bike there." He bikes 
> to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing him down, you see. Just the 
> other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!
>
> And today he has a Rivendell. 
>
> Life is good.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[Philip Kim]

Also jis bc I've used his with this specific crankset. Sugino 75 is the only 
crank that Sugino makes that is ISO.

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[ted]

Jim,

I see in your next post you found it. Please let us know how it works out 
for you.
Hope I wasn't blowing smoke when I assumed you could get a 43t ring.

In the why can't I get ... sniff dept.
Why no 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28,32 (or ...34) 10 spd?
the 9 spd HG80 gives 11,12,13,14,16,18,21,24,28 why not just add the 32 (or 
34) to make it 10?
the only shimano 10 spd 11-32 is 11,12,14,16,18,20,22,25,28,32 
the 10 spd sram 1070 gives (now) 11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32
Id much rather have the extra one tooth gap(s) in the small cogs than the 
minor reduction in step size in the large ones.
And while I am at it, though there are 11 sp bar end shifters for the aero 
TT crowd, there are no 11 sp down tube shifters.
sniff.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Ted, 
>
> I got pretty excited when I saw your post 
>
> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates 
> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end 
> and around 21 on the low end. 
>
> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :( 
>
> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps 
> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is 
> it really so hard?  *sniff*. 
>
> -Jim 
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  
> wrote: 
> > Jim, 
> > 
> > I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings 
> that 
> > get you what you want with readily available cassettes. 
> > Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings 
> >   4224 
> > 11  99.3  56.7 
> > 12  91.0  52.0 
> > 13  84.0  48.0 
> > 14  78.0  44.6 
> > 15  72.8  41.6 
> > 16  68.2  39.0 
> > 17  64.2  36.7 
> > 19  57.5  32.8 
> > 22  49.6  28.4 
> > 25  43.7  25.0 
> > 28  39.0  22.3 
> > Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low 
> end. Or 
> > 11-32 with 43/26 rings 
> >   4326 
> > 11 101.6  61.5 
> > 12  93.2  56.3 
> > 13  86.0  52.0 
> > 14  79.9  48.3 
> > 15  74.5  45.1 
> > 17  65.8  39.8 
> > 19  58.8  35.6 
> > 22  50.8  30.7 
> > 25  44.7  27.0 
> > 28  39.9  24.1 
> > 32  34.9  21.1 
> > Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low. 
> > 
> > Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering. 
> > 
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm 
> >> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom 
> >> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new 
> >> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you 
> >> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front, 
> >> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a 
> >> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean 
> >> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra 
> >> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the 
> >> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality 
> >> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read 
> >> on. 
> >> 
> >> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm 
> >> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get 
> >> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run 
> >> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps 
> >> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the 
> >> cassette would seem to solve this. 
> >> 
> >> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just 
> >> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of 
> >> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever 
> >> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either 
> >> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's 
> >> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low 
> >> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide 
> >> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of 
> >> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big 
> >> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout 
> >> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the 
> >> back. 
> >> 
> >> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for 
> >> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in 
> >> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 - 
> >> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even 
> >> better, of course, nobody will ever make that. 
> >> 
> >> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of 
> >> this. 
> >> 
> >> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift 

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[John A. Bennett]

Thank you, Leah. Much appreciated! 

John and Darby at Rivelo in Sunny (really) Portland, Oregon

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:37:34 PM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> It wasn't the extra wobble in his ride, or the inexplicably crooked 
> handlebars, neither the SNAP that came from merely shifting gears, nor the 
> new creaking noises with every pedal stroke. Rather, it was his friend 
> getting a new Specialized mountain bike that whet my husband's appetite for 
> an upgraded bike. We all rode to church together on Sunday and his buddy 
> said, "Here, try mine! I'll ride yours." Said friend looked like a circus 
> bear wobbling around, gears popping on that  half-decade-oldTarget bike. No 
> longer able to deny its state of disrepair, my husband gave in, and after 
> church the three of us started talking bikes. 
>
> Immediately I thought of the Clem. Immediately he thought of Specialized. 
> The friend looked on with interest. 
>
> I measured his PBH, which he couldn't decide was a violation of some kind 
> or great fun. I waxed about all things steel. I droned on about long chain 
> stays. I decried fat frame tubes and lack of braze-ons. I flattered. I came 
> very close to nagging. How can you spend $600 on a bike when $900 more 
> would get you a magical, Elven-made steel treasure from Rivendell? I put 
> him on my bike and made him circle the block. "Boy, you're right; that does 
> ride nice. Can we get a bike that looks like the Specialized and rides like 
> the Rivendell?" *Eyeroll.* 
>
> There was but one green 52 Clem at Rivendell. "But I don't like green. I 
> just don't like green. It's a deal breaker. Did you see the color of the 
> Specialized? I like that color." Flat gray and lime green, you guys. 
> *Another eyeroll.* I had to tell Will we'd pass, which made me sad, but I 
> decided to give John a call at Rivelo. He had 2 blue Clems in my husband's 
> size left!
>
> Well, my husband's name is on a "French blue" 52 Clem out of Oregon's 
> Rivelo! I never thought this day would come. It almost didn't come - only 
> hours ago, he called and said, "I think me having this bike would just put 
> you over the moon. So I don't care if it's not exactly my style, you call 
> and get it." Listen, people, I don't need to be told twice. Within minutes 
> John and I were friends and exchanging info. I added a Pletscher rack, 
> which will delight my husband when he sees it will hold a basketball. It's 
> his new bike, but I feel like I received the gift somehow. He's a CEO who 
> wears suits, drives a luxury car, is a lover of all things new and modern, 
> and never has a spare moment; I'm a stay at home mom who wears skinny jeans 
> and boots, yearns for simpler times, and prefers to "bike there." He bikes 
> to be with the boys and me. And I'm wearing him down, you see. Just the 
> other day he submitted to a flannel shirt!
>
> And today he has a Rivendell. 
>
> Life is good.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas,
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem for my husband

[John Hawrylak]

Great story, glad Rivelo had one for you.

I understand the color, I don't like GREEN either, but I bought a 
1988 Emerald Green Panasonic Schwinn Voyaguer off e-bay, and despite the 
color, I am happy with it's functionality.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ  

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 2:37:42 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:

> So, my husband rides - get ready for this - a Target Schwinn, purchased 
> over 5 years ago that feels as though it is going to fall apart at any 
> moment. Wobbly. Poor shifting. Bent bars. Awful. He never spends money on 
> himself, but my excitement over my bike has rubbed off on him, and he's 
> willing to look at the Clem. Now, I see there's not but a few left, so I 
> better get serious fast. I measured his PBH and he is about 86.3 cm. Does 
> that put him on a 59 Clem? He's 6ft tall, about 180, if that matters at all.
>
> Hopeful in Nevada,
> Leah 
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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Lungimsam]

Switching to staches or Albas is easy. Doing drops is harder because you 
have to be careful to get the hoods lined up right on if you want them 
equal for hoods hand positioning.
Since weight bearing hand positioning is dictated solely by the handlebar 
on Albas and staches (ie- you don't ride with your hands and weight on the 
hoods or brake levers on Albas or staches) you don't have to be as neurotic 
about getting them right... if you even want them right. PLus you can just 
let the cables lay freely on Albas without having to pin them to the bars.

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Re: [RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[David Banzer]

Hi Patrick,
The non-Schwalbe qualifier is mainly because I'm already aware of those 
options and am curious about other manufacturers.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> David: I know this violates the "not Schwalbe" criterion, but I have to 
> put in a very good and loud word for the 622 X 50 Furious Fred. The tread 
> is not quite "micro" but it is less than knobby (I do think that the 
> "knoblets" help a bit on loose surfaces compared to, say, the tread on Big 
> Apples), and the tires just roll, roll, *roll* on pavement, even when 
> pumped only to ~20 lb (rider 170 lb). They don't* feel* fast, but they 
> *are* fast to gauge by the gearing and ease of maintaining cadence -- I 
> find myself pushing a 73" gear surprisingly often, where with the B Apples 
> I'd be in the 68 or even 64 -- and this on a bike that, overall, compared 
> to my others, feels sluggish on pavement.
>
> BTW, why "not Schwalbe"?
>
> Note that my own FFs are on 430 gram rims and that I run then sans tubes, 
> both of which may affect speed as described.
>
> Others have also loudly praised the way that the FFs roll on pavement.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David Banzer  > wrote:
>
>> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
>> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
>> something larger.
>> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, 
>> or micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my 
>> Clem for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
>> comfy.
>> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[Lungimsam]

I'd recommend Compass tires. They are very fine.

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[RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[Lungimsam]

I think she done it on purpose because its a fixie to get the wheel out for 
a flat change.

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[RBW] Re: Polished Sugino Crankset

[Lungimsam]

Looks like VO has plenty of shiny rings and cranks  and cranksets...  
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets.html

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[RBW] FS: B Eyc N Plus Dynamo Headlight

[David Banzer]

I had a plan to run dual Eyc headlights, but abandoned that idea as I'll 
supplement a single Eyc with the battery-powered Ixon Core (same beam as 
Eyc).
So have an extra to sell.
Looks like they can be had for a little over $50 shipped from European 
businesses, so I'll price this at $50 shipped and you won't have to wait 
for shipping and customs.
So...
B Eyc N Plus - new in packaging - $50 shipped
Paypal please. I can send an invoice, so I'll take care of fees.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[William R.]

Hi David and Patrick,

How about the Continental Speed King? It is a high performance, light 
weight, hard pack MTB tire like the Furious Fred. It comes in 622-55, so a 
little bigger than the FF, I'm looking at it as a potential tire for my up 
coming Joe Appaloosa. These tires are light and fast and perhaps a little 
vulnerable/not as long lasting as others? Don't really know, but their tech 
specs look good (fast!), anybody have experience with the Speed Kings?

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[David Banzer]

Agreed - but they don't make anything larger than 38mm in the size I need, 
which ends up being smaller than what I already have on my Clem.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 1:34:00 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:

> I'd recommend Compass tires. They are very fine.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Steve Palincsar]

Is saying "You are riding on the wrong side of the road!" shaming? Is 
telling somebody who is wandering all over the road "Hold your line!" or 
"HEADS UP!" shaming?
How about ringing your bell when somebody coming towards you on the bike 
trail wanders over into your lane?  Is that shaming too?


On 11/25/2015 10:54 AM, Doug Williams wrote:
Do you shame people who ride the wrong way against traffic? Or is that 
okay as long as they are wearing their helmet? Wearing a helmet is 
prudent. Again, I wear mine every time I ride. But it is the LEAST 
important safety measure that you can take behind (in order)  1. Bike 
Control,  2. Rule Compliance, 3. Lane Position, and 4. Hazard 
Avoidance. Each of these elements (1-4) have many details and 
procedures attached to them, and each of these details is much more 
important than wearing a helmet. It is MUCH safer to ride properly 
without a helmet than it is to ride with a helmet and violate 1-4 
above. You like data? YES, the data says that 1-4 above are much more 
important to safety than wearing a helmet. MUCH more important.


So who should be shamed? Someone who rides properly without a helmet? 
Or someone who wears a helmet and rides improperly? I would take off 
my helmet, have three beers, and ride properly before I would wear a 
helmet and ride against traffic. I would be much safer riding 
helmet-less but properly after 3 beers than I would be riding against 
traffic sober wearing a full face motorcycle helmet. Yet wearing a 
helmet seems to be the only measure of bicycle safety and 
responsibility for the helmet zealots. We need to take a broader view.




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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Doug Williams]

Will,

I think we are on the same page. I don't think we should be shaming 
bicyclists for anything. I was just reacting to the people who say we 
should shame people for not wearing a helmet. But if not wearing a helmet 
is a decision that results in an accident that is a "shared event" that 
effects your family...then surely riding the wrong way against traffic and 
having an accident is also such a "shared event". As a bicycle safety 
instructor, I am tired of people labeling cyclists as "good" or "bad" 
solely on the basis of helmet use. Riding the wrong way against traffic is 
just one example of bad (and quite common) behavior, but it is WAY more 
dangerous than not wearing a helmet. Yet you rarely hear the helmet zealots 
shame someone for riding the wrong way, even though that behavior endangers 
both the wrong way cyclist and all the lawful cyclists who are often forced 
into the traffic lane to go around a "bike salmon".

In the media, "Was he or she wearing a helmet?" is always the first 
question. We had a bike fatality here recently in which a truck (going over 
50 MPH) crossed the center line and hit a cyclist, killing her instantly. 
The newspaper reported that the bicyclist was not wearing a helmet. Like a 
helmet would have saved her? Ok...it turns out that the bicyclist was hit 
HEAD ON because she was riding against traffic. But the newspaper said 
nothing of that. I'm not saying that she couldn't have been hit by a truck 
while riding WITH traffic, but clearly riding correctly would have saved 
her in this instance (because the truck crossed the median). But, according 
to the newspaper, she was a bad cyclist not because she was riding the 
wrong way, but because she didn't have a helmet.

Doug

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>
> Geez Doug, I think this shaming business is getting a little too deep. 
>
> My suggestion, most simply put, is that one wears a helmet to protect 
> their family. It's not a personal decision, it's a communal decision. It's 
> not about shame. It's about risk evaluation. 
>
> I reached that conclusion via personal exposure to the vaguries of bike 
> riding. My wife had a serious bike wreck. I admit bias. But it's not 
> academic bias, or bias simply to argue x or y on bike groups, it's bias 
> that was informed by 7 cat-scans. 
>
> I don't rank riding habits.. so wearing a helment versis riding against 
> traffic, not having a blinky, or drinking beer is not meaningful to me. I 
> ride daily. My entire family rides daily. Our riding habits are highy 
> skewed to safe behaviors. We have lights. We all wear those big Riv 
> reflector triangles. Our pedals have reflectors. We wear helmets, etc...
>
> Whether you wear a helmet is obviously your choice. I'm not advocating 
> mandatory laws. I am simply making the case for recognizing that accidents 
> are SHARED EVENTS. If you screw up, you family bears the weight. Your 
> decision tree needs to include that contingency. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:54:47 AM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> Do you shame people who ride the wrong way against traffic? Or is that 
>> okay as long as they are wearing their helmet? Wearing a helmet is prudent. 
>> Again, I wear mine every time I ride. But it is the LEAST important safety 
>> measure that you can take behind (in order)  1. Bike Control,  2. Rule 
>> Compliance, 3. Lane Position, and 4. Hazard Avoidance. Each of these 
>> elements (1-4) have many details and procedures attached to them, and each 
>> of these details is much more important than wearing a helmet. It is MUCH 
>> safer to ride properly without a helmet than it is to ride with a helmet 
>> and violate 1-4 above. You like data? YES, the data says that 1-4 above are 
>> much more important to safety than wearing a helmet. MUCH more important.
>>
>> So who should be shamed? Someone who rides properly without a helmet? Or 
>> someone who wears a helmet and rides improperly? I would take off my 
>> helmet, have three beers, and ride properly before I would wear a helmet 
>> and ride against traffic. I would be much safer riding helmet-less but 
>> properly after 3 beers than I would be riding against traffic sober wearing 
>> a full face motorcycle helmet. Yet wearing a helmet seems to be the only 
>> measure of bicycle safety and responsibility for the helmet zealots. We 
>> need to take a broader view.
>>
>> Do you want to determine if an accident was the fault of a bicyclist so 
>> that you can properly shame him? If so, "Was he wearing a helmet?" should 
>> be the LAST question you ask, not the first.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>>>
>>> If data indicates that helmets mitigate head damage and if you choose to 
>>> ignore that data... whose lives have you compromised? 
>>>
>>> Yours? For sure. 
>>>
>>> Your wife's, your children... well... maybe the shame label is 
>>> appropriate. I'll accept that opinion. 

[RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[Doug Williams]

Ah! That would explain the painfully ugly fender line. Not that I'll 
forgive her for riding a fixie anyway. I guess I have to give her points 
for having both front and rear brakes on a fixie. But really, does she look 
like she changes her own flats? No saddlebag...tools must be in her 
backpack or stuffed in her fur scarf. Or is the guy on the motorcycle her 
support crew?

Doug

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 11:20:14 AM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I think she done it on purpose because its a fixie to get the wheel out 
> for a flat change.
>
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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Garth]

   Read on if you like . . . for a good dose of self-justification .  

http://www.anweald.co.uk/cyclehelmets.html

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[iamkeith]

Maxxis makes some pretty good size tires.

Torch 29x2.1 (53mm)
Grifter 29x2.5 (63mm)
Hookworm 29x2.5 (63mm)

http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/urban

The Grifter looks particularly good, for what you're describing.  I agree 
with your effort:  why not use the biggest tire you can fit?!  But I have 
to say that I'd still consider the Schwalbe Super Moto first.   While 
waiting for my large clem, that's the one I kept thinking would be nice. 
 For now though, I'm going to be using some 2.4  Maxxis Ardent, full 
 knobbies, just because I already have them.  FYI, they are known to be the 
largest non-plus-size 29er mtb tire - even bigger than any 2.5s - and they 
fit with TONS of room to spare.

The 
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
> something larger.
> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, or 
> micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my Clem 
> for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
> comfy.
> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, I'm a dork, was looking at the PG 1030 rather than the PG 1130.
The 1130 does have the 11-12-13-14-15 at the bottom.  Problem solved,
now to implement...

https://www.sram.com/sram/road/products/sram-pg-1130-cassette

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> Ted,
>
> I got pretty excited when I saw your post
>
> The 11-32 as you depict with 43/26 rings just about perfect replicates
> the 46/26 with my preferred spacing with close to 100 on the top end
> and around 21 on the low end.
>
> However, none of the SRAM cassettes I saw online include the 14 cog :(
>
> I just want an 11 speed casette that ends in 32 that has 1 tooth jumps
> in the highest 5 gears and I will adjust my big ring accordingly.  Is
> it really so hard?  *sniff*.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:21 PM, ted  wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> I think you might get the gears you want more easily by picking rings that
>> get you what you want with readily available cassettes.
>> Eg. sram 11sp 11-28 with 42/24 rings
>>   4224
>> 11  99.3  56.7
>> 12  91.0  52.0
>> 13  84.0  48.0
>> 14  78.0  44.6
>> 15  72.8  41.6
>> 16  68.2  39.0
>> 17  64.2  36.7
>> 19  57.5  32.8
>> 22  49.6  28.4
>> 25  43.7  25.0
>> 28  39.0  22.3
>> Tighter spacing than what you propose and only looses ~1" on the low end. Or
>> 11-32 with 43/26 rings
>>   4326
>> 11 101.6  61.5
>> 12  93.2  56.3
>> 13  86.0  52.0
>> 14  79.9  48.3
>> 15  74.5  45.1
>> 17  65.8  39.8
>> 19  58.8  35.6
>> 22  50.8  30.7
>> 25  44.7  27.0
>> 28  39.9  24.1
>> 32  34.9  21.1
>> Spacing similar to what you suggested and goes just as low.
>>
>> Just another way to approach the goal that might be worth considering.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> So I've got the rims lurking around my garage for a new wheelset.  I'm
>>> not super happy with the Soma Weymouth 650b rims that are on my custom
>>> currently, so, eventually I'm going to get around to building a new
>>> set.  One of the nice things about building a new wheelset is that you
>>> get to pick your hubs.  I will re-use my SON Deluxe from the front,
>>> but probably not the Deore from the back.  Being that I get to pick a
>>> new rear hub, well, I'm thinking I might like to go 11 speed.  I mean
>>> 11 is down to the 105 level now and will probably be at the Tiagra
>>> level sometime this year or next year.  So, it's getting down to the
>>> point that it's not really much more expensive than similar quality
>>> parts as in a 9 or 10 speed setup.  Why 11 in particular?  Well, read
>>> on.
>>>
>>> I'm really liking running a wide-low double on my Custom but I'm
>>> thinking that I would like to jam a couple of more gears in to get
>>> more ratios in the 13-18 mph range that I ride most often in.  I run
>>> 11-34 9 speed right now, with 44/28 in the front.  Some of the gaps
>>> between gears are just wider than I would like.  More gears in the
>>> cassette would seem to solve this.
>>>
>>> Of course, one might argue that, a better solution would be to just
>>> run a triple with a narrower cassette and you get all the benefits of
>>> more gears in the range that you ride in.  However, for whatever
>>> reason, triples on my custom have never really shifted well.  Either
>>> the granny, or the big ring, or both, overshift or undershift and it's
>>> just never quite right.  It seems much happier with the wide-low
>>> double, never gives me any trouble at all.  So I'd like to keep a wide
>>> low double, because this is the frame I want to keep riding most of
>>> the time.  Although I would like to go a bit wider between the big
>>> ring and the little ring, I really use it like a 1x9 with a bailout
>>> gear anyway.  So I was thinking maybe 46/26 up front and 12-32 in the
>>> back.
>>>
>>> And not just any 12-32.  I'm looking for
>>> 12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25-28-32.  This yields the following ratios in
>>> the big ring per Sheldon:  99.7 - 92.0 - 85.4 - 79.7 - 74.8 - 66.4 -
>>> 59.8 - 54.4 - 47.8 - 42.7 - 37.4.  13-32 or 13-34 might be even
>>> better, of course, nobody will ever make that.
>>>
>>> Another solution might just be to pedal harder and forget about any of
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Or, just switch my main bike to the Redwood, it seems to shift the
>>> triple just fine,and I currently have an 11-28 9 speed with a 46-36-24
>>> Rivendell issue Sugino triple.  But I don't have fenders on the
>>> Redwood and I kind of like it that way as a sunny day bike and with
>>> 700C Barlow Pass, it's a nice change of pace the way it is.  I could
>>> go 650B and fenders as on the Custom but it feels so natural and
>>> nimble the way it is so I sort of want to keep it that way.
>>>
>>> So back to the 11 on the custom.  Even Rivendell themselves built a
>>> 1x11 prototype recently, didn't they?
>>>
>>> well anyway just musing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> signature goes here
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[iamkeith]

Replying to myself, here.   I didn't read the part of your question, about 
50mm being ideal. ( I always assume everyone has the same bigger-is-better 
bent as me.)   In that case once again, I think you're going to have a hard 
time finding anything nicer than the Big Bens from Riv., but there are some 
slightly smaller Maxxis tires shown at that link, too.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 12:58:28 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Maxxis makes some pretty good size tires.
>
> Torch 29x2.1 (53mm)
> Grifter 29x2.5 (63mm)
> Hookworm 29x2.5 (63mm)
>
> http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/urban
>
> The Grifter looks particularly good, for what you're describing.  I agree 
> with your effort:  why not use the biggest tire you can fit?!  But I have 
> to say that I'd still consider the Schwalbe Super Moto first.   While 
> waiting for my large clem, that's the one I kept thinking would be nice. 
>  For now though, I'm going to be using some 2.4  Maxxis Ardent, full 
>  knobbies, just because I already have them.  FYI, they are known to be the 
> largest non-plus-size 29er mtb tire - even bigger than any 2.5s - and they 
> fit with TONS of room to spare.
>
> The 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
>> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
>> something larger.
>> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, 
>> or micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my 
>> Clem for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
>> comfy.
>> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Garth]

  This so called "minimzing risk" misses the mark completely !  As if 
"some" risk is better than some "other" amount . As long as one believes 
one is even capable of harm , one is forever vulnerable and all the "safe 
measures" in the world are not and will never be enough to save anyone from 
themself .  "Reducing risk" forever misses the mark and in the end 
increases the sense of powerlessness which in turn one goes about trying 
even harder to find, promote and enforce "security" methods of endless 
sorts.  Constant and never ending double talk and self contradiction.

  I know only One way to be "free" is to BE Absolutley , is within oneself, 
the Heart.  To find this silly , too simple , too hard, void of power, 
impractical or that love is some 60's Beatles nonsense know nothing of 
Love. That's not Love at all.  

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[RBW] Cheese Board but no Rivendell Jerseys?!

[Eric]

While a cheese board is a nice Xmas present, I'm still holding out for a 
nice sport wool Rivendell jersey.

Will 2016 be the year of the jersey? 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/cutting-cheese.htm

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[RBW] Re: Thank you!

[Bill Lindsay]

I am also thankful for this group.  It is in total a fantastic bunch. 
 There might be a little too much patronizing know-it-all-ism going on from 
time to time, some of which contributed by myself, but as one wise 
moderator put it: the signal to noise ratio is better here than most 
forums.  

I'm thankful for the times we live in.  This is a new golden age of 
bicycles.  Never has there been this much variety, this many ways to enjoy 
a bicycle.  Handwringers might lament how expensive some (or all) bicycles 
have gotten, but there has never been a time where there were this many 
choices.  

I'm thankful to be 46 years old and still healthy.  Even though I'm 
recovering from a mountain bike crash that has had me off the bike for a 
month, I'm grateful that I'm healing and look forward to a healthy amount 
of riding in 2016.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 4:45:41 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>
> I just wanted to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday to say thank 
> you for your insight, humor, opinions and pictures! All them help to 
> motivate me to get out on my bike(s) and to work on them. It also 
> encourages me to want to participate in the forum. You're a great group 
> who's support I'm grateful for. Take care and hopefully you'll be able to 
> enjoy a bike ride over the holiday weekend so that you can burn off some of 
> those excess calories!
>  
> Thanks again,
> JohnS
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/25/2015 01:46 PM, Doug Williams wrote:
As a bicycle safety instructor, I am tired of people labeling cyclists 
as "good" or "bad" solely on the basis of helmet use. Riding the wrong 
way against traffic is just one example of bad (and quite common) 
behavior, but it is WAY more dangerous than not wearing a helmet. Yet 
you rarely hear the helmet zealots shame someone for riding the wrong 
way, even though that behavior endangers both the wrong way cyclist 
and all the lawful cyclists who are often forced into the traffic lane 
to go around a "bike salmon".


Helmet zealots and anti-helmet zealots are the reason helmet discussions 
are banned on well-run lists.


Riding the wrong way against traffic is stupid, ignorant and dangerous, 
and it is the clearest possible sign that the person in question is no 
cyclist.




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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here you go Ron Mc.  
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation

How hard is it to use google? Sheeesh.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:46:03 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> Ron, 
>
> Really? There is a *subconscious* mental process called 'Risk 
> Compensation'. When I was involved in professional mountain bike racing, I 
> studied all the mental aspects that can affect an athletes performance and 
> this was one of them. I have talked to psychologists about it. I also 
> learned about it in college, studying to become a Paramedic. It is real, 
> not stupid. I accept your apology. Please do some real research. Arrogance 
> and ignorance is unbecoming.
>
> Clayton
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 10:03:25 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> just like the projection on this thread.  It's simply about being 
>> sensible v. not.  It's totally stupid to say wearing a helmet makes you 
>> want to go faster or wantonly.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[David Banzer]

The Grifters fit? That's good to know. I'll be using aluminum fenders 
eventually with proper clearances, so I want to make sure there's enough 
room. 
The Vee Rubber 12 I just noticed, a little smaller than what I'd like but 
looks nice and affordable.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Maxxis makes some pretty good size tires.
>
> Torch 29x2.1 (53mm)
> Grifter 29x2.5 (63mm)
> Hookworm 29x2.5 (63mm)
>
> http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/urban
>
> The Grifter looks particularly good, for what you're describing.  I agree 
> with your effort:  why not use the biggest tire you can fit?!  But I have 
> to say that I'd still consider the Schwalbe Super Moto first.   While 
> waiting for my large clem, that's the one I kept thinking would be nice. 
>  For now though, I'm going to be using some 2.4  Maxxis Ardent, full 
>  knobbies, just because I already have them.  FYI, they are known to be the 
> largest non-plus-size 29er mtb tire - even bigger than any 2.5s - and they 
> fit with TONS of room to spare.
>
> The 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as 
>> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
>> something larger.
>> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, 
>> or micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my 
>> Clem for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
>> comfy.
>> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[iamkeith]

The *Ardents* fit.  They're huge and knobby, though.  I'm guessing bigger 
than the Grifters.  Likely the same casing.  Could post a snapshot if 
needed.   My rims are somewhat narrower (24mm) than the ones on the 
complete bikes, which will make a slight difference - but probably not 
enough to make them not fit.   

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 2:29:47 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> The Grifters fit? That's good to know. I'll be using aluminum fenders 
> eventually with proper clearances, so I want to make sure there's enough 
> room. 
> The Vee Rubber 12 I just noticed, a little smaller than what I'd like but 
> looks nice and affordable.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Maxxis makes some pretty good size tires.
>>
>> Torch 29x2.1 (53mm)
>> Grifter 29x2.5 (63mm)
>> Hookworm 29x2.5 (63mm)
>>
>> http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/urban
>>
>> The Grifter looks particularly good, for what you're describing.  I agree 
>> with your effort:  why not use the biggest tire you can fit?!  But I have 
>> to say that I'd still consider the Schwalbe Super Moto first.   While 
>> waiting for my large clem, that's the one I kept thinking would be nice. 
>>  For now though, I'm going to be using some 2.4  Maxxis Ardent, full 
>>  knobbies, just because I already have them.  FYI, they are known to be the 
>> largest non-plus-size 29er mtb tire - even bigger than any 2.5s - and they 
>> fit with TONS of room to spare.
>>
>> The 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:36:57 AM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads 
>>> as I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for 
>>> something larger.
>>> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, 
>>> or micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my 
>>> Clem for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn 
>>> comfy.
>>> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[drew]

We were just talking about the rarely seen 56cm dtt canti sam in another 
thread. If there wasn't the hassle of selling my 56cm regular sam, I'd be all 
over this.
I'll go counterpoint on albatross bars with a sam. For me (85-6 pbh) albatross 
bars put me way too upright. All of my bikes have upright bars, but I had 100% 
of my weight on my butt with those+sam, even with a pretty long stem. Switched 
to map/ahearne bars and like the body position much better (don't like that 
there is only one real hand position). 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/25/2015 03:08 PM, Garth wrote:


  This so called "minimzing risk" misses the mark completely !  As if 
"some" risk is better than some "other" amount .


Of course a smaller risk is better than a greater risk.  If you wait for 
cars to pass before you walk across the road, you are reducing the risk 
of getting run over.  If you step out directly in front of one coming at 
you, you increase the risk to a certainty and you /will/ be run over.  
Which do you think is better?


As long as one believes one is even capable of harm , one is forever 
vulnerable


Even Superman is vulnerable to Kryptonite.  Do you think you are 
invulnerable?


and all the "safe measures" in the world are not and will never be 
enough to save anyone from themself .  "Reducing risk" forever misses 
the mark and in the end increases the sense of powerlessness which in 
turn one goes about trying even harder to find, promote and enforce 
"security" methods of endless sorts.  Constant and never ending double 
talk and self contradiction.


One of the more illuminating parts of Army Basic Training is when they 
have you low crawl across a course over which they are firing live 
machine gun rounds, aimed at about six foot height.  The "safe" measure 
is to get low, and it is quite effective.  The dumb move is to stand up 
and take one in the head.  You seem to think there is no difference, so 
I guess you'd be for standing up, because that way you get to keep your 
clothes clean, right?





  I know only One way to be "free" is to BE Absolutley , is within 
oneself, the Heart.  To find this silly , too simple , too hard, void 
of power, impractical or that love is some 60's Beatles nonsense know 
nothing of Love. That's not Love at all.

-



The only way to be free of risk is to be dead.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Steve Palincsar]

As I pointed out in my 'anecdote,' concerns about lack of control or 
existence of cars weren't the reason helmets were developed, and they 
weren't the reason for the adoption of helmets by /your/ local bike 
club, back in the day.


In fact, I'll tell you another anecdote.  I started wearing a hockey 
helmet in 1972, after my wife fainted on a bike ride, crashed and hit 
her head.  (I'll tell you that story another time.)  In the spring of 
1973, I went on my first bike rally, CoNYMA, held in a location near the 
CT/NY/MA border.   I was wearing a hockey helmet, and so was a fellow I 
met there, Irv Weisman, who was then the Technical Editor of the League 
of American Wheelmen Bulletin, LAW's monthly magazine.  At the start of 
the first ride, he and I took a lot of ribbing from attendees.  Halfway 
through the ride, a couple of guys crashed and one of them had his scalp 
peeled right from his head.  It was pretty gruesome.  For the entire 
second half of the ride, people kept riding up to us and asking where 
did we get those helmets.


I've been riding with bike clubs for over 40 years.  In that time, I've 
crashed a number of times.  Not one had anything to do with a car.  I've 
crashed because of black ice, sand on the road, a pothole, a fallen tree 
limb, an eroded exposed tree root, a crack between lanes on a concrete 
road, and more than once I've had inattentive riders crash into me when 
I stopped for a stop sign or traffic light.  I've been on rides where 
people have crashed on gravel, on an oil slick, on the base of a safety 
cone, on wet leaves or on railroad tracks, and have ridden off the 
roadway and crashed when they tried to ride back up on the edge and 
slipped off, and I crashed once in a similar situation myself.   I came 
within a half-second of crashing when an animal rode out in front of me, 
I've met people who hit a deer and crashed, and a friend of mine died 
when an animal ran in front of him as he was making a high speed descent.


I'm concerned with each and every one of those road hazard situations, 
and they -- and not fear of cars -- are the reason I wear a helmet.  And 
by the way, none of those situations provide a reason to wear a helmet 
while out walking.


I can't say much about why people won't ride, other than my sister -- 
who crashed on gravel when she was a child, and went through such a 
gruesome and painful process of gravel extraction and wound debriding 
she decided never to risk riding again.


On 11/25/2015 04:14 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Your anecdote is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the 
statement I made. I believe a. many more people would ride bikes if 
cars were more under control, and b. many of them would not be 
concerned about a helmet.


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:32:14 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:




On 11/24/2015 10:30 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Can someone tell me how being killed by a motor vehicle on a
bicycle is any different than being killed by a motor vehicle
while walking? If it can save you in a bike/car collision, it can
save you in a person/car collision. Leaving aside any "data" that
proves or disproves the safety value of helmets, I would hazard a
guess that the existence of cars is the major reason most
cyclists wear helmets.


It's not even the reason for the existence of helmets.

Back in 1972 I met the guy responsible for prodding Bell and MSR
into manufacturing bike helmets.  He was an engineer living in
Rochester NY.  He'd been introduced to cycling by a close friend
who was president of the local cycling club. The two of them were
riding a century when a dog ran out in front of his friend; the
two tangled and the cyclist went down, struck his head and died of
a brain injury.   He told us about his campaign to convince helmet
manufacturers to produce something light and cool enough that a
cyclist could wear it but that still would have kept his friend alive.

A couple of years later, when I was chairing the workshops
committee for GEAR 1974 in Poughkeepsie, he'd succeeded: MSR
introduced a bike helmet based on its rock climbing helmet, and he
did a workshop at that rally demonstrating the new helmet.  The
most striking part of it was when at the front of a classroom full
of people, he put on the MSR helmet and struck himself over the
head with an indian club, and then asked the group, "Who would
like to try that with your leather hairnet?"

A few of the members of our club, the Mid-Hudson Bicycle Club,
purchased the new MSR helmets.  Later that year, one of the
members, a gifted cyclist and agile athlete - an engineer at IBM -
crashed at night riding home from work when he rode over what he
thought was a shadow but turned out to be a downed tree limb.  His
helmet broke into many pieces, but all he got was a slight

[RBW] WTB Nitto Mark's Rack

[John Hawrylak]

Any one with one to sell.  I'm a willing buyer and you can have $$ for the 
Holidays.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[William deRosset]

Dear Mark,

Those are 32's in the frame (GB Cyprès are actual 32-622 tires whatever 
they're marked). 

A 32-622 ends up being about r = 344mm and a 48mm brake reach yields about 
exactly that, depending on the bridge/fork crown braze on dimensions. 

The Roads and "road standard" and "long-lows" were all built around 
short-reach brakes, and went to a 48mm brake reach spec to maximize 
clearance. Now, that 48mm had 1mm of so of float upward before the brake 
required modification, and Waterford reserved/reserves a 2mm placement 
tolerance for bridges, so if you got one that was on the short end of okay, 
then a 28 or a 29 might be the biggest thing you could stuff in there--and 
it would still pass QC. The "right" thing to do for 1 1/4" tires + fenders 
in the late 1990's would have been to go to cantilevers, which I think was 
available on request for the Long-Lows, but some folks hated/hate them

Once the BR-600 came back into production, the spec got changed to take 
advantage of that brake's increased (standard) reach. With them, even with 
a mid-slot spec, you can get a 32 under the bridges easily, and a 35 fits 
okay, depending on your braze-ons. 

We're in better shape for real-world tires now than twenty years ago, that 
is certain, thanks in part to Mr. Petersen's advocacy, for sporting-quality 
clincher tires in that size thanks to Mr. Heine's efforts, and for wide-ish 
tubulars, the myth and hoopla surrounding Paris-Roubaix.

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO



On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:17:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Well, I don't think it can be a stock Road Standard, at least not from the 
> catalog year posted, because those apparently had clearance for a 700x35, 
> whereas this frame does not go wider than 30. Unless one or the other fact 
> is incorrect. Or it changed year to year and this is a different year than 
> the catalog. 
>
> In terms of price, I think there was a discussion recently about a Wilbury 
> that was actually listed *over* the old price, and that was not, as this 
> one is, an almost 20-year old frame. Don't forget that in addition to 
> possible intrinsic value, and collectability/rareness, there is 
> inflation--a similar frame today goes for at least a grand more. Then there 
> is simple desirability: Try buying a Schwinn Paramount 
> 
>  
> for the listed catalog price. 
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 3:57:51 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> I think it is a 1996/1997 and the $1350 asking price is about the same as 
>> it was then  (1.2-1.35K). Nice as the frame is,I don't believe it's a 
>> custom and  $1350 might be a big ask... 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:56:31 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice looking bike. You can date it by the serial # on the bottom 
>>> bracket. The usual Waterford dating method is used.  Yours has no head tube 
>>> extension and appears to have a level TT, so an earlier date might be 
>>> right. Possibly repainted along the way, because it has later DT decals.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Your anecdote is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the statement I 
made. I believe a. many more people would ride bikes if cars were more 
under control, and b. many of them would not be concerned about a helmet.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:32:14 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/24/2015 10:30 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me how being killed by a motor vehicle on a bicycle is 
> any different than being killed by a motor vehicle while walking? If it can 
> save you in a bike/car collision, it can save you in a person/car 
> collision. Leaving aside any "data" that proves or disproves the safety 
> value of helmets, I would hazard a guess that the existence of cars is the 
> major reason most cyclists wear helmets.
>
>
> It's not even the reason for the existence of helmets.
>
> Back in 1972 I met the guy responsible for prodding Bell and MSR into 
> manufacturing bike helmets.  He was an engineer living in Rochester NY.  
> He'd been introduced to cycling by a close friend who was president of the 
> local cycling club.  The two of them were riding a century when a dog ran 
> out in front of his friend; the two tangled and the cyclist went down, 
> struck his head and died of a brain injury.   He told us about his campaign 
> to convince helmet manufacturers to produce something light and cool enough 
> that a cyclist could wear it but that still would have kept his friend 
> alive.
>
> A couple of years later, when I was chairing the workshops committee for 
> GEAR 1974 in Poughkeepsie, he'd succeeded: MSR introduced a bike helmet 
> based on its rock climbing helmet, and he did a workshop at that rally 
> demonstrating the new helmet.  The most striking part of it was when at the 
> front of a classroom full of people, he put on the MSR helmet and struck 
> himself over the head with an indian club, and then asked the group, "Who 
> would like to try that with your leather hairnet?"   
>
> A few of the members of our club, the Mid-Hudson Bicycle Club, purchased 
> the new MSR helmets.  Later that year, one of the members, a gifted cyclist 
> and agile athlete - an engineer at IBM - crashed at night riding home from 
> work when he rode over what he thought was a shadow but turned out to be a 
> downed tree limb.  His helmet broke into many pieces, but all he got was a 
> slight headache.  The doctors at the ER told him without a doubt he would 
> have been killed outright without the helmet.  The club organized a group 
> buy and by next spring everyone in the club was wearing a helmet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Will wrote:
>
> *If data indicates that helmets mitigate head damage and if you choose to 
> ignore that data... whose lives have you compromised? Yours? For sure.* 
>
> That is simply putting your values onto another person. Compared to not 
> existing for the last 13.82 billion years, and not existing till the end of 
> time, we're all here for a really, really really short visit, whether that 
> be 1 month or 100 years. To some degree, we all get to choose the risks we 
> are willing to live with (ha ha) during our little frolic. Skydiving. 
> Bathtub gin. Getting married. Pulling the tags off your mattress. Then 
> there is fate. And the government--obviously the sheer number of deaths 
> from automobile accidents before seatbelts was costing society a lot of 
> money. It still does--about 871 billion a year 
> 
>  
> as of 2010. Because now we have seatbelts--and phones, and movies, and 
> internet, and typing, in a car.  But then, we humans do weird stuff. Like 
> the war on terror. That cost trillions, and all it did was create more 
> terrorists. We're not very good at addressing root causes. We prefer 
> ineffective band-aids that usually not only add unnecessary complexity, but 
> also make things an order of magnitude worse. The idea that we must all run 
> around with helmets is like blaming the victim. Most of the people behind 
> these types of studies have some kind of agenda, and not always the one you 
> would think. 
>
> People ignore "data" all the time. For instance, there is plenty of data 
> available that cars are a factor in climate change, among numerous other 
> ills they cause, including sprawl, huge infrastructure costs, etc. etc. 
> etc. Using a 2-3,000 pound object to move around a single human being? Now 
> *that* is compromising all of us. Insisting everyone wear helmets, 
> thereby reducing the number of people who bicycle? Nah. What we should 
> really be doing is not designing "better" helmets. We should be designing 
> cars that can't maim people. Better, we should be encouraging people not to 
> use cars. What we should be doing is insisting those caught texting or 
> phoning and causing harm in a car go to jail. Every time. For a long time. 
> But we are not only good at ignoring data, we are champions 

[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Will, that's informative. I wonder if Jim has the date of the 
catalog page referenced in the original post. I suspect a claim of 35mm 
tire clearance would come after the bike was redesigned around the BR-600, 
and 32mm before, based on what you outline here.

Anyway, if the bike clears 32s with no issues, someone should buy it right 
away. Happy Thanksgiving.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:20:00 PM UTC-5, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> Those are 32's in the frame (GB Cyprès are actual 32-622 tires whatever 
> they're marked). 
>
> A 32-622 ends up being about r = 344mm and a 48mm brake reach yields about 
> exactly that, depending on the bridge/fork crown braze on dimensions. 
>
> The Roads and "road standard" and "long-lows" were all built around 
> short-reach brakes, and went to a 48mm brake reach spec to maximize 
> clearance. Now, that 48mm had 1mm of so of float upward before the brake 
> required modification, and Waterford reserved/reserves a 2mm placement 
> tolerance for bridges, so if you got one that was on the short end of okay, 
> then a 28 or a 29 might be the biggest thing you could stuff in there--and 
> it would still pass QC. The "right" thing to do for 1 1/4" tires + fenders 
> in the late 1990's would have been to go to cantilevers, which I think was 
> available on request for the Long-Lows, but some folks hated/hate them
>
> Once the BR-600 came back into production, the spec got changed to take 
> advantage of that brake's increased (standard) reach. With them, even with 
> a mid-slot spec, you can get a 32 under the bridges easily, and a 35 fits 
> okay, depending on your braze-ons. 
>
> We're in better shape for real-world tires now than twenty years ago, that 
> is certain, thanks in part to Mr. Petersen's advocacy, for sporting-quality 
> clincher tires in that size thanks to Mr. Heine's efforts, and for wide-ish 
> tubulars, the myth and hoopla surrounding Paris-Roubaix.
>
> Best,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 6:17:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Well, I don't think it can be a stock Road Standard, at least not from 
>> the catalog year posted, because those apparently had clearance for a 
>> 700x35, whereas this frame does not go wider than 30. Unless one or the 
>> other fact is incorrect. Or it changed year to year and this is a different 
>> year than the catalog. 
>>
>> In terms of price, I think there was a discussion recently about a 
>> Wilbury that was actually listed *over* the old price, and that was not, 
>> as this one is, an almost 20-year old frame. Don't forget that in addition 
>> to possible intrinsic value, and collectability/rareness, there is 
>> inflation--a similar frame today goes for at least a grand more. Then there 
>> is simple desirability: Try buying a Schwinn Paramount 
>> 
>>  
>> for the listed catalog price. 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 3:57:51 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is a 1996/1997 and the $1350 asking price is about the same 
>>> as it was then  (1.2-1.35K). Nice as the frame is,I don't believe it's a 
>>> custom and  $1350 might be a big ask... 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:56:31 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

 Nice looking bike. You can date it by the serial # on the bottom 
 bracket. The usual Waterford dating method is used.  Yours has no head 
 tube 
 extension and appears to have a level TT, so an earlier date might be 
 right. Possibly repainted along the way, because it has later DT decals.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] RUSA Appreciation

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's how bad Brownback has destroyed the budget...he had to sell naming 
rights to the rivers. 

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[RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ron, 

Really? There is a *subconscious* mental process called 'Risk 
Compensation'. When I was involved in professional mountain bike racing, I 
studied all the mental aspects that can affect an athletes performance and 
this was one of them. I have talked to psychologists about it. I also 
learned about it in college, studying to become a Paramedic. It is real, 
not stupid. I accept your apology. Please do some real research. Arrogance 
and ignorance is unbecoming.

Clayton


On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 10:03:25 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> just like the projection on this thread.  It's simply about being sensible 
> v. not.  It's totally stupid to say wearing a helmet makes you want to go 
> faster or wantonly.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[Patrick Moore]

I writ: They don't* feel* fast, but they *are* fast to gauge by the gearing
and ease of maintaining cadence -- I find myself pushing a 73" gear
surprisingly often, where with the B Apples I'd be in the 68 or even 64 --
and this on a bike that, overall, compared to my others, feels sluggish on
pavement.


I mint: The Fargo just feels slow; one reason I've ordered a new frame.
But, again judging by gear and cadence and conditions, the FFs roll very
well.

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Re: [RBW] Non-Schwalbe Tire Recommendations for Large Clem.

[Patrick Moore]

David: I know this violates the "not Schwalbe" criterion, but I have to put
in a very good and loud word for the 622 X 50 Furious Fred. The tread is
not quite "micro" but it is less than knobby (I do think that the
"knoblets" help a bit on loose surfaces compared to, say, the tread on Big
Apples), and the tires just roll, roll, *roll* on pavement, even when
pumped only to ~20 lb (rider 170 lb). They don't* feel* fast, but they
*are* fast
to gauge by the gearing and ease of maintaining cadence -- I find myself
pushing a 73" gear surprisingly often, where with the B Apples I'd be in
the 68 or even 64 -- and this on a bike that, overall, compared to my
others, feels sluggish on pavement.

BTW, why "not Schwalbe"?

Note that my own FFs are on 430 gram rims and that I run then sans tubes,
both of which may affect speed as described.

Others have also loudly praised the way that the FFs roll on pavement.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I got a Clem frameset, built it up, and used 42mm actual Resist Nomads as
> I had them already. They work fine, but obviously this bike was made for
> something larger.
> So, looking for recommendations for 700c/29er tires - semi-slick tread, or
> micro-tread, or something that works fine on roads. I'll be using my Clem
> for commuting mostly, and plan on using it this winter as it's so darn
> comfy.
> Something in the 50mm actual range would be nice.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Thank you!

[Wayne Naha]

I've learned a lot just by being here.  You guys are all great.  Thank you!

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:45:41 AM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>
> I just wanted to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday to say thank 
> you for your insight, humor, opinions and pictures! All them help to 
> motivate me to get out on my bike(s) and to work on them. It also 
> encourages me to want to participate in the forum. You're a great group 
> who's support I'm grateful for. Take care and hopefully you'll be able to 
> enjoy a bike ride over the holiday weekend so that you can burn off some of 
> those excess calories!
>  
> Thanks again,
> JohnS
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[Corwin]

That's my bike!

Was just about to post a picture. Thanks Mark.

Regards,



Corwin

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 11:00:58 AM UTC-7, ma...@rivbike.com 
wrote:
>
> How about something like this custom?
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[rw1911]

Wow.  A lot of unexpected, but lively and good discussion here, but now 
it's seeming to get a bit off-topic.

Back on topic...  to address a few points that I have received privately 
and on the list related to this particular frame, or complete bike if you 
choose:

Model: I'm 99% sure this is a '96/97 Road Standard, but there is 1% of me 
that wonders if it is a Custom because it doesn't 100% meet the specs I 
have been able to find.  Probably just a variance in manufacturing though.  
As far as I can tell the paint is original, showing great care with a some 
patina. Truly excellent for a nearly 20 year old frame.

Tire clearance:  I'm currently running Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 which IMHO 
are pretty large for a 700c *road* bike.  They are a true 30mm wide unlike 
many tires that measure much smaller than stated. (My 700x35 Marathon 
Racers are not even 30)  This is the maximum size on this frame due to 
vertical clearance.  There may be other, wider tires with a lower profile 
that may fit, but the dimensions of the current tires are the max.  Someone 
commented that 30's are small for the Riv crowd. Define Riv crowd... Grant 
has slowly moved from sporty versatile bikes to overbuilt all terrain 
vehicles and commuter bikes.

Why am I selling:  As stated in my original post, I own a Rambouillet.  
It's a great bike but I find it a bit dead feeling.  I acquired the Road 
Standard in hopes that it would be the same as my Ram but more lively.  
What I found is that its much more lively, a little too much so for 
preference due to my weight.  If I could split the difference between the 
Ram and the Road, I would be Goldilocks.

Price: A new Waterford US built Rodeo (the most similar current Riv 
offering) is 2300 plus a few moths wait.  Two similar sized Rambouillets 
(Toyo built in Japan, super high quality) have recently sold for ~1050 at 
auction.  I would consider this slightly more desirable than the Rams for 
being US built and Rivendell branded. That said, I am reasonably negotiable 
for a serious buyer.  One poster commented that they thought the price was 
out of line.  That's fine and their opinion, but poor etiquette. If you're 
honestly interested, PM or email me and we can discuss something that works 
for both of us.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Best,

Ron

   

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 8:46:53 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>
> For Sale: 61cm Waterford USA built Rivendell Road Standard, maybe a 
> custom, but I have not been able to validate either way so let's call it a 
> Road Standard. I believe from 1996/97.  Built with Reynolds 753 tubing with 
> a 531 fork.  The frameset can accommodate up to a 30mm Grand Bois Cypress 
> tire. (shown) 
>
> Wonderful condition with only minor marks.  Absolutely no dents or rust.  
> The photo shows a complete bike, but I am looking to sell as a frame and 
> fork with a period Shimano headset.  The price is $1350 plus shipping.
>
> Here is some information on the Road Standard from Cyclofiend:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_roadstandard.jpg
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>
> If a complete bike is desired, I can accommodate that with a very nice 
> Rivendell build.  Just let me know and we can work out some options and 
> price.  I'm not looking for any trades, but could *possibly* be enticed by 
> a Hunqapillar or Bombadil.  Please contact direct/off-list.
>
> Best,
>
> Ron
>
>

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[RBW] Taper on the RBW Sugino XD2 Crank

[Clayton.sf]

JIS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Rod Holland]

Michael, 

Good point about what helmets are designed to prevent. Last summer, during 
an otherwise pleasant off-road ride, I had a low speed crash 
that
 
resulted in the crown of my head squarely strike a steel rail. I got a 
little inconsequential cervical compression from that, and my trusty Giro 
helmet cracked audibly. I was able to ride away from that, and figured my 
helmet had died for my sins, and needed to be replaced. I reflexively 
bought another Giro, but also pulled the trigger on a POC Trabec Race MIPS 
helmet. The "MIPS" (Multi-dimensional Impact Protection System) designation 
refers to an an anti-concussion system in which a certain amount of 
rotational slip between the helmet liner and the helmet casing is designed 
in. Turns out that most concussions result from oblique head strikes, 
causing sudden torque on the brain in the skull (at least, if I've 
understood what I've read; this may explain why I didn't suffer a 
concussion from smacking the railroad track dead, er, head on). The MIPS 
design is supposed to mitigate that, and provide a measure of concussion 
prevention. How well this actually works is apparently a matter of dispute, 
and I hope never to verify it experimentally, but I do wear the POC MIPS 
helmet more often than the traditional Giro, especially in off-road or icy 
road situations. The Giro gets the nod for long road rides, or very hot 
days (it's lighter and cooler).

rod

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 8:38:50 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Bicycle helmets are specked to prevent open head injuries.  They are not 
> specked to prevent concussions.  The probability of getting an open head 
> injury in a slow speed fall from a bicycle is extremely small.  The 
> probability when hit and thrown from the bike is significant enough to 
> warrant helmet use, at a minimum whenever riding on a busy road or 
> expecting to do high speed descents.  The probability of having an open 
> head injury while riding on a bicycle path is so small as to be irrelevant. 
>  So I would question what the study under discussion defined as an 
> accident, all accidents or just those that involved another vehicle? ...
>

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[RBW] 56CM Sam Hillborne - Double Top Tube

[Belopolsky]

I need a size smaller, I think. Bought this locally, it works, but I'd 
rather get something that fits me better. I do believe I would be better 
with a 55cm Sam (really my PBH is 83 so I guess anywhere from a 51-54? )
Other Riv's I'd be 56-58 if I am doing my math right?

Anyways, this is in very nice shape. I am second owner. First did not ride 
it much, I haven't either (I personally have done maybe 25miles on it!)

Craigslist link, if 
allowed.. http://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/5234127445.html


I am asking $1700. Located in Ann Arbor, MI

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[RBW] Thank you!

[Tim Wood]

Happy American thanksgiving from a Canadian!  I don't normally "do" forums, 
mainly because of all the bashing from Internet no-it-alls who apparently live 
to belittle people's comments - do you even ride bros? - but this group is a 
wealth of knowledge and inspiration. So, thanks for keeping it real. 

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[RBW] Big Ol' Clem.

[Lungimsam]

Where can I get the rear hub like you have with 7-sp free hub?
I like 7speed cassettes but have to use a spacer on my modern 8,9,10 freehub.

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[RBW] Big Ol' Clem.

[Tim Wood]

Looks good my large Clem riding brother! Love mine too. Yours makes me want to 
swap out the boscos for some Albas.  However the more I ride the boscos the 
more I appreciate them. I just prefer the look of the albatross and quill stem. 
Happy riding!

Tim

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[RBW] Carlsbad Post-Turkey Ride?

[Joe Bartoe]

Hi Everyone,

I need some incentive to get out of the house on Friday morning. Anyone want to 
go for a ride from Synaptic Cycles World Headquarters in Carlsbad? Rollout at 
9am. Distance and pace to be democratically decided.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Joe

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Bruce Herbitter]

The earliest ones were not yet called "standard".  They are circa 1995. Old 
decal style, level TT and no HT extension. Shimano dropouts.  Later bikes have 
Technociclo dropouts, sloped TT, extended HT and later decals.   Tire size is 
always a function of available brakes. As reach improved, GP was able to design 
around bigger rubber.  I'm not alone in converting mine to 650B to get more air 
space in my tires.  My bike is from 1995. Also repainted, but my painter was 
able to source a NOS set of correct decals.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:17 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I don't think it can be a stock Road Standard, at least not from the 
> catalog year posted, because those apparently had clearance for a 700x35, 
> whereas this frame does not go wider than 30. Unless one or the other fact is 
> incorrect. Or it changed year to year and this is a different year than the 
> catalog. 
> 
> In terms of price, I think there was a discussion recently about a Wilbury 
> that was actually listed over the old price, and that was not, as this one 
> is, an almost 20-year old frame. Don't forget that in addition to possible 
> intrinsic value, and collectability/rareness, there is inflation--a similar 
> frame today goes for at least a grand more. Then there is simple 
> desirability: Try buying a Schwinn Paramount for the listed catalog price.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 3:57:51 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>> I think it is a 1996/1997 and the $1350 asking price is about the same as it 
>> was then  (1.2-1.35K). Nice as the frame is,I don't believe it's a custom 
>> and  $1350 might be a big ask... 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:56:31 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>>> Nice looking bike. You can date it by the serial # on the bottom bracket. 
>>> The usual Waterford dating method is used.  Yours has no head tube 
>>> extension and appears to have a level TT, so an earlier date might be 
>>> right. Possibly repainted along the way, because it has later DT decals.
> 
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[RBW] Re: centerpull recommendations for a sam.

[Lungimsam]

Maybe they can be had for cheap from the carbon shops' dusty bins since they 
probably think they are an antiquated technology.

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[RBW] Re: centerpull recommendations for a sam.

[Peter Adler]

Mafac Racers were OEM equipment on French bikes for years. If your area had 
a concentration of French bikes during the early 70s bike boom, there will 
be discarded Mafacs in every shop's junkpile, every bike kitchen, every 
scrapyard.

Midrange Racers are the most common Mafacs, by far. You might just barely 
be able to do a 700c>650b conversion with Racers, but a 27" conversion will 
require longer brakes.

A little item from Mafac's 1976 catalog 
:




Peter Adler
a past and current beneficiary of the Bay Area's 1970s tsunami of French 
cycle tech
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 9:04:24 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Where can one purchase Mafac center pulls? Are they long reach enough for 
> 650b?

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[RBW] VO 63mm Fluted Fenders

[Daniel Jackson]

anybody use these on their hunq? Do they fit between seatstays?

Thanks,
D. 

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[RBW] Re: centerpull recommendations for a sam.

[Johnny Alien]

If it isn't a Paul or Racer I wouldn't switch to center pull however there 
is a better side pull option than the Silver Tektro. Those VO Grand Cru 
long reach side pulls are the best out there IMO.

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[RBW] Thank you!

[JohnS]

I just wanted to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday to say thank 
you for your insight, humor, opinions and pictures! All them help to 
motivate me to get out on my bike(s) and to work on them. It also 
encourages me to want to participate in the forum. You're a great group 
who's support I'm grateful for. Take care and hopefully you'll be able to 
enjoy a bike ride over the holiday weekend so that you can burn off some of 
those excess calories!
 
Thanks again,
JohnS
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Will]

Nah... it's OK. It's getting cold out. We have snow and ice in the Midwest 
(I am in Wisconsin), so a bit of civilized debating isn't out of order. 

Hanging the bike on the hooks for a few months is tough. 

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> You are never going to hear, oops my bad, I was wearing my helmet and 
> gloves and shouldn't have been.  Helmet and gloves are the basic equipment 
> you need to ride a bike, and there is no downside to them.  
> Been witnessing this topic for years on several boards, but this is by far 
> the dumbest it has ever achieved - if you say it enough it becomes the 
> truth is the antithesis of intelligence.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Thank you!

[ascpgh]

Second that, JohnS. 

Happy Thanksgiving and subsequent post-turkey riding you and all.

Andy Cheatham
Pitttsburgh

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:45:41 AM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>
> I just wanted to take advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday to say thank 
> you for your insight, humor, opinions and pictures! All them help to 
> motivate me to get out on my bike(s) and to work on them. It also 
> encourages me to want to participate in the forum. You're a great group 
> who's support I'm grateful for. Take care and hopefully you'll be able to 
> enjoy a bike ride over the holiday weekend so that you can burn off some of 
> those excess calories!
>  
> Thanks again,
> JohnS
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/25/2015 07:50 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:



/Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes./

I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand 
or another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about 
the awkward construction, need coffee.)


Actually, I think this is way wrong.  My 1991 George Longstaff was built 
for cantilever brakes because in 1991 only cantilevers would clear a 
28mm tire.  There wasn't a centerpull or long reach sidepull on the 
market that would.


Also, when the Rambouillet was introduced in 2002, much was made of the 
fact that the then newly introduced Shimano long reach dual pivot 
sidepull made this frame possible -- and that brake on that frame will 
only accommodate a 28mm tire with fenders (and even then you have to 
play games with the cable tension to get the pads far enough apart to 
clear a Roly Poly 28mm tire).




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 8:52:24 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:700x35 
clearance in 1996 is likely different than 700x35 clearance today. It seems 
like all tires were overstated for width back then, whereas just some are 
today.*

I suspect the catalog above is slightly newer than the bicycle for sale. 
You are right, a lot of tires were mismarked and now things are more 
accurate. But I still doubt Rivendell was advertising frame clearance specs 
based on a sidewall claim of tire x or y. Also, copy reads "it's designed 
for modern sidepulls, yet it accommodates tires up to a 700 x 35." 

*Tim Gavin wrote: Tire clearance doesn't seem to be as standard as you 
think.*

This may be true, but I find it difficult to believe that the specs would 
be off by as much as 7mm. Again, I suspect the catalog refers to a 
different model year than this bicycle. I could be wrong though--I don't 
seem to be right as often as I think;^)


*Fully lugged wrote: Tire size is always a function of available brakes.*

I don't think there were many years in which a sidepull of one brand or 
another was not produced that could clear a 35mm tire. (Sorry about the 
awkward construction, need coffee.)

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 8:52:24 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> 700x35 clearance in 1996 is likely different than 700x35 clearance today. 
> It seems like all tires were overstated for width back then, whereas just 
> some are today.
>
> E
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Ron Mc]

You are never going to hear, oops my bad, I was wearing my helmet and 
gloves and shouldn't have been.  Helmet and gloves are the basic equipment 
you need to ride a bike, and there is no downside to them.  
Been witnessing this topic for years on several boards, but this is by far 
the dumbest it has ever achieved - if you say it enough it becomes the 
truth is the antithesis of intelligence.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Ron Mc]

if you ride in pedestrians and deer, you should add a bell.  If you ride in 
traffic you should have lights (the pedestrians like a solid headlight, too 
- they thank me all the time for my light and bell)

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> You are never going to hear, oops my bad, I was wearing my helmet and 
> gloves and shouldn't have been.  Helmet and gloves are the basic equipment 
> you need to ride a bike, and there is no downside to them.  
> Been witnessing this topic for years on several boards, but this is by far 
> the dumbest it has ever achieved - if you say it enough it becomes the 
> truth is the antithesis of intelligence.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Newest Rivendell poster child

[Garth]

  Fashionistas "just ride" too  . . . . as does anyone who rides 

   


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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Guys: Bicycle Helmets Reduce Injuries

[Ron Mc]

if you haven't fallen off your bike yet, you will - that is the event that 
makes you ride with trepidation.  

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:19:28 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> if you ride in pedestrians and deer, you should add a bell.  If you ride 
> in traffic you should have lights (the pedestrians like a solid headlight, 
> too - they thank me all the time for my light and bell)
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> You are never going to hear, oops my bad, I was wearing my helmet and 
>> gloves and shouldn't have been.  Helmet and gloves are the basic equipment 
>> you need to ride a bike, and there is no downside to them.  
>> Been witnessing this topic for years on several boards, but this is by 
>> far the dumbest it has ever achieved - if you say it enough it becomes the 
>> truth is the antithesis of intelligence.  
>>
>

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