Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM

1998-08-03 Thread Reid Smith
>At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and
>effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having
>no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way
>this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for
>the subsequent tests on down from that level.We "know" it works, but the
>retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We
>need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to
>this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:).  Deb   

   Good idea, hey I have an old wild cat that keeps comming around. 
Humm I could be the only person on the block with a BLUE cat... :] 

   For those that are animal rights activists I'M ONLY KIDDING!!! 

Take Care 

Reid



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Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM

1998-07-31 Thread Debbie McDonald
Robert L. Wells wrote:

> Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver
> products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to
> know how a home-made brew stacks up.  I agree that we need
> to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of
> what we test.
At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and
effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having
no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way
this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for
the subsequent tests on down from that level.We "know" it works, but the
retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We
need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to
this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:).  Deb   
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MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM

1998-07-31 Thread Robert L. Wells
There were no updates on 7/30.
More funds have been pledged.  They are shown below.  First,
however, an editorial comment in response to bjs' concerns
(which I appreciate):

>There are those that want other people  to tell them what
>to do with their money, and there are those that would
>like to make that decision for themselves. We should
>error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax
cut for
>the already over exceeded goal. I guess this is unpopular
>with the higher ups around here. It is really starting to
turn
>me off to be honest. We as a group can do anything we
>want, and we will. Once they start controlling  the money,
>there will be none.  Let's keep it clean as we can.
>bjs

As the instigator of the MCT idea, and having inherited the
responsibility to track the pledges, my policy is the
following:
The pledges being listed as part of an MCT Fund are for the
purpose of testing home brewed colloidal silver (possibly
compared to a commercial brand) for either bacteriostatic
properties (limiting growth/reproduction of bacteria) or for
bactericidal properties (ability to kill bacteria).
Pledges can be made or withdrawn at any time until a
decision is made and money is sent.  Decisions will be made
by unanimous vote.  Anyone not voting or disenting, when the
time comes, will be considered to have withdrawn their
pledge.  Lab tests will not be done and checks will not be
cashed until the final committed amount has been received.
I will publicly disclose what funds have been received once
we get to that point.  I will respect anyone's desires to
remain anonymous, but will still disclose the amounts
accordingly.
Therefore, I concur with M. Devour's opinion that  funds for
different purposes be kept separate.  I don't want to be
involved in collecting or reallocating money for Jim's
efforts, mostly because it could be too complicated and
messy. I've put my money where my mouth is.  I think Jim's
work is valuable.  I think it deserves to be supported
financially.  I've sent $50 to Jim Einert and I've restated
my $50 pledge to the Microbial Challenge Test.  I recommit
myself to obtaining solid proposals for the MCT from one or
more labs.
Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver
products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to
know how a home-made brew stacks up.  I agree that we need
to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of
what we test.
Please, don't anyone feel forced or coerced to support any
efforts by members of this group in any particular
direction.  When the time comes, you'll do your real voting
with your checkbook, after using your brain and your heart.
Until then, all pledges are simply an indication of the
level of support you feel you can give, assuming you agree
with the direction most of us choose to go in.  Based on
responses to date, the support for a microbial test is
clear.
Before anyone sends a red cent, I'll give you enough
information to hang me high if I'm irresponsible with your
precious resources, and I promise to account publicly and
meticulously for every penny.  I will also report the
results publicly for everyone's benefit.

Bob Wells

The latest MCT pledge is now $635:

Bob Leel...@fbtc.net$20.00
Tom Young  tyo...@esslink.com   $20.00
Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net  $20.00
Paul Bembower  bembo...@fastrans.net$20.00
M. G. Devour   mdev...@mail.id.net  $20.00
Nick Ferraro   trans...@aol.com $50.00
Sandi  swoinow...@plix.com  $50.00
Michael Mahoneymmaho...@eoni.com$20.00
Bill VSbill...@cheerful.com $20.00
Jerry WineBrenner  win...@aol.com   $20.00
Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com  $20.00
D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net$10.00
Fidget fid...@warwick.net   $10.00
Robert Wells   robert.we...@ny.ubs.com  $50.00
George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org $20.00
W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net$10.00
Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net   $10.00
Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net  $20.00
Dameon likow...@earthlink.net   $20.00
Dean Woodward  woodw...@educelec.com$20.00
George george.bere...@nashville.com $20.00
George Martin  gmar...@usonet.ne.jp $50.00
Douglas McMurtrie  dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net$50.00
Jeff Lafavre   jeff_lafa...@ameritech.net   $20.00
Donna Earnestmariedo...@worldnet.att.net$10.00
Sharonstars...@worldaxes.com$15.00
Anonymous1
$20.00