Re: CS>Interesting Clay Bath/Silver Combination
At 01:28 PM 25/08/04, you wrote: .it appears even John Hopkins University, center for environmental health ( who in fact actually was involved in the first documented cure of argyria so severe it not only turned the individual blue -- face, arms, chest, abdomen-- but it effected his health ) shies away from claims of curing the incurable. if similar to the fuss about the (unseen) clay posting elsewhere, statements like this one could be easily misconstrued. It is most important - as I've tried to gently point out on many occasions in many places - an email sent to anyone, much less a public list is etched in cyberstone forever. It is public property. Those of us trying to defend sane healing methods have a constant fight over this amazing but understandable Medical Mafia lie: CS or EIS causes Argyria. There is not a single documented case that has been proved. The man mentioned so horribly graphically here was a worker in a processing plant who had never heard of CS. He was poisoned by massive exposure to silver by-products. It would be appreciated if this sort of data was made clear. I have already experienced the idiocy of this claim in my personal evangelising of CS, especially in conjunction with H202 and DMSO Extensive research into the curative properties of silver has been conducted for many years at the Upstate Medical Center, Syracuse University, Syracuse, N.Y. under the direction of Dr. Becker. The experiments concluded that silver works on a wide range of bacteria, without any known side-effects or damage to the cells of the body. Becker discovered that the silver was doing something more than just killing disease-causing organisms: It was also causing major growth stimulation of injured tissues. Dr. Becker concludes that the presence of the silver ion may help to regenerate tissue, eliminate old or cancerous cells, and any other diseased or abnormal tissue condition. It does. Cheers, Himagain-defender-of-the-new-faith -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Oh, and about security, just before I go..
Hi folks, Just in from the official security alert org: A real bad one! Product:Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 and prior Publisher: AusCERT Operating System: Windows Impact: Create Arbitrary Files Execute Arbitrary Code/Commands Access: Remote/Unauthenticated Ref:ESB-2003.0775 PROBLEM: A critical vulnerability in all current versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer allows a remote attacker to plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. VERSIONS: All current versions of Internet Explorer are vulnerable, up to and including Windows XP systems with Service Pack 2 installed. IMPACT: An attacker can plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. This then allows remote execution of arbitrary code. MITIGATION: ### There are currently no patches available to fix this vulnerability. AusCERT advises users and sites running Internet Explorer to evaluate their exposure to these vulnerabilities and to apply the following mitigation to reduce the risk of exploitation: o Disable Active Scripting and ActiveX in the "Internet" and "Local Machine" domains. o Use a different web browser. ### emphasis added by Himagain Goodnight folks and especially Mrs Magillicuddy, wherever you are -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS
>> >> I've never seen a reaction of ions with salt that amounted to much, if >> anything...maybe a slightly blue tinge in direct sunlight? >> Even adding both peroxide and salt to it doesn't make it go milky. > >Hold it under a bright light, and you should see a slight blue white tinge. It >should be comparable to adding several drops of milk to a glass of water. ## Did see a very slight blue tinge. Would have to compare that to adding salt to plain water. > >> >> >> No reaction with salt and peroxide mix. >> >> Mega reaction with salt, peroxide and dissolved silver oxide mix. >> Are you sure peroxide produces ions? ..or is it just that peroxide >> dissolves oxides into it where plain water doesn't. >> >> OK, another test. >> Batch run and evaporated to 6 oz at 86 uS, deep yellow brown, treated with >> 4 drops of peroxide to clear it...almost a month ago. Now colorless with >> extremely dense and fine textured TE, somewhat milky looking in direct >> light and tends to take on any color near it..especially bark brown making >> it look a bit black...looks clear when looking through it at a diffused light. >> This stuff is all over the place uS wise, Started at 86.6 uS before >> adding peroxide, the other day it was, what, 79 uS?..I posted it and forgot >> [lower, anyhow] and today its 111.2 uS. >> What the heck? >> >> Pull sample...Add a pinch of salt, stir to dissolve completely...no >> reaction. Before and after appear to be identical. >> > >That implies that all the silver is now silver particles. Is all the H2O2 gone? >If so, maybe the end point of the reversible reaction with silver favors the metal >as the peroxide level decreases to 0. ## There was a LOT of H2O2 Basic flaw in procedure is not measuring amounts of anything. But then , I was going for gross reactions, not nuances. > >Was it sitting in the light? If so then maybe after adding H2O2 you ended up with >a combination of silver particles and silver oxide, and then exposure to light >caused the silver oxide to photoexpose producing 100% silver metal. ## Now that's a funny thing. About an hour after I sent the post off, all but one container turned a dense bluish black including... the parent 86.6/111.2 uS batch that I had added nothing to. All I had done to that was pour some out into a beaker, dipped the PWT in and poured it back into the container. It's possible that traces of iron and calcium [and who knows what] were in the beaker and all the other containers, as water spots, from washing them. [I didn't "see" any water spots...but.] Since I as 'done', I didn't keep track of what container was what. It was all done near a window, but no direct sun. That batch had been stored in clear glass near a window, no direct sun, for almost a month. It had been exposed to direct sun early on, several times, for a few minutes though. I dumped peroxide into the parent batch..about 50/50.. to no avail. No change. Then I dumped it all into the flower bed. Ode > >Marshall > >> >> I don't have any currently colored CS to add salt to and very rarely wind >> up with any. Maybe I'll crank up the current, nix the stirrers and make >> some on purpose soon. >> >> Maybe strings of equations aren't including all the hidden factors, we >> don't really know what they all are...and they differ from person to person >> / generator to generator / process to process. >> >> Maybe the H2O2.com equation is correct [seems to me that it is] and we're >> watching something else entirely. >> >> That's about as far as the seat of my pants can figure. ["poot"] >> >> ode >> >> At 06:59 PM 8/24/2004 -0400, you wrote: >> >Re: CS>Adding peroxide to CS >> >From: Ode Coyote >> >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:56:25 >> >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72856.html >> > >> > > X-Sender: odecoyo...@mail.alltel.net (Unverified) >> > > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) >> > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:50:34 -0400 >> > > To: odecoy...@alltel.net >> > > From: odecoyote >> > > Subject: Re: H2O2.com - Email Us Form >> > >> > >>Reply-To: "Kristin Mills" >> > >>From: "Kristin Mills" >> > >>To: "Kenneth Steckenrider" >> > >>Subject: Re: H2O2.com - Email Us Form >> > >>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:54:14 -0400 >> > >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> > >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >> > >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >> > >> > >>Mr. Steckenrider, >> > >> > [...snip contents of letter to Ode] >> > >> > Hi Ken >> > >> > I also wrote h2o2.com a year ago and asked the same question. I see >> > they haven't changed:) >> > >> >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60792.html >> > >> > Could you do a little test to help settle the question of how H2O2 >> > reacts with silver ions? >> > >> > 1. Take several ounces of high-ppm ionic cs made with your >> > Silverpuppy. (I wouldn't try it with low ppm cs made with HVAC, >> > since Marshall's description
CS>New Zealand Government Responds to Health Select Committee- Tells Vitamin Consumers to Go to Hell
IAHF Webmaster: Breaking News, Whats New, What to Do, Trans Tasman Harmonization, Codex, Asia, New Zealand, All Countries IAHF List: No matter where you live in the world, please grasp that a New World Odor "Harm-onization" TEST is under way between Australia and New Zealand in the form of a huge tug of war over the issue of whether or not New Zealand may continue to regulate dietary supplements themselves, as foods, or if they are to yield sovereignty to an Australian run regulatory corporation which would be a law unto itself- not responsive to the will of people in either country- but solely to our would be pharmaceutical masters. Grasp that ASEAN (Association of SouthEast Asian Nations) http://www.aseansec.org/home.htm is an emerging totalitarian dictatorship similar to the European Union, and the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and that Australia is its "Engine." Grasp that the New World Odor intends to use whatever they learn through trying to force harm-onization upon New Zealand in a similar effort to force harm-onization on the USA via the Free Trade Area of the Americas. Grasp that last summer, Canada illegally harmonized its dietary supplement laws to Australia's and the Cartel plans to try to take the USA next via regional harmonization, Memorandums of Understanding, and CODEX. Take the time to visit http://www.stoptheftaa.org and acquaint yourself with this THREAT to our most cherished freedoms-- we must all work together against globalization and harmonization, or we'll find ourselves living on board a PRISON PLANET. I just received the email below from Sue Kedgely, a member of the New Zealand Parliament who is fighting on behalf of vitamin consumers who oppose harm-onization of New Zealand's liberal food based vitamin laws to Australian's mindlessly draconian regulatory system. Please take a moment to read Kedgely's message, and to visit the link below which shows the New Zealand ruling Labour Parties outrageously arrogant response to the Health Select Committee which recommended strongly against harmonization with Australia. If you live in New Zealand, it is imperative that you go to http://www.nzhealthtrust.co.nz to sign their form letter which you should personalize before emailing to every member of Parliement. LETTER FROM SUE KEDGELY, NEW ZEALAND PARLIAMENT TO IAHF Please find below the link to the Government's response to the Health Select Committee's report on the Proposal to establish a joint Therapeutic Goods agency with Australia. It is much as we expected. It is http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/Content/Parliamentary-Papers/A.5HealthCommRep%20on%20inquiry%20establish%20T-TasAgency%20to%20reg%20Therapautic%20Prods.pdf I believe it is scandalous that the Government is to completely ignore the findings of a Select Committee inquiry into how to regulate dietary supplements. The overwhelming majority of submitters, including from the dietary supplements industry, were totally opposed to the regulation of dietary supplements through a trans-Tasman agency, because of the higher compliance costs and loss of sovereignty that would inevitably result. The Health Minister has effectively given Australia control of New Zealand's $200 million dietary supplements industry. Her unilateral decision to regulate the industry through an agency based in Australia, staffed primarily by Australians, governed by an Australian-dominated board and set up under Australian law, makes a travesty of New Zealand sovereignty. The new agency would be an expanded version of an existing Australian agency. It will have far reaching powers, including the power of search and seizure, enforcement powers and the ability to make what are essentially policy decisions without recourse to the New Zealand parliament. The Australian-based Managing Director of the Agency will have extraordinary powers, including the authority to make delegated legislation in the form of Rules and Orders, which will have a direct effect in New Zealand but will not to be incorporated into domestic legislation. These unprecedented powers are not found anywhere in the New Zealand public service and are probably unconstitutional. I predict that the move will contravene the government's own commitment to reducing the compliance costs of small business by significantly increasing costs across the industry and inevitably forcing many small dietary supplements businesses to the wall. I trust that this has made the Green party's stance very clear. We will continue to strongly oppose this move and we will not make any deals with the government over this issue. Please inform me if you wish to go onto our database and receive further information on this and other Complementary Health issues. Kind regards Sue Kedgley For Health Freedom, John C. Hammell, President International Advocates for Health Freedom 556 Boundary Bay Road Point Roberts, WA 98281-8702 USA http://www.iahf.com j...@iahf.com 800-333-2553 N.America 360-
Re: CS>Bubbler
This is probably just a matter of oxygen oxidizing the silver ions as they dry out. Soak a white paper towel with CS and let it dry, you'll see. Big time brown. If you rinse the tube with distilled water after using it to remove the CS before it dries, it shouldn't turn brown. Ode At 04:55 PM 8/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I was wondering if there were any chemicals that bleed >into the CS from the plactic aquarium tube you would >use for a bubbler. I have noticed the tube turns >brown after awhile. Maybe I shouldn't use it and find >another way to stir the solution? > > >David > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Medical detectives
j rigby wrote: > Those of us trying to defend sane healing methods have a constant fight > over this amazing but understandable Medical Mafia lie: > CS or EIS causes Argyria. > There is not a single documented case that has been proved. There is a new show coming this fall to NBC. On the preview of what I think is their first show they have 9 or 10 people who all ate at the same restaurant who all turned blue. The preview indicates that this happened because of something in the salt at that restaurant. My guess is that it is silver chloride, or silver nitrate. I am afraid this is going to be another mainstream method the medical mafia is using to try and link CS and argyria. Hopefully I am wrong. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Sometimes parasites may be a good thing...
http://www.the-scientist.com/homepage.htm http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040819/02 Bacteria help DrosophilaFly lifespan is boosted by early exposure to bacteria, but curbed by presence late in life | By Melissa Phillips When Drosophila melanogaster are shielded from bacteria during their first week of adulthood, their lives are shortened by a third, says a study published in PNAS this week. Eliminating the same bacteria late in adulthood, however, increases the flies' longevity. The authors also show that genetic mutations associated with longevity can modulate the effects of bacteria on lifespan. "I wasn't surprised, but I was excited," Daniel Promislow of the University of Georgia said of the results. "I think this is just the beginning. A few years from now, we're going to look back and have a lot of really interesting data on the roles that parasites play" in organism lifespan, said Promislow, who was not involved in the study. Ted Brummel of Sam Houston State University in Texas and his former colleagues at CalTech raised Drosophila in axenic conditions by treating eggs with bleach and ethanol and then keeping the flies in a germ-free environment with sterilized food. Flies that live under these conditions suffer lifespans shortened by about 30%. In a parallel set of experiments, Drosophila with bacteria eliminated from their bodies by antibiotic treatment lived 35% shorter lives. To pin down a critical period for bacterial exposure, the researchers then raised flies in sterile conditions and exposed them to bacteria at various time points after metamorphosis. Conversely, they also raised flies in normal conditions and then transferred them to antibiotic-containing food after adult emergence. If flies were exposed to bacteria within the first 4 to 7 days of adulthood, they lived normal-length lives. If they were kept axenic for this first week, subsequent addition of bacteria made no difference-longevity was reduced by 30%. At metamorphosis, a pulse of the steroid hormone ecdysone initiates the shift from larval to adult structures, resulting in fat body transition, upregulation of immune genes, and gut remodeling. Most larval bacteria are destroyed during this process, according to Brummel. "The window at which the bacteria are important is actually the period in which the fly would re-expose itself to bacteria," Brummel told The Scientist. The critical bacterial exposure period also overlaps nicely with the transition from larval to adult fat, Brummel said, and the Drosophila fat body has been shown to regulate longevity through insulin-related signaling pathways. It makes sense that bacteria could feed into these pathways, Brummel said, but "at this point, it's just a correlation." Brummel's group found the opposite effect on longevity when bacteria were removed late in fly life. Flies fed antibiotic-containing food during the fourth week of adulthood lived about 10% longer than those that ate normal food. "What we think is the case there is simply that the animal's fitness has been reduced to a point where bacteria that are normally not a big threat to the animal become more dangerous," Brummel said. "These results are fantastic," said Margaret McFall-Ngai of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Because most animals evolved in microbe-rich seas, "the selection pressure by bacteria has been intense," McFall-Ngai said. "It's not surprising to me that the presence of environmental bacteria would be incorporated into the biological program of an animal." Brummel's team also looked at bacteria deprivation in longevity mutants. The Drosophila mutant EcR, which has a mutation in the ecdysone receptor gene, is long-lived as a heterozygote. Unlike normal flies, these mutants did not suffer reduced longevity with lifelong antibiotic treatment. Out of a series of other long-lived mutants, one called DJ817 showed different effects from either wildtype or EcR flies: They lived 30% longer than wildtype flies when bacteria were present, but were no different from wildtype in the absence of bacteria. The genetic basis of the DJ817 phenotype has not been fully characterized. "The idea of putting together parasites and aging in a genetic or evolutionary context is a pretty new one," said Promislow. "In the equation that puts together genes and longevity, it may turn out that parasites are a critical variable that we haven't considered until now." Links for this article T. Brummel et al., "Drosophila lifespan enhancement by exogenous bacteria," PNAS, 2004. http://www.pnas.org Daniel Promislow http://www.genetics.uga.edu/faculty/bioPromislow.html Benzer Laboratory http://benzerserver.caltech.edu/ P. Tzou et al., "How Drosophila combats microbial infection: a model to study innate immunity and host-pathogen interactions, Curr Opin Microbiol, 5:102-110, February 2002. [PubMed Abstract] [Publisher Full Text] D.S. Hwangbo et al., "Drosophila dFOXO controls lifespan and regulates insulin
Re: CS>Bubbler
Thanks Ken --- Ode Coyote wrote: > This is probably just a matter of oxygen oxidizing > the silver ions as > they dry out. > Soak a white paper towel with CS and let it dry, > you'll see. Big time > brown. > If you rinse the tube with distilled water after > using it to remove the CS > before it dries, it shouldn't turn brown. > > Ode > > At 04:55 PM 8/25/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >I was wondering if there were any chemicals that > bleed > >into the CS from the plactic aquarium tube you > would > >use for a bubbler. I have noticed the tube turns > >brown after awhile. Maybe I shouldn't use it and > find > >another way to stir the solution? > > > > > >David > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
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Re: CS>LED'SJust until I`m moved back to Utah...
Re: CS>CS and H2O2
Hi Marshall: On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old silverpuppy generator. I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after adding the H2O2. After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No "fall-out" was present in the glass container I used for the experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 in solution. One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that all off. I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>CS and H2O2 > Jason Eaton wrote: > > > Hi Marsall: > > > > I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with > > interest. > > > > There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the > > chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions. > > > > To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on > > the attributes of the silver product used. > > > > In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get > > a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7. > > > > Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in > > the water purification industry. > > > > His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous to even consider > > that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles. They use > > hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters. The hydrogen > > peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become > > insoluable ). > > > > I think he may be looking at elephants, and we are looking at gnats. Since > silver oxide only has a solubility of 13 pm, if you have any significant silver > content, most of it will fall out. But we typically work with 10 or less ppm, > so in that case we do not see fall out (although I certainly did when I tested > the H2O2 on metallic silver). And if there is virtually any chlorine in the > mix, most of that will end up becoming silver chloride and falling out as well. > If there is any developer in the mix, then the AgO will plate out as silver > particles and precipitate as well. Developer can be tannen, caffine, and loads > of other possibilities, including sunlight. > > > > > Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination, > > this obviously through me for a loop. > > > > An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2 > > added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant. A friend took > > an SEM ( I believe ) of the "before and after", and the resulting images > > strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates. The > > results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical > > staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller > > silver particles. > > > > As it eats away on the particles they will reduce in size, until at some point > they will be gone completely. > > > > > My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product > > is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not > > happen. Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the > > silver "in suspension"? > > I dropped a piece of silver wire into H2O2 and it bubbled, then the water turned > cloudy with AgO after a few hours. There was no colloidal part initially at all. > > > > > One thing I do know: > > > > If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content > > of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will > > stabilize in solution. I utilized peroxide testing strips to "follow" the > > reactions. > > Can you tell me a little more on this? > > > > > > > If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is > > very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the > > container. > > > > Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination, > > and adding it to "drinking water" can also result in the silver falling out > > of suspension within a few days. > > > > Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the > > silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections. > > > > I assisted one individual for a year. It took that long for the individual > > to save up the money to have the root teeth p
RE: CS>Oh, and about security, just before I go..
Excellent info. Thank you. I mostly use Mozilla or Firefox. MS sux. But occasionally, I use IE for updating other MS software. Gotta switch to Linux. JOH -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Oh, and about security, just before I go.. Hi folks, Just in from the official security alert org: A real bad one! Product:Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 and prior Publisher: AusCERT Operating System: Windows Impact: Create Arbitrary Files Execute Arbitrary Code/Commands Access: Remote/Unauthenticated Ref:ESB-2003.0775 PROBLEM: A critical vulnerability in all current versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer allows a remote attacker to plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. VERSIONS: All current versions of Internet Explorer are vulnerable, up to and including Windows XP systems with Service Pack 2 installed. IMPACT: An attacker can plant executable files anywhere on the user's filesystem. This then allows remote execution of arbitrary code. MITIGATION: ### There are currently no patches available to fix this vulnerability. AusCERT advises users and sites running Internet Explorer to evaluate their exposure to these vulnerabilities and to apply the following mitigation to reduce the risk of exploitation: o Disable Active Scripting and ActiveX in the "Internet" and "Local Machine" domains. o Use a different web browser. ### emphasis added by Himagain Goodnight folks and especially Mrs Magillicuddy, wherever you are -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>X-Ray
This is the first time I have heard the question asked. My completely unfounded belief is that it will have no effect whatsoever. I doubt there is any literature on it, but you can search. If the silver does become hot, it wil eventually be secreted. I avoid radiology unless it is absoloutly necessary. Some folks think that Breast CA is in-part caused by the "checkup" mammograms. JOH -Original Message- From: Faye Killian [mailto:fkill...@bayou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>X-Ray I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye
Re: CS>CS and H2O2
Re: CS>CS and H2O2 From: Jason Eaton Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:49:44 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72909.html > Hi Marshall: > On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made > with the old silverpuppy generator. > I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I > checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect > was present after adding the H2O2. > After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No > "fall-out" was present in the glass container I used for the > experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly > ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still > between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 > in solution. > One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to > throw that all off. > I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, > but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to > be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the > particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. > Best Regards, > Jason Hi Jason, Thank you for your excellent and detailed report. I have not calculated your concentration of H2O2, but a quick estimate is in the 50ppm ballpark. This is very close to the 40 ppm I use and seems to agree with the concentration in other user's posts. I also sometimes notice a haziness in the cs after adding the H2O2, but not always. Similarly, the salt test seems to have strange reaction on some occasions, and other times it gives a clear, normal dispersion with or without H2O2. The reactions you describe are difficult to model mathematically, but I suspect part of the problem may be trace contaminants in the dw, perhaps chlorine, or trace metals such as calcium, sodium, magnesium, phosphorous, etc. These may cause different reactions with the H2O2 and byproducts. Contamination is a serious problem with H2O2, and caused much grief for the Germans during WWII with their Me-263 rocket interceptor. More than one pilot died horribly when the H2O2 tank behind them leaked causing an explosion. Contamination, leaks and H2O2 explosions are suspected in the loss of the British submarine HMS Sidon and the Russian submarine Kursk: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/08/kursk/ I hasten to add these programs used highly-concentrated H2O2 - well above the 35% food grade or 3% pharmaceutical grade stuff we encounter. Some of the different reactions we see may also be due to the stabilizers used in different grades of H2O2. Each application needs a different stabilizer, so it may be difficult to compare results with 35% food grade vs the 3% Walmart stuff. It might be valuable to try to understand hydrogen peroxide from a chemistry viewpoint. Here is a very brief summary of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Normally, water is composed of one oxygen ion combined with two hydrogen ions. The two hydrogen ions push each other apart to form an angle of 104 degrees, which is what makes the density of water the highest at 4 degrees C, or slightly above the freezing point. This gift from the Gods keeps the oceans from filling with ice from the bottom up and becoming solid ice. Many elements hate to be alone, and strive to make a pair. They are called diatomic, and include hydrogen, oxygen, and many others. Notably, helium is monatomic and is quite happy to exist alone. The diatomic elements (hydrogen, oxygen, etc) take a large amount of energy to separate, and they won't stay separated very long. For example, monatomic oxygen can be formed in a plasma torch and has a useful lifetime of several milliseconds before it recombines. Another place you will find it is in the stratosphere, about 60 km above the surface of the Earth. But not many people go there. The significance of this is hydrogen peroxide is ordinary water with one atom of oxygen stuck on. When we release the extra oxygen, we release a great deal of energy. You can visualize this in ASCII as water looking like "HOH". This shows how the two hydrogen ions move to the opposite side of the oxygen ion. Using this method, hydrogen peroxide, H2O2 looks like "HOOH". (Some have suggested we try to add a carbon and make hooch, but I don't think that belongs here:) Now, when we add hydrogen peroxide to something, we may get surprising results. In some cases, there may be no reaction whatsoever. In other cases, there may be something that causes a reaction with the H2O2, and we can experience anything from lots of bubbles to a violent explosion that blows the container apart. The problems with trace conta
CS>X-Ray
I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye
Re: CS>Warning to experimenters - Explosive silver
Reminds me of the time when I used to microwave distilled water to speed up the reaction. (This was recommended by my supplier). I put it in a glass cup in the microwave that I just bought, but it was in too long. As I pulled it out, the glass exploded in my hands and I got second-degree burns. Thankfully, I learned from my mistake, and I used future batches of colloidal silver to help aid my recovery. (along with medical treatment) No scars, and the discoloration is nearly invisible now after a couple years. ~Nathan >I did not realize it the other day, but when I mixed ammonia >with the silver oxide, I produced a high explosive, fulminating silver >accoring to this. >Anyone repeating these experiments should pour the fulminate down >the >drain while wet, do not allow to dry! It is a contact high explosive. - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: CS>X-Ray
My mother, a salty tongued old devil, never had a mammogram until she was in her 70's. she refused to ever have another saying, "if there was nothing wrong with them before, there damn sure is afterward". Forget the radiation, she believed all the crushing could not be good. sol Jim Holmes wrote: Message I avoid radiology unless it is absoloutly necessary. Some folks think that Breast CA is in-part caused by the "checkup" mammograms. JOH -Original Message- From: Faye Killian [mailto:fkill...@bayou.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>X-Ray I know this has probably been discussed here before but I need to know. Does taking silver affect you in any way while having an x-ray? I have a mammogram coming up and was just concerned about it. Have been taking cs for over a year now. Faye -- "You can complain because roses have thorns or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." Ziggy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
